>The new free-trade agreement called the Trans-Pacific Partnership has prompted a review of Japanese copyright laws to bring them more in line with international standards.
I'm pretty sure they've been able to do this for years already. Most publishers just look the other way because they see dojinshi for what they are: free advertising.
Not to say that the TPP and TTIP won't be disgusting. OP's post was just fear mongering in the wrong direction.
>Most publishers just look the other way because they see dojinshi for what they are: free advertising.
They can't under TPP. Thats the worst problem.
>OP's post was just fear mongering in the wrong direction.
I wish that was true.
TPP is much MUCH bigger than that, but yes, it gives IP holders the right to do pretty much anything they want.
For a not so related exemple, this dude from a phama cartel managed to sue canada over 1b obamas using early TPP bs.
The TPP is full of horrible shit including incentives for ISPs to "in good faith" outright block access to sites based on perceived copyright infringement. But yes, it also involves being able to sue someone without owning the IP rights.
What I meant was he was implying that the TPP was the thing that allowed this. Dojinshi have been a grey area for a long time, mostly because the rights holders just turn a blind eye.
Yes, this appears to be the culmination of his work in office. You can blame him (and our shitty congress for not overturning this and being bought and paid for old shits) for this.
>it also involves being able to sue someone without owning the IP rights.
Sorry I'm confused, do you mean A can sue B because B violated C's copyright while A and C are completely unrelated?
>What I meant was he was implying that the TPP was the thing that allowed this.
Its not about allowing. Its about enforcing, right now the IP owners can say "Don't do X" and then don't fucking bother to enforce it. But with TPP if they say "Don't do X" and then don't enforce it, then they loose the right to say "Don't do X". Eg. if they let doujins fly, they loose all IP rights used in those doujins.
Literally download Exhentai
If you take out all the western and 3DPD, I wonder just how much space is taken up on their drives?
Shit, If it means the master collection that is panda is going to go down, I wouldn't mind shelling out some cash right now to get a copy of their drives for future use.
Anime studios won't touch Doujin artists or cosplayers. It'll be the likes of Nintendo and Square Enix throwing around the C&D threat letters.
Fan sub groups should be fine too, until a series gets picked up. But don't studios usually look to pirates to gauge interest as to whether or not spend the money localizing a series? It's more a symbiotic relationship than a parasitic one
>I wouldn't have thought businesses would want
Depends on what kind of business. The ones pushing TPP have more than enough money to do their own advertisments and make their own merchandise. So anyone else doing it would be damaging.
Its the small ones who are hurt by TPP.
Businesses want complete control.
It's more than just about chinese cartoons and video games, it's also about big medicine and big agriculture and corporate-owned intellectual properties whose Trademark will last 1000 years.
Best bang for your buck on newegg for WD Blues are the 4TB at $32.50/TB ($130 each) So 20TB would cost you $650
That's not too terrible at all, how much would that be compressed? Bet you could knock off a good huck of the space if you deleted duplicates considering there quite a few on there.
quick and easy just for my dear anon
>japan is fighting china for oil on northen seas
>australia feels the economical heat from china
>they start pushing TPP big time, obama can't ignore anymore
>EU makes their own version of the bill
>everyone shits their pants because wikileaks does their thing and widespreed panic ensures across every country that isn't china russia or india.
Does /pol/ ever gets tired of being scared of everything and expecting the end of the world everyday? I don't understand how they can enjoy themselves when they seem afraid of any single thing.
FUCK FUCK FUUUUUUCK
When is this shit going to take effect? I need to stockpile my anime.
It's ~140k or so. If you take out duplicates you're down to around 80k. That's completely manageable.
Having fanart killed is not a good thing, the fuck are you going on about? All the pictures on boorus and rule34 in general could be removed.
Businesses just want more money. Research has shown that data mining and tailoring highly specific advertising to the individual, along with milking/promoting brands, is the best way to make money.
Why is Force Awakens the highest grossing movie of all time? It success is really all about the Star Wars brand that has been built up over 16 years (not 30, sixteen).
I'm sure most corporations would want Anonymous dead. We not only not buy what they want, we try to actively sabotage their efforts at making money for our own amusement.
