How come Haruna's so popular?
>>135703594
>Lala in the top 5
L-O-L
To be fair, this wasn't a best character poll, it was a "character you want as your girlfriend" poll.
And thus, Japan gonna Japan.
she's the best girl
>>135703594
>haruna
>not mea
one job
>>135703594
garbage is hot right now...
>>135703594
best girl
>>135703594
Because Lala isn't relevant anymore and Japan likes plain girls. Same reason why Kosaki is popular in Japan (Kosaki is almost like a Haruna 2.0 in some aspects).
>>135703764
This anon knows.
>>135703704
Can't remember if this is accurate but wasn't Mea in the friends poll?
>>135703764
/thread
>>135703660
Risa's placement at 2 is still strange for that.
>>135703594
haruna is just an inferior Kyouko
>>135703790
but Kosaki is closet horny
>>135703800
risa is a strong runner up for best girl.
>>135703800
how?
>>135703800
Risa is by far best supporting girl, perhaps the only supporting girl who's close is Kyouko, but the latter lacks screentime.
>>135703594
Because nips are betas
>Wanting a character based on a cheating whore as your girlfriend
Two bombs were not enough
>>135704067
>a character based on a cheating whore
That was never proven though, and as far as I can remember it's just speculation.
>>135704136
What part are you saying it is just speculation? The cheating or the character being modeled after his ex wife?
>Risa 2
>>135704297
The part about being modeled after his ex-wife. The divorce is real, sadly.
Who's this semen demon?
That Momioka though.
This really rustles my jimmies.
I could be fine with literally ANYONE besides that piece of shit winning, I'm aware that neither Mikan or Momo stands a chance in Japan but atleast Pick Yami or Yui for fucks sake.
>>135704377
Didn't his ex wife demanded him money for the character of Haruna? Seeing how popular her character was (and still no 1 in recent polls), I don't think it was just coincidence that Yabuki decided to made her irrelevant in Darkness
>>135703594
The better question is how come Risa is so popular? I thought japs hated the whole "shameless cockteasing slut" personality and only liked boring pure girls like Haruna and Yui or kindergarteners trapped in porn star bodies like Lala.
>>135703800
not really, considering most other girls have quite similar qualities.
So the votes of people who want a pure, loyal loving girlfriend are split amongst 10 characters. While those who want someone to play around with have only Risa as their choice.
>>135704571
>boring pure girls
>Yui
might want to rephrased that. Yui is horny and interesting, and hot as fuck.
>>135704571
Yui, please. She's the Kanbaru of TLR. There's nothing wrong with teasing
>>135704477
pick Yui
>>135704431
Risa, the other girl that I think rivals Yui.
>>135704431
>>135704733
how lewd do you have to be to turn make Momo blush?
>>135704517
>I don't think it was just coincidence that Yabuki decided to made her irrelevant in Darkness
Lala is also irrelevant in Darkness, and Kotegawa, and everyone else that's not Pinkshit 1, Pinkshit 2, Yami and the other sluts. Honestly TLR was really fun but TLRD is pure fanservice, there's no comedy whatsoever anymore and there's nothing good about it aside from fap material.
This Poll just goes to show they should bring the old characters back since nobody cares about the new ones.
>>135703897
Haruna (like all tlr girls) too.
>>135703594
>Risa Momioka
is she even still in Darkness?
>>135705526
She's at least more relevant as she was in the original manga. Even upgraded to a possible love interest.
The thing is that when you have about 20 girls and a monthly release it takes years to give every girl a chapter
>>135705802
>The thing is that when you have about 20 girls and a monthly release it takes years to give every girl a chapter
Except Lala of course
>>135705802
Bullshit, she used to be a recurring side character, but you can count the amount of times she's shown up in Darkness on one hand.
>>135705888
Aren't you talking about Mio here? Risa still has her boob grabbing every once in a while.
>>135705839
Lala is a stupid girl who's into cuckold with no personality whatsoever, Haruna and her are the lackluster of the series and yet Japs seems to love them, we'll reach ch. 100 and progression will be null because of this.
