Is he still right?
>>135614280
No. Iron Blood Orphans is good sci-ft.
There is very little scifi being produced anywhere. Scifi is one of the most challenging genres.
He's not wrong
>>135614280
I'm offended that you would even entertain the idea of a wife-beater being right.
>>135614492
This
There should be no doubt he is right. period.
>>135614492
>I'm offended
>He hit women so his opinion doesn't matter
Sure is tumblr in here.
>putting the blame on moe when mecha is the number one reason for the complete creative bankruptcy of sci-fi anime
Literally who?
STOP LIKING THE WRONG THINGS!!!
he's not unless you believe in stupid shit like realistic sci fi
>>135614956
>>135614361
Bravo Nolan!
>>135614280
Didn't this faggot get arrested recently?
>>135614280
Mardock Scramble is trash.
He only has himself to blame for making turd. It is not that scifi isn't produced but what the scifi that they are making are turning off the masses.
>>135615193
This. His only good stuff is Fafner and Chevalier d'Eon.
>>135615144
My favourite recent scifi movie is and remains Moon. But I haven't really remained up-to-date.
Are you saying Nolan has made good science fiction?
>>135614346
Top lele m8
G-Reco was more sci-fi than IBSHIT
>>135615376
Have you watched Ex Machina? It's pretty good too.
>>135614492
Being an asshole doesn't unqualify your opinion.
>>135615470
Yes it does.
>oh shit, my animu failed, better blame otaku and moe
>>135615464
Downloading now.
>>135615470
Generally yes it does. That's the world you live in buddy.
>>135615193
I liked Mardock Scramble.
>>135615356
Fafner was average. Chevalier was decent.
>I'm scared to try something because the current trend is moe.
Fuck off.
>>135614280
>Mardock Scramble
He's right about his own work. It's moe, not scifi.
Moe isn't even incompatible with sci-fi.
Sci-fi sets the setting, then you can populate that with cute girls doing cute things.
>>135614492
There's nothing wrong with hitting or beating up a women
it's 2016, equality for all
>>135615940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3cd9dLKF_A
>>135615601
Explain Trump's popularity.
>>135615921
Priorities.
>>135615992
Trump wants to make a better world
he will make faggots and homosexual freak pay the price
>>135615992
Old bigoted people are still alive.
>>135616057
Spoken like a true cuck
>>135616196
Spoken like a trueclasscuck
>>135616057
>bigoted
Can't wait untill trumps get elected, we had enough of your "kind"
![subahibi41[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/P2PxfcN.jpg "subahibi41[1].jpg")
>>135614280
I don't think moe is to blame, you can package any themes or ideas using moe. Eroge writers figured that out years ago.
The problem is that most themes in anime revolve around escapism and disregard everything else. Not to mention some nips view SF and Fantasy like a cosmetic change or a reskin without any impact on plot or characters. It's the same high-school setting now with Fantasy/SF reskin.
>>135615891
I hate Ubukata as much as the next guy, but he's an authority on SF. He has his own summit even.
>>135615376
Interstellar was good.
>>135614834
TOOMBLR?!?!
>>135615921
There needs to be more Uchuu no Stellvia type of animu.
>>135616196
I'm not your therapist, I don't get paid to deal with your psychosexual disorders that you need to bring into every political topic
>>135616245
Visually, it's really great sci-fi. All the "love transcends space and time" shit made me puke.
>>135616270
Pfft, spoken like a true Oldtype whose soul is still weighed down by gravity. I bet you can't even pull off a proper Inazuma Kick.
![[Nubles] Space Battleship Yamato 2199 (2012) episode 8 (720p 10 bit AAC).mkv_snapshot_06.54_[2013.08.11_21.42.51].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YrD3X29.jpg "[Nubles] Space Battleship Yamato 2199 (2012) episode 8 (720p 10 bit AAC).mkv_snapshot_06.54_[2013.08.11_21.42.51].jpg")
You won't really find thought provoking sci-fi anywhere other than in literature. It's been always like that. Only in literature you can create an amazing world without any budgetary constraints.
>>135614492
He was released without charge, tumblr.
>>135616515
He's also publishing a story about his experience.
>>135616552
Didn't he already do that with mardock scramble?
>>135615179
That guy is Go Nakanishi, not Tow, retard.
>>135616203
>he thinks the class system is arbitrary
Class mobility is generational
>>135616458
>budgetary constraints
You're kidding, right? Hollywood tends to blow at least half of its budget on special effects. Even if hard scifi tends not to sell much, there is enough rooms for such things.