How? You mean for the cringe worthy stuff?
That's fucking retarded. All the MLP shit being removed isn't worth removing fanart for everything other series.
Even non-sexual things and just randomly drawn pictures can be affected. How is this a good thing?
>Despite the United States wanting to push to a resolution within the TPP last year, this bracketed text shows there is still huge opposition and disagreement throughout the text. At this critical moment the negotiations have now stalled, and developing countries are giving greater resistance.
LITERALLY SAVED BY THE POOR AND HUNGRY
>The text has been classified and the public isn’t permitted to see it, but 28 trade advisory committees have been intimately involved in the negotiations. Of the 566 committee members, 480, or 85 percent, are senior corporate executives or representatives from industry lobbying groups. Many of the advisory committees are made up entirely of industry representatives.
The Internet used to be a place where people could think for themselves. Now even though it's been diluted with all the Facebook retards, the big corporations still see it as a major threat. That's why they are ACTIVELY astroturfing. Even governments do it to spread disinformation.
>no more watching anime on streaming websites
that's it I've lost my last reason to live. For many people anime is the only source of happiness in this life, and with that taken away and locked up, nothing will be left to keep them from ending it all.
The exact same thing. I don't know if Sweden is inside of this agreement, but that's where Nyaa is hosted.
And if they are, I'm sure Nyaa will just move to a country that isn't much like piratebay does.
Oh look at that, it's the 300th new law/bill/policy/whatever that's apparently going to kill anime as well as all freedom in general that will wind up doing absolutely nothing.
>No but this time really really for real really! I swear!
>how exactly would you download it all if you had the space?
Endless scrolling addon
Open all links addon
Copy all URLs addon
Use external program to download torrents or archive download all URLs
> On 5 October 2015 Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper expected "signatures on the finalized text and deal early in the new year, and ratification over the next two years." A version of the text of the treaty "Subject to Legal Review (...) for Accuracy, Clarity and Consistency" was made public on 5 November 2015, the same day President Obama notified Congress that he intends to sign it.
I'm assuming it won't go into action immediately. I'm also fairly certain it hasn't even been signed by Canada yet, so our only hope literally relies on the god damn canucks. It flew past both the House and Senate though, so there's no way the U.S. will overturn it.
Ok then /pol/, if you want to do your dance 1 more time after the last 299 times failed go ahead. I'll be busy not caring.
TPP is a yes or no only decision, and since it's a literally about a shitload of things other than IP/copyright/internet rights it's something that could get passed and fuck up a shitload
Because they're not for the common man.
>A rigged process leads to a rigged outcome. For evidence of that tilt, look at a key TPP provision: Investor-State Dispute Settlement where big companies get the right to challenge laws they don’t like in front of industry-friendly arbitration panels that sit outside of any court system. Those panels can force taxpayers to write huge checks to big corporations — with no appeals. Workers, environmentalists, and human rights advocates don’t get that special right.
I've never even been to /pol/ you shit. This isn't even /pol/ related at all, it's about knowing current events happening in the world around you that may or may not affect your hobbies. You're such a sheltered stupid cunt, holy fuck.
They know the law is too dangerous to be revealed to the public before it's signed into law .And it's already too late to whine about it then. It just shows how capitalists do not care about transparency and democracy.
Yeah no shit. Those countries make a fortune bootlegging all the shit that the first world copyright holders own. Look at who owns the copyrights and who has the most lawyer firms and you see who really benefits from TPP: it ain't the developing world.
You realize you're the greedy one here for wanting to illegally view media for free that you're otherwise supposed to pay for right.
Or are you so entitled you expect the entire world to labor for your neet ass for free.
>mfw they said I was crazy for hoarding 6TB worth of animu and manga
Who's laughing now fags.
They fight tooth and nail against illegal sport streams and they still haven't done jackshit, any time a stream goes down 2 more appear. And this is with sports, much more relevant and popular than anime.
So stop panicking, even if they tried as hard as they do for sports, the anime fanbase in the west has a much better infrastructure and organization than illegal sport streaming.
The only problem /a/ will have from TPP is fanart and that probably won't be a problem at all because they just have to turn a blind eye or find a loophole.
