>A series meant to poke fun at the concept of powerlevels and shonen clichés
>hurrr durr who would win, Saitama or Goku???
Why?
Parody
People are stupid, /a/ is filled with anime experts, there are several reasons, OP.
The series itself has also become a standard shitty shounen.
>>135673975
People can't accept there are characters stronger than their favorite ones.
That's how retarded OPM fanbase is.
>>135673975
It's pretty simple once you understand the maturity of the average DBZ fag.
>Saitama's gimmick is that he can defeat every opponent in a single punch
>Goku is more or less the benchmark for strong anime characters, so inevitably someone states that Saitama could one punch Goku
>DBZfags, gnashing their teeth at every negative mention of their mediocre yet nostalgic show, flip out
>They take "muh universe destroying punches" at face value, yet casually shrug off that Goku got one shot by a mass produced laser ring
DBZfags simply cannot stand the thought of Goku being dethroned. Even Beerus only exists as an obstacle for Goku to eventually overcome. It is the same reason as why DBZfags flipped their shit over the Death Battle versus Superman: it's what happens when a man who breaks all limits meets a man who has no limits.
>>135673975
>A significant number of anime fans miss the point of a parody/deconstruction and treat it as if it were a serious example of the genre.
Nothing new to see here, folks. Move along. The exact same thing happened to Evangelion, and Sailor Moon, and Slayers, and every other well done parody that wasn't an outright slapstick farce.
>make fun of powerlevels
>literally everything except for Saitama is powerlevels, they even have rankings
>>135674824
>they even have rankings
Ranks in OPM matter about as much as power levels in DBZ. They only exist to show that the entire concept is bullshit. Otherwise King and Genos would be many times stronger than Saitama.
>>135673975
Due to the anonymous nature of the board, one person can create a poor quality discussion in one thread and then complain about the same poor quality discussion in another thread, all in an effort to disparage a particular fanbase.
>>135674864
da fuq you talking about
king is stronger then saitama
>>135674864
>Ranks in OPM matter about as much as power levels in DBZ
Is that supposed to be a good thing?
>Otherwise King and Genos would be many times stronger than Saitama
Did you miss the part where i said it didn't apply to Saitama? Actually i also forgot about King so you're at least right on that.
>>135674949
And here we go.
>>135675232
It would be a completely generic, cliched filled battle shonen if saitama wasn't in it.
>>135675389
Keep telling yourself that.
>>135675232
Here's your reply.
it's a combination of shonen, western comics, and a commentary on the japanese workplace
Because in all honesty, other than BnHA, I can't think of any actual superhero manga, with the costumes and everything
>>135675542
thats what Sentai is for over there.
>>135673975
finally, a one punch man thread!
>>135675542
>and a commentary on the japanese workplace
I hadn't even thought about that, but now that you mention it makes perfect sense.
>The lowest class salarymen are constantly pressured into performing on a regular basis, often doing the work nobody else wants to do
>On higher levels you're bullied into some sort of group or you're a social outcast with no hope to ever grow further within the company
>>135675457
lol
>>135675648
I suppose, but it's more about having multiple heroes that work independently, which is more like a western comic.
>>135673975
Saitama's thing is that he is unbeatable. Goku's thing is that he can overcome any opponent with training. Goku is Genos to Saitama.
>>135674824
The rankings only matter up to S class. S class has no upper limit.
>>135673975
It's called shitposting
Or if they take it seriously, this >>135674436
>>135673975
>implying it isn't poking fun at shonen cliches while also performing them fantastically
>missing the point
>>135674621
You honestly think that Superman is written as a man with no limits in the comics? Is this what the general public thinks? Because it's wrong. He gets his ass kicked all the time. Not something you'd expect from a guy with no limits.
>>135675232
I hope you're baiting because otherwise you're a completely retard
So like, is Saitama the villain in the show? I mean it seems like the whole time I watch it, I'm rooting for the villain. I see a new villain and I think to myself "is he going to be strong or a jobber? Will this guy push saitama's limits further than the last guy?"
>>135676597
So you're Saitama?
>>135673975
>>135676628
I see, so you're a retard who's trying to bait
>>135676733
>I see
That's an improvement but I hope you also learn to think one day
>>135674621
You're kind of projecting, faggot.
I find particularly interesting how everyone has this larger than life backstory, especially the villains, as it means something before Saitama punches a hole in them. Really shows how much of a filler that kind of storytelling is.
For that matter, am I the only one who got bored with the Garo vs Metal Bat chapters? I do love those characters but it went for so long to the point it isn't exciting, and it's played pretty much straight. I'm sure it would be better if it was animated though.
>>135673975
Finally someone gets it.
Sadly the anime community will always be plagued by a large, vocal group of idiots who can't see beyond the shonen cliches.
Ah well, it doesn't stop me from enjoying OPM for what it is.
>>135676930
I hope that you learn how to bait someday, but I guess it's impossible because you're a retard
>>135674374
Well yeah, it's a deconstruction of a shitty genre.
>>135677464
Nah, ever since Garou entered the story it's been a generic shounen and not a parody. It was funny but not anymore. Now it's just boring. The pace has been fucked up completely because Murata can't draw fast enough.