>>135616552
>the sudden explosion of pain in my fingers has etched itself into my memory. I say pain, but you must understand that there was nothing negative about it. The sensation was proof of my action, was a confirmation of my punch connecting, and that is how I interpreted it in that moment. I vividly remember (or have I fabricated it in my mind?) the way her head rocked to the side, with a wave of flesh rippling all over her face, an underlining of the punishment she had received from my hand. What a glorio... [click to read more]
>>135616458
It's not the budget, it's that most people don't care about the difference between magic and science.
>>135614280
Sci-Fi in general seems to be in flux. A good amount some year, little the next, etc., and not just in Japan. I don't think it has anything to do with moe. Unless the world gets Space-Race 2.0, I think it will go the way of Cowboy films for a while eventually. Our world has gotten technologically advanced to the point where new tech is mostly just improvements on old tech, nothing like when Sci-Fi was born as a genre when they were just starting to make sense of electricity, or when the Space-Race started and revolutionary tech changed people's very lives.
Luckily people like Nihei are around to keep the vision alive.
>>135616724
No there isn't. Hollywood targets all their movies at popcorn munching mouth breathers. It's all business where you aim at lowest common denominator.
Not to mention you can't really put that much info dumping in a 120min movie compared to a book. Imagine making a Red Mars movie and spending 30min explaining Mars clock and calendar.
>>135616770
Probably because your average person isn't very smart.
>>135616724
>Hollywood tends to blow at least half of its budget on special effects
You mean advertising. It's sad but that's where a lot of the money goes, not into special effects.
>should we make a new sci-fi anime?
>no, let's just sit around and complain about "moe"
>>135616825
>new tech is mostly just improvements on old tech
It's always been like this, you moron.
>living in a time of unprecedented scientific and technological advancement
>doesn't realize it
>>135616910
With what money? They won't give you a decent budget for something unsafe.
Series like Planetes are complete anomalies.
>>135616825
>nihei
>penis worm
>cute girl getting a dick
Hahahahahahaha.
Good one.
I hate to say it but muv luv is saving the sci fi genre with their quantum mechanics theory when they are not busy making shitty spinoff.
>>135614280
What does he mean by "authentic sci-fi"? Is he talking about hard sci-fi?
I don't think that was ever common.
>>135614280
He was never right. In fact, Japanese science fiction has the most unique variety in the 21st century. No other region flaunts scifi mecha, cyberpunk, dystopia, ARG, mahou shoujo, shounen opera, or lightspeed war drama like Japan does and continues to do. Its Hollywood trying to buy out Japanese scifi properties to use in movies today, not the other way around.
He can be frustrated with the state of the industry being directed towards the otaku and the fujoshi, but that statement about science fiction is marketing hogwash.
>complains about moe
>produces K, a show with tons of unnecessary otaku, fujoshi and loli fanservice
>>135616910
When the new GiTS movie underperforms as fuck might not as well try.
>>135617129
He probably means sci-fi like GiTS and mardock.
>>135617268
At least he's not a pussy, he can beat up his women good
we all should learn from him
>>135614492
True. He's been always right from the moment he punched that bitch.
>>135617268
>it sells well enough to get a second season
The only reason I like old anime trends better is because we had loads of scifi AND cute girls.
These days its just over saturated shit or shows that are only scifi on some dumb superficial level.
>>135616963
You're the moron. Things like Computers and Networks have revolutionized the world because they were brand new concepts that were only just being incubated around the early 1900s, if you don't count Babbage and Ada Lovelace.
I'm not saying we're not in a time of advancement, it's just that right now there aren't really any ideas that are revolutionary enough to change the very way we live like it had changed life from the 1950s onward.
>>135617282
The new GiTS is trash.
It shouldn't even be mentioned next to the original GiTS or the laughing man/individual eleven arc.
The writers lost the plot.
>>135617335
>Things like Computers
Started as better calculators - literally an improvement of already existing tech. That was how they worked. But they've been improved at an amazing rate that shows no signs of slowing down, even though people say it should.
Now you get smart phones which are such an insane idea that 50 years ago nobody even imagined it. They had flying cars in their scifi, and laser weapons, but nobody could imagine smart phones.
It's continuing.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
>>135617432
Cell phones and portable computers were imagined 50 years ago.
>>135617530
Portable phones are not the same as smart phones.
The computers of 1966 were still barely better than mechanical calculators. Most of the ones in public use didn't even have screens yet.
>>135617630
Star Trek had an AI in a floating trunk sized AI. Granted, it was a failed prototype and tried to kill everyone.
The real difference is that every idiot has a portable computer now and they can use it to view any kind of porn they want.
>>135617432
>Started as better calculators
I already mentioned Ada and Babbage. If you knew anything about the evolution of computers, you'd know how stupid you sound right now. A computer is a lot more than just a calculator. Go read anything on Alan Turing and you'll know how different his vision of a computer was from just a calculator.
