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So, to recap... Enuma Elish destroys worlds Excalibur is equal
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So, to recap...

Enuma Elish destroys worlds

Excalibur is equal to Enuma Elish

Solomon's Ars Almadel Salomonis is billions of times more powerful than Excalibur and Solomon himself transcends spacetime and has the power to destroy history itself

Solomon is one of seven grand servants, and being the grand caster is probably the weakest or second weakest

Together, the seven grand servants are strong enough to stand up to... Arcueid's sister's pet dog

Wait what?
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>Excalibur is equal to Enuma Elish

I don't know about that.
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>>>/fgog/
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>>135926329
>Excalibur is equal to Enuma Elish
Since when?
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>>135926329
Enuma Elish is like a step above Excalibur.
But Solomon is probably the strongest nuke wise since he's caster.
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>>135926329
>Excalibur is equal to Enuma Elish
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>>135926329
I thought it was seven counter guardians that are needed to control Primate Murder (which has a type advantage thanks to being conceptually empowered to kill any human), not Grand Servants?
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>>135926329
>Solomon is one of seven grand servants, and being the grand caster is probably the weakest or second weakest
Not if musasho mijamoto is the grand saber.
Or holmes the grand assasin
Houyi is probably grand archer.
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>>135926329
Excalibur is higher than Ea.
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>>135928020
Grand Saber is Arturia. It's all but confirmed.
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How does it compare to CCC?
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>>135928448
Nope.
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>>135928470
All we've gotten is that it's voiced by Kawasumi, lots of VAs voice multiple characters in tihs.

Solomon indicated that the grand servants are probably unique ones that could never be summoned as regular servants, because they're too powerful.
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How much damage can a billion Excalibur lasers do to the Earth?
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>>135929276
>that it's voiced by Kawasumi
Please don´t tell me musashi is not a saber clone.
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>>135929276
But really, what are the odds it will not be a version of Arturia from Avalon? I'd say pretty slim.
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>>135929216
Yes. In FSN, Ea is only slightly better in output, but Excalibur has a seal bullshit, when it was forged by Gaia as its finest weapon to deal with planetary threats.

Excalibur is indeed better than Ea.
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>>135929276
>Solomon indicated that the grand servants are probably unique ones that could never be summoned as regular servants, because they're too powerful.

And you can't summon Arturia unless she strikes a deal with Alaya to be summoned.

Takeuchi art. Kawasumi VA. Do you even think there's somebody more famous than King Arthur to be Grand Saber? Arturia's already the best Lancer and Rider in the game too gameplay wise, as a fucking 4*.
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>>135929276
>Solomon indicated that the grand servants are probably unique ones that could never be summoned as regular servants, because they're too powerful.
Yeah, like full power Arturia.
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>>135929862
>when it was forged by Gaia as its finest weapon to deal with planetary threats.
Atilla the Hun's sword is still stronger though because it was forged by Mars and she's Type: Mars
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>>135929324
Planetery explosion
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>>135929904
but shes not best lancer or rider, even in that game. Lancer and rider wise, shes having an okayish np (lancer) and a good np (rider) while her buffs and stats arent that strong, being a weaker version of her saber alter (saber). They cant compete with karna on aoe/mass damage, or scathach on single/boss mobs on lancers as well as drake as way better in atats, crits, star generation and has an equal to better np, while mary and anne are way better on crit amd single hit. Shes good, but not a best in these classes. Shes the strongest saber thozght, but only okita as a saberface, not arthur, who only is good
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Isn't Arthur with Avalon and her Dragon Core obviously going to be Grand Saber?
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>>135929862
>but Excalibur has a seal bullshit, when it was forged by Gaia as its finest weapon to deal with planetary threats
But I thought Gaia/planet hate humans.Why would she create/give such weapons to them?.Heck she even created primate murder and even called the Types to cleanse the planet of humans.
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>>135930552
>implying aliens will not attack Earth
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>>135930661
Humans are more of a threat to her than alien though...
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>>135926329
>Excalibur is equal to Enuma Elish
Where did you hear this bullshit.
Source or GTFO
>Together, the seven grand servants are strong enough to stand up to... Arcueid's sister's pet dog

Correction. Grand servants playing with the apostles would be like a chiuaua slightly entertaining a pitbull enough to keep it's attention.
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>>135929862
Gil wasn't using EA at 100% in FSN
Also,Excalibur can't do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eJM-ppLPTs
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>excalibur A++ NP
>enuma elish EX NP
You wot m8
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>>135930923
NP ranks are hardly relevant.
Ranks are only good indicators for other servant stats
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>Seriously thinking that Escalibur = EA.
Fuck off Seibafag.
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>>135926329
There's absolutely no mention of Primate Murder
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>>135931125
I mean, status screen did say that Ea damage is comparable to that of Excalibur. It higher, of course, but they are still on the same level. I'd argue that full Rho Aias could've equalize them.
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>>135926329
http://fategrandorder.wikia.com/wiki/Solomon
Shit stats. He can be speed blitzed
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>>135930447
Her NP as Lancer is the fucking Lance of Longinus that will DESTROY reality as we know it.
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>>135930329
Doubt it.
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>>135930433
Nah not even close. It's only an anti-humanity NP.
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>>135930552
Arturia's family is connected to Gaia and the land of Britain. Arturia herself is a dragon too, and maybe fae. Her sister turned into a full faery and her uncle became a dragon.

