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So, to recap... Enuma Elish destroys worlds Excalibur is equal
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So, to recap...

Enuma Elish destroys worlds

Excalibur is equal to Enuma Elish

Solomon's Ars Almadel Salomonis is billions of times more powerful than Excalibur and Solomon himself transcends spacetime and has the power to destroy history itself

Solomon is one of seven grand servants, and being the grand caster is probably the weakest or second weakest

Together, the seven grand servants are strong enough to stand up to... Arcueid's sister's pet dog

Wait what?
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It's a very big dog.
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I'm real glad I haven't paid any attention to fate stuff for ages because this shit sounds real retarded.
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>>135847344
Source on the last bit?
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>>135847916
It's not outright said but Solomon himself talks about how the seven grand servants were made to fight the "deterring force of the planet" that has an "absolute power to kill mankind", both of which are phrases used in the description of Primate Murder.
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Sources? Translations? Post them.
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>still not scanned
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>>135848031
Ars Almadel Salomonis's description copypasted from the game:

『誕生の時きたれり、其は全てを修めるもの(アルス・アルマデル・サロモニス)』
種別:対人理宝具

ソロモン王の第三宝具。原罪のⅠ。
一見すると地球を囲む光の輪だが、その実態は幾億もの光の線の集合体である。
線の一本一本がAランク宝具であるエクスカリバーに匹敵する極大ダメージを持つ。
残念ながら、この宝具の熱量を上回るものは地球上には存在しない。

>幾億もの光の線の集合体である。
>線の一本一本がAランク宝具であるエクスカリバーに匹敵する
>Consists of billions and billions of rays of light
>Each ray is stronger than Excalibur

The Primate Murder stuff is mostly fan speculation based on >>135848024 and a few others are guessing that it's actually not Primate Murder but Artella, AKA Atilla the Hun, who is also actually the Aristotles, Type Mars
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>>13584807344
Normally I don't like Sakura but those doujins are great
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All that says to me is that Fate's powerlevels are well structured and Tshitkime is just bullshit

Haha these guys are just swiping at each other like normal people but actually that swipe can render all existence destroyed haha!
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>>135848372
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>>135848230
>Artella, AKA Atilla the Hun
Isn't she like lvl 40 boss?
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>>135848230
>>Each ray is stronger than Excalibur

Lrn2Read

It says that each ray has power comparable to Excalibur. Rather lower, since it goes with A rank instead of the full powered A++. It's not superior in raw strangth, but in number of shots.

Also Excalibur is only equal or greater than Enuma Elish at full power, and there's never been a situation where that power could be unlocked. The full power excalibur would logically be well above the A++ version given what it's supposed to be for.

Basically, stop wanking powerlevels if you don't even know the whole thing.
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>>135848723
>Lrn2Read
are you retarded?
>この宝具の熱量を上回るものは地球上には存在しない。
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>yfw Grand Archer is ANOTHER Emiya
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>>135849065
He'll be Gilgamesh. Let's not kid ourselves.
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>>135847344
>Excalibur is equal to Enuma Elish
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>>135849163
>Saber
>9.5
>Gil
>7.5
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>>135849163
They were stated to be of similar output in the VN.

>>135849230
Fuck off with your shit memes.
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>>135849265
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>>135847344
>Excalibur is equal to Enuma Elish
This part seems to be terribly wrong

>Solomon's Ars Almadel Salomonis is billions of times more powerful than Excalibur
It's basically EA beam spam then?

>Solomon himself transcends spacetime and has the power to destroy history itself
Pretty hack, as expect of one of the big bad, alright.

>Together, the seven grand servants are strong enough to stand up to... Arcueid's sister's pet dog
Are you fucking kidding me? So, how much of a hack is that shitty dog?
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>>135849265
>Excalibur: Anti-fortress Rank A++
>Ea: Anti-World Rank EX
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This must be your naruto now. Can't escape the terrible so you just ride with it while it milks you guys.
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Excalibur ain't that strong though. Even a billion of blasts like it would fall extremely short of the strongest types in raw energy output.
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>>135848230
>Artella, AKA Atilla the Hun, who is also actually the Aristotles, Type Mars
Wait, what?
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>>135849516
You don't understand how multimedia series work, do you?