>But they've been improved at an amazing rate that shows no signs of slowing down
Moore's Law is about to end unless someone introduces a replacement for silicon. Newer process nodes aren't working as intended either and are taking longer to perfect. It literally is slowing down.
>but nobody could imagine smart phones
But that's wrong retard. Tricorders in Star Trek were pretty much smartphones. This was in the fucking 60s.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, you're a fucking idiot. And I noticed how you didn't bother to even talk about Networks either. People in the field didn't even think Packet Switching as a concept was even possible, that's now radical it was for the time.
>>135617679
>The real difference is that every idiot has a portable computer now
No.
Every idiot has a portable computer in one pocket (smart phones). Many have a second one on their bodies (google watch or music player or whatever), and some people have a third one in their bag (tablet or laptop), and a few geeks have yet another one at home (desktop). This excludes the car, and lots of other devices that each one of us uses in their daily lives. Computers are everywhere now, and they're about to become even more omnipresent when human car drivers become outlawed a few decades from now, when google glass is more than just a toy.
Things are changing, and they're changing fast.
>>135617785
>when google glass is more than just a toy.
opinion fucking discarded.
>people make movies, art, video games, and music knowing that sometimes it won't sell but it's the intent of making it that matters
>BUT MOE CULTURE IS RUINING EVERYTHING SO I CAN'T MAKE STUFF ;-;
>>135617817
I thought I heard Google already has a new version that won't be shown to public yet.
>>135617817
>>135617898
It's not about the version.
But once it's out for long enough, it will collect some practical purposes.
>>135617898
Google's pet projects never really go anywhere. Project Ara won't go anywhere either.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but moe anime isn't even what sells the best in Japan, right? I know Love Live is popular but I see plenty of non-moe anime destroying the charts.
>>135617930
>but I see plenty of non-moe anime destroying the charts.
But us a list so we can laugh at you. Hint: bishounen shit doesn't count as non-moe.
>>135617848
>people make movies, art, video games, and music knowing that sometimes it won't sell
Not in Japan.
Elevens believe in safe investments, not wild cards that can go either way.
>>135618192
Which is why doujin are a thing.
>>135618192
>Elevens believe in safe investments, not wild cards that can go either way.
Sounds like most things today honestly.
>>135618246
>Doujin anime
Good luck having someone air yours.
And sorry about all the pirated copies.
>>135618381
>And sorry about all the pirated copies.
Stop it with the piracy hurts sales meme.
>>135618381
Type-moon and 07h expansion both started out as doujin. Both of them have multiple official anime and manga right now.
>>135618468
Yeah, and now all Type Moon does is put out more Fate/Mliking, and making anything else a side project.
Your point?
>>135614361
Because we live in the future now.
Its not easy to build up some "20 years in future" settings because its not credible any more.
I mean in the 60s could think in 20 years they would live in the moon and in the 80s they could think in 2000s there would be the apocalypse, so they have material to work but now in 2016 there is nothing to look up in 20 years so its difficult to work on something.
>>135616825
This is nonsense. Scale of improvements have had as much impact as new inventions like the internet. What computers can do now is far beyond what some of the original creatures could have imagined. How many of you used GPS 15 years ago? Telecommunications has had some revolutionary advances.
>>135616260
>There needs to be more Uchuu no Stellvia type of animu.
Classroom Crisis could have been it!
;_;
>>135614492
>"It's true that we quarelled but I didn't hit her"
Stay mad, Tumblr. Wife prolly added prosethetic make up to her face.
His opinion is wholly right, even if there were to announce a sci-fi anime, it'll basically boiled down to soft boil sci-fi and focus on the not technology aspects of it and focus on cute girls, doing cute things coz moe.
>>135619245
From an interview back in 2010:
Q.夫婦円満の秘訣は？
A.徹底的にけんかすることです。
Q.どんなけんかをするのですか？
A.物がよく壊れます。
Q.今後書きたいテーマは？
A.暴力や行き過ぎ好奇心など人間の負の側面はいかにして克服されるのか？ ということ。
Google translate:
Q. What is the secret of marital harmony ?
A. It is to thoroughly fight .
Q. do you any fight ?
A. thing is broken well .
Q. I want to write the next theme ?
A. whether the violence and excessive curiosity , such as the human negative aspect is overcome by how to do? That .
He definitely beats his wife.
>>135618282
Seriously. You see the same in Hollywood, Cable TV, music, video games. We live in a capitalistic society, this shouldn't be surprising.
>>135619245
Japanese wives are dependent on the husband because they are just housewives. She probably realized she won't survive on her own and downplayed the assault. Also it would bring shame to her family and probably rumors from her neighbors. Status is everything.