They lived in an age there was still balance between nature and humans, it only got to shit after Arturia's death. Her kingdom was an utopia where humans and magical beings lived sided by sided in a rather harmonious way.
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>>135930756
>Correction. Grand servants playing with the apostles would be like a chiuaua slightly entertaining a pitbull enough to keep it's attention

ORT and PM are stated by Nasu to be on a league of their own when compared to Servants. And he stated the fuyuki Grail Servants are based on the real system which is the one required to fight threats to humanity (i.e Primate Murder).
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>>135930756
Are you a secondary? Nasu stated Ea (in FSN) is Excalibur equal, if only with a "slightly" superior output.

This was before he wanked Excalibur into being Gaia's finest weapon that deals with threats against the planet in its final form.

In prototype, EXcalibur would BTFO Ea. It BTFO easily Enki which is far more powerful in its full powermode (it can effectively WIPED OUT ALL LIFE ON EARTH - once it charges of course).
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>>135931645
>He can be speed blitzed

Anon, he as Clairvoyance EX (he can see the future) and he can resurrect himself. Also he can drain all magic and make your Servant go bye bye.
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>>135926329
>Together, the seven grand servants are strong enough to stand up to... Arcueid's sister's pet dog
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>Wait what?
Tsukihime wankers everyone.
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>>135931973
Ssh, don't upset them. It's still sad that Nasu no longer gives a fuck about a dead franchise. ;_;
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>>135931164
Yeah but he said that 7 grand servants are needed to fight "deterring force of the planet" that has an "absolute power to kill mankind". Nasu also mention somthing like that about PM, he could just change CG to grand servants now. So not confirmed but very possible
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>>135926329
I still don't understand how Fate/Stay Night can generate so much shit side content.

What the hell is it this time? Another mediocre PSP game?
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>>135932337
>not knowing Grand Order
You weren't around for the UBW livewatches?
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>>135932337
Worse. "Free" mobile game with garbage gameplay
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>>135932179
A deterring force to the planet is humanity and PM is there to deal with it. CG are there to deal with him to protect humanity. Grand Servants' role is something more like that of Type's.
>>135932380
The Japanese don't advertise their mobile games as free, that's a Western thing. The only mobile thing on TM's part that's advertised as free is the Fate route for mobile. Which it is.
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>>135931871
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eJM-ppLPTs
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>>135926329
>This pasta again
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>>135930756
>Correction. Grand servants playing with the apostles would be like a chiuaua slightly entertaining a pitbull enough to keep it's attention.

>>Andersen: The summoning of Heroic Spirits is the summoning of the Counter Force, and the Counter Force is what ensures that mankind continues. They appear in seven vessels to strike down a single foe. Who is this foe you ask? Could it be more obvious? A disaster that threatens our world, humanity’s world! An avatar of the end that will destroy not the planet but humanity, destroy the civilization that we have built! Born from civilization but a devourer of civilization, it’s none other than an apotheosis of our own doing. And summoned to defeat it are those who stand at the pinnacle of all Heroic Spirits.

>Solomon: Yes, the seven Heroic Spirits are heavenly emissaries sent to destroy a certain evil. The seven greatest knights of that era who protect the foundations of humanity. The original seven at the pinnacle of heroic spirits. The invocation ritual of Heroic Spirit summoning was originally magic used in a decisive battle to save the world of humanity. The thing that depreciated it so it could be used at human convenience is your summoning system, the Holy Grail War.

>Mordred: You’re telling me we’re second fiddles to you!?

>Andersen: Don’t let him goad you, Mordred. It’s not a matter of rank. It’s the vessel, the authority that he’s given. He’s nothing more than a Heroic Spirit in a greater vessel than ours. If we’re weapons used against individuals, he’s a weapon used against the world. He’s at the peak of Heroic Spirits having the same attribute. In other words, he’s a Servant with a Grand vessel.

>Solomon: Yes, I must commend you for arriving at the truth! I am indeed the king of kings, the Caster of Caster! Thus I grant you the right to hail me as Grand Caster, Solomon the King of Magic!
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>>135932419
It was said the Grand Servants are required to fight an enemy that would threaten not the planet, but mankind. And what do you think is the greatest threat against mankind? Primate Murder, even ORT comes not second, but third.

Dark Six is even more threatening to mankind than ORT.
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>>135932692
>Q: About the power comparison between Arc and Servants, would the Arc being compared be the 30% one or the full one?
>A: That would be the 30% Arc. It takes 7 Counter Guardians to control the Primate Murder and the Servants of the Grail War are based on these.
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>>135932725
Angry Manjew says the Dog and the Spider are above him when it comes to the ability of killing humans.