It is no longer a "deconstruction" because it has become what it was parodying: a shitty, generic shounen.
>>135676690
He is garou
>>135673975
>faggots start spamming threads about saitama being the new accelerator/demonbane
>another batch of faggots reply
>now the first group faggots can't handle what they created
The sad thing is that this was predicted.
>make a generic shonen
>except the fact that mc can one punch
>HURR DURR ITS A DECONSTRUCTION THE EVANLGEION OF SHONEN
I wish reddit would go.
![184[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/jJQPhHG.gif "184[1].gif")
>>135677729
Ok
>>135677729
This is true. I don't blame ONE for cashing in on the success, though.
>>135677464
>deconstruction
Stop. Its a comedy. Nothing more. Its also not as satirical as some of you claim.
>>135677729
>>135677923
>ever since entered the story it's been a generic shounen and not a parody.
In what way? If you think the manga as a whole was some mea nspirited "FUCK YOU" to battle manga then you might have been interpreting it wrong,. You guys tend to overblow the "parody" and "satirical" aspect of the series
>>135677729
What are you talking about, didn't you see how when Saitama bumped into Garou on accident and beat him in one punch, decounstructing the big bad guy trope. That shit was hilarious
>>135678043
I think you missed the joke
>>135673975
>hurrr durr who would win, Saitama or Goku???
Everybody I see saying this are DBZ fans, and they pull the most retarded shit out of their ass so that Goku wins
>>135677464
>>135677729
>>135677923
I bet all of you are americans.
>>135678277
>go to american website
>"I bet all of you are americans."
wew lad
>>135678234
It's almost as if the spirit of the comic has been consistent from start to finish
>>135678219
>Buttmad one meme man faggot detected
>>135673975
>ONE openly answers questions regarding power levels
>Toriyama just goes "wut?" when asked
The concept of power levels is welcome in OPM outside Saitama. Not to mention OPM indulges in cliches as much as it pokes fun at them. OPM demonstrates pretty shallow self reflectivity common in anime/manga.
>>135678078
>Deconstructions have to be dark and edgy like Eva and Madoka
>>135678453
>deconstruction
>>135678482
I don't think anyone on /a/ understands what it means anymore.
>>135678350
You don't get it, the powerlevels and ranks are a deconstruction of the shonen genre, it's a deconstruction of the subvertion trope
>>135678078
Of course it isn't meant to be mean spirited, but it is supposed to a comedy manga which derives its humour from parodying generic shounen. What else would it be? That was the original vision and that is what everyone praises it for being. It has fallen into the trap of losing sight of what it was originally mocking and becoming what it was lampooning.
I suppose therefore you could claim that it isn't a parody anymore, because it has completely failed in that respect.
>>135678482
>Look mom, I posted it again!
>>135678520
The joke is Saitama always wins, no question. There is no fight, he just wins. Thats the gag. It's the entire point.
>>135678554
Yeah, how dare someone point out when another poster posts literal gibberish because they don't understand words.
>>135678453
I never said this. Its simply not a deconstruction. Are you basing this on what you heard from those falseflag" OPM" shitposters who kept praising it as "deconstruction" or " the 'x' of 'x' anime"? Those posts were mocking faggots like you. Not praising the series .
>>135673975
Autism is a hell of a drug.
>>135678540
I don't get why it can't be both. OPM started as a napin doodle drawing, but developed to have really good fight scenes, but the core idea of it poking fun at the general tropes of fighting series has always been there and will still be a staple of OPM.
OPM really got popular because of Murata's art, at least in the west.
>>135678681
I'd argue that it is a deconstruction on the basis that it takes general ideas, plays them straight, then throws a wrench into it show how silly the original idea was.
>>135678540
>becoming what it was lampooning.
Did you literally miss the Boros arc outside the Saitama parts? It's not a new development.
>>135678619
>B-but muh universe busting punch tho
>>135678785
Just looking at Genos without Saitama you get the same result.
>>135678784
Anon, deconstruction is a literary perspective for analysis not a method of story telling. The word you want is "parody". You're welcome.
Fanboys can't stand their overated Goku being beaten, remember the massive anal blast from Goku vs Superman? well Saitama vs Goku is another repeat of that
>>135677729
yeah, the redrawn version turn from shounen-parody to generic shounen thanks to Murata unnecessary fillers in garou's arc.
Why don't he directly goes to monster associaton story is a wonder...
>>135678872
The analysis come from the fact that the original idea was showcased to be silly in itself.
>>135678903
ONE is writing it though
>>135678453
Deconstruction consists in questioning, based on reality, the elements used in a genre. It is no coincidence that most of deconstructions give the impression of being "dark".
>>135678540
>to a comedy manga which derives its humour from parodying generic shounen.
No. It derives its humor from humorous dialogue and scenarios, MOST (as in not all gags) of which have nothing to do with putting a spin on shonen cliches. I would like for you to explain what the numerous common battle manga tropes it lampoons are.
>What else would it be?
An action/comedy with some serious storytelling here and there.