>>135617764
>Moore's Law is about to end
Thanks to Intel and AMD and their dinosaur architectures, Moore's "law" effectively ended years ago. All they do is to waste more and more real estate to get an extra few percent of processing power out of their decades-old designs. Xeon Phi is the only hope for the future.
>>135618973
Are you stupid? We're looking up to going to the Mars right now. Coincidentally, there was also a scifi film about this. In the 60ies, there people like you too. They were called boring and without imagination.
>>135619840
>dinosaur architectures
Elaborate. Who is going to program your awesome new architectures that are oh so fast?
>>135619931
>We're looking up to going to the Mars right now
Only morons are doing that. Oh, and NASA because MUH AMURRIKA. With the technology available in the foreseeable future, you simply cannot get people to Mars and back alive.
>>135620019
Sounds like that first moon mission.
>>135620035
Yes, and the very fact that we can't even get people safely in and out of Earth orbit now shows just how fantastically lucky they were to pull it off.
>>135619840
It has nothing to do with their architecture. It has to do with a market shift into low-power devices over powerhouse chips for custom SoCs and chips that will run more efficiently in micro-devices and laptops. The lithography process have still been getting smaller, just as Moore predicted. The focus has just been on power draw now for modern architecture.
>>135620019
>Only morons are doing that.
So what, we are discussing what stupid people think. Nobodoy serious thought we'd live in the moon in the 60ies, but on the other hand they did manned moon missions to save MURRIKAN PRIDE.
>>135620156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hRgQ-Qk7u8
>>135619931
>comparing the Mars situation now to the space race of past decades
They're nowhere near comparable. Not even close. There's almost no cultural impact, where as the space race with the Russians defined the decade and brought Sci-Fi to the forefront of American Culture for the next couple of decades.
>>135619998
>Who is going to program your awesome new architectures that are oh so fast?
I think you'll find it's the compiler responsible for converting high-level languages into machine code. Shame Intel are crap at compilers and couldn't make VLIW fly, it had everything going for it.
>>135620129
>It has nothing to do with their architecture
It has everything to do with their architecture. If Intel had gone for basically a thousand ARM processors on a chip instead of four x86 processors, the world of computing would be a very different place now.
>>135620218
>Shame Intel are crap at compilers and couldn't make VLIW fly, it had everything going for it.
So deluded. IA64 deserved failure, and nobody ever managed to write a good compiler for it.
>>135615507
>>135615601
Explain how it does.
>>135620218
>It has everything to do with their architecture
No it doesn't because Moore's Law has nothing to do with performance. Just that the number of transistors in the same space doubles every two years.
>>135620373
Everyone knows you have to be an asshole to live in this world. But if you actually show that you're an asshole, everyone will point fingers at you and hate you. So be polite while being an asshole and ruining someone elses live.
>>135621024
I don't think that has anything to do with not having your opinion being heard.
>>135621024
You sound like you live a very sheltered life if you think mean words equates to ruining someone's life. Your whole argument is literally
>muh feels
In the real world, the only people who do what you described are psychopaths who are obsessed with looking like a good person to every single person around them. To your credit there are a good amount of people like that, but real life isn't a big liberal arts college campus.
>>135621024
How's that a response to why your opinion should be discarded if you're an asshole?
>>135614346
ahahaha
its not even good at mecha
and its fucking gundam
>>135621271
>In the real world, the only people who do what you described are psychopaths who are obsessed with looking like a good person to every single person around them.
Like yourself?
>>135616270
>love transcends space and time
But that wasn't really the message.
Gravity trascends space and time.
Love is just the strongest drive to have a man take advantage and correctly using gravity.
It was the ayy lmaos, or better ourself from the future, that set up that thing inside the black hole to let MC communicate with himself and his daughter.
Or at least that's what I understood.
The "love trascend shit and garbage" was a thing set there so that who doesn't understand the real plot still has something to cling on.
Going back on topic: >>135614280
Mostly yes, with some exceptions.
And sadly most of sci-fi shows we get are still normal stories that could happen in other settings that just have a sci-fi background, like happens also in other media, e.g. Star Wars
For me a "true" sci-fi from 2015 was Punchline.
Pleiades was very good under the scientific aspect, but still the plot wasn't that dependent of sci-fi elements, save the multiverse theory.
>>135622646
>"true" sci-fi
>Punchline
>>135614280
Scifi is a boring genre that /v/ermin eat up. I rather have anime be nothing but moe than /v/-tier genres.
>>135622745
>trying this hard to shitpost
>>135622775
Yeah you're right, it's a mystery to why /v/ fucking loves anime like ghost in the shell and cowboy bebop as the pinnacle of anime. Total coincidence I guess.
>>135622826
Did you know that Hitler built highways?
Did you know that he liked sugar?
Stop using Hitler-tier things.
