I know you cant magically get more frames for something but Ive heard that you can get a program to mimic 60fps, what it essentially does is generate frames by averaging every 2 frames pictures or something? Not too sure
What id like to watch would be something as smoothe like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZfFAPii2gE
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHPVDXwMxiA
>how do I watch 60fps anime?
Short answer: You're being stupid.
The long answer is a fair deal longer but it boils down to the same thing. You are not a clever man, and this is not a flattering example of your intellectual achievements.
>>135455612
What is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHPVDXwMxiA
then? pls explain
Yes there is, but please don't fall for the motion interpolation meme, it might make some shots look pretty good, but it looks like shit most of the time.
If you want a smooth playback without tearing and interpolation artifacts use ReClock + madVR instead
>>135455651
Look at the title of the video, buddy.
>>135455413
my TV can do it. It looks horrible.
>>135455709
oh so are they exaggerating this? (or lying?)
https://www.svp-team.com/w/images/thumb/8/86/Memc.jpg/460px-Memc.jpg
seemed too good to be true anyway
>>135455835
It's vastly exaggerated, it makes some shots like slow pans and some moving things, but it introduces lots of noise and artifacts.
Just look at this webm, the stabbing part looks pretty good but it completely fucks up the outlines and shading, specially in Yuki's face towards the end
>>135456098
I dont really understand whats wrong with the shading and outlines in yukis face? I haven't seen 60fps comparisons with the original but maybe thats why, do you happen to have a comparison with the original?
How do you think SVP is overall? good? bad?
>>135456300
If you go frame by frame, you can see the shading and linework jiggle around in ways that don't make sense.
>>135456098
God that looks so awful
>>135456300
Look at the shading on her cheek, it gets all wavy and shit, same with her glasses
>>135456347
if you go frame by frame, sure. It's animation though, it's only goal is to look good in motion, and the majority of the time I think SVP achieves that without sacrificing all that much
>>135456456
You can see it wiggling around like that at full speed too, it's just more obvious when you go frame by frame.
>>135456372
>>135456347
I literally cant see anything wrong, could someone post a screenshot of the exact frame? besides why would frame by frame even matter? were watching the overall thing and it seems pretty damn good?
>>135456504
full screen it. I didn't notice at native either but they're right. I still think fluid motion is worth the price, though
>Making anime 60 fps in so much more expensive
"Well lets just give them more money"
>Studios start jewing
>Anime stays at shit fps
>>135456504
Look at Yuki's cheek. The line jitters around and it looks horrid.
>>135456553
OHH i see it now, thanks it looks like a blobby ditto movement effect right? her eye pupils
>>135456504
It's not an exact frame or even a frame by frame issue, if you pay attention to the shading on the bottom of her cheek ant the lineart of her glasses and her eyes, they ripple like she's made out of fucking jello
>>135456504
>>135456456
>individual frames don't matter because I can't see them
>but I need these frames because []
>>135456636
yeah I finally noticed this, but I dont really think this is a big problem, after all were usually looking at the centre of the screen, minor details like that are usually not noticed unless inspected on thoroughly
If you're not a fucking autist, SVP is dope. There'll be some artifacts but I never notice them, and it's worth it because 60 fps is so much more visually pleasing. Especially on action focused anime like fate/stay etc.
I'll even watch shit like kiss x sis with SVP on, but that's up to you. People who say "that looks like shit" are anime elitist faggots, which are the worst kind of elitist faggots, and they need to go back to their "purest form of art" mangu.
Anime derives no benefit from 60 fps. None. You're a retard. The basic idea behind a higher frame rate is the ability to theoretically capture more detail. Except animation isn't capturing images in the first place, so you're not going to get any additional details. Things like motion blur and persistence of vision are taken into account by the animator, and while increasing the frame rate from shooting on threes to twos or ones will give you a smother motion when handled by a competent animator, there's also diminishing returns that kick in. So much so that unless you're talking about an action scene with rapid movement, either character or camera, you often get no major improvement from going from twos to ones.
Motion Interpolation is dog shit and >>135456098 is a stupid scene to use because it's a slow-motion scene. 60fps anime is garbage.
>>135456740
>and they need to go back to their "purest form of art" mangu.
>not novels
>>135456300
I bought SVP 4 and it fixed a few of my major gripes (moving stuff behind text, such as credits looks way better now), but due to the nature of what anime is, forcing it to 60fps is just always going to cause some garbage. Going 2x framerate is a good compromise if you're super-anal but I haven't had any real deal breakers just watching it set to monitor refresh rate.