ORT is the spider.
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>>135929276
>It's a Saber
>Voiced by Kawasumi
>She never voices actual clones
Who the fuck else do you think it would be?
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>>135932692
>Born from civilization but a devourer of civilization, it’s none other than an apotheosis of our own doing
>Yes, the seven Heroic Spirits are heavenly emissaries sent to destroy a certain evil.

Seems like this would refer to multi-Avenger. Of course, PM > Avenger by Avenger's own admission. So it could apply to PM as well.
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>>135932379
I played the game, UBW was the second route.
Why would I watch some anime adaptation of it?
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>>135932725
>>135932757
>>135932726
Nobody cares.
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>>135932692
>destroy the civilization that we have built! Born from civilization but a devourer of civilization
This sounds more like Attila.
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>>135932832
Sounds like Grand Avenger
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>>135932827
you cared enough to reply shitposter-kun :^)
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>>135926329
Ea=>the output of Excalibur, as in the beam.
The actual amount of energy and the destruction it causes far surpass it. Now assuming ARS can shoot as a focused beam, it should be able to overpower Ea's beam. But as with super Excalibur, we now know that living Gil's Ea > Servant Gil's Ea, so expect that to get a boost as well.
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>>135932935
>Solomon
>In terms of scale, it is hundreds of millions of times greater than King Arthur's holy sword. Quite simply, it is an anti-Humanity Noble Phantasm.

He's like F/SN Gil but even worse
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>type moon power levels

Remember how, excluding buffs from the grail, a servant can never be as strong as the hero it's based on?
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>>135932935
Ea is a city buster at best.

Gilfags posting their fanfiction as usual.
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>>135933006
His character is shit so far, yes.
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>>135933101
Ea is the tool used to render the old world into the current world. That's what it does. Defrags the world and reformats it.
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>>135933017
>Remember how, excluding buffs from the grail, a servant can never be as strong as the hero it's based on?
Nope, source?
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>>135933101

>>135932478
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>>135933017
Avenger is stronger than he was in life.
Still shit but it's something
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>>135933147
なお、この補正とは「英雄としての元の強さを再現出来る」と言う意味である。マスターからの魔力供給・令呪によるブースト・聖杯から与えられる知識とクラススキル、各自の伝承によって後天的に付加される固有スキルを除けば、知名度の補正によって英霊が元となった英雄より強くなる事はない。
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>>135933101
Saberfags truly are delusional.
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>>135933200
Yeah and that is still a city buster at best and your link only proves it because Gaia instantly reformed itself when Gil used Ea at full power in F/HA.

And what is funny is that the Moon Cell reformed even faster than Gaia.
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>>135933245
Says the underaged Gilfag who never played F/HA and just watches youtube videos of a game he never played himself.
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>>135932832
It's going to be Altera

1) Gods fear her.
2) Everyone wanks her.
3) They refuse to make a NP interlude even if she needs it.
4) She's shrouded in mystery.
5) Sakurai wrote Prototype Fragments and there is an account of a male Attila there. Who is she?

Solomon is obviously pretending to make MC and Mashu power up to stop Attila.
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>>135933271
Mooncell > Gaia.
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>>135933302
Attila is only a tool.
The true Mastermind is Kriemhild
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>>135933271
Notice how he doesn't rip the world in hollow?
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>>135933141
Yet there is no evidence normal Servant Gil can do this.
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>>135933101
>"The Sword That Cut the World Apart"
>Only city buster
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>>135932935
http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/6031-Fate-Grand-Order-Story-and-Lore?p=2212337&viewfull=1#post2212337
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>>135933377
That's exactly what he does in Zero, and exactly what he starts to do in strange fake before Enkidu's EE counters his EE.
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>>135933416
>Gilfags still think Ea is antiplanet

As expected of newfags.

Guess what Excalibur is the sword of promised victory but Saber doesn't win all her battles.

The fact you even take the nickname of a NP seriously just makes you even more of pathetic joke.
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Doesn't Arjuna have a weapon that can destroy the Universe? How does Nasu handle this in Fate?
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>>135933101
When Gil use Ea against Enkidu in F/SF, the World itself is sucked into the Void created by the sword
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>>135933345
Arc > Moon Cell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl8U-_IlLdw
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>>135933377
Which is why the original guy in the reply chain said that real life Gil(who we'll likely see in the Babylon stage) is probably stronger than Servant Gil.