>>135849454
The Anti-World designation and the EX rank come from its ability to destroy Reality Marbles, not its raw damage as a blast.
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>>135847344
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>>135849412
>Are you fucking kidding me? So, how much of a hack is that shitty dog?
It's the first and most powerful of the 27 dead apostles.

>>135849550
Speculation from how Flauros says some shit about how she's special, how Saber Alter questions if she's really a servant, and how her sword of Mars is a god-created weapon made to destroy civilization, and how she herself is suggested to be some sort of civilization-destroying superbeing.
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>>135847344
>Enuma Elish destroys worlds

That's where you made your mistake in the equation

Anti-world =/= Anti-Planet

Anti world just effects the world around you in a big way.

Ea used at max output only puts a very small hole in the world, that shows the true face of the planet within an area that's the size of a city.

Thus the world around him will transform

However no matter what he does with Ea, he cannot destroy the entire planet. The small holes he creates in the world heal within an hour or so.
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>>135849667
>It's the first and most powerful of the 27 dead apostles.
Wrong, it's the most dangerous threat to humans among the Dead Apostle Ancestors.
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>>135849065
I'd like that, SPACE EMIYA
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Power level faggotry is a sure way to make it so that only weenies will care about your shit. The idea that bugs bunny characters are the strongest ones because they can break the 4th wall and redraw the frames to be whatever they want is a good way of ending this faggotry.
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So, who is stronger?
Origin servants or Grand ones?
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>>135848723
You have no idea what you're talking about. A++ is still considered A rank at the end of the day, the + are just momentary things, the rank itself does not change. No Solomon's entry doesn't say "Oh man each blast is so much weaker than Excalibur" like you want it to say either. Each blast is directly comparable to an Excaliblast, as noted.
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>>135849871
An Origin-boosted Grand Servant.
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>>135849597
See >>135849698
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>>135847344
Can Shiki kill Solomon?
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>>135848372
Wow, rude. Tsukihime was fine, it is Nasu that went completely retard with power levels. He needs a serious spanking.
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>>135849938
I missed the part where there were any contradictions between the two posts.
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>>135849943
In Tsukihime 2 he'll kill Primate Murder, so yeah.
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>>135849871
Origin servants are demonstrably the strongest ones so far
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>>135850091
He will kill Primate Murder while fucking meido sisters. Arc and Currybutt are going to fight in the background like they usually do.
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>>135849597
>EX rank come from its ability to destroy Reality Marbles,

That's also wrong, its not "Woah, specially designed reality marble destroying sword that's basically never useful for anything else, and was designed to specially kill RMs".

We've had about eight anti-world NPs to date, you can learn what they all have in common. Its not an ability to destroy marbles, its an ability to effect the world.

Ea's special ability was never meant to be used against reality marbles, even though its just as effective against reality marbles. Rather the only two times we see him go all out with it, its meant to be the sword that shatters "the world". Not the entire world, not the planet, but yes the world around them at least.

This is in contrast with Enkidu's version of Ea which "Builds the world". When both items conflict with each other, the world is being torn apart and rebuilt every second or so.

Its not a threat to the planet, but eventually if they keep doing that shit Gaia might send something to slap their asses, as if they were a mosquito on its neck.
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Would't it's Max output be technically able to raze all of earth's surface?
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>>135847344
Well Solomon is a human and Primate Murder has an absolute advantage over Primates.
Humans descended from Primates.
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>>135850175
>That's also wrong, its not "Woah, specially designed reality marble destroying sword that's basically never useful for anything else, and was designed to specially kill RMs".

I had already mentioned that in terms of raw damage it is similar to if not superior to Excalibur, a few posts before that.

>We've had about eight anti-world NPs to date, you can learn what they all have in common. Its not an ability to destroy marbles, its an ability to effect the world.

You seem to have misinterpreted the flow of logic in the statement I made. It doesn't break Reality Marbles because it's Anti-World, it's Anti-World because it breaks Reality Marbles.

