/a/ Tell me which route is the best one, and what can I hope foe Heaven's Feel
Which route is best is subjective. Fate is garbage though.
In HF you can hope for lots of Illya, suffering and some really badass moments.
If you can get past all the cooking with worms.
HF is the best route.
>>135346723
ubw, obviously
Plus can watch the anime alongside it
>>135346723
either UBW or HF, it comes down to personal preference
in HF you can expect things to be different, with characters who didn't do much in previous routes finally getting the spotlight, but also the main character going through a very different arc than he did in the previous routes.
>like UBW the best
>it's objectively shit
>all that garbage ass dialogue you have to go through again from fate
>Gil is is generic bad guy nr.3082
>ILLYA FUCKING DIES
the only reason i actually like UBW is because i think Tohsaka is best girl andi actually really enjoyed the interaction between Archer and Shirou, from all the build up that carried over from fate and the overall theme of UBW
Well it could be wores. I could be a fate fag
Objectively i would say that HF is the best
Mind of steel ending is best thing in this shitty porn game.
HF is donutsteel and the whole premise of servants fighting other servants fucking destroyed by having a special snowflake oneshotting all of them.
UBW is a little bit less shit.
>>135346723
Fate is total garbage. UBW gets decent in the end with the whole EMIYA vs emiya thing. So obviously the most different and interesting route is HF
HF has Ilya.
>>135346723
I read through HF in a 30 hour marathon and I never want to touch anything Fate related again.
I also can't believe people like Sakura, the whole time she fucking whines, blames everyone but herself, kills a shit ton of people and yet I'm supposed to believe that any ending but Mind of Steel is a good one?
I'm not saying Shirou should have spent his life trying to uphold an impossible ideal, but that doesn't mean he had to become what is basically an accomplice to a serial killer.
>>135348839
>I also can't believe people like Sakura, the whole time she fucking whines, blames everyone but herself, kills a shit ton of people and yet I'm supposed to believe that any ending but Mind of Steel is a good one?
>I read through HF in a 30 hour marathon
We can tell. Sakura only killed Shinji, Zouken, True Assassin and Kotomine. Killing villains is generally known as being a useful and proactive heroine.
Fate route was bogged down by the endless exposition and infodumping, otherwise it would've been fine.
HF was bogged down by the fact that Sakura is a terribly written character.
UBW is the best route, even if I'm a Saberfag and I also hate that Illya died.
>>135349275
She killed more than half of town you fucking mongol.
>>135349499
That was Angra Mainyu.
>>135349606
Correction, that is the premature form of Angra Mainyu fueled by Sakura's thoughts, it still is very much her (as it even says in your own picture). However you're right in that she is killing unwillingly, to feed on mana.
>>135349890
>we're expected to hate Gilgamesh and Kotomine for killing to harvest mana
>Sakura does the same shit on a bigger scale but gets a happy ending
>>135350036
I agree with you, the mana was of course to keep herself alive, but a murderer she still is.
>>135349890
> that is the premature form of Angra Mainyu
In other words, not her. It possessed her body while she was asleep as a vessel to manifest itself, but its actions weren't something she controlled or wanted it to do. The fact she was horrified by the nightmares to begin with and stopped sleeping as soon as she realized they were real shows quite clearly that the actions of the shadow can't be blamed on her whatsoever.
>>135350036
Maybe that's a sign you read it wrong? By the way, the one time it's said that the shadow is killing because of Sakura's thoughts is in a conversation between Zouken and Shirou. That conversation happens to be on the day right after this scene.
>she dindu nuffin
Wormslut apologists never change
>>135350256
Hollow Ataraxia gives us a better look into Angra Mainyu. He describes himself as 0, and no matter how much you add 0 to 1 (Shirou), it will remain 1. So Avenger can only manifest while Shirou is asleep at night (same case with Sakura), we also see him killing people for fun right in front of Bazett.
However Avenger also clearly shows signs of being influenced by Shirou in the latter part of HA, so much that he himself decides to close the loop (which was originally Shirou's goal). Sakura also clearly has a darker, subconcious side of herself that she has been suppressing because of Shirou, it comes out as Dark Sakura later in HF. Is it too hard to see that this darker part of Sakura is most likely what fueled the killings? Now whether the actions of the shadow can or cannot be blamed on her is another point entirely that comes with her having her split-personality, and would be more subjective than anything.
>>135346723
UBW True > HF Good > Fate > HF True > UBW Good
>>135350718
Switch HF Good/ Fate, and this is a perfect list.
>>135350635
>Now whether the actions of the shadow can or cannot be blamed on her is another point entirely that comes with her having her split-personality
But she doesn't have a split personality
>>135350256
Sakura is aware in the later dreams and she even comments on how she enjoys them
>>135346723
> which route is the best one
Purely subjective. Choose for yourself - I, for example, like Fate the most, despite it being very far from the most popular opinion. As for hope... well, a lot of Sakura and Illya, for one thing. And some of the best action scenes too.
>>135350797
I think it would be more clear if we had a decent translation that Sakura is feigning the "split personality" to justify her murders. All Angra Mainyu's influence amounts to is her getting drunk.