>>135622700
It was heavily dependent on the bodyswap, achieved by science.
It has to be said that science and supernatural intertwined heavily in the story, but I'd still say it was more sci-fi than fantasy.
>>135623022
>achieved by science.
More like SCIENCE.
It was about as scifi as StarWars is.
>>135616270
Well in most anime they save everyone with the power of friendship and love.
>>135615921
This is not "true" sci-fi.
When sci-fi is only the setting, and not relevant to the plot, it's faux sci-fi.
Psycho-Pass was a big hit, so there's obviously room for sci-fi in anime. In fact, even Madoka is sci-fi to an extent, and that was the biggest original in a long time. And if you look at the chart for next season, there are several sci-fi anime airing, all with varying degrees of realism. It's far from being a dead genre.
>>135622646
>most of sci-fi shows we get are still normal stories that could happen in other settings that just have a sci-fi background
You could say this about basically any sci-fi anime, though. Even Gundam is a fairly standard war story. All you have to do is take out the references to space and replace the mobile suits with conventional weaponry and you could set it in the 1940s without changing much else.
>>135616825
You, I like you.
>>135617004
What is Blame! ?
What is Abara?
What is Biomega?
This is why I hate anime only fags, and in this case Sidoniafags.
>>135623175
So its cute girls cutely pondering the meanings of their cute lives as cute machines cutely fill out every real role that a human would traditionally be comfortable in.
Throw in a cute gynoid that wonders if she's even a real cute girl and a cute girl that thinks she's a cute gynoid even though she isn't.
Wake me up when something like this gets an anime (or a movie).
>>135614280
>implying real scifi can't be moe
What a faggot.
>>135623230
>You could say this about basically any sci-fi anime
Not really.
>Even Gundam is a fairly standard war story
>Even
Mecha is in a lot of cases very far away from being authentic sci-fi. As you said, it's war stories with sci-fi setting.
I mean, what draws the line for me is how the whole opera is dependent on the science fiction element.
When you have time-travel, multiverse, time dilation with near light-speed travel, then we can talk about sci-fi.
Dystopian societies where an ubiquitous net controlled citizens would make for interesting sci-fi, if the fi part isn't that fi anymore.
>>135623389
Thank you, looks interesting.
To be honest I've seen the same plotline used in a disney sci-fi spinoff comic (PK). But obviously they took inspiration from the book.
Actually it was one of my favourite stories from those comics, so reading the "source" will be interesting for sure.
>>135616270
Love is part of the human will and that drives change. Cooper's love for Murphy drove him through enormous fuckups and challenges to help save humanity.
>>135616910
Why not do what psycho-pass did and put moe characters into sci-fi.
>>135617923
What kind of practical purposes? Navigation by landmarks?
>>135619406
Holy fuck what an edgelord. No wonder Mika got btfo, it was him self inserting as Tougane.
I hope he gets abused.
>>135619245
> it'll basically boiled down to soft boil sci-fi and focus on the not technology aspects of it and focus on cute girls, doing cute things coz moe
So basically the only genuine sci-fi is hard sci-fi with a central focus on the technology? That seems overly specific.
>>135624871
Genuine sci-fi focuses on the effects of a technology (the "sci") on people. Anything else is soft-core or literary fiction. Why is that overly specific?
I would love a good sci-fi space opera taking place in Earth's future.
>>135624987
Why are they so smug!?
>>135624987
Literature is the key to happiness when you love sci-fi more than life.
>>135625193
>Go to Barnes and Noble
>Fantasy and SciFi are pushed together.
FML.
>>135625297
Multi-volume fantasy make the big bucks right now. I think it's a fad and will eventually die down though.
>>135616770
This gets me everytime, maybe because I have read too much Lem, but fuck all the fantasy works people call Sci-fi.
>>135616458
Texhnolyze's world was incredible, what with the post apocalyptic backdrop, the political divide between those who have been texhnolyzed, and those who believe humanity should stay untouched.
The entire city of Lux is creative and imaginative, and is the perfect place for the end of the human race.
Really, the surface world episodes are some of my favorite scenes, of any sci-fi setting, literature, film, or television, it's just superb
>>135625297
And way too much of the stuff that isn't Tolkien re-hashed is SJW-infested trash these days. I've been reduced to "America, fuck yeah!" mil-scifi in recent years just to get something that isn't being intersectional first, and sci-fi a long way after.
>>135625460
Oh, please. Texh was just shallow Romanticism dressed up in vaguely cyberpunky clothing, the worst sort of false-flagging message fiction there is.
>>135625566
> false-flagging message fiction
What does this even mean? Do you know what a false flag is?
>>135625297
>>Go to Barnes and Noble
Why? Just fucking download it.