>>135706028
>progression will be null because of this
progression will be null because TLR is a shitty, generic harem series you dumb fuck
>>135705944
>Mio
I had to google her, I forgot who she was
>>135705510
You can't compare the relevancy of Haruna with Yui since the first was a main heroine while the latter was/is a side character
And nobody gives a fuck about Lala
>>135703594
Man, Japan has the shittiest of tasteswhen it comes to To Love-ru
>>135704067
Nips are cucks
Why do people always talk about Japan's shit taste? It's far better than most of noisy /a/'s
>>135706217
>perfection.jpg
>>135703594
Risa has such an inviting smile
>>135707943
You're damn right anon.
Anon in the last thread mentioned someone buying the Little Sisters LN so someone can translate it. Where can it be bought?
>>135703594
I can't explain it, anon. Haruna is just moe incarnate.
>>135707943
THIS
>>135703594
fite me
Yamato Nadeshiko is strong in Japan
>Risa at #2
Good work Japan
>Haruna, Yui and Lala make the list
>Mikan doesn't
If it wasn't for Risa at second this would be shittiest character poll I have ever laid my eyes upon.
Get some taste Japs.
>>135710072
Risa got on because the chapter she got focused on came right when this poll started.
>>135709590
>kotegawa no SSS+
i'm disappointed anon
>>135709590
here is mine
I didn't read the manga but it's as I did
![20120813143933[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qF5LfA8.jpg "20120813143933[1].jpg")
>>135709219
The Mikan part of the book was scanned and uploaded a year ago. ttp://www.mediafire.com/download/yh6t0wkjp019ay1/TLRD_Imouto_Paper_Doll.rar
I haven't seen the other stories though.
maybe pic related helps you to find a place to buy it or to help me find existing scans.
>>135709219
This has to be a doushinjir-right?
>>135709590
You have a disorder in your mind for difference something really good (Yui) and crap (harushit)
>>135710472
It's an LN http://to-loveru.wikia.com/wiki/To_LOVE-Ru_Darkness:_Little_Sisters
>To LOVE-Ru Darkness: Little Sisters (To LOVEる ダークネス Little Sisters) is the second novel of the series, written by Hikaru Wakatsuki, first published in 17th August, 2012 by Shueisha Inc in JUMP j BOOKS series. It include 4 stories, with each of them separately featuring a "sister" as main character.
>>135710176
>>135710529
I like Yui, but she has been so irrelevant lately that i almost forgot she's there,
>>135710598
Everyone but Momo is irrelevant lately.
>>135703594
>Risa
Literally how. She has like four frames of screentime.
>>135710598
It's like Yabuki forgot she exist.
>>135710687
Except that when Haruna was on-screen she was generally there to grab her boobs.
>>135710545
Context as to why Lala is photographing Mikan with both of them naked?
>>135704933
Momo seems to be weak towards more direct perversion than passive teasing, especially if she's not the one in control.
>>135703790
Chitoge is more popular now.
>>135703764
Best breeding material, yes.
Because hating Haruna is LOLXD LE EBIN MAYMAY which doesn't exist in Japan.
>>135703594
Haruna is just so ridiculously hot in the scenes where they make out.
I just think all the readers must have fapped a lot to her chapters, and it just kind of stuck because they're good ecchi scenes.
>>135710598
That's your reason for Yui is irrelevant now behind the simplistic no personality and charisma
>>135703594
Japanese like beta ("pure", polite, "kindhearted", passive, extremely shy ) girls the most
>>135711239
nice meme
>>135703660
>it was a "character you want as your girlfriend" poll.
Kinda of makes sense. Haruna-chan is the sweet high school darling you you would fool around with and do indecent fun with. It's the type of girlfriend that fits the reader fanbase.
>>135709590
It is very obvious sort them by his personality and character development
S+= Amazing
S= Very Good
A= Good
E= Shit
F= Bullshit
Is there a template for this thing?
>>135709219
You can buy it off the jump website,
http://plus.shonenjump.com/item/SHSA_ST01N70327100101_57.html
hopefully that link works.
>>135711372
As if
>>135711356
Haruna is a good girl who doesn't deserve the hate
>>135703594
because she's already won, anon
also this was 2nd place in EVENTS Poll top 5
>>135711289
But it's true.
That's why they like Rei more than Asuka. Elevens can't handle strong girls.
