Why Japan doesn't make more deep and intelectual anime like they used to make in the past?
Everything nowadays is cute girls doing cute things crap or high school love comedy with a beta male MC and every girl falling in love with him.
>>135630021
Is this the smug anime girl thread?
Because people who watch anime grew dumb, that's why.
There is need to make something intellectual if weebs are going to ignore it or call it pretentious.
Cute girls doing cute things is where the money is at.
I guess most anime fans want to watch cute girls doing cute things and idiotic harem protagonistst.
>>135630296
It can be whatever we want it to be.
>>135630021
>>135630316
>>135630326
>>135630327
>>135630021
What is Penguindrum
>>135630021
Anime is evolving into being commercials featuring cute girls.
it doesnt maeik moni
anime is in financial decline
>>135630296
A simple flash forward/back is already confusing to some anons and you need some acceptable writing to deliver those "deep" and "intellectual" lines without making it look tryhard/a laughing stock but then those are subjective. Time to make some money and produce yourself I guess.
>>135630316
>>135630617
Not to mention that to make something "deep" you need to put a little more effort than to make cute girls.
OP, stop kidding yourself, if you want something to reflect on go read a book and stop being a lazy fuck.
>>135630410
Having previously been commercials for toy robots.
>>135630021
Economics
>>135630021
But lain was a cute girl doing cute things.
Anime was never good. Now move on with your life.
>>135633116
>lain was a cute
I don't know about that
>>135634684
No, Lain was definitely a cute.
well, how are you defining "intellectual"? are you talking about that pretentious shit called Evangelion? I did like Eve no Jikan though, seems more relevant now that there are good advances in robotics.
>>135630021
Because it doesn't sell well, just like in any other medium.
>>135635898
/thread
>>135635871
>pretentious
You're using that word again, I don't think you know what it means
>>135634538
What anime taught you that? Sounds like the most chain-breaking revelation.
>>135635987
I suspect you don't know what it means and thus find it objectionable
>>135636246
Why is Evangelion pretentious then?
>>135630021
There was YKA and Concrete bullshit last year. It's not that nobody is trying, it's just that it takes a while for a masterpeice to come along.
>>135636163
Watching the small handful of anime actually worth watching and then realizing they're 5/10 at best. Shit industry desu.
>>135636339
You must be pretty critical then. There are hundreds of series worth watching.
>>135636442
>You must be pretty critical then.
I am. The general aesthetic of anime is awful, not sure how people can sit through that shit.
>>135636319
>YKA
>Deep and reflective
It was pretty much punching you in the face with its themes. Ikuhara's weakest work by a longshot.
>>135636551
Because live action TV has always had generally abysmal storyboarding and western cartoon aesthetics have been worse since the early 2000s?
>>135630407
>get a load of this guy
>>135630021
>Everything nowadays
>nowdays
>>135630316
>weebs
>cute girls doing cute things is where the money is at
You don't know shit about anime, not even enough to even know what is airing this season and what percentage is is CGDCT.
I fell for this shitty bait.
the judeo-christian imagery as the staff of the show had already admitted to being just for show without any actual understanding. Roadscendant One? Seriously? As if the name for the car couldn't have been say "Takumi Dorifuto" for a just a name of a car, but to put a name like that on a car? In the end it was just another mecha story with another crying girl (like amuro) named shinji (although I don't think amuro would fap to sayla while she's in the hospital as funny as it would have been to see him cry while doing it) without the facade of adding the biblical context to try to dramatize it into something it clearly isn't about.
>>135636626
It was still an attempt.
>>135636674
>Because live action TV has always had generally abysmal storyboarding
Kek, something like Fargo has a lot more to say in a single episode than any CGDCT cartoon does in seasons of psuedo philosophical nonsense written for stunted individuals who are too lazy to open a book.
>>135636842
truth
>>135636944
Digital coloring is shit.
>>135636944
True as always, and as always OP is new as fuck and hasn't watched enough anime and knows fuck all.
>>135636837
Using imagery and admitting that it's not supposed to be symbolic is not pretentious, nor is it anything new in the industry of art.
>>135637071
>cherry picking
How many actual creators and japanese critics has to say that there are more moeshit than ever for the board that only cares about moeshit admit it? Oh wait....this shit panders to you....
