>>135942762 But if it's as strong as chapter 40-ish it shouldn't even be that much of a bang. And once he explodes, he's pretty much done since he's slow as fuck. Is MT using him as a decoy or does he have another hidden power like Reiner?
>>135943190 What if he can squish his titan form a bit, becoming smaller but much more mobile? I think it's pretty much given he has some sort of bullshit up in his sleeve considering how much hacks Reiner and Annie had.
Reiner is died. Bert will eat body and become colossal armored titan. Eren try to fight and lose. Armin will use ultra-psychology. Levi will wound Monkey Titan. Bert will prioritize saving Sieg over his mission and then escape. Sieg will be angry at Bert for saving him. Bert will sweat a lot. Still nothing about the basement.
What would be your reaction if Reiner dies in the chapter when Bertholdt turns back to him after destroying everything. Reiner has an emotional flashback (his hometown, friends, family and some surprising romantic moments) and tells actually he loved Bertholdt in his last breath?
>>135949161 It might be it. He denied twice that he likes Annie in that way and people only thinks he likes Annie because he looks at her. Both Reiner and Armin only remembered the time when they graduated at picked where they would work, only one time. BA never even talked to each other. Isayama only use BA to put other things. No romance in snk.
>>135949409 I don't think so. Isayama clearly made him deny it out of embarrassment, otherwise he wouldn't have showed it at all. Reiner also said that he doesn't find Bert reliable and that proves he didn't think highly of him. That debunks him liking Bert.
>>135949631 Why would it share it with Reiner though? They are close friends and together since they are kids. When Reiner harshly criticised him in this chapter, he simply accepted that. I think Isayama only uses BA thing to write some other scenes.
>>135943588 "Colossal Armored Titan" would literally collapse under its own weight. Did you miss the part where the Colossal Titan already is so unstable that in order to stand and kick the wall, it has to brace itself with its hands?
Once or twice its fine, but it seems really weird he keeps denying it to Reiner. Bert is usually very passive and is quick to follow Reiner's advice/command. Or if Reiner is lapsing into his Soldier self, Bert tries to bring him back to reality.
Also considering how BRA acted during Marco's death its really weird how Reiner thinks Bert even has a chance with her when she's repulsed by them.
>>135949409 No, they remembered different times, neither of which was the graduation. We've never seen BA talk yet, but they have implied interaction where they would have. It's been shown in the manga and stated in spinoff material that they train together often and also dine together often. If Isayama does something there, which I think he will with how often this is touched on, then relevant interactions between them to flesh out whatever that relationship is will be shown through flashbacks like things usually are done.
So what do you guys think about Annie now? CR translation makes it sound like she and her dad are not really part of BR tribe. I think there is a high chance she is gonna defect in some way. Especially considering that Bert or Zeke freeing her from a crystal is almost unfeasible from a storytelling standpoint.
>>135950119 >The fact that Reiner seems to push the issue makes it even more suspect. He most probably wants to focus on Annie so if he dies then Bert won't be completely lost. Fuck this is sad.
>>135950122 They both remember the time when BR left since they picked to join SL while Annie was leaving for MP. Isayama also drew that scene for us to since in that chapter. There is no example of it, so pushed if you ask me.
>>135950119 >He most probably wants to focus on Annie so if he dies then Bert won't be completely lost Now this is fanfiction tier. They were in no danger when Reiner accused him of liking her the first time.
In that chapter or the one before, we just learnt that Reiner's sympathy for humans was due to disassociative episodes he kept having. He didn't realize it until Ymir pointed it out to him. They weren't in danger but Reiner was devestated to hear that he's been an unreliable leader this whole time and Bert was covering for him. Platonic or not, its possible Reiner pushes Annie to Bert to hide the guilt that he failed being a true warrior.
>>135950281 >They both remember the time when BR left since they picked to join SL while Annie was leaving for MP No, they don't. Just go back and look at each time and note the positions. Here's each of them:
Graduation - Reiner on the right, Bert on the left looking over his right shoulder.
