I am not a VN reader but most of the people who read it hates UFO adaption of ubw
I don't know much about the V/N but the animation is flawless imo.
The second cour was fucking terrible.
Everyone was satsfied with it at the halfway point if you were on /a/ back then. Its the second half which everyone hates.
VN readers are dirty perverts who are just mad because they didnt get their sex scene
>>135587988
I'm more mad they took out the kiss.
I liked it, and I can't really fault it because adapting the visual novel properly would crave immense amounts of internal monolouging so you can actually get the most out of all the characters, but it would destroy the pacing completely. Ultimately, any adaptation wont ever be able to do the VN proper justice, but regardless I thought it was good.
I thought it was pretty gay
>>135587722
VNfags and LNfags are autistic. More news at 11.
>>135587722
- Dumbing down a complex and interesting world by not even bothering to cover deep and interesting lore and explanations behind why things happen(ex: Shirou's powers never being explained thus making them complete random asspull, the setting never being explained, difference between magic and magecraft is never explained, magic circuits never being even explained, etc)
- Ruining, changing or dumbing down the characterization of both main characters(Rin and Shirou). Most of Rin's inner conflict and flaws are never apparent. Most of Shirou's tactical thinking, philosophy and sociopathy is never apparent.
- Taking away the tactical aspect of the fights and turning them into asspully powerbrawls of shit exploding. The fact that the said "shit exploding" happens to have a shitshow of shitty lacking choreography that does not even come close to Fate/Zero's fights also does not help.
- Outright skipping Caster's backstory and motivations for sake of a filler episode about her master.
- Taking away most of the romance, by removing the dynamic bickering between the two and making Shirou far more passive and dense(instead of him having intentionally tease Rin). Literally all that this epic romance amounts to in the adaptation is them...shaking hands -__-
- Adding needless anime original scenes that serve no purpose while at the same time failing to adapt crucial monologues and exposition. That includes a completely pointless final episode that should have been an OVA and only serves to make it the main work even more generic harem than adaptation already did, wasting time that could have spent on Shirou's character.
- Awfully uneven pacing that drags pointless sol scenes out and rushes important scenes that should be intense, thrilling and atmospheric.
I think that about covers the main points.
I'm a VNfag and I didn't hate that adaptation. Character design was total shite, but I can live with it
>>135587722
I thought the first cour was great. I can't put my finger on what it was but I hated the second cour.
Shirou: I accept that I'll end up fucked in the future but I am going to do it anyway.
That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. I used to like Emiya in the first anime but now he is one of the worst characters I have ever seen.
>>135588409
Sounds like you'd enjoy Heaven's Feelwhich means you're a complete pleb for not wanting to be a superhero
>>135588231
>complex and interesting world
>deep and interesting lore
>Nasufags actually believe thise
>>135588409
That's why HF is the only truly great route. His stupid chunni mindset changes.
>>135588489
Secondaries are cute.
>>135588409
>Missing the entire point of his character in the route
Sasuga
>>135588540
>implying "i'll destroy myself for a murderer" is not the most chuuni shit there is
UBW was the most mature outcome, realizing the ideal is unattainable but worth living by, accepting your flaws and imperfections.
I thought the anime was better than the VN, but I hate VN's as a medium so that's probably why.
>>135587722
>most of the people who read it hates UFO adaption of ubw
Those people would never be happy with anything. I've read the VN multiple times and UFOtable did the adaptation great justice.
>>135587722
Literally no sensible VN reader hates it, it's just MAL retards shitting up discussion threads.
>>135588924
retard
>>135588652
>the most mature outcome
>"mature"
Who the fuck cares. It's your personal preference anyway.
>>135588540
In exchange though, we have to deal with wormslut. At least Illya gets more screentime in HF.
>>135589070
>wormslut
Upvoted! :)
>>135588566
>Filthy secondaries didn't read muh porn game
>>135588566
I've read most of what he's written, the lore of his world has the depth of a puddle.
Basing all the heroic spirits on actual mythologies and legends means none of the lore surrounding them is his beyond the minor nasu-original stuff he adds to them. The Arthurian legend doesn't belong to Nasu, only the version where Arthur was actually a woman who was given a magic futa cock to sire Mordred is.
The majority of the original stuff he does create likely won't have any relevance outside of some of the FSN stuff because TM is set on milking Fate till the last drop. Just look through all the character material and so much of it is still just concept art if even that (half of the dead apostles don't even have that). If you actually try to read any of the background of what there is half of it is just ends up being powerlevel bullshit.
>>135589133
>>135589192
>I've read most of what he's written, the lore of his world has the depth of a puddle.
Stopped reading there.
Fate/stay night's intimate relationship with the legends it borrows is impressive, marking itself as a fascinating work of mythic revisionism. I honestly think Nasuverse lore is beyond your grasp.
>>135589313
>intimate relationship with the legends it borrows is impressive
you mean googling and looking up famous people and legend in wikipedia is impressive and difficult?
>>135587722
It's a faithful adaption in my opinion. The core issues come from the source's writing. It's just not that good to begin with, so without curving the dialogue so it's not so long-winded there's not a lot that van be done in that department.
That's why I watched for the action. UFO did a great job there and with any incarnation of this series outside of the VN, the battles are always the most gratifying part.
What I don't get are complaints like this >>135588409 . I mean, Shirou isn't an amazing character on paper to begin with, but somehow he gets singled out as being particularly bad in this adaption. There's a massive amount of fan bias that goes into it - nothing can be as good as the source material even if the adaption does pretty well with what it's given.
>>135587722
They just hate that it isn't a 1:1 adaptation, and they'd hate it either way really. If these people had read Fate/Zero they'd hate the anime too, but very few people read the LNs.
>>135589313
>intimate relationship with the legends it borrows is impressive
There is literally nothing that Nasu takes from it that couldn't be found on the wikipedia page.