>>135711356
Blah Blah Blah Haruna's a damn simplistic personality bland and tasteless boring without charisma she is also true perverted bitch in the closet
>>135711497
Where's the Mikan edit of that scene
>>135711477
It is, Is it too complicated for you
>>135711593
No, it's just you being a pretentious shithead
>>135711482
- Harunafag
- Where
- Here
- Kill him before leave offspring
>>135711529
>she is also true perverted
It's true, but that only makes it more fun to fool around with her and skipping class while doing naughty things on the school roof and behind the stairs.
There is a cute innocence in highschool darlings doing that even if it's technically lewd.
>>135703594
>muh Yamato Nakadashi
>>135711639
You just put pretentious because they do not want to understand oh poor you
>>135711690
Shit, I meant to write Nadeshiko.
I'm sorry.
>>135711690
Implying you wouldn't want to Nakadashi right into her womb and breed babies with her.
the Japanese are honest with their boners, and so should you be.
>>135711661
You just described as a whore Harushit perhaps many with autism in this forum who want a soulless bitch girlfriend
>>135711774
I'd rather do that with the second or fifth place.
>>135711775
Come on man. It's fun to make your girlfriend skip class and have sex instead.
Being a bad influence on her and everything.
>>135711497
>winning when Rito gives the old lickeroo to Momo at daily basics
Yeah right.
>>135707943
What the fuck is this shit
>>135711774
I do not think that all Japanese have the brain fucked shit like character and is based in the ex-wife of kentaro it charges royalties for every useless appearance and also the feed penstion
>>135711949
It baffles me how spineless he is, he should "kill her off" she isn't very difficult to replace.
>>135711949
I honestly think the poll is more about who the readership has fapped the most to. It would make sense since Haruna has had a lot of appearances and Lala became a loli.
Risa is obviously punching above her weight class, but it's just proof a lot of people fap to Risa too, but especially a lot of Japanese semen has been dedicated to Haruna.
>>135711827
Betray you just do not have expectations and it has a terrible taste you even like damn overrated Fat Gremory
>>135711697
then explain the greatness of the character development of 10-panels-characeters
>>135712047
Hah, good luck you that. Removing a fan favourite usually means your sales will go down the drain.
>>135704571
>all this Lala hate
>>135712047
Sorry I do not understand your answer me awful writing
>>135712047
only an idiot like you who reasons with memes could have such shit ideas
>>135712127
How do you hate someonewho isn't relevant
>>135712093
It will be for the next and because I have to explain that one should do it yourself
>>135709590
Nope, I pretty much agree with this.
>>135704571
For this friend for giving dserverd her the bitch of momo
>>135711372
>Mea in F tier
eat a dick fag
>>135704571
Whenever I see I short haired girl like Haruna, I don't feel any love, I just want to pump and dump her. Like fuck her really hard and just abandon her.
But a week later I see her again and only want to fuck her more. I want a long lasting fuck relationship, but I don't want a relationship.
I can't explain this, I'm not sure what it's called. I'm not tsundere or anything, but I don't have a name for it.
>>135704571
I will hate forever harushit for ruining the evening before the ova
>>135712352
you don't understand?
she has a shit personality and character development compared to the rest of nobodies! And I'm not pretentious.
>>135712352
Oh perhaps he became angry because his waifu shit is justified in position F
>>135712352
I agree he has massive shit taste.
>>135712432
Finally someone with brains and sees the truth
>>135712486
I was being ironic you spic shit
stop posting here already
>>135703594
Who would like that shit
Would you date Haruna-chan if she promised you she would be a good girl?
>>135712532
I will not and you say that spic and shit because you got the brains fucked
>>135712592
No, because "dark" Haruna >>>>>*
>>135712592
even if she didn't
>>135712662
If Haruna became Dark Haruna, I think Japan would have an serious overdosis of fapping.
>>135703594
>Series with every kind of space waifu you want
>Nips always choose the human girls
Fuck's sake Japan
>>135711497
>accidental lips touching= winning
Then what do you think about Lala, who got her marshmallow candy juices sucked dry?
>>135712592
haruna is a whore pervert in the closet and then say no really arguments that it is Yui
>>135703800
>Risa's placement at 2 is still strange for that.
> "character you want as your girlfriend" poll.
Risa is PERFECT for that poll. A lot of the comments on the polls for her basically say "I'd love to taste her sexual techniques" and shit.
>>135703594
It's a well-established fact, that fans in Japan consistently have shit taste. This is just another prime example.