>>135625661
>inb4 muh physical books discussion
>>135625626
Texh dresses up like it should be sci-fi and ends up being no more than a rejection of technology on specious sentimental grounds, which is pretty much the antithesis of sci-fi.
>>135625693
>>135625661
I don't like reading books on the internet because I get distracted too easily. So I tend to read when I have no computer or right before bed.
>>135615387
G-reco was delicious.
>>135625772
same
>>135625772
Get an ebook (so cheap nowadays) or a tablet (useful so you can watch anime in bed). No one in their sane minds read them on their monitor. I put on some music and can immerse myself for hours. Unless you literally suffer from ADHD, you should have no problem.
>>135625701
you're an absolute idiot, no shit the idea of technology bringing about the destruction of humanity would be the antithesis to sci-fi.
Everything about technolyze was nihilistic and just accepted it's terrible future
>>135625520
>Puppies drama at the Hugos
I can't believe social justice politics can spread this far. Book fans should be above this BS.
>>135625880
I buy physical books for 2 reasons.
1) because I like building my collection.
2) because I like reading them in the bath tub.
>>135625701
I don't know if it's one really vocal guy or a bunch of people, but this thread has some really odd definitions of sci-fi. Rejecting technology does not make it fake sci-fi. It takes place in a future dystopia with cyborgs/transhumans/whatever playing a central role in the overall plot and in the MC's functioning on an episode-to-episode basis. That's clearly genuine sci-fi, regardless of what message it communicates. And the people complaining about sci-fi overlaid on fantasy plots, you might as well complain about fantasy with orcs and shit overlaid on basic medieval adventure plots. You don't like sci-fi, you like some small subset of sci-fi that treats the subject in line with your views.
>>135625880
There's a problem with that. You don't want to use a tablet right before bed and an ebook is only good if you get the one that looks like paper. I forgot which one that is. Even then I can bring a book with me to work can't do that with a tablet or ebook. Paper media is easiest for me.
>>135625929
>reading books in the bath
Why the fuck would you do that?
>>135614280
Outside of stuff like Origin and Psycho Pass Season 1 yeah kind of. Hard sci-fi would sell like absolute dog shit in the anime format in most cases anyway nowadays unless it was an established franchise or they tossed some otaku name like Urobuchi into the mix.
>>135626008
Because I can relax better in the bath. Granted, it took some experimenting until I got to a point where I was confident I wouldn't get the books wet by accident, but now I just love it.
>>135624261
Pretty sure he's saying anime that's ostensibly supposed to be sci-fi still focuses overwhelmingly on moe aspects as opposed to world building, character and scenario building and the plot intrigue therein.
>>135626008
Not that guy, but the tub is where I'm disconnected from the internet, so I have to sate my text addiction somehow.
>>135614956
STOP PRESENTING OPINIONS AS EXTREME POSITIONS AND PARRING THEM DOWN TO /A/ MEMESPEAK WHEN THE PEOPLE GIVING THEM SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT!!!!
>>135614346
he said there's not much, not that there's no good
>>135616244
>I hate Ubukata as much as the next guy, but he's an authority on SF. He has his own summit even.
He's shit, he had alot to work with in psychopass and he made S2 a steaming turd.
To be expected from his track record really.
>>135625520
>SJW-infested trash
>fantasy
Care to explain?
>>135615873
Fafner is decent, fafner exodus is fucking great
>>135614280
100%
>>135626822
Not him, but power fantasies of frustrated females full of Mary Sues and matriarchal words.
It's pretty disgusting to read.
>>135616196
What's name of Trump's Stand?
>>135626822
Shelves labelled fantasy and science fiction. Most of it fantasy, most of the rest, if recent, SJW stuff. New proper sci-fi is a needle in a haystack.
>>135627196
Fantasy is the superior genre, and the good sci-fi is just fantasy in disguise. Engineers should never pick up a pen.
>>135627234
Fantasy is escapist, scifi at its roots is not.
>>135619406
What is the secret to maritial happiness?
To fight thoroughly.
What kind of fight?
Where things get smashed.
What theme do you want to write about from now on?
I'm curious about violence going too far for example; how to conquer human's negative sides? That kind of things.
It's not moe so much as it is the light novel shit where every adaptation now is about a super sci-fi/fantasy high school dedicated to fighting ___________ threat. I'd say Birdy the Mighty was the last good proper sci-fi anime.
I for one, want to see more moe sci-fi. I want Gene Wolfe's "Cute Urth Girls doing Cute Things".
>>135627234
Go eat a bullet you uneducated swine.
>>135616458
Sci-Fi lit has been dead since those queers at TOR started rigging the Hugo awards way back when.
why does it have to be JUST scifi?
why cant it be moe?
does the fucker masterbate to satoshi kon characters?
>>135627409
Who cares about some shitty awards?