The dude isn't some historian specializing in legends and mythologies. He's a doujin eroge scenario writer who happened to make it big writing porn games.
>>135589532
>I mean, Shirou isn't an amazing character on paper to begin with
I disagree
>>135589599
Everyone complains about Gilgamesh and Lancelot's backstories cut in the Zero anime, along with the shitty Kerry vs Kirei fight, how fucking new are you? Outside of a few hiccups it was a far greater adaptation
>>135589514
Wait, so you're otherwise okay with a world abundant in vampires, demons, nature spirits, magic, planet gods, time axes, the collective unconscious as an actual thing, and an extra-dimensional space where the spirits of all legends reside (all of which are abundant IN PRESENT DAY), but you're not okay with the idea of mythological or legendary figures being real in that world?
>>135589642
He majored in history and philosophy; if you weren't a secondary and had read a single interview (freely available over at Tsukikan) you would know this.
>>135589688
They complain about the backstories because they were told they are missing, and that fight is visibly bad. No one is complaining about Lancelot or Gilgamesh's characterization being changed. No one complains about Kirei and his relation to the grail being changed. I'm not complaining either, but there aren't complaints about unimportant shit because few people read the LN, whereas a lot of people read UBW and whine about every little unimportant detail they changed.
>>135589688
This shit again? Put your trip on.
>>135589688
>60hrs of character development vs about 9hrs
Also the VN side goes out of it's way to describe Shirou as idealistically as possible.
>>135589822
PUt a trip on so I can filter another Miura apologist
>>135589922
>60hrs
UBW route is 15 hrs at best. UfoUBW is at least 13 hours with BD additions.
>>135589927
I hate Miura, he fucked up Oblivion Recording, but UBW he didn't fuck up. Was it a perfect adaptation? Hell no, but it's way better than what we could have gotten.
>>135590007
At least Oblivion Recording ended in 50 minutes.
UfoUBW was over 10 hours of rhino noses, shitty CGI and crappy pacing.
>>135589804
>He majored in history and philosophy
>majored
Anyone can major in history anon, there is a difference between an actual historian and someone who majored in history. The fact that none the lore he shamelessly pulls from world mythologies goes any deeper than what a lay person could find by searching the internet leads me to believe his historical background had little relevance on his work.
>>135590074
The noses weren't that bad in motion and weren't Miura's fault. The CGI wasn't his fault either, and isn't shitty by any means, it's as good as TV anime CGI gets. The pacing was better than in the VN.
>>135590189
Now address all of these points >>135588231
It's better than the VN. Never has a VN got the amount of attention ufo put into it.
This still doesn't make the anime great or anything.
>>135590258
kek
>>135590137
You based that whole statement on LACK of EVIDENCE, NOT on there being evidence proving otherwise.
>The fact that none the lore he shamelessly pulls from world mythologies goes any deeper than what a lay person could find by searching the internet
If you can't grasp how deep and elegant is Nasu's marked take on the legends of old, remove yourself from this thread.
>>135587938
This.
>>135588231
pretty much hit the nail on the head.
I'm not even a fan of Fate in the slightest, but I enjoyed parts of UBW and HF in the VN. The anime just sucked completely and didn't have the few parts of the VN that made it enjoyable.
It's not about Fate being "deep" or "rich in lore" or whatever. People who read the VN will still call it shallow. The anime still completely lacked what the VN got me to think and consider about the characters and events.
>Taking away the tactical aspect of the fights and turning them into asspully powerbrawls of shit exploding.
This is especially an issue, because you hardly have a reason to care for most of the antagonists in either the VN or the anime, but the VN at least makes each fight feel more interesting. In the anime, it comes off as just showing off budget + monster of the week. In regards to people who watched Zero first: If people weren't familiar with Gilgamesh and Saber from Fate/Zero, there'd be even less people that would care about him. The UBW anime is certainly not compelling and interesting, and doesn't make the main cast enjoyable to follow and care about.
With the way that things get adapted to anime, with VN adaptations especially, making the show "interesting" seems to be the lowest priority of most studio projects.
>>135590258
Fucking ufo shit eaters
>It has flashy lights and long, drawn out episodes so it got attention put into it! Nevermind Shirou's entire character being dumbed down to generic-LN-level and skipping an important antagonist's backstory!
>>135590483
Ufoubw is a creatively dead, cynical, lifeless, mediocre attempt by aniplex to gather some cash from the fanbois. Nothing more. Everything in its production shouts "we don't have to try since it will sell anyway"
>>135590487
>tumblr
>an actual CookingPriest image
Please, just... stop shitting up these threads. The Luvia vs Rin faggots do that plenty without your help.
>>135590582
Miura apologists shit up the threads.
>>135590487
I couldn't care less for ufo after the god eater blunder. It's just that they done all that is humanly possible to do with the adaptation.
>>135588231
>- Adding needless anime original scenes that serve no purpose while at the same time failing to adapt crucial monologues and exposition. That includes a completely pointless final episode that should have been an OVA and only serves to make it the main work even more generic harem than adaptation already did, wasting time that could have spent on Shirou's character.
The flashback to Ilya's past was ten times better in the anime, we got a lot of good info and it made her more than quick fodder with barely any development.
>>135589804
>Wait, so you're otherwise okay with a world abundant in vampires, demons, nature spirits, magic, planet gods, time axes
Not really? Personally I dislike contemporary fantasy as a whole because the whole setting to me feels like a cop-out for authors who want to have magic and swords but don't want to deal with the rest of what comprises fantasy, like actual world building. The vanilla FSN game is longer than the entire LotR trilogy yet despite how often Fatefags will harp on about how great Nasu is at world building it doesn't even begin to compare in the sense it actually gives the reader about the world the characters live in.