>>135712801
Nonsense. You have no evidence for this slander.
Haruna is a good girl.
>>135712808
A friend with benefits possibly bisexual
with a good body and is not a whore like momo and mea
>>135712801
>haruna is a whore pervert
Are you not satisfied with the service she provides so far?
>>135703594
You know, it's really nice to see that the Japs like the girls that don't even get much screentime. They don't have dick ADD like /a/.
>>135711503
They like Rei because she's best girl.
>No Riko
Shit taste
>>135703864
The other way around. Rito has commented that they are like identical twins.
But Haruna has nicer purple hair + deep purple eyes. It's a killer combination compared to Kyoko.
>>135712861
>>135712984
don't reply to the spic anymore
>>135712861
Inside is a perverted bitch as momo and mea in the Chapter 10.5 and episode 8 of To love Ru Darkness Risa lied about having sex with Rito and the shit of haruna believed it but denied Yui
>>135712756
So can't wait for this scene to be animated.
>>135713070
He should just grab them both, honestly. It's almost like dating twins
>>135712984
I do not have the brain fucked like you
>>135711503
yeah, definetly not because Asuka is an insufferable bitch
Rei even slapped Shinji, she's probably stronger than you
>>135713146
I can get behind suggestion. Haruna and Kyoko does mad things to my boner.
>>135713070
Kyouko is actually hotter than Haruna
>>135712984
>sex with Haruna
Does his ex-wife actually get royalties from Haruna? I've heard she pursued something like this but not that she actually won.
>>135713217
>hotter than Haruna
It's like we live in alternative universe from each other.
To me there is no Trouble who is actually hotter than Haruna, she's the number 1 boner bait in my opinion.
>>135713217
But it becomes very Bullshit as haruna and Kyoko character shit and nothing excuses that's cute she's the worst
>>135713231
disgusting would be making sex with you
>>135713285
Well, I said that but you should consider that Kyouko is my second favorite while Haruna is the 3rd
>>135713255
That goddamn son of a bitch was left with custody of the child at the end because kentaro work did not help much as say in court
>>135713328
>Well, I said that but you should consider that Kyouko is my second favorite while Haruna is the 3rd
>You really have brain fucked
>>135703594
The author has Always used Haruna as the main fanservice girl, she would always be the girl who is victim of tentacle attacks since the beginning, and Rito being arounsed by her when trying to save her.
When you consider the fanbase is 100% perverts who enjoys this kind of stuff, everything makes sense.
>>135713431
That wasn't him.
best
>>135703594
>Japan
>in charge of taste
Appoint decision singularly.
>>135713522
But Japan is right for once. Haruna is a really nice girlfriend.
>>135713507
Best Black Loli of All times of course
>>135713585
You really are the one with the brain fucked
Yui is the one with best quality of Girlfriend and Wife
>>135713658
She is too strict. She keeps cucking herself in the rare events she gets a chapter.
>>135713507
I am a lolicon for her
Nana > Nemesis > Mikan = Yami > Mea > Momo > Lala > Yui > Haruna
>>135703594
WHERE THE FUCK IS KOTEGAWA ?!
>>135713658
Special ed pls go.
>>135713711
BLAH BLAH BLAH
She has better quality of bride best personality better body and feelings that none of the others are crap girls
>>135713715
>not enough tan
Disgusting
>>135713916
>>135713658
This is an english board.
>>135713849
>nemesis Above Mikan
>>135713849
She is garbage and you fucked the brain especially in penultimate let Yui
>>135703594
>new 40010 mikan doujin
Thank you Jesus.
>>135710250
>>135709590
Both imbeciles for not SSS+ing Yui
>>135713965
And what 4chan /a/non is for everyone
>>135713983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AOnbhl906s
>>135712756
>implying it's merely accidental lips touching
Anon you read the manga wrong. Haruna's chapter was much deeper than random fanservice.
It was a moment of courage for both of them. Rito sacrificing himself so Haruna wouldn't be sexually assaulted. And Haruna stopping him from harming himself.
Everything went to a higher level and they achieved "first Accident".
Like it or not, Haruna is now the one with the most progress of the girls, + she is the readers' favourite.
She's the main threat to Momo's Harem plan at the moment.