By the way, to anyone with SVP and the Rewrite VN, try watching the first OP with SVP and be amazed. It's too bad anime doesn't work the same way...yet.
>>135456736
You would definitely start to notice that after watching for a few minutes.
>>135456740
Too bad most anime is animated at 12fps and has lots of still images, so SVP gives no benefits at best and completely fucks shit up at worst.
>>135456780
Anime is 90% pans and zooms nowadays, so...
>>135456780
>The basic idea behind a higher frame rate is the ability to theoretically capture more detail
Except it's not. If I'm watching a ball slide back and forth across a gray table in 24 vs. 60 fps, the 60fps isn't going to have any more detail, it's just going to look a lot nicer and smoother to my eyes. The smoothness is aesthetically pleasing, just like it is in anime.
>>135456792
>I bought SVP 4 and it fixed a few of my major gripes (moving stuff behind text, such as credits looks way better now)
Reclock + madVR's smooth motion fixes that for free.
Well I just dled it and installed it, how do I use it? Its just sitting at the bottom right of my taskbar in the system tray icons.
Does it try apply it to everything? so its active as long as the process is running?
I use SVP and I love it. 60fps is more visually pleasing for me, though I do get artifacts and the subs get a little messed up in action scenes due to being hardsubbed(horriblesubs). It looks great to me and I wish more media was filmed/made in higher fps like the hobbit etc.
>>135457055
use this guide to get everything set up. And if SVP says it does not support X64 application, open mpc and open the media file from inside mpc instead of just going to the folder in your explorer and double clicking on the file.
>inb4 reddit
fuck off.
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/2i9bwl/guide_for_windows_here_is_how_you_can_watch_all/
>>135456952
>60fps isn't going to have any more detail
>it's just going to look a lot nicer and smoother to my eyes
I don't know if this is supposed to be a joke or if you really are that obtuse. The smoother motion is, by definition, the result of greater detail. More frames captured means more information captured. The question is whether or not that added information adds to the visual fidelity.
Recording video of a ball bouncing and drawing an animation of a ball bouncing are two different things. Nobody animates at 60 frames, and an algorithm trying to guess at extra frames looks awful. Even if they did animate at 60 frames there would be no increase in the animation quality, just the cost and labor required.
>>135455413
>wanting anime to look like cheap mexican soap operas.
Was just a matter of time when the retards from /v/ want everything at 60 fps even in media that doesnt benefit of it.
>>135457203
So does this mean I cant use it if I already have KCP and need to uninstall everything and cant apply it over my KCP?
>>135455413
>kissanime
fuck off
>>135455413
Even if you could, 60fps is shit for anythng besides gaming anyway
>>135457203
Some of the steps dont apply anymore since its outdated
Animation is stop motion pictures.
Anything over 30FPS is disgustingly disgusting.
If I ever live to see anime in 60FPS, I will kill myself.
>>135457487
madVR's smooth motion will get in the way of the interpolation and fuck things up even further than SVP does by itself
Just disable it on madVR's settings, you don't want to uninstall it, specially considering that any sort banding will cause SVP to flip it's shit up and cause lots of noise
Was it madVR or SVP that messes with some visual novel? I kinda wanna try 60fps anime again since it's as >>135456894 says but this shits complicated.
>>135455413
>tldr
Yes this exist.
1. Makes fight/action scenes look neat sometimes or more fluid
2. Makes day to day anime look horrible.
You better be watching some good fucking action anime with a lot of martial art fighting.
>>135457813
SVP.
For pans and zooms madVR + ReClock is more than enough.
ITT: plebs not watching their anime in 144hz shggydggym80
>>135457920
Can you explain to me what each of this stuff does? Ive got 1 billion tray icons now
>Look at pic related
I don't really know if this thread is serious or not, if it's, it just show how retarded are /v/fags
>>135458061
It's called spyware.
>>135458174
pls anon no tricks
>>135458061
>wants to get the superior viewing experience
>doesn't know what each component does and uses codec packs and shitty meme tools
Just stick to Crunchyroll, kid
>>135458061
we told it's shit and not to use it, now you want advice after you've installed it. abandon thread
>>135458225
not everyone is a nerd in computer graphics anon
>>135458255
I just want to try compare, I tried running it and my comp cant even handle it so im going to remove it anyway, I would like to know what all the mad vr + reclock stuff doeswhy does everyone have to be so mean desu?