It was RELEASED to the public a while ago. Stop living under a rock.
I hope you have that shit backed up.
You're overly optimistic. TPB is going to get shut down any day now. Just look at how few options we have for transferring large (>10GB) files over the internet now.
You better find some old Pentium 3 computer off the grid, because with the shit in Windows 10 and PRISM, corporations will be able to find out you have bootlegged media.
Hell, it won't be long before drones with video cameras will spy on you through your windows from 10 miles away, and if you dare shoot one down, you go to prison.
/pol/ does not even give a fuck about the TPP. They are living in ignorance posting the same KEK KEK KEK NIGGER JEW shit over and over instead of looking at the most important things.
Proof: The day that the Senate was voting on TPP Fast Track, the only two boards that actually bothered to watch the livestream were /a/ and /pol/. And the /pol/ thread was fucking dead.
Yes, a thread about politics on the ANIME AND MANGA board managed to reach bump limit whereas the /pol/ thread was completely ignored so they could shitpost about x feminist celebrity and y jewish movie director instead. Fucking pathetic.
Though Americans are to blame for letting American corporations get so powerful. The right let them brainwash them during the red scare, and the left is more concerned with identity politics bullshit and fighting fake prejudice than regulating these fuckers.
Don't bother. These stupid conspiracy theory /pol/fags see panicking over nothing as a hobby. No matter how rationally you point out that sometimes is not a threat they wont care because "OMG IT'S HAPPENING WHY DID YOU LET THIS HAPPEN" reaction is more fun for them. That's why they've been doing it for years at literally every one of these bills that comes along despite none of them ever doing anything.
It's the exact same thing as the piracy movement. I wouldn't watch anime anyways if I couldn't get it easily. These people aren't losing money.
Do you know why lobbyists try and get these laws put into place? Because human society as it stands favours sociopaths who talk big and who are willing to do immoral things. They're people who desire power, and they're corrupt from the moment they touch it. These people are egotistical, narcissistic, and uneducated (because they just had to talk big to get where they were).
End result? They're fucking idiots, so they don't know that what they're doing won't help, and even if they did know, they're too proud and self-centered to care. They want control, not people having free will.
Or run linux. I really dislike linux because I'm a lazy fuck and getting programs to work on it sounds like a pain. Some stuff simply doesn't. I also hate how it looks.
But I may make the switch. Some day. Just have to get out of my comfort zone.
If you've updated Windows 7 at any point in the last year or so, you probably have the tracking shit from 10 on there as well.
You can remove them though.
>You're overly optimistic.
No, I just know how the internet works, I don't have the paranoia and fetish for the end of the world /pol/ has, and I deal with piracy for something that is much bigger than anime.
Intellectual property is worth money due to the time and effort that goes into designing it, not the electricity and bandwidth needed to send/duplicate it. It's probably hard for neets who have never spent any time or effort in their lives creating anything to understand.
I don't give a shit if you pirate (I do it all the time and have no intention of ever stopping) but don't be such an insecure little retard and try to make up bullshit to justify it.
Holy shit I hate this world so God damn much.
I just want to enjoy my fucking guns, and watch stupid fucking chinese cartoons. Why won't they just leave me the hell alone?
Why is the world trying so hard to take away everything I enjoy? Are they trying to drive me into a hobby involving cryptograms? Because that's where it's headed.
What you linked is nothing new.
Since the internets commercial inception people have always tried to control content.
Countries have outright banned certain sites, content, etc.
However the failure in this ideology is that the internet as a whole is not controllable.
We have and will always find a way to bypass standards set by other companies.
It's the same process that created the first hackers/crackers and the response technicians who than were forced to create more complicated integrity and security protocols.
The hack/crack side evolved and now we see the future of warfare. A never ending battle for information.
Granted nothing we are talking about is potentially life threatening as other data could be. It doesn't change the fact there will always be a way. Even if it's scanners using forums and blog sites such as the one we are currently on or Tumblr to mass distribute.