>>135630021
I'm sick to death of Japans attempt at "deep and intellectual"
For every time they get it right there's about 6 others that are just painful to watch
>>135636842
>Kek
Back to where you belong.
>>>/v/
>>135637159
as if art can't be pretentious? yeah, you keep telling yourself that. back to NGE, then why even call references to genesis in the title like it's some focal point of the story? it's just another high school drama about some mental kid?
>>135636842
I've watched two episodes of Fargo.
Is it that good?
I watched anime called Shinsekai Yori yesterday, it was new, deep and intellectual
Maybe you're not looking in the right places
>>135637506
fargo is excellent
>>135637358
Nobody is forcing you to watch shit shows. Just watch the good ones and move on,.
There is literally nothing wrong with cute lolis.
What are you, a normie?
>>135637413
I never said art couldn't be pretentious.
>why even call references to genesis in the title like it's some focal point of the story?
I don't see why this, the imagery, and the religious titling of plot devices makes the series itself and its content pretentious when the plot is unaffected and everything that is introduced logically fits together into a plot that is explained and utilized. Compare to Ergo Proxy where its content actually is pretentious, introducing things that are never elaborated on, and attempts to be something that it isn't, affecting the plot, character development, etc. Evangelion is not affected in this way, nor does it ever come across as being too ostentatious or something that it isn't. You just don't like Shinji. That's all I'm getting from your posts.
>>135630021
Alex, can I have "Monogatari Series" for 600?
>>135637581
>>135630021
>lain
>deep and intellectual
aka i only watch Miyazaki movies because they're the ones most know in the US.
And maybe dragon ball.
"Philosophy" in most anime is cancer because it makes characters unlikable and pretensious.
Anime is supposed to be fairly enojoyable and escape from reality (MC is someone that watchers can relate to)
If you think that older was any more deep than today you're fucking delusional, just because
you have watched older anime that was prised, situation was about the same it is now, there was same amount of low-budget crappy OVAs that virtually nobody remembers them.
Go fuck yourself and circlejerk yourself to death with your "INTJ mensa-tier IQ" friends
>>135638355
>Anime is supposed to be fairly enjoyable and escape from reality
Oh boy, the expert on what all animation is supposed to be about has arrived to the thread
You are a fucking moron
>>135638355
>I don't like it so it's shit
Stick to your stuff without sticking your dick in others' dish,
>>135638355
>"Philosophy" in most anime is cancer because it makes characters unlikable and pretensious.
I bet you've never read or watched GitS
>>135630021
I swear we need like a sticky for this topic or something, it's every day we have this thread now.
>>135637790
Definition Pretentious as defined by merriam-webster
a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing)
b : expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature
So lets get to the point, you called me out on the use of the word "pretentious" so given that the story of EVA isn't about anything biblical, wouldn't you call it unwarranted given how important a role that religion plays in a global sense? Religion is a loaded subject, with it comes a host of impressions, expectations and hidden biases. Served up as some garnish I was frankly surprised people didn't storm out of their homes with pitch forks and torches. Or for the people that didn't care, why was it even brought up, to mask the terrible initial point the characters were starting from for character development? Yeah, shinji's a teenager, we get it. Being a teen is tough, but most get through it without the problems that he had gotten himself into. Asuka losing a parent is tough. Doesn't mean you turn into a bitch because of it. Maybe if the staff hadn't let it out of the bag that it was just there for looks there could have been some argument that it shows how empty religion is in the face of mental disorders and the problems that face people of modern society. but that isn't the case at all. That's only considering the first half of the tv series with giving benefit of doubt from the movies that cleared up the cluster fuck that was the second half of the tv series as Gainax was running out of funds (maybe could have ditched some of the garnish to speed up production buddy). I haven't personally seen Ergo Proxy, but from what I hear, it's been roundly routed as being pretentious. It's not that I didn't only like shinji, I didn't like the characters at all, and that was supposed to be the achievement of the series, well if you start at whiny little shits, it's not much of a surprise that they've developed so much now is it?
>>135638704
I'll give you that the 90's boom may have been caused by economy, but the other two examples are chicken and egg arguments
Also, harems are not a new thing, look at Ranma and Urusei Yatsura
>>135638914
there were probably another 20 series just like ranma and UY that were harem series but people don't remember because it was so long ago too
>>135636837
The Judeo-Christian imagery was simply there because it made the show have an exotic feeling, and people who say that it has a deep meaning in the context of Evangelion are lying.