>>135627442
Publishers.
>>135627442
doesnt japan have its own awards?
I dont think japan will ever do well overseas these days because of shitty judges that dont even respect lego movie
>>135627310
I'd say you're wrong.
>>135627387
>I'm an educated man because I read genre stories about fictional science
Sure.
>>135627573
Why?
>>135627585
Because, disregarding individual quality as shows, PsychoPass is much better scifi than Birdy.
Just as an example.
>>135627620
Psycho-Pass is a weak cyberpunk dystopia.
>>135627585
Not him, but the easiest counter-example is 2199.
>>135627670
Forgot about that one.
>>135627670
to be fair it's a remake even if fucking awesome
>>135627669
It's actually rooted in science. It's actually speculative (to a degree).
In fact, I'd argue that Birdy isn't scifi at all, just uses scifi tropes.
>>135627578
You clearly don't understand how much influence many scientists have taken from sci-fi, and how many inventions were born from that.
Pretty much anything remotely hard sci-fi is written by people with a science background.
If you can't comprehend how much it means, you really are an uneducated fool.
>>135627763
Judging books this way is honestly no better than the people who judge them on SJW bullshit. It's a fucking story.
>>135615464
I hate how the title is so close to deus ex the game and they even share similar themes about humanity vs technology
>>135627310
Space Brothers, Moonlight Mile
>>135627857
It's not the story that really matters. The concepts, the technologies, the ideas. Fuck, your ignorance genuinely angers me. I wouldn't have taken engineering if it wasn't for all the sci-fi I read growing up. You just don't get it.
Mardock Scramble was both moe and shit.
>>135627740
>It's actually rooted in science
This is a completely meaningless statement. All sci-fi is "rooted" in science to some degree. Psycho-Pas sis just a dystopia with "It's Sybil! I ain't gotta explain shit!"
>I'd argue that Birdy isn't scifi at all
Space Opera, mind-sharing, bioethics and super soldiers. It's sci-fi.
>just uses scifi tropes.
>tropes
Stop using meme words.
>>135626139
Such as?
Good sci-fi is about human being, not about who get to show off the most cool robot and gritty setting anyway.
>>135620019
The technology is here, the political will and the money, not so much.
But back to science fiction stories, I wouldn't concentrate in space because it won't affect peoples lives, what will is the direction of the internet, virtual reality, biotechnology (including body modification) and robots (including drones).
Some country might go to Mars, several countries could try it, or there will be a joint mission... but it will be more of a spectacle, like the World Cup: "oh look, the final!" some country wins "*celebrate for a few days*", and everything stays the same.
For a long, long time, the future will happen here, on Earth.
>>135627919
>it's an actual engineer
Oh, that explains it. Here's a hint - real science is good because and when it does practical shit. Fake science in a book is for the sake of the book. It serves no practical purpose, it doesn't need to be real, it can be magic for all it matters.
>>135620468
The CPU manufacturers already have plans years in advance, and are following Moore's law to release doubled chips every two years, turning it into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
>>135615193
>It is not that scifi isn't produced but what the scifi that they are making are turning off the masses.
Maybe we should educate the masses. What show them what's in their near future is Sci-Fi, so if is a problem of comprehension of technology...
>>135618973
Then go even farther in the future. It's not hard.
>>135628360
I'm done trying to explain it. You don't have it in you. If you can't see the beauty in speculative fiction mixed with hard sci-fi, it's not for you. Maybe you just lack imagination.
>>135628559
Yes, Mardock Scramble and Heroic Age are exactly what the world will be like in 2040.
>>135615992
>Explain Trump's popularity.
A lot of people in the US is dumb and ignorant.
>>135628625
It's because I have imagination that I don't need my fictional science to help me out by pretending to be real.
The challenge presented by "authentic" sci-fi, or any fictional story, is to build a world that COULD conceivably happen even though it's fictional. The only way to do that is to have an extremely sound base of knowledge in how the real world works, and naturally that takes a shit-ton of research into history, politics, geography and technology. The more outrageous things are on the surface, the harder the creator needs to work to make it believable.
Of course this is too hard for 99% of people who aren't hardcore reclusive writers, so naturally people settle a whole buncha candy-colored hair cute girls with tiddies, physics-defying hoopla, societies with no infrastructure besides a few lines of exposition all dialog, and "it's magic I ain't gotta explain shit"
>>135628641
And they vote for "Muh free education" Sanders.
>>135628683
You'd have to be incapable of understanding other viewpoints at all to think that people are "settling" for cute girls because creators can't write some realistic alternative model of the world. It's apples and oranges.
>>135626979
Purple Toupee
>>135615464
ex machina was fucking retarded
>>135614280
isn't the "trapped in virtual reality world" a sci-fi genre? I'm pretty sure the nips are the ones who created this genre.