Just like how Saber doesn't has have Avalon or her Dragon Core as a Servant and how if Solomon were summoned in a Grail War he would likely be limited by his master's mana sully regardless of who his master would be.
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>>135933200
>>135933245
I fucking hate Arturia and it's disturbing when people try to shove Takeuchi's shit taste to others. Also, stop spouting your head canon.
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>>135933424
I mentioned AAS having to be focused to beat him because we don't know how it functions. If it's raining down Excalibur-like beams like the Human Extinction Attack, then it's not going to overpower Enuma Elish because its destruction is spread over the entire world. If it's just a giant beam cannon with the power of hundreds of millions, then it overpowers it by far.
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>>135933432
>in Zero

Reality Marbles are explicitly weaker than the real world

>and exactly what he starts to do in strange fake

Post quotes of it destroying the entire world.
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>>135933465
More like Gil applies a temporary wallpaper and the world is never gone.

Primordial Earth is still there and modern Earth quickly comes back afterwards.
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>>135933456
>Guess what Excalibur is the sword of promised victory but Saber doesn't win all her battles.
Because that's a NP created by grail-kun, not the real one
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>>135933456
Except for it, you know, being the sword that performed genesis and all that.
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>>135933456
Wasnt EA made by the gods?
I doubt that is just a city buster.
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>>135933498
Yes but delusional Gilfags claim normal Servant Gil can destroy the world. And that Original Heroic Spirit Gil can do better.
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>>135933526
>More like Gil applies a temporary wallpaper and the world is never gone.
Doesn't Gil actually do the opposite? Where an RM would be what you describe but EE takes off the wallpaper that is the world before the world puts it back on again?
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>>135933548
>you know, being the sword that performed genesis and all that.

Gilfags actually believe this.
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>>135933519
A world is a world. Are you that guy who thinks Gaia is going to be magically resistant to Ea despite Ea being the very thing that created its current form?
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>>135933432
>>135933519
>Zero

In Zero he kills half of Rider's army, he doesn't destroy the RM. Also destroying a shitty RM, destroying all of Gaia's RM.

At best he can do what Shiki does when he kills Gaia.
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>>135933588
Yes, all the times it is mentioned to have done that must be pure hyperbole. Surly, it's just the original dildo or something rocking the world with the power of the original orgasm.
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>>135933498
>if Solomon were summoned in a Grail War
He doesn't exist in the seat of servants because he turned himself into a heroic spirit.

>mfw stupid fuckers who never played the games try to discuss them
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>>135933632
He's destroying the world, but then the RM naturally fades beforehand due to the soldiers dying.
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>>135933599
Thanks for proving your are the samefagging Gilfag who keeps posting his fanfiction in this thread.

A world isn't a planet in the Nasuverse. And Gaia resists Ea pretty fine. Ea doesn't cause permanent effects and Ea did not create Gaia.
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>>135933468
Near Side battle Holy grail program isn't Mooncell. It's only 0.2% of its power or something.
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>>135933663
Solomon is still a Heroic Spirit. He just summoned the "main body", which is now the Grand classes, himself. There's no reason he cannot be summoned as a normal Servant.
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>>135933632
>Shiki
>Killing Gaia

This is hilarious, shikifags are retarded.
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Kingprotea.

She's a Galaxy buster at least. That's why she doesn't appear outside of fanservice bullshit.
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>>135933734
He totally did that in the visual novel Tsukihime
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>>135933734
Is this bait?
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>>135933644
Funny because in the youtube videos you pathetically watched since you can't even install a VN, Gil says the mother earth goddess is even more ancient than his own mythology with an entirely different creation myth,

The fact you actually can't distinguish hyperbole in a setting that clashes different myths together just adds another point to the case that Gilfags are just newfag secondaries.
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>>135930866
>>135932478
>>135933200
Do you seriously think this is all it takes to prove your point
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>>135933549
In CCC it's said that Gilgamesh himself was created by Gaia's deterring power to bring humans under control and keep the age of gods alive.

「人間を諌め地上に繋ぎ止めるための楔」として星の抑止力によって生み出された存在であったことが明かされる。
しかし神でも人でもない独立した存在であった彼は、生まれながらに神ですら理解できないほど広く遠い視野を有しており、結果として抑止力の意思を無視、神を廃して人を憎み、人と星の未来を守護し見定める道を選んだ。
楔として生み出された筈が、神を旧時代のものと一蹴しとどめを刺す存在となってしまったのである。
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>>135933699
>It was absolute power — the power to destroy the World itself.
>It was enough to delude one into thinking that Gaia/Counter Force of the planet was opposing Gilgamesh’s power to destroy the World.

And since when is anyone arguing that Gil can planet bust?
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>>135933599
Dude, just reread the story again like right now. You're confuse your own headcanon with the actual story.
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>>135933715
Except that he outright says himself that he can't, retard.
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>>135933700
>It's only 0.2% of its power or something

Did you asspull this number? No, near side > far side. It was stated if BB were to leave the far side the Moon Cell would delete her in a second. The Moon Cell oversees all the near side, but not the far side.
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>>135933878
Except he doesn't.
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>>135933734
Not whole Gaia you moron but part of it.
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>>135933838
So?
Again,Wasnt EA made by the gods?
I doubt that is just a city buster.
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>>135933838
Gaia always loses.