That being said, if you think that Eva is some sort of full of itself story because that imagery is meaningless then I'm really sorry for you. I'm not saying its some stupid 2deep4you shit. Honestly, Eva is pretty straight forward in its messages and themes, and only requires multiple viewings to pick up on the subtle foreshadowing from earlier in the series and small pieces of character development that eventually add up. But it is far from just a mecha show, frankly the mecha parts actually take the back seat in the latter third of the show and are just the foil for a story of coming of age and accepting life as it is.
>>135639180
It's because they were to shitty
>>135638914
The post doesn't even mention harems...
>>135630021
They do. Just this fall there was Gatchaman Crowds Insight.
>>135637310
>moeshit
>Japanese critics love Miyazaki's shit which is full of moe
>Creators when free to make what they want make shorts which are full of moe as seen in the expo
Go back to /v/
>>135639343
>self-fulfillment fantasy
Nowadays the difference is thin, so I mentioned harem
>>135638914
This. The LN and 'moe boom' bit are bullshit. See Crest of the Stars and other LN adaptions beforehand. The LN adaption boom is more about the success of Shana and Haruhi. "Moe boom' doesn't exist since that in itself doesn't make any sense considering what moe means
>>135639269
or they're reading too deeply into it and finding meaning in something that's not there. again, the religion based stuff, because it wasn't just judeo christian imagery that was thrown on top wasn't necessary in any way to the story. The meaningless imagery probably did have a huge effect on the production. Instead of a tight story that didn't and continues to draw ire viewers got a shit fest that was the second half of the tv series that required a movie to clean up. a huge gamble, although it ultimately paid off, but going back to OP, that is why you don't see stunts like EVA anymore. So you can save your "I'm really sorry for you" for someone else who gets economics.
yes, glad to see we agree that the character development was the key point to EVA. Their stories just didn't resonate with me, and felt overdone. having had lost a parent myself growing up, asuka's development was total trash (maybe cultural differences?) but when a large portion of the story doesn't work for you, it'll be a very tough sell on the rest of it, especially when there's ayanami and shinji (considering how I didn't like his whiny character either).
Is this some sort of copy pasta thread
I swear it's the lain bear picture every time too.
>>135639736
Yeah, there are plenty of US Eva fans that, for whatever reason, try to make the religious symbolism into something that has real meaning, but most people get corrected when they try to do that at this point. And I agree a good amount about about why we don't see shows that go out on a limb to do something different like Eva anymore, though I personally loved the second half the the series a ton, including the last two episodes.
I totally understand that if the characters didn't resonate for you that it would be hard to enjoy the show, I personally love all the characters but hey to each their own. Also, the "I'm really sorry for you" was only for if you didn't like it based on that one thing, rather than having a more legitimate reason such as not enjoying the characters. I'm glad that we have a general consensus though, even though we have differing opinions about the show itself.
>>135640010
just checking that this is /a/, for all intents and purposes, I thought no one was allowed to dislike or hate EVA.
>>135640262
if you believe such things then please do not participate here
>>135640262
>you can't hate EVA on /a/
>>135640262
Haha, yeah this is /a/, I just see no reason to get upset at someone for not relating to the characters. I mean, its my favorite show, but its not gonna resonate with everyone like it did with me.
Or am I supposed say something like. "You dislike my favorite show you dumb butt, how dare you not think it is perfect. What, was it 2deep4u?"
But seriously, no need for autistic bullshit like that.
>>135640328
and there we have it, closure.
If people actually thought Lain was deep, they need to finish middle school.
>>135640505
Have you done your homework, musume?
>>135630021
Consider this:
Almost everything but moe garbage consists of story lines that involve conflict and suspense, it's constantly off the walls. Other than moe garbage what can you think of that is just "nice" to watch. Sure there is conflict, comedy, drama, etc but for the most part "nice" is the forefront, the only other thing I can think of that does this is games like Animal Crossing or Harvest Moon, or bands like Sigur Ros.
I would argue that moe garbage is a more necessary form of entertainment than deep anime, because there are less mediums actually trying to be what moe garbage is.