>>135629053
William Gibson isn't Japanese.
>>135629053
Fucking youngsters.
>>135629053
id say yes for things like log horizon and SAO, but would disagree on things like overlord.
it depends on the setting.
it doesnt matter though cause its all LNshit.
im still pissed at Nihei for accepting full CGI Blame! is going to look retarded
>>135629129
>>135629160
but they have expanded on the genre, while the west hasn't done anything new.
Masamune Shirow knows what's good.
>>135629296
OILY
>>135629160
Even Tron wasn't the first time around -- even back in the 1950s there were some coyly worded stories about young men having to be kept away from vicarious sexual experiences in their full-time VR dramas.
>>135629388
Can you name a few?
The earliest example of VR in sci-fi that I knew about was Bradbury's "The Veidt".
>>135629296
Shiny torpedo tits and nigger/horse cock, you mean?
>>135617764
>Go read anything on Alan Turing and you'll know how different his vision of a computer was from just a calculator.
Or even better, Von Neumann.
>>135629470
At this remove, no, I'm afraid. These were things that I'd read in a friend's collection of ancient Galaxy and Analog magazines, back in the 1970s. All I can remember is one where the supervisors had to keep on looking out for "Vickies" (ASF, late 1950s); and another one whose title had something to do with spectroscopy (Galaxy, mid/late 1960s).
>>135629253
Other than Neuromancer and later the Matrix?
Hell, Neuromancer spawned Shadowrun.
>>135617764
>Moore's Law is about to end unless someone introduces a replacement for silicon. Newer process nodes aren't working as intended either and are taking longer to perfect. It literally is slowing down.
Time for better software instead of better hardware.
>>135628863
ONLY if their original intention was to actually build a world
Not everyone wants to write "authentic" fiction, and not everybody who watches an anime or reads a manga is looking for it
But if you're actually gonna try, it's really obvious when you give up
>>135617817
>opinion fucking discarded.
Because everybody will be in VR and nobody will need to go out most of the time?
>>135629792
>I have no idea what google glass is!
>>135629694
I don't think the people watching/making AKB or Xenoglossia or whatever else Ubukata might have been thinking of with the moe comment are really trying to get that kind of realistic worldbuilding, though. They're going for something completely different.
>>135629651
>the Matrix
The Matrix is far from being original. Virtually all of its ideas are pilfered from something else. It's still an alright movie, but it didn't present any major innovations, aside from its special effects.
>>135629501
also lesbian fingerbanging robots (airing next season).
VR or AR (like in Dennou Coil) just get used as a way to handwave in some magic.
Man, I don't think I have seen any good sci-fi anything in the last 10 years.
>>135630009
Was innovation the requirement to count?
Why do you count SAO but not the Matrix?
>>135630100
Pay more attention, then.
>>135630150
I'm not the person you were responding to. I just took issue with you implying that The Matrix "expanded on the genre."
>>135630219
It did, because to many it was the first story to ever feature something of the kind. It was huge.
>>135628633
>Mardock Scramble and Heroic Age
I was thinking about good hard science fiction in general.
>>135630303
It "expanded" the number of people who were aware of the "genre" as a thing
>>135618192
Except at this point it's not even a wild card theory, unless you're show is based on some super established franchise and/or panders extra hard to moe/fujoshi type fans with extras, event tickets, music, social games and popular staff and seiyuu it's going to bomb fucking hard. Including all those things is how you at least get to wild card status now.
>>135628021
Just about any mecha/sci-fi anime from the last 5-6 years that barely make use of their sci-fi setting as anything other than window dressing for the real products they're looking to hawk which revolve around moe and pretty girls/boys. Sci-fi nowadays is just a skin shows wear as a template in order to maintain the pretense of a functional show since moe is not a genre.
I even remember Gen Urobuchi saying he mostly tries to work on mecha or magical girl themed stuff because it seems like a good platform and genre template to launch an original franchise but then wondering things like why Blassreiter didn't include more moe characters to up it's appeal to audiences. These are the sorts of thought processes the industries ostensibly top people work from nowadays. It is what it is.
>>135631169
Just about any mecha anime from 30-40 years ago was an extended toy commercial. Not a lot has changed.
>>135629668
Even software has limits, unless P=NP.
>>135631264
At least Tomino tried to buck the trend.
>>135614280
Yes and everyone who disagrees is part of the problem.
>>135631169
He asked for examples, and you said "any sci-fi that does this". That's not an answer.
>>135631802
Yeah, but there's a lot of room for improvement to keep us entertained for many years.
We've grown used to having more and better hardware, it's time to make the software to keep up.
>>135633065
>I am less knowledgeable than my own foot so I'll let my anus do the posting