The heroic spirits being actual legends is just the icing on the shit-cake. In addition to being a free rubric on how to write the lore for a good number of his characters it's not secret that Japan (and the target demographic for these games) has an obsession with these kind of legends. Even other videogames like RPGs will commonly choose to just name their weapons things like Excalibur or Balmung over trying to come up with original names even if the actual lore behind them is completely thrown out because they know players like that kind of thing.
>>135590649
One of the things Ufotable actually did a good job on.
>>135590248
>>135590248
Exposition is bad in anime. It would have fucked up the pacing and amounted to nothing, as it's magic after all, the explanations are based on the expanded universe.
Their characterization is inferior, but that's going to happen when you translate from being inside their heads to watching them on a screen. Rin's conflict is clearly apparent from the Prologue and Episode 13 alone, it's subtle yes, but it is there. Shirou is less tactical, but his philosophy is there, seen through the monologues and speeches when talking to Archer, and his sociopathy is seen when he talks about his ideals, and when he talks to Mitsuzuri and then to Rin outside the Einzbern Mansion.
The fights were flashier than in Zero, but they were just as tactical. In fact, the only fight with more tactics in Zero was Saber vs Lancer in episode 4.
(continued)
>>135590753
All the important points from Caster motivations that are in FSN, and not in FHA were expressed in her backstory. I don't know what you are talking about here.
The romance in the VN was just as shitty to be honest. The bickering was still there, we saw Shirou teasing her about her flab and there was plenty of teasing, him appearing dense is part of his character, this isn't any different from the VN.You could blame Nasu for making RN the official version.
Monologues and exposition have no place in anime, do you know the phrase show don't tell? Shirou didn't need episodes worth of monologues to get his character across, the fight with Archer was enough for that. The anime original scenes are just pointless because you know they are original, there are scenes that are even more pointless that aren't original.
The pacing problems come from the VN, but it was never as slow as the VN. They also didn't rush any part other than the scene with Archer in the church.
Why do you guys critizise it so much? You act like this is the shittiest anime ever, the "flaws" you list aren't as bas as you think they are, the adaptation does have flaws, but they aren't ones that'd make this a shitty adaptation, or bad or anything near that. No one seems to talk about the brilliantly executed Prologue, the Berserker fight, Gilgamesh vs Berserker, Illya's story, Episode 19 and 20, and Episode 24.
>>135590422
>If you can't grasp how deep and elegant is Nasu's marked take on the legends of old
>wrote King arthur as a (fuckable) girl for the sole reason of "sex sells"
>appends shit like Arthur's son with "she was granted a magical penis"
>also Francis drake is a woman
>also Jack the ripper is a woman
>deep and elegant
>>135590783
>Gilgamesh vs Berserker
Oh you mean pacing killer interruption for zerobullshit flashback with no actual explanation from VN on why Winter Forest is even happening, with an undertstated Illya/Berserker bond due to BS like Illya calls to berserker MILIMETERS BEHIND HIM. Then the fight is yet again static camera sfxsfxsfx CGI fight... ending with a too-late scream from Shirou.
Way to miss the point, Ufo. I can't respond to the rest of kitschy post because you praised this atrociously handled fight.
>>135590997
Secondary pls, at least pretend to know something about Drake in Extra and the Jack in Apocrypha before complaining about "genderbends".
>>135587722
>I am not a VN reader but most of the people who read it hates UFO adaption of ubw
They dont.
Yet another great thread by our resident F/SN shitposter.
>>135590997
>thinking Apocrypha was written by Nasu
>>135590997
>also Jack the ripper is a woman
I mean Jack the ripper was never caught, right? So he might as well have been a girl
>>135591136
>They dont.
You should read the thread before posting
>>135591080
Your opinion is truly shit. That fight was handled spectacularly, you just have an irrational hate for anything in the adaptation because it isn't exactly what you wanted. Stop being such a neckbeard.
![[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 03 [720p].mkv_snapshot_13.47_[2014.10.25_14.22.52].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GalmY52.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 03 [720p].mkv_snapshot_13.47_[2014.10.25_14.22.52].jpg")
Dropped it in the first cour because Shirou was a lot more annoying in the anime than in the VN.
Most likely because you read what he's thinking in the VN so its a lot more understandable, but the anime makes it seem like he's a brain dead retard.
Super hyped for HF though.
>>135591172
>the same MAL tripfag as always decides to repeat the same bullshit as always
>All VN readers hate ufotable, guys!
>>135591252
If you disliked UBW there's no reason to be hyped for HF. It's the same team, so you'll just be disappointed. Let us, the non-brain dead part of this fanbase, enjoy the movie please.
>>135591241
CANT HAVE MONOLOGUES GUYSE. VISUAL MEDIUM YO
HUNDRED OF FLASHBACKS INTERRUPTING THE SCENE IS TOTALLY FINE THO.
Sasuga, Miura apologist. Back to watching your edgelordery fanservice filler
All of you who hate the anime should just go back to MAL to suck CookingPriest's cock.
>>135591325
Oh is that so? Show me where they announced the director for HF movies.
>>135591252
Since you have read the VN already you should already know what he's thinking and therefor realize that he's not a brain dead retard.
Fate/Stay Night is a gateway eroge of the worst kind. It's a bad game, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive powerlevel faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the VN itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.
However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the Noble Phantasms, ridiculous, color-coded clothes, the whole Servant faggotry and everything about the Fate/Stay Night world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on the NATURE of HEROISM, and overall chuuni tone of the VN makes it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.
Fate/Stay Night is basically THE franchise to attract the most hated fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this franchise and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Fate/Stay Night threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.
>>135591330
Flashbacks are part of the visual medium you retard. Internal monologues are awful when you aren't reading them. On top of that, the flashbacks were part of the VN. Your argument makes no sense, and all caps make you look like a 12 year old. Have you read the rules, let alone the VN?