>>135714063
>Rito sacrificing himself
Wow, so refreshing, that's like with every fucking girl
>>135714041
Graciela Milanese - I did not see I do not care
>>135714131
Yes, but it was returned with the same feeling from Haruna too. That makes her stand out.
>>135714063
>She's the main threat to Momo's Harem plan at the moment.
That's why before he tried to confess to Haruna, the faces of all the girls popped up in his mind and made him hesitate, amirite?
>>135713938
I do not mind your opinion because I like the black lolis in the anime and manga
>>135714184
A little progress is better than none. It's not time for the story to end yet.
Even though I am loving Nemesis' focus right now, Momo still has made the most progress in terms closeness to Rito. She loves him the deepest and the way she is always by his side and protective of him is very wife like and charming.
inb4 Downs gibberish spic response
>>135714197
I meant that in the anime she is not black enough compared to the manga. So manga >>> anime
>>135714156
>Yes, but it was returned with the same feeling from Haruna too. That makes her stand out.
>There's nothing stands that shit and Rito have no chemical
>>135714326
The anime is poorly paced, incorrectly toned piece of shit. The manga is far superior.
>>135713969
>implying there is something wrong with that
>>135713983
Nana is love and life. Screw you.
>>135714317
>Even though I am loving Nemesis' focus right now, Momo still has made the most progress in terms closeness to Rito. She loves him the deepest and the way she is always by his side and protective of him is very wife like and charming.
Momo is not it more deeply loves him (that's Yui)
Momo is a Damn bitch hypocritical manipulative sociopath immoral incestuous nympho sick yandere whore
>>135714406
Not a big fan of brown girls I'm too used to them IRL so i don't find any attractive on them, she's cute just not my kind of cute.
>>135714478
Dude, please. Yui is great but you're so obnoxious
My top 5 girls in no particular order.
Mikan
Yami
Haruna
Mea
Nana
>>135714406
You do not have the foggiest fucking idea the shit that is ignorant nana until she did not know how babies were born she is locked in a virtual simulation animals not count as home but as a prison that encloses reality and sheIt is a fucking tsundere
>>135703594
>no momo
W0T
>>135714606
The fanbase was established a long many years ago.
The fanbase is loyal to Haruna because she was their original fanservice bait.
>>135714560
Mikan
Momo
Nana
Yami
Lalajust because of nostalgia.
![[ToLoveRuDarkness]-ch22_34.png](https://i.imgur.com/p5rnRYn.png "[ToLoveRuDarkness]-ch22_34.png")
>>135714597
>next level super mad
>barely comprehensive writing
I can't even take you seriously.
>>135714536
I am the alpha male by Yui
She, Nemesis Mikan Risa Tearju Mikado and Celine They are the only ones that are not shit
>>135714560
>Mikan
>Yami
>Nemesis
>Mea
>Nana
Mine is almost the same except replace Haruna with Nemesis.
>>135714478
>>135714717
>Yuifag being obnoxious and limited taste faggot
You give Yuifags a bad name.
>>135714708
And then came Yui to destroy that shit worthless
>>135714713
It is because you are stupid for that cliche shit ignorant carcinogen tsundere
>>135714820
Nope, they still love Haruna a lot.
Japanese perverts are the most loyal people there are.
>>135714799
I give bad name to the army of Yui
The treacherous bastards who like Yui but prefer to accept the plan Hooker momo dishonor us who adore der truth
>>135714940
Please put on a tripcode so that I can filter you.
>people actually give a shit about meha
>>135714937
And in the world Yui governs piece of shit
>>135714989
>meha
I dont hate her, but I really dont understand her relevance anymore.
>>135714879
>complaining about cliche of all things when reading TLR
Be a better troll.
Which girl has been violated the most in terms of time and also the degree by Rito?
>>135714940
Please just fuck off.
>>135714969
Perhaps you do not like the truth, possible traitor bastard
>>135715028
She's just kind of a shittier Momo with transforming powers, background character tier design like Haruna.
Does anybody here know where to acquire physical copies of those darkness volumes in color? Do they even exist?
>>135715071
I suppose with the latest chapter it was the pussy shot with the camera. Physically, multiple girls have had their snatch invaded by his nose.