She's the biggest jobber of the entire TM history. Look at Arc in her route, she loses to everyone. Pathetic.
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>>135933942
>I doubt that is just a city buster.
Flawless argument
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>>135933859
There is nothing saying that refers to the entire world. Do I need to mention all the times an anti-unit NP has failed to kill a person?
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>>135933897
>I didn't play the mobage, and I am a filthy EOP. Let me shit up the thread.
Fatefags everyone.
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>>135933897
yes he does you fucking retard
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>>135933975
>Called by this name, the Sword of Rupture was the primordial sword present at the creation of the world in the Age of Gods. The role the blade of the beginning accomplished - it was nothing short of that which had cut apart what had been shapeless into Heaven and Earth, what had given a definitive shape to that distinction.
Again, that's its entire point. Take world A, destroy it, and create world B.
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>>135933942
>The god, Ea, is believed to be the quasi-deification of the power of the planet which turned, smashed, and stabilized the surface of the earth when it was still covered in gas and seas of magma, during the primordial stage of the earth. Many gods began building nations after the the primordial earth was stabilized into a world where living creatures could live, but Ea is a god who performed the act of building of planet before that.
>Gilgamesh's sword, which is crowned with Ea's name, changes space itself by agitating space-time through the rotation of three layers of giant power fields. Its true power is not something to be used against a single living creature but against the world. Even among the many Noble Phantasms possessed by Servants, it is one considered to be at the top, the sword "which tore apart the world."

From CCC.
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>>135934007
>>135934023
Then post the line instead of trying to win your argument through name calling. Except you can't, so you won't.
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>>135933954
>Gaia
>She
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>>135934079
Read
>>135934007
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>>135934026
And yet you have no proof normal Gil can do this shit. The whole point of Servants is that they are limited by the container they are in.
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>>135934079
I am not name calling, but joining the argument with empty information/knowledge will just poison the well. It is the same as claiming that Akira Toriyama is the guy who made Fate series. Also you are over 18 years old already, why should anyone here spoonfeed me?
If you post the pic of your disability on here I will spoonfeed you immediately.
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Would Gil be a useless jobber (even more so) if he was summoned by Shirou, or is he mana-efficient enough for it not to really matter?
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>>135934092
Text says it can destroy the word. Text says Gil can make it stronger than its max output with his treasury.

You say he cannot do that. Guess who needs to prove their case?
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>>135934138
Gil is pretty ridiculously mana-efficient. Independent Action A.

A bigger concern is compatibility.
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>>135934137
>>135934090
Good job in proving your case. There is not one line in the translated segment that says "he is not a regular Heroic Spirit." He says several times that he is a Heroic Spirit, but the whole point is that he got the Ferrari while everyone else has the Yugo containers.
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>>135934171
>Text says it can destroy the word

The world is effectively destroyed in the area Ea targets. The area is limited, only 1000 targets. The burden of proof is on you to prove it can affect the entirety of the world.
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>>135934221
>trying to use maximum targets, a measurement that has absolutely no explanation at all, as a means of arguing
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>>135934290
Uh, anon, I think you're calling the wrong person a moron. The post you're replying to has nothing to do with that argument.
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>>135934290
That's just him saying he did it all himself, dumbass. When he's saying Heroic Spirit, he's talking about "summoning" himself as Grand Caster. That's what the Grand classes are, Heroic Spirits.
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>>135934220
>There is not one line in the translated segment
are you retarded

>that says "he is not a regular Heroic Spirit."
He doesn't say that you fucking retard, he says HE NEVER WENT TO THE SEAT AND CAN'T BE SUMMONED BECAUSE HE TURNED HIMSELF INTO A HEROIC SPIRIT AND THAT'S WHY HE'S A GRAND

fucking moron
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>>135934349
>heroic spirits in the grail war are copies of the heroes in the seat of servants

>solomon never went to the seat and can't be summoned

>Therefore he can be summoned! He summoned himself!
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>>135934394
He doesn't say he never went to the throne. He's responding to Mordred's statement that he was summoned by a human and is then using this time to wreck shit.
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>>135934171
Yes, Ea is one of the most powerful NP and it was so powerful that it can harm the world but it can not destroy it.

Nasu did not shove this 'anti-planet' class NP for nothing, you see?
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>>135933302
>Sakurai wrote Prototype Fragments and there is an account of a male Attila there. Who is she?
What? At what point and in what context is Attila referenced in Fragments?
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>>135934259
It's certainly better than your shitty headcanon and totally valid. It has the same range as Excalibur whether you like it or not.
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>>135934438
>He doesn't say he never went to the throne
Yes he does.
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>>135934478
And it clearly extends beyond that range because it then proceeds to suck the entire area into nothingness. Unless you think it only sucks in the area in the beamzone, in which case you have never looked at any image of IH.
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>>135934537
Your point is Gil as a servant can destroy the world via EA, correct?
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>>135934508
Solomon
Don't place me on the same level as you incompetent fools. After I died, I resurrected myself and sublimed into a Heroic Spirit by my own power.