>>135591422
He can't, because he's the brain dead retard.
>>135591325
I wasn't a big fan of the UBW route in the VN in the first place, and I really enjoyed HF for Kotomine and Ilya anyway. I'll probably enjoy it regardless as long as they have the few scenes I'm looking forward to.
>>135591422
Different narratives. In the context of the anime, his actions were grating. In the context of the VN, they were mostly understandable and you have your imagination to fill in any questionable gaps.
Shirou is a character who does not grow or develop.
>>135591525
There seems to be a lot of those in these threads
>>135591555
You are a person who did not understand his character.
>>135587722
People forget UBW is a fucking 48h VN while the anime has, what, 12h? It was fine for an adaptation. If you want something really terrible, try Tsukihime.
>>135591555
Wrong. Shirou's development is about a “beta male” confronting various toxic images of idealized alpha masculinity (Archer, Gilgamesh, and Kirei) and rejecting them to become comfortable with himself as he truly is.
Why do I have to read the VN just because I didn't appreciate its anime adaptation?
>>135590006
The information gathered from the left side of that image is from the entirety of the F/SN VN though. Not just a single arc.
>>135588231
>this faggot will never fuck off back to MAL
>>135591627
UBW VN route was 15 hours at most.
>>135591609
But Nasu said it himself. Are you calling Nasu a liar? Do you think you understand the character of Emiya Shirou better than Kinoko Nasu does?
>>135587722
>I am not a VN reader
That's why.
>>135591661
Not really,it's from the prologue+UBW route, which is what the anime adapts.
>>135591697
Miura is the one who said that my illiterate friend
>>135591697
>Nasu said it himself
Citation needed.
>>135591547
His actions are the same in the anime and the Vn.
The difference is that in VN you have his reasoning spelled out for you word by word, but in the anime you need to use your brain for a second and think for yourself to understand his reasoning.
>>135591735
>Miura is the one who said that
Yes, he quoted Nasu from a conversation they'd had on the topic.
>>135591869
[Citation needed]
>All these faggots who literally expect a 24-ish episode anime to cover a 25h+ VN
>>135591944
They adapted 1/3 of the VN, the shortest route, with more than enough runtime. Including BD additions and hour-long episodes it's 29 eps. Fucking Miura apologists
>>135591796
Of course its the same, but its an entirely different medium. The events don't come of as the same way and the execution is different.
>>135591900
>Miura: For our part, we thought about making Unlimited Blade Works using one of the classic formulas, "the protagonist grows and matures and achieves catharsis." Speaking of which, from the early meeting stages, Mr. Nasu was telling us flat-out that Shirou was a character who doesn't grow or mature. Of course, that's Mr. Nasu's particular style of saying things, but, speaking for myself, that left a profound impression on me. To restate it in our terms, he was saying that Shirou is such an unwavering character that you think never grows or matures. That's proven to be a crucial stepping-off point as I draw the storyboards for this series. When we have meetings with Mr. Nasu like that, one or two pearls of wisdom that leave an impression sometimes come out of nowhere. Seeing how a creator's mind works up close was really stimulating.
From a booklet that was included with the first BD box set of UBW.
The whole booklet can be read in its entirety online.
http://pastebin.com/8zPfKaNd
>>135590487
>Caster
>important antagonist
Lancer is more important than she is, and all he does is dying. Caster is completely irrelevant in every single route except for Rule Breaker.
>>135592092
Did you actually read what you just cited ?
>>135592128
Her personality and morality challenges the idea of heroism and reaffirms the theme of UBW and the futility of chasing or trying to fulfill broken ideals, while reaffirming the worth of the process and what we do with the choices we have.
>>135592092
>Literally explains what Nasu meant
>Still taking it for face value
Why don't you go on about how "Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right" is stupid.
Because the anime isn't good. It's there for the VN readers to see everything animated and in motion, which is fun.
>>135592215
And? I'm not debating who she is or what happened to her, I'm questioning how, exactly, is she an important antagonist.
>>135587722
Because many people who didn't read the slideshow can now see that FSN is bad, so the slideshow fans are on damage control saying that it's just a bad adaptation.
>>135592291
I wanted to see the fights animated, not static camera SFXSFXSFX CGI thrown across the screen with no character animation and generic "cinematic" music.
>Fate
Whose fate? What fate? Which Fate? Is destiny the central overarching theme of the story?
>/
Why is there a solidus in there? Are we sure this isn't supposed to be a colon?
>stay night
What does this even mean? Why aren't these words capitalized? Is it meant to be read in imperative mood, like a commanding statement to the "player" to make stay night? Is there supposed to be a comma in there, like "stay, night?" Is there supposed to be a 'the' in there, like "stay the night?" What stays night? Is it Fate that stays night? Is staying night another important theme? What is the night and how is it stayed?
>>135587722
>all the VN readers hate this adaption?
I don't.
>>135592372
>did you mean Bane?
>>135592372
Fate is the name of the series. Stay night because everyone stays over at Shirous and it sounds cool to Japanese.
>>135587722
Some of my criticisms:
Removal of Shirou's internal monologue, which obscures his mental state and makes it harder to pinpoint his motivations. Ufotable basically realized they fucked up on this part, which is why Shirou suddenly got a fuckload of internal narration in the second cour despite not having any in the first cour.
The fights are more style over substance. The VN goes into intricate detail about how the servants or Shirou counter each other with deliberate thoughts and actions. The biggest issue is in the Gil vs Shirou fight, where Shirou leaps around like superman and spams Rho Aias, essentially making UBW useless whereas in the VN it was pivotal to beating Gil and even then just barely.