>>135350797
Since I don't save pictures for arguments, here: http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20363/
A few lines before this picture
>She laughs.
>Double personality.
>The original Matou Sakura disappeared, and the other personality surfaced.
>That's the only logical reason for her change.
>But…
>"What are you talking about? You don't need to hide it, Matou Sakura."
>The priest quickly denies it.
Kirei denies it to further his own goals of having her give birth to Avenger.
HF.
>>135350797
Doesn't split personality comes purely from a desire to have one?
I want dark sakura to dominate me
HF is the most interesting route in my opinion. But it's obviously meant to be enjoyed as a whole. It's not like some romance VNs where each route can be totally independent with no overarching plot.
>>135349890
It's not fueled by Sakura's thoughts, it is something that instinctively wishes to be born, uses her powers, and tries to merge with her in order to manifest. It's pretty much eroding her mental health to be linked to it, it's why she is bring hit with so much information she shouldn't know, like when she mentioned Gilgamesh was washed over with the contents of the grail and that Kotomine had the fake heart made out of mud. It's something that is being linked to her, but it's a seperate entity.
The reason why they say it can't exist without Sakura is because she is the host. A spiritual entity can't affect this world if it doesn't have a vessel. What you are probably thinking of was when Zouken told Shirou that the Shadow hates what Sakura hates, but you are missing the point of the conversation from Zouken's side. He wants to use Shirou to make Sakura give up and have her consciousness collapse, so that her own will dies and she becomes AM completely, then he eats her brain and takes her body to use the grail's power.
Also 50 people is not half the town of hundreds of thousands. It's still tragic and I am not trying to minimalize that, fyi. To compare things, the fire of the 4th war took around 400.
>>135350615
>"wormslut"
Shitposters never change.
>>135350635
>we also see him killing people for fun right in front of Bazett
>this darker part of Sakura is most likely what fueled the killings
Stop and think about what you just typed for a second. Since when did Shirou ever harbor any thoughts about killing for fun?
The fact that Angra Mainyu kills even when possessing someone as pure as Shirou proves yet again what Kotomine, Ilya and pretty much all of F/SN and F/Z were saying: Angra Mainyu is pure evil that will turn absolutely anything into people dying and suffering, no matter its vessel or the wish. Considering nothing other than maybe the MO of the killings would change if someone else were the host, it's quite clear Sakura herself isn't at fault.
>>135350797
>1920x1080
Real subtle. As always, though, Kotomine is talking to and about Dark Sakura there.
>>135350828
She starts to enjoy them because she realizes she can't affect the events of a nightmare and decides to just go along with the ride, until Gilgamesh gives her a rude awakening to the fact it's reality right afterwards. She has no idea it's real until Gilgamesh attacks her, and the shadow never appears again after that night.
>>135350845
>>135350860
>All Angra Mainyu's influence amounts to is her getting drunk.
When she's Dark Sakura, that is, not the shadow. Kotomine himself states in an earlier scene that Angra Mainyu can either control her completely while she's unconscious (the shadow), or corrupt her mind gradually by permeating it while she makes its powers part of her (Dark Sakura).
>>135350036
Only because Illya decided so.
>>135346723
Fan opinion will say UBW is the best route which is why so many were upset with what they believe is a subpar adaptation. If you ask me, HF is the best route.
>>135351251
>Stop and think about what you just typed for a second. Since when did Shirou ever harbor any thoughts about killing for fun?
>The fact that Angra Mainyu kills even when possessing someone as pure as Shirou proves yet again what Kotomine, Ilya and pretty much all of F/SN and F/Z were saying: Angra Mainyu is pure evil that will turn absolutely anything into people dying and suffering, no matter its vessel or the wish. Considering nothing other than maybe the MO of the killings would change if someone else were the host, it's quite clear Sakura herself isn't at fault.
That's what I meant, initially it probably was Angra Mainyu that brought Sakura to kill. In HA he started being influenced by Shirou's pure thoughts, why does the same not happen in Sakura's case? in her case she only gets worse. It's even as you say, she starts taking pleasure in what she thinks is a dream of her getting her revenge on other people because they didn't help her, so she wants it to happen to some extent.
HF is the best route but only because it built up on what the two other routes already did.
If you were just to read one route and only that route Fate>UBW>HF but obviously that's not how it's supposed to be read so I would say HF>UBW>Fate.
>>135350860
The problem is that there were not so subtle hints Alter and Sakura were planning on dealing with AM, despite the madness they exhibited.
There are several scenes where they ask Shirou to back off when they could have killed him anytime and there was a certain scene where Alter says that Sakura would obtain the Holy Grail, even if it meant her death, and that was the only way she would be released.
It's more to it than just a black and white explanation. When the HF manga gets to it, maybe we will get more context, because there are several points to HF that are made intentionally vague and open to interpretation. It's why we still have these conversations to this day.
Hollow Ataraxia is the best route. Everyone is happy there.
>People in here are agreeing with me that Fate is the worest route
Okay faggots riddle me this then.