>That was the original vision
I have never heard anything from ONE where he claimed that OPM as a WHOLE was meant to make fun of battle manga.
>>135678520
Goku's massively faster than light reaction speed and multi-galaxy nuster durability.
>>135679055
Here you go anon.
>>135678872
>http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeconstructiveParody
It even lists OPM you fucking tard
>>135678918
No. You're stupid.
>>135678998
>Deconstruction consists in questioning, based on reality, the elements used in a genre
No. Deconstruction is a viewpoint that argues that no story or art has any intrinsic meaning or value and that meaning can only be derived from the reaction of a viewer.
>>135678731
I don't think it pokes fun anymore. It forgets to poke fun in favour of fight scenes and moving along whatever ounce of 'plot' it has. It focuses on characters that aren't Saitama too much even though he is the core comic device of the series.
>>135678785
It has become more noticeable to me with Garou. I felt like it was going down this path with Boros but I thought that it would pick up afterwards.
>A series becomes popular with normalfags
>hurr durr why are there retarded threads on /a/ 24/7
>>135673975
Poe's Law
And what really gets my goat is when RPG nuts try to stat this guy for thier favorite system.
Why, WHY????
>>135679129
>TVT
You sure showed me! Thanks, Reddit.
Hold on, I've got a source for you. It's called the fucking dictionary.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deconstruction
>>135679115
Goku can't be that retarded. Vegeta had reasons to purposely lower his ki levels to farmer with shotgun tier, meanwhile Goku had no reason to lower to the same level in front of the space tyrant, and while still being aware that he had one minion left to boot. It was just shit writing, because goku should've known that Sorbet was still there as nobody in freezer's faction knows how to hide their ki
>>135679022
>wanting a series who mocks about scales, feats and powerlevels coexists with porn with powerlevelfags
yeah sure
>>135679129
>tvtropes as a reference guide
Congratulations on being a huge fucking idiot
>>135679178
I dunno I find the entirety of the Tatsumaki was pretty silly. Even in the serious fights, there's a lot of things you shouldn't really be taking seriously going on. Just look at the fat little shit that saved Garou.
>>135679232
Goku regulates his Ki usage so he doesn't run out and lose power so he constantly shifts between high and low Ki output.
Trunks is another character that is seen using this kind of Ki manipulation. Here's Trunks lowering his Ki to the point where his power level reads only 5.
>>135679166
>No. You're stupid.
That's a great argument anon, sure makes you look smart.
>>135679357
You'd think that weakness would be abused more often then
>>135679211
>Posts a definition that perfectly describes OPM
>b-b-but it isn't
>>135679391
He looked smarter than you by being able to recognize your stupidity while you can't, yes.
>>135679482
Because that's how you win arguments.
>>135673975
People who compare characters from different franchises deserve to fucking die, it's more annoying when it comes to OPM. You have to be a retard to not get the humor from OPM, they make fun of every cliche anime hero and yet these fags are trying to understand Saitama's power level.
>>135679482
>he
>not you just samefagging
>>135678520
You are a fagget you know that? the whole joke is that Saitama will always beat the shit out of everyone and not get recognized because of it's simplicity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDtRa094ulk
Isn't Saitama only strong because the "heroes" in One Punch Man are fairly weak?
Like, even the high class S rank heroes seem like they'd get their asses beat in most other series
>>135679471
>Posts a definition that perfectly describes OPM
Be honest, lad. You didn't even read the definition. It literally applies to everything.
>>135679768
They aren't weak, it's just that Saitama is ridiculously overpowered. It's like comparing superman with most of the DC comics heroes
>Goku can't beat Superman
>so Goku fans start picking on the lead character of a gag manga
Why are you Mexicans so insecure?
>>135679972
Why mexicans?
>>135679972
Funny you say that because Mexicans seem to love OPM and shitting on DBS.
God fucking dammit, someone finally gets it, some at least
First, lets get the DBfags argument " Huurr durr in the Goku x Beerus fight they could destroy the universe " and say it is right, if you can use Dbz rules then I can get the " I want to be someone who can DEFEAT VILLAINS WITH ONE PUNCH " from OPM and also use it. So if Goku has the power to obliterate the universe and even without intention distorts the universe putting it in danger then he becomes the villain, guess what? Saitama trait kicks in and will bestow Saitama every power imaginable so he can
1- Survive Goku devastating power
2- Kill Goku with one punch at any time he wants.
"But but, he needed more than one punch to kill Boros" WRONG, Saitama always pull punches because he wants the thrill of a battle to the death, even motherfucking Boros calls him a liar because he "never used his full strenght", but since he made that stupid desire with so much drive he is doomed to never get it as long as he is a hero. This is a mockery to the "if you believe in yourself you can do it" trope, which is the whole point of this COMEDY manga, mockery of shonen tropes that are used ad nauseum.
And even if you try to use the "wish with so much drive that you get it" for Goku what is his strongest wish? TO FIGHT PEOPLE STRONGER THAN HIM, so by default he is already fucked. This also applies to every, fucking, shonen, hero, ever. There is 0 chance to win because.... You guessed faggot, " I WANT TO BE SOMEONE WHO CAN DEFEAT VILLAINS WITH ONE PUNCH ", this shit will always, ALWAYS come into play no matter what.