Shirou's interactions with Rin are severely dumbed down. There's a lot less banter between the two and he comes across more like a generic MC around her, which hurts their dynamic and chemistry.
Other than that, it's a really good adaption. Easily 8/10.
>>135592305
>She is very important to the themes of UBW and a large part of the plot revolves around a conflict with her, but she isn't important
Huh?
>>135592372
Did you read te VN? Title means "stay the night", a big part of F/SN's final route is the subjectivity and cultural perception of good and evil.
>>135587722
>most of the people who read it hates UFO adaption of ubw
This is false. Most people like Ufo's UBW, regardless of whether they read the VN or not. It's just a loud minority of complainers.
>>135592203
Did you read what I posted? I said that Shirou is a character who does not grow or mature and that Nasu said so himself. I never made any claim that Nasu's statement was to be taken at face-value or could not be interpreted in any way other than literally, I only conveyed his words.
>secondaries think they're allowed to have an opinion on Fate
kek
>>135587722
It made "ideal" one of the words I hate the very most.
Who's ready for the wave of zerofag secondaries claiming that HF was way better because it was darker and more "mature"?
>>135592534
>my face when a secondary says Shirou is shit or F/Z is better than F/SN
>>135592430
>where Shirou leaps around like superman
That's valid.
>spams Rho Aias
He uses it all of once.
>essentially making UBW useless whereas in the VN it was pivotal to beating Gil
He spends the whole fight controlling swords. Hell, the anime does a much better job than the VN ever did of conveying the fact that in UBW, Shirou's swords are MUCH faster than Gil's.
>>135592606
the true zero sequel
I read the visual novel and I enjoyed it. I even think it improved upon some things from Unlimited Blade Works. Most memorable of all was that during the scene where Caster steals Saber by using Fujimura as bait, the setting is within some kind of reality marble-esque location, rather than merely Shirou's house.
And of course, it was amazing getting to see all of the Noble Phantasms come to life. The only weakness was that they cut out the sex scene in favour of that "sharing magical energy" shit.
>>135587722
>all the VN readers hate this adaption
What? Who told you this? No one hate it except 0.5% of people who rate every episode as 1/5 on niconico and one shitposter without life.
>>135592655
He fucking surfboards with Rho Aias in mid-air as Gil misses him countless times
Someone webm that scene, it's hilarious
>>135587722
Kinda boring a lot of the time, did not give a shit about Archer or Illya, and the pretentiousness of the second half gave me nausea.
>>135592515
Are... you being serious right now ?
Why the fuck do you disagreed with the guy saying you didn't get Shirou character then ?
Nasu said that, yes, but he meant something else, so if you knew the meaning behind those words, why not flat out saying it rather than expecting other people to interpret what you say ?
>>135592728
Caster kidnapping Taiga in Shirou's house built on the previous day's scene where Rin and Shirou discussed bounded fields. Ufo fucked up by changing location to random crappy CGI water area.
>there are secondaries right now lying about reading the VN while saying that they wouldn't gratefully lap up Nasu's dickcheese and don't even passionately hate the hacks that butchered his masterpiece
>>135592465
>Huh?
Let me elaborate: consider all three routes. In Fate, she shows up for one scene, shows RB for all of three seconds (fifteen in a bad end), then dies to Gil. In HF she doesn't even get to speak, as I recall. In UBW the only thing of note that she does is breaking Saber and Archer's contracts and gloating. The important thing about her is RB, not Caster herself. Her backstory does nothing for her character.
>waah, I've been betrayed by everyone I ever loved
>dunno, let's satisfy this guy I just fell in love with's dream
>>135588489
When they read F/SN as your their VN at 15, it becomes way better than it actually is in their minds.
>>135592825
>why not flat out saying it rather than expecting other people to interpret what you say ?
Ask Nasu.
>>135592840
>>135592825
I disagreed with his assessment of me as someone who does not get the thing that I do get.
>>135591555
>Shirou wants to become a hero
>Shirou sees Archer, his dream realized albeit not the way he idealised it
>Shirou is forced to live with the fact that he can't save everybody and that saving people will not always bring the desired effect
>Shirou accepts the fact that the hero's path is an impossible one and one he shouldn't attempt to realize but he'll nevertheless live by his ideals
It's really not that hard to understand if you've actually read the VN or watched the anime, although the last episode kinda fucked up. It's only in HF where Shirou chooses to protect his loved ones over becoming a hero so that's a different development all on its own. So Shirou is a character that does get developed.
>>135587722
I'm a VN reader and I think this adaptation is close to perfection.
>>135592999
Ah, yes, bait images. I forgot the greatest weapon against sensible reasoning.
>20484 posts on mal
>nonstop shitposting in every fate threads
NEET master race
>>135593144
Your rudimentary understanding of Caster's character is about as bad as the average secondary. Even ANN's "toxic masculinity" reviewer had a better grasp than you do.
"Sensible reasoning" my ass, you can't follow the text at all.
>>135593144
>the greatest weapon against retarded secondaries
>>135587722
I'm a VN reader and I liked it. I actually would be surprised if other VN readers didn't.
>>135593255
Then please, explain the link between her backstory and her actions in the HGW.
>>135593271
Hilariously enough, most of the times the ones posting bait images are actually secondaries.
>>135593273
I read the VN recently enough I like UBW just fine. The VN can be kind of mess at times. And, god damn, does Sakura being sick take way too much fucking time in HF. The HF movies might be better than the VN if they cut most of that shit out.
(Whats up with Nasu and fever dreams that go on forever?)
>>135593378
>secondaries
I bet you don't even read DDD, EOP
Neat.
>>135593484
Nasu's fever dreams and insanity writing is great, though.
>>135593484
That's one of the things I look forward to seeing in the HF movie, all of the unnecessary shit getting cut out.