>>135458225
Tch, nothin personell *cleans blood of katana*
>>135458284
>not everyone is a nerd in computer graphics anon
If you can't be bothered to educate yourself then don't install shit you don't know what it does.
>>135458393
I literally tried to learn by googling all this shit, none of it makes sense if you dont have a strong background in this shit.
>Dont install shit you don't know what it does
I literally dled MPC for the fucking memes, dont even know why its superior to VLC but if I use VLC everyone will take a shit on my headIf you know it well enough you should be able to explain it to me concisely, anonpls
>>135458061
From left to right
FFDShow that SVP installs for some obscure reason.
xySubFilter
madVR
LAV Filters that KCP installs separately for some retarded reason despite the fact that they have been built in MPC-HC for years.
>>135458469
>>>/v/
>>>/reddit/
>>135458519
I mean, what do each of those things do? (vaguely)
>>135458550
never even been to /v/ before
>>135458284
>never get oil changed in car
>GOD I'M NOT A MECHANIC GEEZ
Use common sense and you'll be fine
>>135455413
>google doesn't exist I'll just ask /a/
go fuck yourself
I seriously hope nobody spoonfed OP
>>135458579
>I mean, what do each of those things do? (vaguely)
google it
All you have to do is tune SVP to only process panning scenes.
>>135458583
What does oil fluid even do in a car, serious.
>Use common sense and you'll be fine
I mean, obviously since it was dled with the KCP pack its supposed to make a viewing experience better but I dont know how it makes it better exactly, plus its not really common sense
>>135458650
>What does oil fluid even do in a car, serious.
do you not own a car
Do you live in a developed nation even? You have to have heard of an "Oil Change" before
>I mean, obviously since it was dled with the KCP pack its supposed to make a viewing experience better but I dont know how it makes it better exactly, plus its not really common sense
Oh, you're trolling, I see
>>135455413
You write an algorithm that interpolates between two images (frames), and run a video through it twice. It won't look good though.
>>135458613
Same result for others, pic related
>>135458709
>do you not own a car
no im not a normal fag
>Do you live in a developed nation even? You have to have heard of an "Oil Change" before
I have heard about it, dont know what it is or what it does though
>Oh, you're trolling, I see
How the fuck is that trolling?
the only thing SVP and all related projects are good for is CG. Everything else looks horrible.
KoS looked bearable with SVP/reclock/etc, but if you try it out with anything non-CG, it's going to be trash.
>>135458761
Now you are just trying too hard
>>135458809
No I'm not
>>135456098
I don't see anything wrong, it looks good
>>135458809
Go type up "What does madvr do" its exactly the same shit theres no fucking 1 word sentence that explains it coherently, desu im pretty fed up of "GO GOOGLE IT" google doesnt fucking provide answers for everything
>>135458820
>>135458874
>baiting this hard
>>135458874
>>135457707
Yeah I've got no clue what the hell to do once I get past the installing svp fully part. Just kinda sitting there with it since I can't seem to get into expert settings.
>>135455413
>not this shit agai-
>KEIKAKU DOORI.png
Nothing to see here, move along.
>>135458920
>>135458922
Look at pic related.
Im not fucking trolling, how can an average person even expect to interpret this bullshit? I dont know what they mean by this.
Thats why I asked for an explanation BY A HUMAN that follows the lines of something like this:
MadVR increases video quality by ______ which ______ hence improving the overall viewing experience.
Im not looking for fucking specifics like "DHURR INCREASES BANDING CONFIGURATIONS BY 9.4*10^34 ELECTRON VOLTS"
fuck sakes
>>135458968
The guide is stupid all you need to do is go to
view>Options>External (something I forgot)
Now remove all the crap on the top white part, click add filter look for "Fddp video source" or something that looks like that
60fps.
>>135459093
"designed as a no-compromise approach, madVR tries to achieve the best possible video playback quality"
I'm half blind and I can see this
>>135459093
Dummy.
>mfw the retards ITT thinking they know shit about animation
You are almost as pathetic as /v/ trying to have a serius discussion about game development.
I remember when Knights of Sidonia was airing, some anon made it pseudo-60fps because the CG looked so awful. That improved it a ton.
>>135456098
This looks good to me. I don't see the complaint.