You can't argue against a gag manga because gag mangas have 0 limits, even Bobobobo can win Goku with his tiger because GAG MANGA LEL, hell even fucking Arale can do it because GAG MANGA KEK.
"But anon, Medaka box", again, gag manga >>> shonen manga.
Eat shit.
Aaaages ago, in the hoary days before 4chan, someone posted Goku vs Cthullhu on a few videogame message boards, arguing on the side of Cthulhu. And there were some people arguing on Goku's side.
Christ.....
>>135677464
>deconstruction
Stick to Aldnoah.Zero, faggot.
>>135680003
>>135680103
Mexicans are the only ones that like powerlevels. Well, blacks too, but blacks stick to posting on Facebook and Twitter.
>>135679115
Fair enough. Then consider the following:
>Saitama confronts Goku with his usual potato-face
>He looks unintimidating and unimpressive
>Goku can't sense any ki
>He wonders if this is a joke and gets cocky
>"Casual series: Casual poke"
>Saitama's finger pierces Goku's chest, exploding his heart and wrecking his ribcage, sending small chunks of flesh and bone flying out of his mouth
>Saitama is slightly upset because he just washed his uniform and now there's blood and bone fragments all over it
This is not me being dishonest, this is your own logic. Unless, of course, you can give me a reason why Goku should be more concerned about an average looking bald dude with a potato face, far less muscles than Mr. Satan and no sensible ki than about a revived space tyrant who has surpassed the level of a god.
>>135679178
>It forgets to poke fun in favour of fight scenes and moving along whatever ounce of 'plot' it has.
Monster Association arc
>Fubuki vs Psykos. Thought she learned a new ability. After defeating Psykos, sheb elieved she was finally able to stand up for herself and stand out of her sister's shadow. Only for the narrator to reveal in the next page that Tatsumaki knew the technique from birth and upgraded it to a much more powerful attack.
>King's fending off the MA members with bullshitting and luck
>Saitama entering the fray for no reason other than to address noise complaints
>Saitama's first encounter with Flashy Flash
>Saitama's appearance in the battle was delayed due to him carrying out mundane rock moving
>Bang fucking shit up in battle only to be completely wrecked a few seconds later. "T-Time out!" " I didn't think it would turn out this way. "
>Saitama attempting to make a dramatic entrance later in the fight only to be ignored by Garou and overshadowed by the other heroes every time.
>In general, the back-and-forth between Garou and Saitama before, during, and after their fight. Saitama's lighthearted and deadpan banter contrasting with Garou's edgelord dialogue
>Any scene with Black Sperm
And there have been more moments like these in the current arc.
The comedic nature is still there.
>>135680237
THIS. And then Saitama would look disappointed because he expected a real battle, not just some pussy who accidentally commited assisted suicide by lowering his defense.
>>135675232
>person makes sarcastic post, shown by posting an image that contradicts the wording of their post and displays awareness of the mindset behind posts like it
>flies over people's heads, they take this post seriously
It's no wonder people get into Saitama power level debates, /a/ is retarded.
In case you've already got your reply box open with "d-d-damage control!!!" typed out, I'm not the person I've quoted.
Even in DB, the fucking point of the Scouters is that measuring and comparing battle power is straight up retarded.
Leave it to the majority of the fanbase to continually wank and debate how powerful the characters are, regardless.
>>135678520
>>135679357
>in SSG
Isn't SSG a lossless form?
>>135680237
>implying Saitama kills good people.
>implying Goku would bother with Saitama if he didn't know how strong he was
>>135680517
It should be but apparently it isn't because hack writing
>>135680237
>Goku can't sense any ki
He couldn't sense any Ki from Beerus yet he survived an attack from him. Reminder this is a casual poke from Beerus.
Plus he's much stronger now.
Also
>Saitama can only beat Goku if he is at his weakest
I accept your concession.
>>135674621
if you actually think death battle was right about that fight at all then you need to read more superman comics.
>>135680517
?
You guys are all just pretending to be retarded, right?R-right?
>>135680590
That's not a casual poke. As you can clearly see, it was imbued with powerful destruction god ki, which sent energy towards the core of the planet and made it blow up from inside. See how it exploded from the center rather than cracking from one extreme
>>135680384
Wasn't the whole point of the scouters and power levels existence for the villians to continously underestimate goku and his friends?
>>135680590
>He couldn't sense any Ki from Beerus yet he survived an attack from him.
KaI was obviously afraid of Beerus and introduced him as the God of Destruction. Goku knew beforehand that he was a force to be reckoned with and one beyond his own comprehension. That is literally why their first fight even happened, if Goku didn't know he'd simply assume it's one of Kai's friends and make nothing more of it.
Saitama is an unimpressive looking goof who isn't even taken seriously in his own universe. The only chance Goku has at not """being caught off guard""" is if Genos runs in ahead of time, takes the effort to convince Goku that Saitama is really strong, repeats "He's more than he seems" over and over, somehow pulls a camcorder out of his chest to show video footage of Saitama fighting Boros and constantly yells "GOKU! KEEP YOUR GUARD UP!"