>>135590483
>In regards to people who watched Zero first: If people weren't familiar with Gilgamesh and Saber from Fate/Zero, there'd be even less people that would care about him. The UBW anime is certainly not compelling and interesting, and doesn't make the main cast enjoyable to follow and care about.
As a Zero secondaries, I definitely agree about this. While I certainly do enjoy UBW, I feel that my appreciation of it would have been lesser if I haven't watched Zero first.
UBW itself couldn't have made care about the characters whatsoever. It's compelling enough in term of action and its visual presentation, which is why I believe this anime is so well received, but the main aspects of it such as the characters, their backstories, or the universe itself* should seem shallow even for animeonlies. (guess flashy explosions is all that matters)
*Refers to what >>135588231 said about Ufo not explaining things.
>Shirou's powers never being explained thus making them complete random asspull, the setting never being explained, difference between magic and magecraft is never explained, magic circuits never being even explained, etc)
The lack of a proper Fate route adaption should have been one more reason for Ufo to cover all the aspects of the Fate universe.
I'm glad I read Fate route afterwards because I would love to see an animeonly explaining things such as magic circuits, the mana or crest transfer, every sentence of Archer to/about Artoria without it.
>>135593378
The Fate universe has a decidedly sympathetic take on the character. This part of the myth is eliminated in the Type-Moon version -- by scrubbing that out, Fate emphasizes Medea's victimhood. She's a pure maiden who was “corrupted” into a witch by Jason.
Fate/stay night plays up the tension between Medea's tragic past and her horrible actions. Disgusted by her Master's actions, Medea eventually betrays him and is left to die with no mana source. She then meets her second master, Souichirou Kuzuki. They fall in love, and Medea resolves to win the Grail and start a new life with him. We're first introduced to her as a monstrous figure who endangers bystanders and tortures Saber, but in the end, we learn that her motives come from a place of pain, and that she's genuinely in love with Souichirou. Although she loses the war (ironically due to an act of betrayal), the narrative rewards her with time spend happily alongside a decent man.
>>135593536
Fuck off
>>135593609
I could add the HGW itself with the trone concept, Artoria keeping her memory, the counter force concept (more linked to KnK but still important), etc.
>>135593609
>the Fate universe.
>>135593809
>(more linked to KnK but still important)
You fail to understand the setting.
>>135593134
I agree with this person. It was very well done.
>>135593502
>let's bring irrelevant things in the discussion!actually English is my second language, sorry.
>>135593692
>pasta
Still gonna bite. So she gets betrayed by everyone everywhere, and in a stroke of pure genius she trusts a random guy. She then decides to win the war for him, despite not knowing what his wish is, or the fact that he has, you know, none.
Nope, I still fail to see how backstory and actions are connected.
>>135588231
>difference between magic and magecraft is never explained
I actually liked it more this way, the distinction is only important to world-building autists because it serves practically no purpose in-story.
This is also a pretty big problem with the Nasuverse as a whole in that it tries systematizing and categorizing magic and the supernatural in general and in doing so renders it pointless and mundane - it's just another technique that can be relied on and that you can predict the results of.
Ancient myths are supposed to be weird as fuck, with no clear power levels or rankings and generally disjointed and disturbing, like e.g. the Norse gods tearing apart a frost giant's corpse and building the world with it. I feel like if Nasu and other people in TM played RuneQuest and HeroQuest instead of DND that they'd produce much weirder and much more interesting stuff. You can clearly tell that the people who worked on, for example, post-Daggerfall TES lore clearly had an interest in philology and that it paid off enormously.
>>135590649
I kind of hated it cuz it interrupted the Gilgamesh vs Heracles fight I had been so hyped about got like eight minutes.
>>135593791
Why
>>135587722
It's a faithful adaptation of some really bad source material.
>>135594093
The distinction between Magic and Magecraft is pretty important in Heaven's Feel.
Hell, it's arguably important as soon as Saber starts spouting off shit about "multi-dimensional refraction phenomena" against Kojiro.
>>135587722
>All the VN readers hate this adaption.
>Source: my ass.
>>135594093
>it serves practically no purpose in-story
It's fucking integral to understanding how much a threat Caster is
She imitates Magic within her controlled areas, something that (surprise) wasn't explained in Ufoshittable anime
>>135587722
Because it is poorly done and the OST is shit.
>>135587722
It's better than the original route in the VN.
I prefer Atari Dumbledore form the game Porkslope Turkeyhandle.
>>135594166
>It's a faithful adaptation
Now we have people who believe F/SN is anything like Ufo garbage
See
>>135588231
>>135589688
>>135590487
>>135594205
>inb4 muh Last Stardust
>inb4 muh BRAVE SHIIIIINE
I really don't get why the OST gets praise on /a/.
Is this the shitposting thread?
I hate how they treated shinji's character. Other than that it's ok.
>>135588231
>- Awfully uneven pacing
That was big a problem in the VN as well.
>>135594303
Yes, very much so. You can thank CookingPriest as usual.
>>135594275
>I really don't get why the OST gets praise on /a/
>The contributions of Mr. Hideyuki Fukasawa, who did the music, were large, even in terms of calories. For the first time in TV Anime history (I believe), he made 400 compositions for the entire score of the film while referencing the drawings. And he was even present for the dubbing. I requested music at the end of the provisional cuts (shooting the drawings, and setting the timings in order). The voice actors' voices are also added at this stage. But drawings keep being added afterwards, and the cutting process is repeated in accordance with those additions, until I finally have them do the FX. The music is written and recorded live in between that provisional cutting and the actual cutting, so when we alter a place where music was added, the music has to be adjusted once more. Fukasawa does that adjusting, and also handles orders for the the final adjustments during dubbing. That is how much he has done for us. I am grateful.
TL;DR: amazing technical quality, and not much competition for the repetitive and gimicky F/Z ost.