Reiner's memory - Reiner on the left, Bert on the right looking over his right shoulder.
Armin's memory - Reiner on the left, Bert on the right looking over his left shoulder.
There is no reason to think they're the same. You're supposed to take it that it happens often just as it's stated
>>135953495 >mostly guilt-free Huh? They did it because a corpse that was sliced by a blade or suffered any other damage that clearly wasn't inflicted by a titan would've looked suspicious no matter what, and there was no way of hiding the body at that time.
>>135953949 MT, his titans, the scouting legion, squad levi, reiner and blort himself would instantly disintegrate into a cloud of tiny scorched particles and get carried away by the powerful shockwave. Doesn't sound like a good plan.
>>135954353 If even 1/10th of a single atom bomb explodes right next to you, you literally vanish from existence. How was Blort's blast 4.6 atom bombs? This is retarded, the guys hanging on the wall survived and I couldn't even notice any cracks on the wall.
>>135950119 Is Annie really repulsed bei BR? That makes her a bitch desu, she's just as bad as them. Does she hate herself as well? (remember some talk with Marlo about going with the flow but don't think it meant she hated herself. If she did why do the mission in the first place? For the greater good? If it's for the greater good, no reason to hate herself but rather think of herself and BR as selfless).
>>135955010 She's repulsed by Reiner's two-facedness an Bert's passiveness, possibly that she feels she's taking the brunt of it all herself because she's not seeking escapisms or hiding behind someone elses leadership
>>135955197 >repulsed by Reiner's two-facedness She's repulsed by the mentally ill? Wow.
> and Bert's passiveness Not like there had been much to do up until then.
What I still don't get is that they were children when they were sent in. How would somebody stick to something that was told you when you were 10 years old all throughout puberty and after living with your victims, even if they are "devil spawn"? Can't think of a scenario where anybody wouldn't go "fuck it, it's pretty comfy here" and abandon their mission unless they were confronted with the wall-people being evil over and over again instead of just seeing them as nice people.
>>135955197 > possibly that she feels she's taking the brunt of it all herself because she's not seeking escapisms
Back then she hadn't really done anything yet so impossible. RB were the ones who broke the walls. Also I think that was probably the first moment Reiner's split personality manifested.
Now, from the point in time where she was being crystallized, I don't see it either. Remember she was set to stay within the comfy walls while Bert and Reiner were in the SC because of Eren doing shitty outside wall missions.
I hope we'll get a strategy meeting at some point on how they decided which one of them would join the MP and why.
>>135955443 Reiner adopted the split personality to escape his guilt, thats cause enough.
And they were undoubtedly drilled over and over about their mission and what it was supposed to mean for them (and were probably handchosen based on qualities indicating they would carry out the mission), but naturally the conditioning wore off as they got more exposure to the Wall people, that explains the shitload of internal conflict.
>Cool guy overhears two idiots mouthing the master plan >he has to go, no way around it >One guy retreats into fantasy land to escape the pain >Another just bitches out in the corner and is backed by Mr Escape aritst >leaving the last one to be the judge and executioner >It all could've been avoided with a little more discretion
>>135955944 Nah you're trying to paint Annie like an angel now. She sympathizes with humans just like Bert did and carries out the job like Bert still does. The main difference is that she complains once in a while, while Bert follows the order.
>>135956204 Not really. Reiner wanted Annie to do it because he thought she was unworthy as a warrior. If Reiner decided Bert should do it, he would have done it.
You can say it's Reiner's fault for pushing Annie to do the work, but Bert didn't do something wrong there, he just carried on the order. Reiner is the leader after all and he's the shit one out of them for not understanding that shifters can feel compassion.
>>135956247 Not the Anniefag arguing for her here but I'd hate the passive Beta just as much as the guy forcing me to do the dirty work.
>>135956204 It was a "Dont you dare forget we're in this together" thing, since Reiner sensed she was waivering. It was cruel but not THAT much of a deal compared to the hundreds of people she went on to kill later.