Why can't you just admit that Toriyama's writing is horribly inconsistent because even he stopped caring about Dragon Ball? He has probably grown sick of it and just wants to write something else at this point, but can't because Dragon Ball shits money.
>>135680668
Which Superman comics? The ones where he can't fly and only jumps higher than tall buildings? Or the ones where he literally punches reality?
There are at least dozens of Supermen out there after nearly a century of retcons, reboots, alternate realities and parallel universes.
>>135680369
d-damage control. showed y-you
>>135680704
>That's not a casual poke.
It is.
>it was imbued with powerful destruction god ki,
So? All Dragon Ball characters use Ki/Chi to enhance their physical strength and durability.
>>135680759
>Goku knew beforehand that he was a force to be reckoned
Yet still acted cocky "should I dial it down to SS2 from you?"
Face it, Goku wins.
>>135680759
mostly main canon stuff so like post-crisis/post-flashpoint justice league. all the best superman comics ignore powerlevels and focus on his character instead anyway
>>135680900
>Yet still acted cocky
That's an argument in my favor, bruh.
>>135680900
>from
for*
>>135680759
It's definitely not consistent at all.
Plus it gets even more inconsistent if you add in all the filler from the anime.
>>135680712
Yes. People try to use it to say "even Dragonball thinks power levels are dumb" even though Dragonball is one of the worst offenders of power level shenanigan bullshit, with multi-tiered ascending transformations and character fusion techniques while already in a high-tiered transformation state.
The scouters were just about being inaccurate and leading the villains to overconfidence, like how a lie detector doesn't actually detect lies.
>>135680900
>So? All Dragon Ball characters use Ki/Chi to enhance their physical strength and durability.
Then it wasn't a casual poke if he had to enhance his power and concentrate ki to destroy a planet. And as I said before, he channeled Ki into the planet's core, so it wasn't a physical strenght feat, it was just like freezer sending energy to namek's core to destroy it
>>135680759
not that guy but id assume if goku was wanting to have a match with saitama itd be because he knew he was strong. i mean its not like someone like krillin looks impressive at all but krillin is still a badass by human standards so goku should at least be able to know not to judge a book by its cover. toriyamas writing is total ass though
>>135680369
Are you retarded? The post you responded to was never a direct response to OP.
lol this tard
>>135680945
Not really, since he survived an attack from Beerus despite that >>135680590 which means he can take anything Saitama throws at him. Going off of Saitama's feats so far.
>Serious punch
>>135681023
>Then it wasn't a casual poke if he had to enhance his power and concentrate ki to destroy a planet
Wrong that's just how their battle system works.
Still casual.
>>135680320
> I love this scene. Tats hair looks like a copy/paste error and I can't get over it.
>>135678317
>American website
>I thought it was an Indonesian basket weaving forum
My life is in shambles
>>135681098
>since he survived an attack from Beerus despite that
Then why did he get wrecked by a laser ring despite being on a higher state of alertness AND a much, much, much higher level of power?
This is no longer about who can defeat who, it is about the horribly inconsistent writing in Super that only the biggest Dragon Ball fanatic would even hope to defend.
Honestly, this reminds me of when The Phantom Menace came out. Star Wars dorks defended it to death because they didn't want to believe that their beloved franchise had become a joke. Perhaps Super will one go the way of The Phantom Menace and even within Dragonball circles be considered a mockery.
>>135673975
Because when a fanbase grows, its intelligence does not grow proportionally.
>>135674949
read the damn manga king is a pussy with no real power
>MUH FEATS
Awww here it goes.
>>135673975
/v/ fanbases are retarded, what else is new?
>>135681098
>he thinks serious means it's actually serious
Embarassing.
There's an entire character in OPM created to mock featfags like you.
>>135681303
>Then why did he get wrecked by a laser ring despite being on a higher state of alertness AND a much, much, much higher level of power?
Here >>135679115 wasn't your first reply to this post? Keep up.
>>135681311
Seconded. The dragon ball fanbase will always try to pick a fight with any strong character who's getting popular just because they can't get enough of trying to shove goku's dick in everybody's mouths.
>>135681333
Don't even need to read the Manga to know that. He could have helped against Melzagard.
>>135681386
So let me summarize
>Goku got wrecked by a laser ring in SSJGSSJ form because he was overconfident and therefore lowered his guard
>Saitama wouldn't be able to exploit this because when he fought Beerus he was caught off guard yet suffered less damage than inflicted upon him by the laser ring
Do you not see the inherrent contradiction. One that can only be solved by assuming Beerus was severely holding back, if we choose to resolve it at all?
This changes nothing.
>>135677464
>deconstruction
No one around here knows what that means.
>>135681386
>lowers defense
>against a super powerful galaxy destroyer
>knowing that there's still one minion of freezer hiding in front of him
>Doesn't see coming a laser attack that was pretty much telegraphed.
>This nigga, who can see attacks going at speeds thousands of times faster than light, is caught by surprise by a regular laser shot right in front of him
Yeah.
>>135681352
>/v/ fanbases are retarded, what else is new?
We're not talking about LOGH here.