>>135594182
>>135594204
Sure, but the whole baggage of how the distinction between the two changes as humans advance their worldviews and knowledge of mage(craft) is not the only possible explanation and a fairly stupid and vague one in my opinion. A simple "Magic in Medea's time was fundamentally different" would alone have been enough and it wouldn't really matter how.
>>135594303
All Type Moon threads are shitposting threads.
>>135594353
Not in the UBW route.
>>135594359
I don't even know why people argue with him.
>>135587722
I don't hate it, I just don't seem nearly as obsessed with the franchise as other people are. Indifference I suppose.
>>135594390
That might suffice in UBW alone, but once Heaven's Feel comes around you're going to need to know EXACTLY what True Magic is.
>>135592655
>He spends the whole fight controlling swords. Hell, the anime does a much better job than the VN ever did of conveying the fact that in UBW, Shirou's swords are MUCH faster than Gil's.
Wrong. Ufotable almost misunderstood the concept of UBW as its interest and importance were poorly shown during this fight. Shirou deflected most of the swords with Kanshou and Bakuya whereas UBW should have been the main and only viable option for him to win against the GoB. Surfing on Aias while doing Naruto shit is cool to see but that ruins the concept of UBW which of course negate the last bit of believability this fight had. (not surprising that the overall battle felt like an asspul for many)
Not to mention that Gil couldn't aim for some reason.
>>135594621
>wanting a boring ass fight where they both stand still throwing swords at each other until Shirou closes the gap and slices Gil's arm.
Also
>Shirou deflected most of the swords with Kanshou and Bakuya
This is wrong, he grabbed copies of Gil's swords from the ground, which give him Gil's stats.
>>135594621
>not surprising that the overall battle felt like an asspul for many
Your imaginary friends don't count.
>>135594807
>This is wrong, he grabbed copies of Gil's swords from the ground, which give him Gil's stats.
My bad.
>Your imaginary friends don't count.
Tell that to those who haven't read the VN.
>giving Saber bigger tits
That's something they should leave to doujins.
>>135594621
If UfoUBW was not such a noncanon garbage we could have had faithfully recreated fights instead of Naruto shit.
>>135587722
People have standards that are too high
muh secondaries lmao
>>135594937
And how does the newest Saber make you feel, anon?
>>135594621
>18:11:57
>Naruto shit
>>135594967
>18:20:23
>Naruto shit
>>135595059
I too watched Fate/Zero on Netflix with the English dub. Matt Mercer's Kiritsugu is so badass.
>>135594967
>noncanon
>Nasu
>noncanon
tryharder
>>135593980
>>135593692
Still waiting here. Is irrelevant pasta all you had?
>>135595148
Yes, Shirou flying and surfboarding Rho Aias as if he has servant stats is non-canon shit. Multiverse doesn't mean you can break fundamental laws.
>>135595171
Wait a sec
>>135595171
Wait a sec anon
>>135595199
>he doesn't know about Nasu reaction on UBW and his cooperation with Ufotable
>he can't read Nasu's tweets because EOP
You're fuckin zealot
>>135595199
But Rho Aias is a Noble Phantasm that belongs to the hero Ajax. Shirou can download stats from it too, it's not like he used his own strength for that feat.
Fatefags are literally entry level VN readers. It's like Naruto fags complaning about their anime adaptation. It's hilarious. Read some good VNs you faggots.
>>135587722
I'm a VN reader and I don't hate the dapation.
>>135595337
>>135595337
>Not a new IP address
>>135595337
>good VNs
>>135594937
This is about the exacty point where the series gave me an out and I knew I could stop trying to take it as seriously as it seemingly wanted me too up to that point. Thanks Aniplex/ufoTABLE
>>135595337
>Read some good VNs you faggots
Like what? /a/ doesn't know shit about good VNs, don't pretend you do.
>inb4 Umineko, Clannad, SnU, Muv Luv, Tsukihime, Steins;Gate, Little Busters, Rewrite, Ever 17, Grisaia, GSnM, Uguu, Nice Boat or Crapawa Shitjo are good and totally not entry level.
>>135587722
>I am not a VN reader
Filthy secondaries should die.
>>135595337
＞Read some good VNs you faggots.
さらに説明する必要がある。
>>135595676
Ah yes the classic /jp/ retard argument that if it's translated in English then it's entry level and not good
>>135595676
Epic post, my man! Upvoted! :) I too believe entry-level is synonymous with bad.
>>135595741
It has nothing to do with the language, I could actually read most of them in Japanese nowadays.
But can you honestly claim and justify that a single one of them is really good or not entry-level?
Regardless of that, my question was clear, what do you think is a good VN that can't be considered entry-level?
>>135595751
They are not good on their own, not because they are entry level.
>>135595952
Most of VNs you listed are good including F/SN
>what do you think is a good VN that can't be considered entry-level?
Sakura no Uta
>>135595995
Kek.
>>135595952
You first justify why all of those are bad and entry-level. I'll wait.
The funniest part here is that a lot of what you listed have really high scores on EGS and are considered kamige by the nips.
>>135596179
Not him, but outside of MLA, which one that he listed is considered a kamige?
>>135596026
>Most of VNs you listed are good including F/SN
kek. I even included Saya no Uta, Tsukihime, Kanon, School Days and Katawa Shoujo on that list and you dare tell me that? my fucking sides man.
>Sakura no Uta
>Liking passive eroge shit
>>135596179
>why all of those are bad
Find out for yourself, I'm not writing a wall of text for each one. If you want, you can tell me why they're not bad, but no pressure.
>entry-level
They are obviously entry-level. The fact that that most of /a/ knows every single one of them
and I have read them all despite not being a hardcore VNfag is proof enough. They're also massively popular, translated and really easy to find and download.