>I resurrected myself
brought myself back into the world without needing to be summoned by a human

>sublimed into a Heroic Spirit by my own power.
into the Grand vessel, a living Heroic Spirit, also referred to as the "main body" in CM3 or somewhere else

That does not imply he went directly from dying --> Grand. By nature, a Heroic Spirit is someone on the Throne anyway, and the Grand classes are made for the top 7 Heroic Spirits, which he claims to be part of.
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>>135934438

>>135934090
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>>135934608
If he uses Enuma Elish and does not get countered by something equal or greater, the end result is that the world will be divided and reformed.
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>>135934638
>the Grand classes are made for the top 7 Heroic Spirits
but that's wrong, retard

what the fuck kind of shit translations are you using
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>>135934677
>equal or greater

Or, you know, he just doesn't go all out.
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>>135934685

Andersen
And. The ones summoned to defeat it are those who stand at the pinnacle of all Heroic Spirits.

Solomon
The seven greatest knights of that era, who protect humanity's foundations. The first seven who stand at the pinnacle of Heroic Spirits.
???
My name is Solomon. Know me, one of the seven standing at the summit of the Heroic Spirits.


What is wrong in all of these?
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>>135926329
I wanna know who Grand Lancer is at this point. I always just assumed it would be Odin but then I remembered you can't summon gods.
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>>135934774
not there dumbfuck
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>>135934774
Are you retarded? There's a long explanation of how the grand servants have nothing to do with the regular servants/heroic spirits and aren't bound by the same rules WHICH IS WHAT MAKES THEM GRAND SERVANTS because the grail war's summoning ritual is a shitty copy of the original, and the grand servants ARE ONLY AVAILABLE FOR THE ORIGINAL SUMMONING RITUAL.
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>>135934790
>I remembered you can't summon gods.
There are so many exceptions to that rule you might as well ignore it.
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>>135934677
I'm not sure of how stupidly op Ea would be when Gil was alive but as a servant he can not do that.

I think you will get a better picture of how Ea works if you read Hollow Ataraxia.
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>>135934861
Nowhere does it say that. It says the ritual uses the top seven HSs. Nowhere does it say those HSs are unique to that ritual. I think you're forgetting that Saber is going to be summoned as Grand Saber.
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>>135934923
>Nowhere does it say that
Yes it does in the fucking game, what kind of shit translations are you using?
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>>135934902
All he does is open a void in hollow. He doesn't do the world sucky thing that happens in Zero and strange fake.
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>>135934867
In that case, I'd probably still place my bets for Odin being the Grand Lancer.
I can't think of any other particularly special Lances in history aside from Gungnir which would really be "The Strongest Lance"
Odin just being powerful is a bonus
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Aren't Reality Marbles weaker than Gaia because Gaia is constantly trying to unmake them?
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>>135934677
If he intends it to do so, maybe.

Are you fuckers forgetting how CCC and its side materials established how Gil's been holding back with Enuma Elish all this time? Up till now he was using Enuma Elish on a power level he calls the "law of the earth" while in CCC he switches to the "law of the heavens".
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>>135934943
Then post your own translation. Because the only translations we have do not imply that in the least.
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>>135934956
Different writers. He did use Ea at full power in Hollow. Actually it's stated every time he utters Enuma Elish Ea is at full power.
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>>135935019
I played the fucking game, retard.

>>135934007
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>>135935004
>Are you fuckers forgetting how CCC and its side materials established how Gil's been holding back with Enuma Elish all this time?
He went all out in Stay Night. EA is trash tier, deal with it.
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>>135934956
Huh? it's not a world sucking in any version. Still, Yeah, it's stupidly op.
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>>135935054
Not him but if there are discrepancies I'll go with Nasu.
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>>135935063
Then you're probably just bad at reading Japanese. I don't know they're level of expertise, but neither of the two translations done by two people (who at least seem to have a high level of expertise) even come close to implying that.
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>>135935107
In Zero, it sucks in the entire RM including the sky as if it were actually a thing that can be broken, and it starts to do the same exact thing in strange fake before Enkidu counters him. Just chalk it up to powercreep.
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>>135935134
>who at least seem to have a high level of expertise
Yes I'm sure you can tell despite not understanding the language at all.

And yes I'm sure they have really high levels of expertise even though they can't even figure out basic fucking grammar
>Angel of Four Pillars
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>no one can agree on how Ea works because it's presented differently in every iteration, is always described in hyperbolic myth format, and is stated to be "full power" every time it's used
This man is a menace, and he needs to be stopped.
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>>135935175
Yeah, that also happened in Hollow. It oppened a hole in space time. That's nothing new.
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>>135935203
Why are you bringing up something neither of those two translated from what I can tell?

The other guy used "[Battle: vs Emissary's Four Pillars]"
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>>135935134
>my fan subbers understand japanese better than you stupid japs!