>>135681532
Tell me who are assblated by Superman then
>>135673975
Because shounenfags and normies are literally retarded
>this series is [anon's interpretation of a series]
why do people state opinion as fact, especially when they are speaking about what the author's thoughts are about a work
>>135681532
Just because Goku isn't the strongest doesn't mean you have to stop liking him.
Saitama isn't even in my top 20 but I can acccept that he can one shot my favorite characters because that doesn't somehow make them worse characters.
If you only like a character because they're strong you're doing it wrong.
>>135681486
>>135681528
>what is context?
Those two situations were very different.
>lowers defense
>against a super powerful galaxy destroyer
What? No he didn't.
>knowing that there's still one minion of freezer hiding in front of him
Again wrong.
>>135673975
I don't see how this is even an issue.
We have seen Goku fight for his life with everything he's got and lose. This clearly shows he has limits.
We have never seen Saitama get serious. If you follow the manga, you should know Saitama's strength comes from him breaking his limiter. He has no limit.
If Goku and Saitama were to fight Saitama would just keep raising his powerlevel untill it surpasses Goku's and wreck him.
>>135681656
>Again wrong.
Dude, goku can sense the whole universe through his ki senses, that's pretty much how he can teleport from wherever is Whis's home to earth, there's no fucking way he didn't detect the ki of Sorbet being that close to him, specially because freezer army members don't know how to hide their ki.
>>135681778
>Dude, goku can sense the whole universe
That was because he was focusing on sensing Ki then, while fighting Frieza he wasn't focusing on sensing everyone in the general area.
>>135681656
>What? No he didn't.
So you're saying that Goku, at his maximum power and fully engaged in combat, without lowering his defenses, can get destroyed by a laser ring?
>B-but muh off guard though
By that logic, any time an enemy has attacked him from behind or in an otherwise unexpected move throughout DBZ, his face should've been shattered by the pure, universe busting power of their punches and kicks.
>>135673975
>Superman gets crowned, King of the mountain
>DBZfags gotta take out their rage on a gag character
Seriously, this is like people getting mad at Superman losing to Squirrel Girl or Popeye after a can of spinach. It's just something silly you accept that happens
>>135680103
Mexicans are the only ones defending DBS, everyone else is shitting on it
>>135679166
so opm is a deconstruction because...?
>>135681865
Never mind I thought you meant Beerus not Frieza.
>B-but muh off guard though
Yep happened before.
>>135681916
>it only took 4 of you to beat me
>>135673975
>>A series meant to poke fun at the concept of powerlevels and shonen clichés
>OP seriously doesnt know that ONE is the biggest powerlevelfag to ever live
Nice headcannon faggot, but by all means, keep digging that stupid hole
>>135681916
>Squirrel Girl or Popeye
Not really, both characters have good feats to match their hype unlike Saitama.
>>135674824
The rankings aren't power levels though. It's more like level of fame/recognition. For example King is widely considered the strongest human (even if falsely) but only 7th ranked because he isn't very active.
>>135682006
>In Dragonball
>Against a more or less equally matched opponent
Entirely different things. We're talking about fucking Sorbet and his piece of shit ring against a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. In other words, something that may very well be weaker than the beam you depicted versus a living god.
>>135674824
ONE even goes as far as to compare characters from OPM to other series in a who is stronger than who fashion, yet people still spout the "He's mocking powerlevels!" meme
>>135681311
Can we sticky that please?
>>135682126
B-but muh variable power ring!
B-but muh gold freezer ki charged ring!
>>135682126
>Entirely different things.
Not really, both times Goku let his guard down because he thought the battle was over and won.
Here Goku is tanking a island level attack from Piccolo. While in the other pic he gets injured by a much meager attack when his guard was down.
>>135680668
Superman lifted 5.9 sextillion tons for 5 days 24/7, he is at least 2 billion times faster than the speed of light and virtually indestructible since he can survive blackholes and anti-matter.
DBZfags think Superman is weak just because his fights are not gay and over the top like DBZ, when in reality Superman heavily tone down his power and speed to spiderman-like levels in the everyday.
Superman demolishes Goku any day, and that is not counting Goldy Superman who charged his powers for 15 millenniums inside the super-sun after he got Gold-like powers from the gates of heaven.
>>135676505
He lifted the weight of Infinity. That's right, Infinity. It's been established as Canon.
>>135681098
>Muh Feats
>>135682246
>Gold-like powers
Did he become a jew?
>>135682316
Superman is jew
one above all the fucks both
>>135682223
I really do hope you understand the difference between
>Two equally matched opponents being equally matched when both are paying attention
>One having a massive advantage when the other is caught off guard
and
>A literal living god being felled in one blow by what should, to him, be the equivalent of a bee's sting
We have no reason to believe Sorbet's laser is any stronger than Raditz, and we at the very least have the damn near guarantee that it's weaker than the Ginyu Force. Even the Ginyu Force, which Goku defeated before going Super Saiyan, is many, many orders of magnitude below SSJGSSJ Goku.