>Rather the only two times we see him go all out with it, its meant to be the sword that shatters "the world". Not the entire world, not the planet, but yes the world around them at least.
"The World" IS a Reality Marble. Every piece of science and magecraft ever developed by humans in the Nasuverse is just a part of the alien common sense of Gaia.
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Confirmed servants from the artist list we haven't seen yet

-Walkure (design by Takeuchi so probably important)
-Iskander (adult)
-Red Rabbit Lu Bu
-Parvati (Sakura)
-"??"
-Jaguarman (Taiga)
-Emiya Assassin
-Diarmuid Saber
-Caeneus
-Altoria Lancer (NOT Altoria Alter Lancer which is listed separately)
-Xuanzang
-Gilgamesh Caster
-Astolfo Saber
-Sieg (not Siegfried)
-Cheiron
-Astolfo
-Achilles
-Avicebron
-Amakusa Shirou
-Cleopatra
-Edmond Dantes
-Geronimo
-Emiya Alter
-Fuuma Kotarou
-Billy the Kid
-Nitocris
-Airi
-Lancelot Saber
-Qin Liangyu
-Cu Chulainn Alter
-Fujiwara no Hidesato
-Demon Medusa
-Tomoe Gozen
-Merlin
-Nightingale
-Queen Medb
-Suzuka Gozen
-Perseus Lancer
-Hassan (True)
-Hassan (Hundred Faces)
-Ivan IV
-Bedivere
-Child Gilgamesh
-Arthur Pendragon (Proto Saber)
-Gilgamesh (Proto Archer)
-Perseus
-Ozymandias
-Hassan (Quiet)
-Bradamante
-Calamity Jane
-Ibaraki Doushi
-Quetzacoatl
-Mochizuki Chiyome
-Angra Mainyu
-Young Medusa
-Mystery Heroine X
-Helena Blavatsky
-Sigurt
-Brunhilde
-Ishtar (Rin)
-Elkidu
-Semiramis
-Fionn mac Cumhaill
-Sherlock Holmes
-Tiamat
-Shuten Douji
-Rama (Male)
-Rama (Female)
-Nero (bride)
-Gawain
-Vlad (Extra)
-Li Shuwen Lancer
-Li Shuwen Assassin
-Passion Lip
-Melt Lilith
-Kingprotea
-Violet
-Kazuradrop
-Mother Harlot
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>>135847775

It seems to have gotten extremely dumb since the original game. At this point its just relying on hype and fanatical otaku who like reading fanfiction tier stories about their Waifus. Also only like 6 or so character designs. Saber, Sakura, Rin, Aoko, Gilgamesh and Archer redux
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>>135850442
Oh and I missed King Hassan.
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>>135850543
>>135850442
http://pastebin.com/91WTD7ZR
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>>135850525
At least some of this shit is based on lore that's been established since before FSN.
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>>135850442
>-Jaguarman (Taiga)
Really curious what this'll be like.
>-Quetzacoatl
Wait. I thought Divine Spirits couldn't be summoned?
>-Tiamat
Now you're just having me on, aren't you?
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>>135850663
>Wait. I thought Divine Spirits couldn't be summoned?
We already have Artemis, Stheno and Euryale.
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>>135850663
>>-Quetzacoatl
>Wait. I thought Divine Spirits couldn't be summoned?
Don't forget Ishtar-Rin and Parvati-Sakura, not to mention Artemis already bending the rules a little bit to hijack her husbando Orion's summoning and Stheno and Euryale showing up too just because.
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>>135850663
>Wait. I thought Divine Spirits couldn't be summoned?
It's already been established that all the rules in GO are broken, we have different versions of the same characters running around (Elizabeth and Camilla), wacky Alter/Lily alternate form shit, and yeah, divine spirits.
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>>135850663
Isn't Tiamat a dragon? Or it could be loli because type-moon.
>>135849954
He does not, that flowery writing amuses me.
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>>135850972
>Isn't Tiamat a dragon?
No it isn't. D&D and Final Fantasy have been lying to you.
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>>135847344

What has this franchise become?
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