Btw was Eren ever shown to been worried about all the civilians that were killed during their fight in the innermost district? I realize he was sort of in Berserker mode and might've not realized unlike Annie who fell onto those church people but did he ever reflect on that after?
>>135956407 I think it implies more that she views Reiner as the leader (and doesn't care about Bert), since Reiner had the power to "make her do it" more than it implies she even thought about Bert's personality in this situation.
>>135956434 >he was too pussy to do it himself Nice fanfic but Reiner killed a soldier lately with no problem. Reiner would have easily killed Marco with no regrets as a Warrior. His reaction would be the same when the titan would be eating Marco, but the warrior can kill just fine.
And why are we using the word "kill" here anyway? She merely took off his gear, which isn't too traumatizing of an action.
>>135956407 No it makes it look like she suggested he would do it because Marco overheard THEM, not her. Still Reiner wanted her to prove herself, he would have no problem to give Bert the order if Annie wasn't around, but he used her presence as an excuse.
The only thing I can conclude from this scene is that warrior Reiner is a piece of shit and Annie knows it, but it doesn't really tells us much about Bert. If anything, we know Bert is kind at heart from the rest of the chapter, but he's a puppet that follows orders despite that.
>>135956685 I still don't think it's that extreme. I'd have no much problem to leave a guy to die and maybe help with it indirectly than stab him directly. BA were similarly traumatized by the event, Annie by knowing she undid a belt, Bert by knowing he should have done it instead if Reiner wasn't a shit.
>>135956398 I don't think we were ever shown Eren dwelling on that. Maybe he hadn't noticed or didn't remember after getting out of his Titan and the others decided not to tell him because he already has enough of a guilt complex.
So what do you think will happen with Bertolt from now on?
He might succeed in saving Reiner and then both would stick around while Bert gets a more alpha vibe and Reiner recognizes his efforts, he might succeed in saving Reiner and die in the process, or he might fail at saving him.
What would happen in each scenario and which is the most likely?
>>135961143 I can't imagine a scenario where Reiner dies and Bert survives. I mean if he transforms inside Shiganshina, he'll have to escape in human form, and he can't go back to MT in human form since Levi is between them. But then again I can't imagine Reiner escaping either. MT will most likely win the battle, but Isayama said we would see the basement soon, which implies BRMT will lose. I'm so fucking confused.
>>135955010 Who wouldn't be repulsed by BR? One of them is a creepy retard who is always staring at her and the other is a dumbass who leaked their secret and then forced her to kill one of their friends in some twisted test of her loyalty.
>>135965173 I didn't mean he doesn't like her you retard, I mean he doesn't stare at her all the time. BRA shared an intense moment this chapter but he was more concerned about Reiner. Of course he has a crush on her.
>>135946045 Its a psychological test they use on children. Its not for autism. It was used to determine certain problem solving/evaluation benchmarks. Theres a point in development where children cannot comprehend that other humans have different information from them. Theres also a bunch of other stupid shit little kids do like thinking you really disappear during peek-a-boo and thinking tall glasses always have more volume.
Look. It's not going to work on a 30 year old who already learned the hard way that different people have their own subjective understanding of the world. It's a dumb piece of a dumb test used on kids to see if they are learning simple facts about the world that a kid their age should be aware of.
>>135966467 Not really. Accidentally hitting a guy with your car and then leaving him to bleed out to escape the court is easier than hitting him and then coming back to finish him to make sure he doesn't read your licence plate. Retarded example but you get the point.
Reiner being able to move his life force or whatever through his body is probably the stupidest power I've seen so far. Can't wait for Bert to make a titan hammer to smash people with or some other horse shit.
>>135971738 They'd be taken for their information and then killed at earliest convenience because they're dangerous and impossible to control on top of being traitors to humanity. Their enemy is rightly terrified of them and forming any semblance of trust at this point is impossible.
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