>>>/int/53374254
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>>135935276
How the fuck are we supposed to tell which retarded translations you're using when all you're posting is snippets that are also completely unrelated to what we're discussing, dumbfuck?
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>>135935250
In hollow, it just opens up a hole, but it doesn't start sucking in the entire dreamworld. In strange fake, the first thing it does is start sucking in everything in the same exact way as Zero. So either he can stabilize it or just chalk it up to different writers.
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>>135935326
Of two translations, one partial translation has been posted in this thread and the full scene translation has been linked in this thread. What other translation would I be using?
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>>135935134
>>135935019
>>135934923
>i don't understand japanese and never played the game but i read these fan translations which are 100% correct by the bestest japanese translators ever

fuck off
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So are we going to discuss how Fou-kun is actually Merlin and is going around groping all the girls or what?
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>>135935439
>I don't actually have an argument, but I'm going to pretend my likely subpar grasp of the language inherently makes me correct.
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>>135935502

>>135935289
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>>135935233

Seems more like the fandom tries to make things as they see fit because Nasu likes to use colorful metaphors rather than nail down specifics. It's a give and take relationship, since it enables us to wank, and for him to retool the mechanics as he sees fit.

For instance, people say Sakura's abilties are just shadow tendrils that drain, yet in Hollow it's clearly shown that she opens a void and takes things into a seperate dimension. Meaning all the powers the Shadow used are powers she can use, because they were her powers. But people can't seem to agree what her powers exactly are for some reason.
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>>135935518
I do trust people who have been translating this shit for years over a couple anon on a message board who could be in their first year of a beginners Japanese course for all I know.

It's not like I'm even demanding "well, you translate the entire scene!" Just post the two sentences that show for certain "Solomon never died, he became a living Heroic Spirit completely on his own despite that making no sense because Heroic Spirits are inherently beings that exist on the Throne and that the entire purpose of the world being able to summon them is that it's summoning the full heroes from the throne rather than a mere degraded copy like the HGW system."
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>>135935641
you find me a transcript then because I'm sure as fuck not booting up the game, going to the scene, and replaying it all over again just to copy the text to satisfy some dumbass who has no idea what he's talking about

also
>>135935518
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>>135935703
So then you're probably just misremembering because not once has that been implied anywhere.
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>>135935803
wrong
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>>135934790
Lugh.
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>you're wrong
>no, you are
>fuck you
>FUCK YOU
Real enlightening debate you got going here guys
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>>135935918
Then I guess you're just superior to all the other Japanese speaking users of everywhere because in all the discussion of Solomon, that's never been brought up.
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>>135935963
It's hard to debate untranslated shit
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>>135935233
He just retcons it whenever it gets stronger. Mordred used to be a guy, after all.
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>>135935989
Every single person on 2chan uses my interpretation.

>other Japanese speaking users
Population of the entire fucking planet's Japanese speakers: Me and your two shitty fansubbers, okay.
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I'll just post the scene where he explains it. I'm neither of the two people arguing.
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>>135936146
There's a scene with Modred saying nani but I'm not wasting a minute just to post that.
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>>135936146
>I may be a heroic spirit but could never be summoned by a human

Bam. Thank you.
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It honestly would not surprise me is one of the Grand Servants is Gilgamesh in a different role.

Grand Servants were meant to fight apostles.
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>>135936204
Then there's a scene with Roman tripping over his own words because he can't believe what he's hearing but I won't post it because he literally just repeats what Solomon said.
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>>135936265
>>135936146
Shitty translation says
>While I'm certainly a Heroic Spirit, no human summoned me.
THAT'S WRONG YOU FUCKING RETARDS

He says 人間に召喚される事はない
He CANNOT be summoned by humans
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>>135936146
>>135936204
>>135936307
Takeuchi should be legally prohibited from working as an artist.
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tl;dr

>>135934394
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>>135936333
What the hell, that game is filled with much, much worse designs and art and you complain about Takeuchi?
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I'm ready for Saber to be summoned as a Grand Servant to BTFO of this thread.

Gilgamesh will be a Grand Servant too.
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>>135933715
>There's no reason he cannot be summoned as a normal Servant.

>>135936146
>>135936265
>>I may be a heroic spirit but could never be summoned by a human
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Anyone else think Grand Order is fucking retarded?
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>>135936424
>>>I may be a heroic spirit but could never be summoned by a human

Could just mean he can't be summoned in his grand form aka Caster.