Eventually they will be forced to comply to industry standard, however because of the Big 3 (Confidentiality, Integrity, Accessibility) the user fan base will be hurt as you can not have accessibility or confidentiality with too much integrity. Vice versa too much integrity to us the user will limit Confidentiality and Accessibility as governments try to limit us the user.
We will than leave said sites and stop using them, effectively shutting them down as millions of people leave their domains due to lack of being able to openly express themselves.
We will create new domains where our belief system is shared and those will be the ones that are viewed by our community.
So the battle continues on and on.
Now excuse me while I fuck this cactus.
I can't even imagine an internet where anime/manga becomes hard to enjoy.
Imagine /a/ if bakabt, nyaa, and AB were gone. It'd just be a bunch of crunchyroll shitters and a small handful of people who know where to go otherwise.
Till those sites get taken down too.
Fundamentally all of us rely on ISPs to transfer messages across the world. If the ISPs decided say fuck you one day there's nothing you can do even if you have Tor, i2p, whatever.
What do you mean, I said in the previous post: sport piracy is alive and well, and that's sports, much bigger than anime.
Fucking hell you can go to reddit and there are subreddits dedicate to streaming. Your anime is going nowhere.
FYI he's anti-globalization. If anything he's almost a Hoover-era isolationist in terms of economic policy. Of course, that's also bad for the anime industry and for /a/ for entirely different reasons.
What hobbies will you be moving on to once this bill takes affect and anime is kill?
>i-it's ok nyaa will always be there!
I can't wait to the panic when it actually goes down for good. I'll be crying too but still.
Reading. I read already but it isn't my main hobby. I'll just have to make it my main hobby.
Well, I'll see you all on I2P!
As long as there's more than one provider, this isn't really a big threat, though. You can just switch, and they're fully aware of that.
The nice thing about even oligopolies is that even if they do make an agreement, someone is bound to betray in the name of making more money, and then the rest are forced to follow. It happens without fail.
Well i've downloaded terabytes of anime illegally over all these years and nothings happened. So I think I'll just continue doing so and not giving a fuck about you stupid chicken littles.
I'm not too familiar with sport streams but there are a bunch of fundamental differences.
I assume that you're talking about livestreaming sports, in that case of course it's harder to crack down on. But what this thread is discussing is the massive archival of anime that takes place on the big 3 anime trackers. Literally hundreds of TBs get transferred over them every day, which is many many times more than whatever sports stream you're talking about. Furthermore, it has the additional problem of being available 24/7/365 to a large number of people.
Anime streaming sites are out of the question as a means of archival. All of these sites compress the filesize of video files to lessen the enormous burden of streaming on the server.
This thread was never really about anime streaming in the first place.
Music will be the same. All the websites like what.cd will get taken down for good. Plus I like music but it's hardly an actual hobby. It's something you do while doing other things.
Well I split my time fairly evenly between /a/ and /k/
So I'll just dump more of my time/money into firearms. Then when they finally take away my guns I'll become a serial killer until I'm killed.
>not building your own network
>not using other peoples network
>not using other mediums in general
You're very short sighted Anon.
There is always a way, the only way that a an ISP can completely eliminate the signal is to turn the signal off completely at the hub.
As long there is a single wifi connection or port open, as long as a single customer exist.
There will be someone using the connection.
It's no different than the guy who goes to, I don't know Starbucks and uses their free wifi to upload a movie onto a torrenting application or inverted downloading.
The Big 3 never changes, if the ISP does not allow enough user accessibility to the customer no one will use their product.
If the ISP allows too much accessibility the government will come and shut it down.
The corporations will not allow that to happen, therefore the connection still exist somewhere and that means there will be people using our information medium to break the law.
It's been this way since man first created technology in any form.
From the first humans to write (and therefore forge documents) to now.
If any system was 100% criminal proof we would have no crime.
Don't get me wrong I don't want to sound like I'm blowing you off, I get there possibly could be less crime much like if you remove all guns or blades from a country a noticeable decrease will happen, but it does still exist.
Well the thing is anime and manga make peanuts compared to western movies, TV series and music so the distributors in west simply don't bother legally haunting people like us.
I'm not so keen in economy. From my understanding, the reason they are doing this because they want to take more money from people, right?