>>135640914
>I would argue that moe garbage is a more necessary form of entertainment than deep anime
translation:
>emotional masturbation is more important than complex art meant to stimulate thinking and challenge your perspective on certain subjects
if we didn't have moe crap, then what would densha otoko have watched and fapped to? without densha otoko, moot wouldn't have had an otaku to fap to and thus decide to make 4chan.
>>135641154
More important than "deep" anime that's for sure
I didn't say that moe garbage is better than every piece of art. All i'm arguing is it does something that is rarely found in most entertainment, therefore I don't think it's as cancerous as people think.
Of course I might be biased, I have been mentally stimulated by other pieces of art, but so called deep anime falls flat when it actually comes to depth, I would much rather watch something that is comfortable with what it is than attempting some poor excuse for, "criticism of religion", "self aware parody of *blank*" and or "Basing the entire plot on babies first philosophical concept"
Now imagine that all this Eva discussion is just one guy samefagging
>>135641548
who says it isn't?
>>135630021
>why dont studios make MASTER PIECE deep and mature intellectual anime like once every 5 years and every inbetween shit only crap of it semi-regulary and make OVA's
Well, you see anon, they still do. You fucking /v/ermin
>>135642194
Congrats on making such an original and insightful post that we haven't seen 50 times in this thread already.
>>135642319
Congrats on make an OP based on ignorance and assumptions that hasn't already be seen at least a few millions times already
>>135642433
>implying I'm the OP
Try again you stupid faggot
>>135642646
You may as well be
>>135641461
>More important than "deep" anime that's for sure
More important for you maybe.
The only way to objectively define what's more or less important is to look at the sales, but then again, the viewers don't really care about that, unless they are some obsessed autists. If you don't like a genre, you don't give a shit about how important or influential it is.
>>135630021
Because it's hard to reach a big audience, somehow..
Read some manga and you will probably see really cool things, but companies simply cant go the risk of making something that may become deep.
Aside from that, they need to fit it in what's usually 12 episodes and ~20 minutes nowadays.
There is some good ones that are new tough. You are probably just a faggot who looks at the covers and drop them after one episode or earlier.
>>135630021
Because when they try they get critically panned and never finished.
>>135630021
Most people aren't very smart and as such don't want to watch "deep and intellectual" things. Like it or not, the majority decides things. As mentioned already in the thread, every medium suffers from this, it's just more prominent in today's anime. If more variety is what you're after, you should join the manga master race.
>>135630021
>everything nowadays is cute girls doing cute things
Someone post that Usenet thread.
>>135644506
>>135644431
>Most people aren't very smart and as such don't want to watch "deep and intellectual" things.
The west begs to differ with their cost flow of 'deep and intellectual' 'storys' and the demand for their pretentious pseudo-intellectual shit. There has never been the much of this type of anime because the Elevens treat anime what it fucking is, Entertainment. Anyone who wants the industry to continently shit out story based things instead of things which aims to be entertainment is stupid. A constant flow of enjoyable entertainment with the occasional above average story is shittons better than a constant flow of below average storys, with extra rare good ones and nothing being made with the intent of being entertainment
>>135645281
>The west begs to differ with their cost flow of 'deep and intellectual' 'storys' and the demand for their pretentious pseudo-intellectual shit
What? That's absolutely not true, west asks for the trashy pandering garbage like Star Wars and capeshit.
>>135645281
What's wrong with having an entertaining story? I don't think anyone is saying the industry should be entirely composed of series with well written stories and a good cast. That would be asking too much.
Also, the plural is "stories" not "storys."
>>135645478
But, there is entertaining stories every season, anon. Quite a few of them are anime originals as well. But, people pass them up for not being deep and mature for a deep and mature person such as myself, which is what this thread is complaining about. Those sort of things have always been rare and normally aren't very good.
>>135645812
I never said there weren't. I typically read more manga anyway, so it doesn't matter all that much to me. The animu industry may be on the decline in terms of variety, but manga has been alive and well for years now. I suppose if I had to pick something that grinds my gears personally, it's all the formulaic LN adaptations we get. There are so many decent manga that will probably never get adapted, yet we get these sub-par LN adaptations every season. It's just something that's baffled me for a while now.
>>135644431
Who is this qt
>>135630021
>deep and intellectual
>accompanies post with lain
:^)
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