We're back at the start, where you resort to the theory that Goku was entirely absentminded in his fight against Golden Frieza but somehow would be on full alert against Saitama, which you then rebuke by referring to Beerus which is in itself an inconsistency with the Golden Frieza fight unless we assume Beerus was severely holding back.
We're going in circles here.
>>135682246
Superman also got his ass kicked by Alfred.
Alright I have a few serious questions for you guys
Is OPM an action comedy?
Is OPM a gag manga?
Is OPM a deconstruction?
Is OPM a generic shounen with a few jokes?
And what about it qualifies to fit your definition of the series?
>>135673975
It's basically OPM fags and a few DBZ fags making the damn things.
Then it boils down to both sides refusing to admit their favorite characters would lose with both of them calling each-other autistic.
One uses feats.
Other uses something else.
Both are retarded and make DBfags(which little we see after Super) and OPMfags (who already look like /v/tier posters) appear like shit to avoid like the plague.
>>135680517
yeah, man, SSG uses .flac.
>>135682383
Because it's Batman's butler anon
>>135682386
Everyone will answer differently, and I'm pretty sure there is a correct answer that ONE has provided at some point, but if you ask my uneducated opinion it's an action comedy about a gag character existing in an otherwise normal shounen world.
It's not a deep deconstruction of the genre, at best Saitama is a parody character.
>>135673975
I never understood this, the dbz fanboys think goku would win and yet goku has been shown multiple times to have his ass wrecked and even killed from time to time all while saitama is literal embodiment of overpowered bullshit and has not lost once.
>>135682386
A little bit of everything you mentioned, and I have to say, the series is too "early" yet to define easily but that's the idea.
>>135681649
I only watch good anime like yuru yuri and gochiusa
>>135679022
>Goku's feats
Powering up and using flashy effects?
>>135682379
I really do hope you understand this >>135679115
>A literal living god being felled in one blow
>one blow
Wrong Goku had taken lots of damage before he was hit by the ray gun.
Face it Goku beats Saitama. Until Saitama shows us better feats.
>>135682559
>Wrong Goku had taken lots of damage before he was hit by the ray gun.
Are you implying that, despite acting so cocky to Frieza, he was at that point a shambling wreck only one sub-Raditz laser beam away from collapsing?
Do we need this thread every day?
Can we just wait a few years? OPM is not over and we have no idea what Saitama can and can't do.
>You don't get it the point is he wins every fight with one punch because he broke his limiter/that's the joke.
>N-no, you don't get it, Goku and Beerus almost destroyed the universe just by exchanging blows, their power is maximum.
I'm still not sure which side I despise more.
So, so, let me ask you: can The Hulk beat Saitama?
The Hulk gets angrier the longer he fights.
So, he keeps powering up during a fight.
Saitama gets more excited to fight an enemy he doesn't beat in one punch.
Saitama keeps powering up at an equal pace to the Hulk powering up.
Who wins? An infinite rage, or an infinite excitement?
>>135680237
>Goku can't sense any ki
OPM has ki, though.
>>135682383
Did you read the part were "Superman heavily tone down his power and speed to spiderman-like levels in the everyday.", retarded beaner?
>A series meant to poke fun at the concept of powerlevels and shonen clichés
>Madhouse play all the fight scenes entirely straight
B r a v o
Dragonball fanbase are just nostalgiafags that cant let go, the kind of people that supported fanfics like dragonball af and hated gt because they couldnt let their favorite anime/manga to end. OPM is doing nicely, is new stuff and mainly a gag manga/anime, yet DBfags cant accept that even a comedy character could beat their hero.
It's autism, simply autism. I wouldn't pin it entirely on people who like DBZ, just the autists. Because it's so popular it's not stupid to say that a lot of shades of sperg like it. If any one of these spergs saw someone insulting their CHILDHOOD HERO on an anime image board they would simply not stand for it.
Honestly I think the only reason that OPM fags aren't as much like this is simply because it's not as popular.
>>135682383
Injustice was pretty stupid but this entire scene was worth everything
>There's nothing worth saving here
No chill
>>135682383
Apparently you never read the comic Injustice: Gods Among us. The Super Pills made your strength equivalent to Superman's strength.
>>135682650
He has worse regen than Boros, so no.
>>135680684
I love how no one respond to this.
>>135682650
I wouldn't bother comparing Saitama and the Hulk. The Hulk fought Superman in the Amalgam Universe and lost to him.
>>135682722
And was plainly retarded, injustice is like hurr durr DC can make something edgy to appeal for new fans.
>>135682650
Could Saitama lift the Mjolnir?
>>135676505
Read Final Crisis.
>>135682796
selfless, non ill intended and plainly heroic, i think he could
>>135682787
Injustice butchered Superman as a character
>>135682787
>injustice is like hurr durr DC can make something edgy to appeal for new fans.
That's like 90% of new comics. Hell, Multiversity was basically a long drawn out way of saying "fuck you" to that kind of writing in comics books.
>>135682815
Are you Insane? That comic series, along with Infinite Crisis, is borderline unreadable due to how complex and over-arching it is. Only a true Comic book fan, and I do mean a devoted one, can enjoy final crisis.