Because dystopian settings are often based on real world trends. Corporations won't stop until they're just as powerful and oppressive as any dictatorship with a greedy bastard sitting on the throne, and their entrenchment will make them just as difficult to remove as any government.
No one is trying to take away your guns, idiot. The only thing on that I've heard about is regulating the fucking things to make it so your average idiot doesn't get a hold of them and those who have their hands on them aren't stupid and don't do stupid things with them
There's just some people you can't win against.
He wants to impose tariffs. Buyfags would suffer the worst immediate effects since the cost of importing would increase and would also become harder to find imports as businesses stop bothering to sell to the US due to the shrinking market.
I doubt the loss of the US market would have a major impact on the production of anime, but it would be enough that we might see a slight downscaling in the number of shows per season.
>The only thing on that I've heard about is regulating the fucking things to make it so your average idiot doesn't get a hold of them and those who have their hands on them aren't stupid and don't do stupid things with them
Well they are in the process of weakening western nation states so that their grasp on us is as strong as over third world shit holes. Immigration and multiculti are perfect divide and conquer. All multicultural nations are highly divided and distrustful of their fellow citizens. Countries like that have weak governments controlled by multi-nationals.
Do you think that sport streams aren't available to a large number of people? we are not talking about using shady sites, we are talking about a subreddit, and the same 2-3 sites everytime.
What do you think they can do? they failed to kill tpb, why can they kill Nyaa? or AB? Bakabt is the only one with a chance of being killed and s tuff can be reuploaded to AB or pirate bay.
What's stopping people from archiving anime by recoring or ripping streams?
A bump in the road. From 2000 B.C. To around 1510 China has been the biggest, most powerful and advanced nation on earth (although they were pretty weak militarily quite a few times in that span of time).
They will retake their spot at the top, for better or worse.
You don't actually think faggots just randomly come on to you because you have a penis, do you? Because they don't. It doesn't work that way.
Even if they say suggestive lines towards you it's not like you're going to die because some faggot called you cute.
/a/ without piracy wouldn't exist. The western industry would be next to none existent without piracy and only the most mainstream of things would be localized. Piracy is the very thing that keeps the fucking thing alive in the west. Kinda ironic when you think about it
>No one is trying to take away your guns, idiot.
This is what retards actually believe.
Here's the newest of many, All it takes is some random asshole troll telling your local police that they "heard you making threats" or something else ambiguous, and they can take away your firearms.
>If anything he's almost a Hoover-era isolationist in terms of economic policy.
To be honest that's what we need right now. TPP and shit like it is incredibly damaging to developed local markets which run well on their own with minimal or only very specific outside input. The US is a post-industrial nation which still has a very large industrial capacity and could stand to be a bit more independent. It would help too with diplomacy if we didn't have to rely so much on others. Just look how desperate the Saudis got when we started fracking large-scale in the Dakotas. Gas is now hovering around $1.75 a gallon.
Let them shoot themselves in the foot
Without all the fan hype that comes from memes, doujinshi, cosplay, and even things considered piracy, they wont have anything to advertise their shows or IP, and will fail horribly.
If they're that stupid or arrogant to bite the hand that feeds them then they deserve their impending bankruptcy.
>implying this is a bad thing
Japan has even more voracious and destructive copy-right laws than the U.S. Fucking osumatsu had its first episode expunged from existence because of a parody.
Making fan-comics of official work is going to be protected by the same shit that let's people cover things--fair use for parody. As long as no one tries to make money off of it, doujins aren't going anywhere. It says essentially the same thing (distribution for non-financial and personal use is fine).
If you're mad that it's going to be harder to steal anime, of fucking well shit-bird.
I'll keep illegally downloading my anime until I get put in jail. Then, when I'm in jail my 6'3" black cellmate will ask what I'm in for and I'll tell him and I'll end up discussing anime with him, because black people genetically love anime.
I can't wait till this hurts the anime/manga industry because people who pirate stop buying figures and other merch.
>As long as no one tries to make money off of it, doujins aren't going anywhere
That's kind of the fucking point silly.
So are we just going to start a black market exchanging digital copies on foot now? Who will be the brave souls that actually have to go outside?