>>135715043
Did you stupid one who believes that all are crap tsundere
Kotegawa Yui
Katsura Hinagiku
Senjougahara Hitagi
Tohsaka Rin
Makise Kurisu
Kyou Fujibayashi
Misaki Ayuzawa
Misaka Mikoto (All of them are good tsundere)
>>135715071
>Which girl has been violated the most in terms of time
If you count not just Rito but also random space tentacle aliens. That would be Sairenji. She was the #1 tentacle magnet.
>>135715078
No and Fuck You
>>135715071
Obviously Haruna. Every 4-5 chapters is her getting molested in some way or other.
>>135715200
Fine. I'll bite more. Do tell us how they are good cliche tsundere and why Nana isn't a good cliche tsundere.
inb4 it's because of one or two traits you don't like.
>>135714820
In the left picture it's angled upward at her. While in the right picture it's angled downward, which is the discrepancy.
You can tell by looking at the collar bone.
>>135715071
source on this?
>>135704328
This doujin is probably 90% of the reason she ranks so highly.
>>135714063
Actually no, the one with the most progress is Yui. She's the only one in the entire manga that has straight up told Rito to fuck her and regularly daydreams of being in a relationship with him.
>>135716346
>She's the only one in the entire manga that has straight up told Rito to fuck her
Momo is nude in his bed on a regular basis.
>and regularly daydreams of being in a relationship with him
>daydreams
Momo dreams of being loved by him by any means necessary.
Not trying to besmirch Yui, but your examples are weak.
Are Yuifags the new Momofags?
>>135715981
http://a.pomf.hummingbird.moe/qyxkzt.webm
JAV code is TEK-071. You can find it on Sukebei, and a 1080p rip is available. She used to be in an idol group.
>>135716495
Everytime I see a cute girl like this on a JAV I die a little inside.
>>135716594
My dick comes alive, especially the scene where she gets her armpits licked.
>>135716594
Fuck you. The jav industry needs more cute girls.
>>135716483
There's a big difference between them.
One fanbase is eternally analhurt. The other can afford to be smug because she is the main character of Darkness.
>>135707943
>Haruna
>S+
I didn't think I could laugh and vomit at the same time.
>>135716482
No anon, you don't seem to understand the huge lead Yui is currently in. She is the only girl that has been naked in a bed with Rito and said "it's okay as long as I'm the only girl for you". Not a single one of them.
Yui also wants a family with him. Momo on the other hand is implied to be compromising with herself because she knows she can't win.
>>135714560
Drop Haruna and add Yui on top
>>135716812
No.
>>135716728
The cute ones are the best.
>>135714820
This anon knows.
>>135703594
>risa
>that high
what a shit poll
>>135715200
Crab is dog-shit. Don't put her anywhere close to Kotegawa.
>>135716767
Nah, Yuifags are pretty chill, Momofags are obnoxious.
>>135711372
Move Yami, Run, and E's furthermost right girl (forget the name) up and move glasses girl down and this is pretty accurate.
>>135716910
>>135716947
You have to see yourself from other people's eyes, or else you won't judge accurately.
>>135716495
>>135716594
It's fake porn anyway. In this series of videos they rarely do actual penetration.
>>135717133
Have you actually watched it? She's definitely taking the dick.
>>135717119
How are us Mikanfags seen, then?
>>135717225
You tell me. Are we really that bad?
>>135717258
Everyone's fine, all it takes is one idiot with a couple of hours spare time spamming bullshit to make a fanbase look bad.
In my opinion, it doesn't matter who your favorite girl is, liking TLR alone is already proof enough that you have great taste.
>>135717421
Then you're not aware the Yui people were always jealous of Sairenji's positioning since the beginning. It's something that's always existed, and Momo has nothing to do with it.
>>135717528
Everyone except that one guy shits on Haruna, every thread.
>>135717600
Do you actually think your apologetics will help you being convincing?
There was always an open hostility to Sairenji from particularly that fanbase in the west.
>>135703594
I always just assumed she was that character made for everyone to hate because she got in between the protagonist and the other girls
>>135717838
That's just the western fans being shit.
Japan loves all the toloveru's
>>135714063
>She's the main threat to Momo's Harem plan at the moment.
This. Haruna is a bane to the Harem Plan until Lala can completely change her thinking about sharing Rito.
>>135717901
They don't like Yui.
>>135717938
I think you're right. Lala is the equalizer to Haruna.
Don't worry, Lala will be relevant again, soon;_;