OST WHEN FUCKING SAKESaitama > Reality Warpers
>>135682559
Too bad DBZverse is easy as shit to destroy, it can be destroyed by screaming
>>135682956
January 13
I've only watched the anime and I have no interest in Power Level bullshit. But OPM accepted a level of seriousness when Sea King was introduced, and with it was nurtured with Boros. With that seriousness comes the actual implications of how strong Saitama is. It's no longer "Because it's funny"
>>135682880
I think you didn'tem get Multiversity.
>>135680684
Full powered super saiyan.
I never understood why they never did that for any other form.
Just Toriyamas inconsistent writing?
>>135683181
>Villain is a physical manifestation of the time people waste reading and arguing over shit like comic books
>The only hero who can fight back against Empty Hand is Shazam because he's the only "pure" good hero left uncorrupted by edginess
There was a large element of it
DBZ characters aren't that tough to begin with. I mean Kirby beat Majin buu, so the bar can't be that high.
>>135682680
I bet you're one of those fedora tipping, hipster faggot, buzzword, autistic cuckolds who said that the anime should have been in ONE's "style"
>>135683473
Kirby>>Saitama
>>135683479
>This mad people don't like the way madhouse handled a comedy adaptation by removing half the comedy
lol
>>135683820
Yup.
How the fuck did he get beaten in canon?
Dude stopped the punch just before it hit him?
Also when will white hair = crazy end?
>Mumen Rider finds the Mjolner in the middle of the street while helping preschoolers across the crosswalk
>he moves it out of the path of traffic
>Mumen Rider is now the Asgard Rider and bicycles on rainbows
You faggots would argue over anything, Saitama or Squirrel Girl
OPM and this image makes trolling Dragonball Z fans a no-brainer
>>135682246
yeah then he got one shotted by a aquaman villain.superman would beat the shit out of pre-super goku btw
>>135676597
Garou pls go
>>135684159
so if normal energy weapons can hurt goku in his strongest form couldn't sups just use his heat vision on him?
>>135682745
Zeus was using his magic to null it.
>>135677464
Nice shitposting streak
http://desustorage.org/a/search/image/L-VibctHwJsgQRTtckkM7w/
>>135677729
>>135677840
Shounen is demographics not a genre, you fucking retards. It's published in Tonari no Young Jump which is seinen.
>>135683597
>People
>implying your opinion is a popular one
>implying your a person
>implying the world wouldnt improve if you were to just jump off a bridge
>>135682872
It's alternate version anyway. Do you know that in current post-flashpoint universe there is powered down and with his identity revealed to whole world Clark Kent and survivor of Convergence, pre-flashpoint Superman with his Lois and their son, hiding for few years
>>135682386
Yes, yes, no, no.
It's action comedy-parody of battle shounens, sentai and capeshit.
>>135684372
Zeus is a Skyfather. He can shit on Hulk whenever he wants
>>135682796
>>135683864
He would be better Thor than that cunt Jane Foster
>>135679115
You know... that doesn't really help your argument. You've just proven that Goku has to concentrate in order to keep his defense up. Meaning that he's otherwise vulnerable while released or not paying attention.
Whereas Saitama's pretty much invincible regardless.
So, good job proving that Goku would loose.
>>135685225
>capeshit
No Capes!
>>135685322
It's derrogatory term for superhero comics, and Saitama has cape.
>>135673975
Because DBZfags get angry easier this way. I never watched even one episode of OPM, nor read the webcomic, yet I use Saitama in any discussion regarding powerfull characters to state that Goku is a jobber.Why? Because it's funny
>>135684262
In the rematch against Super Cyan, Superman does use his heat vision to destroy his brain.
>>135682768
Yeah, but given all those fights were based on fan votes, I wouldn't put much stock in it. Wolverine beat fucking Lobo for God's sake and Lobo has gone toe to toe with Superman.
>>135685515
>you can't beat him goku
there are like 2 people stronger then raditz in oneverse
>>135685696
Which means there are at least two people stronger than Sorbet's laser ring in Oneverse.
>>135685696
Not including Saitama right? Not even a planet buster.
>>135686166
Poor Boros, he was like Goku if he went evil and went around destroying planets in search of a worthy opponent, and just like goku, got rekt by an opponent stronger than he expected.
>>135682288
Are you referring to the book of infinite pages? The same book that Ultraman read cover-to-cover, meaning that it's NOT infinite?
>>135673975
Goku because his anime isn't egregious.
>>135682288
>>135686314
>Expecting comic book writers to understand baic mathematics
Infinity is a really stupid concept which only works in theoretical mathematics, and even then under very special circumstances (see Hilbert's Hotel: Infinity + 1 = Infinity, Infinity x 2 = Infinity and Infinity x Infinity = Infinity).
Just roll with it nigger, even though the definition of infinity is that it never ends Ultraman somehow managed to find a finite end to an infinite book. Kind of like how the Flash can percieve events that last less than an attosecond, yet still ran straight into Deathstroke's blade.
>>135685282
WOW that was awesome! :D
>>135685282
>BY THE GODS WHAT THE FUCK
I laughed
Saitama is power man incarnate
He can do anything and beat anyone
Stop arguing about stupid shit