>>135459860
>posts a /v/ image
>>135459953
And? It's also kinda /a/-related. And I don't remember ever reading that reaction images have to be entirely on-topic.
>>135459953
And a really cancerous one at that
>>135460064
It's just a board culture thing. Spend a little more time on /a/ and you'll notice that the only people who post /v/ reaction images are /v/ shitters. So if you want to not call attention to yourself, use anime or manga reaction images (which are in good supply after all).
However fair warning that posting Jojo pics still makes you seem like a retard.
>>135460406
Thanks for the advice, though it is customary on chans also not to take the opinions of others very seriously. I'd rather judge people by the content of their posts rather than some freak association with the fanbase. That kinda shit behaviour belongs on Tumblr and such.
>>135460650
You can do whatever you like. I'm not trying to promote fanbase discrimination or anything like that, to me it just feels like the equivalent of telling someone their fly is undone or their shirt is inside out.
>>135460899
More like a pack of muslims coming along and telling you to wear a burkha like the bitch you are.
>>135461330
This is good advice when you're in Saudi Arabia.
Recommended settings for SVP?no bully pls
>>135455413
I hate this /v/ meme so much. It's not even from /v/, it's from reddit where they misinterpret a joke and turned it into an identity
At least video games in 60 look decent since it's 3D, you play it and there's no motion blur and such. Anime, and most movies, are designed to run at 24 frames. Anime is usually made in 8 and bumping it up to 60 won't make it look better.
Remember redditor, framerate =/= smoothness
These are the types of people who advocate for everything 60fps, even though it's a completely arbitrary number that means nothing like 4k. Just a marketing term at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh2Tevkj2nQ
>>135462593
not him, but >>135456098 sure as hell looks more fluid to me.
>>135462593
>are designed to run at 24 frames
Were designed to run at 24 frames because it's the lowest framerate (cheapest) you can use before the average mongrel notices the choppiness.
>>135462715
more hair movement =/= fluid
makes me puke tbhq, that's not what the creator meant it to look like, it looks both artificial and bad
the knife stab looks fine, but there is way too many unnecessary movements that ruin the whole slow-mo effect
Not only are you retarded but you don't even know how to greentext.
>>135462889
you sound like the peoplee who hated the hobbit at 48fps
>>135455413
What is this obsession some people have with changing their anime? They want to swap out the audio tracks for English ones and edit in additional frames and shit like this is some sort of make-your-own-show medium. Is it the video-player tuning sense or the overlap with the gaming crowd that makes people feel like modding is natural? I don't see this widespread impulse with any other medium or their interest group.
>>135463027
didn't watch it, but aside from panning shot it probably looks like shit
Fucking delete this thread. It's a disaster.
ITT: One literal retard
>>135463078
nah, you are just a luddite.
Is OP from /v/, reddit, tumblr or MAL?
>>135456098
Everything looks like jelly and wriggling worms.
>>135463273
>
He's from Gaia for sure.
>there are people who unironically think over 30fps anime and movies are bad
it's one thing to say the artifiacts it makes are bad but to say the fluidity itself is is pure retard
>>135463606
Fluidity is great, but SVN is shitty and the only option
>>135463606
But the itself fluidity looks like shit because of the artifacts.
>>135463606
I've got nothing against the fluidity itself. I have something against my computer's attempts to draw extra anime to fill my episode with. Just throwing more in-betweens in doesn't improve things.
>>135463755
it does add fluidity though, just at a cost of wobbles
Guys help
I switched to MPC since it's supported by SVP. However, MPC isn't showing subtitles when playing mkv files, and nothing on google seems to be able to fix it.
if interpolation is so good it can create 52 out of 60 frames out of nothing why don't animation studios fire all their inbetweeners and just use svp? checkmate atheists.
>>135466030
install Kawai codek pack
>>135466030
What render are you using, nigga?
>>135470193
>implying s/v/p fags know shit about players
>>135456098
Oh god that hair movement is seriously creeping me out.
>>135456098
How can people defend this?
The only time you should use SVP for anime is with a low threshold so it only affects pans.
Anything else and you're trying to get more motion from limited animation, which just simply isn't going to work.
Probably looks neat in something like Etotama though.
>>135463039
Blame /v/.
>>135470193
If he would know that, he wouldn't have this problem in the first place probably.
MVTools with MPV
SVP is counterfeit software