>>135596265
FSN
>>135596463
So no argument. Not surprised shitposter.
>The fact that that most of /a/ knows every single one of them
You're a fucking retard if that's what you think entry level means. Go back to /jp/ and parrot whatever they say since you seem to be incapable of forming your own opinion.
>>135596265
Subahibi
>>135592606
Zerofag secondaries would fucking rage even more than UBW.
>Zerofag favourite Gilgamesh getting BTFO by a high school girl so quickly in the story.
>Zerofag favourite Kirei losing to Shirou because of time(asspull !! whoahh)
>Its the least battle royale of all F/SN where most of the servants got BTFO like trash.
>Unlimited Senpai Works from Wormslut
>Cooking Scenes and SOL on the first half
>>135596621
FZ is literally the worst thing to ever happen to FSN.
>>135596268
I don't say this often but man, your taste is shit.
>>135596674
Type Moon is literally the worst thing to happen to pop culture.
>>135596559
And where exactly is your argument?
You claim they're not entry-level and that they are good yet you don't back it up with anything.
You clearly haven't read any of them, probably not even F/SN. But don't worry, you'll do it soon enough, since they are entry-level after all.
>>135596265
F/SN
>>135596621
I don't think all zerofags are retarded. Muh
colleagues likes UBW. And HF has more WoD vibes than UBW
>>135596265
Regardless of what any retard here thinks, FSN is widely considered a kamige by nips.
>>135596729
>And where exactly is your argument?
>You claim they're not entry-level and that they are good yet you don't back it up with anything.
That's not how it works, anon. You claimed first that they're all shit, so now you have to actually support that claim if you want anybody to take it seriously.
>>135596621
>Its the least battle royale of all F/SN where most of the servants got BTFO like trash.
Actually, doesn't it have the most fights out of the three routes?
>>135596621
Didn't zerofags love Kiritsugu?
I'm sure they'll love Shirou because muh dark choices. Not as much as Kiritsugu, but way more than UBW Shirou.
Nothing will trump Zero for them, mostly because its not a "high school setting" and all the masters are adults. But I expect to see a lot of shitty opinions on how HF is superior to UBW just because its darker.
Personally I'm excited for all the shitflinging.
>>135596684
>Liking Ctulhu porn, cripple porn, child porn and mollusk porn.
>not shit taste
>>135596729
>>135596559
You're arguing about nothing, bakas.
>>135596762
Zerofags secondaries got promised by a lot of people that HF is the ''true sequel'',''closest thing to F/Z''and ''Mature''.
A lot of secondaries are literally expecting F/Z 2 from HF.
>>135596782
Who /hype/ for YU-NO remake?
>>135596782
>Chaos;Child
Woah. It's sales very very bad. Only true fans bought it because of Xbone
>>135587722
>most of the people who read it hates UFO adaption of ubw
[citation needed]
>>135596878
Who /hype/ for Tsukihime remake?
>>135596790
>I-I totally have a rock-solid argument, but y-you first, because there is a sacred rule that compels you to do so, yeah, that's it!
I've already gave you my reasons, you just tried to skip your turn by claiming those don't constitute an argument. Burden of proof is on your side, why do you claim I'm wrong?
>>135597015
I'm not.
Its going to be terrible.
>>135597020
>I've already gave you my reasons
You haven't
>>135597059
>best Type Moon VN remade with Mahoyo-tier visuals and Fukusawa music
I don't see what could go wrong
>>135596914
And now you know why it's getting ported to PC
I now have two wishes
1.For the VN to be translated
2. Since until a VN translation comes around, the anime is going to be how many of us first experience the story, please be in good hands and NOT Madhouse (I don't trust them after CH)
>>135597141
this.
>>135597141
No translation for EOP
>>135594275
Because muh special tailored OST, retards actually think there is merit in making shit remixes of something already good.
At least not all studios are inept at adapting VN, LIDEN is using the original composer/music in the Shwarzermarken anime.
>>135597087
Can you read?
>the fact that that most of /a/ knows every single one of them and I have read them all despite not being a hardcore VNfag is proof enough. They're also massively popular, translated and really easy to find and download.
This is by no means wrong. And just take a look at those sale numbers/downloads. This is the shit that normies read when they don't know any better, it screams entry-level.
>>135597235
>not knowing Mcjon plans on translating the remake within 6 months of release
>>135597274
>normies
>reading VNs at all
![[UTW]_Carnival_Phantasm_-_02_[BD][h264-720p_AC3][C35BB2AD].mkv_snapshot_03.28_[2015.12.30_12.59.12].png](https://i.imgur.com/7PG6qxf.png "[UTW]_Carnival_Phantasm_-_02_[BD][h264-720p_AC3][C35BB2AD].mkv_snapshot_03.28_[2015.12.30_12.59.12].png")
>>135597015
>they make an anime after the remake is out
>they use the shit designs
>>135597141
>no rape
>those character designs
>>135597274
>Normies
Opinion invalidated.
>>>/r9k/
>>135597314
Sounds good, everything except Arc's hair looks great.
>>135597274
Not him but implying any kind of realation beetween popularity and quality in any medium is retarded
>>135596800
Technically yes but most of the ones not in the last two days are really short to the point of barely standing out. Like Rider getting gutted by Saber in 20 seconds.
>>135597347
I agree, the vent needs to be more pronounced.
>>135597282
my sides in pain
>>135597308
Normies do read VNs, or technically "play" them. I read my first VN when I was a teenager with an actual social life and little knowledge about anime. I first went in thinking of it as a videogame more than a CYOA book.
But enough of that, where's your counter argument?
>>135597245
About that. One of the few good points of Danganronpa the Rushjob Animation was that they used the game's OST most of the time IIRC (I hope you'll understand why after the TV airing, I have no desire to rewatch that)
Seriously, if you already have good music, use it