Need to see who the other 6 servants turn out to be.
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>>135936398
Yes, because Takeuchi's shit is what's currently being posted. I'd be happy to call other bad designs shit if you posted them instead.
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>>135936484
>I'd be happy to call other bad designs shit if you posted them instead.
Why? are your bored?
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>>135936464
no
>>135936307

He's an individual.
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>>135936441
I haven't played it, it sounds like the epitome of retarded cashgrab though
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>>135936519
Yes. And Takeuchi's designs are shit.
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>>135936522
Except we already know we're getting Grand Saber Artoria. If he can't be summoned, that's something unrelated to the state of being Grand.
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>>135936484

Lurk more then, fucking Takeuchi is an almighty god compared with the beyond embarrasing shit GO got.
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>>135936441
I'm genuinely impressed that there's an actual story. The cash grabbing and the story are completely separate too.
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>>135936277

Not all the apostles are Primate Murder tier though. From 4th place down most notable Heroic Spirits can fight them or outright beat them.
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>>135936584
That doesn't actually make his art good.
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>>135936416
> yfw Grand Saber has the power to summon all Saber clones

Do you have enough seibas in stock?
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>>135936582
>implying Grand Saber isn't going to be Anne Bonnie
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>>135936582
>already know we're getting Grand Saber Artoria
We don´t.
Retard.
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>>135936594
Yeah, it's actually piss easy to follow the story given how they throw items at you that basically let you cheat at battles, reviving all your characters at 100% meter, that you can use unlimited times (as long as you have them left).
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>>135936657
And?
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>>135936714
And?
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>>135936584

But we have been getting quite awesome designs too.

I'm just glad Takeuchi is doing other characters than Saber decently these days. Maybe he is kept satisfied by the sheer amount of new Saber stuff he can make up.
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>>135936657
No, but it's the lesser evil by far. If anything he should have made most if not all the GO designs, "should be legally prohibited from working" my ass.
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>>135936678
Grand Saber in the files listed same voice actress as Saber. Saber is hyped to have an Excalibur to save the world. Grands are supposed to save humanity. You'd have to go full retard denial mode to think it'll be anything other than Saber.
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>>135936582
>Except we already know we're getting Grand Saber Artoria
wrong
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>>135936780
>>135936678
>voice actress for Grand Saber is Ayako Kawasumi
>Saber's voice actress is Ayako

Hm, I wonder who Grand Saber could possibly be.
Miyamoto Musashi by any chance?
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>>135936764
I wish I could see Takeuchi's room, it must be the greatest seibah sanctuary ever.
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>>135936441
It was create for the sake of milking money and cash grab after all.
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>>135936634
>From 4th place down

Fucking ORT is #5 dude. No, all the top 5 DAA are ultimate-class monsters far beyond normal Servants.
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>>135937062
To be fair, ORT is only #5 because it killed the previous #5. It could actually be stronger.
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>>135936775
What if it was Saber Lili? A Saber that retained her Lili form throughout and became a queen better than regular Arturia.
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>>135936634
>From 4th place down most notable Heroic Spirits can fight them or outright beat them.

ORT is 5th and their rank =/= their power.
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>>135936146
>>135936204
>That is where you are mistaken o' Londinium knight. It is true that I am a heroic spirit but I have never been summoned by a human. Do not think for a moment that you incompetents are of equal stature to myself. After my death, I arose by my own power and sublimated myself as a heroic spirit.
Without context that's as close as I'm sure it can be. Don't usually check in on these threads. What's this about grand servants and what's Nasu doing with them?
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>>135937787
Missed the 3rd screen.

>>135936307
>A living person and at the same time a heroic spirit. That is what I am. Consequently, I have no master presiding over me.
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>>135937787
They are the original 7 servants chosen as the basis for the Holy Grail servant system.
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>>135937963
I got that much from the thread but what is their relevance to GO's plot?
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>>135937963
Do we know any of the Grand versions besides Solomon yet?
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>>135938027
As of now it's just Solomon showing off and using his status as a grand Servant to shit on everybody else.

Since there's a grand Ascension mechanic it's strongly suspected you'll be able to make your own Servants into Grand Servants later on.
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>>135938027
Solomon appears to be the big bad of the story. He's called the Grand Caster and they talk a bit about what Grand classes mean. That's pretty much the gist of how they're relevant so far.
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>>135937559
>nd their rank =/= their power

Rank has some correlation to power. After all, they are all top threats against humanity.
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>>135926329
>Enuma Elish destroys worlds
Enuma Elish destroy worlds in the sense of "worlds" being Reality Marbles. It's not actually a planetbuster.
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>>135938059
Not yet. Saber is in the game files though.
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>>135930552
>Gaia hates humans

>The planet loved all of its children

There is literally no reason to think that Gaia dislikes humans. It dislikes the idea that they outlive her.
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>>135938202
Their rank = their threat to humanity otherwise the jobber like Nrvnqsr would never rank#10 and a hack like Ortenrosse and Blackmoa would be one of the top 10.
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>>135938484
No you moron that isn't how it works
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>>135937787
>but I have never been summoned by a human
wrong, retard
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>>135926329
Enuma Elish reveals the world prior to Gaia's RM also known as the 'Truth'
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>>135938582
But it is? As an Anti-World NP the most Ea can do is damage Gaia's RM. It's strong either way, but doesn't have anywhere near the necessary output to actually destroy a planet.
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I just realized Ultimate Ones are comparable to vampires.
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>>135933942
Gods are shit-tier in the Nasuverse.
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>>135938867
No. If only because of their authority.
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>>135938867
In the Moon Cell, they're god tier.
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