How come Saber is so popular?
I never really got why it was that people here on /a/ like her so much
>>135351485
You don't need the knowledge from other routes for HF.
>>135351762
Because she has no personality and often acts SO KAWAII
>>135351785
Nigger what? there is a reason you had to complete Fate and UBW in the original game before HF unlocked.
>>135351695
Well, except Avenger, but he is okay with that I guess?
>>135351477
I can see why you would think that, but read the second nightmare again. She wakes up afraid and searches her hands for blood and almost vomits from the feeling of the nightmare. Not exactly the type of person who delights in killing. Heck, she visibly shakes with hesistation at finishing Rin off in one scene, trying to convince herself that is right.
Hollow was also a completely different situation. Since AM for some reason decided to keep Bazett alive, but only caused pain and suffering for Sakura. Moreover, as someone who was already tainted once by AM, why hadn't it gone for Sakura instead of Shirou if it wanted to gain a vessel? She has shards of a vessel tainted by the mud since she was five years old after all. Besides the obvious idea to use the MC as a focal point, lore wise, it's strange if the two possessions had the same procedure.
Speaking of Hollow, you should read the scene Avenger talks to Medusa, then your theory would have more holes. Medusa loved Sakura because she knew her fate and yet tried her best not to fall into hating everything.
>>135351827
There is no reason. The most important pieces of data required to understand the story are delivered to you in the narration.
Everything else goes into interpretation discussion, and then you need the additional material from Fate and UBW.
>>135351695
>no Kotomine
route discarded
>>135351785
Sure, if want to confuse your ass and to lost like 85% of meaning behind route.
>>135351477
It's a moot point, because she was horrified and wanted it to stop at first, but it still didn't. Since she doesn't even know it's real at first, but takes all the proper actions to stop it once she learns it, deeming her to be responsible for its actions is literally to accuse her of thought crime. People would be dying to provide Angra Mainyu with mana no matter what, so it (supposedly) twisting her inner thoughts as a basis for its targets doesn't mean the responsibility shifts from it to her.
>>135351762
Because she's recognizable and heavily advertised. In Japan, that's all you need to be popular. On /a/, I'd say her popularity is pretty average.
>>135351895
Nope. You lose maybe 40% of the meaning. Everything else, including Archer's identity, Grail War, Sakura, Illya, Kotomine and other actually important points are explained enough.
>>135351785
Without Fate/UBW Shirouthrowing away his idealwouldn't have nearly the same impact as it did. It's not necessary but it makes a lot more enjoyable to read Fate/UBW first.
>>135351762
Saber's character is really well developed with probably the best ending in the entire VN. Fate has problems as a route, but she isn't one of them.
>>135351812
well so is Tohsaka and Sakura
i don't see how she is that different
there has to be more to it
>>135351936
>Saber's character is really well developed
stack of plywood.
>>135351762
Despite Fate being a bad route as a whole, Saber's story was still great, no?
>>135351849
Despite it being non-canon, I like to imagine that Avenger is now a second personality in Shirou's head and talk about shit together and are complete bros.
>>135351892
Caren is just as fun.
>>135351762
Because people only call Fate the worst route because it's the first one, thus the one people will end up complaining about the most if they start with FSN and then hate it for whatever reason.
Even then, worst route doesn't mean the route itself is bad, and doesn't stop Saber from being a likable character.
And in Japan Fate isn't viewed as the worst route, HF is.
>>135351985
>And in Japan Fate isn't viewed as the worst route, HF is.
Maybe among DEEN secondaries who only ever read spoilers and brief summaries of HF, back in 2006 or so.
>>135351985
>And in Japan Fate isn't viewed as the worst route, HF is.
I'm glad Japan has good taste.
>>135351985
>And in Japan Fate isn't viewed as the worst route, HF is.
No it isn't, HF is parodied and given about as much fanart as the other routes.
FSN as a whole is loved pretty heavily.
It's like saying Sakura is unpopular because she isn't shown absolutely everywhere. When she is one of the company's most beloved characters, and gets special birthday art each year from prominent artists.
>>135347076
This.
It features worst girl though.
>>135352051
That has nothing to do with secondaries, that's always been the case. If you look through the interviews Nasu and Takeuchi did during the TM anniversary, they specifically site HF as being the only route they really got negative feedback from back when the VN was released, though they also comment on how the route has gotten more popular overtime. It makes sense that it was poorly received since Sakura was less popular than Ilya and Rider back then.
>>135351985
When people call Fate worst route they're comparing it to the other two. Just think about what you said, it doesn't make any sense.
Fate route is considered worst because it's the intro route where a lot of things are introduced and not much happens. Almost everything interesting thing that happens in that route is expended upon in the other two routes, except Gilgamesh. I don't even think it's bad, I just think it doesn't stand on its own as well as the other two do.
>>135346723
Fate is objectively the best route.
>>135352132
>It makes sense that it was poorly received since Sakura was less popular than Ilya and Rider back then.
Which doesn't make much sense because Sakura hasn't had much exposure, and the last couple of polls had her in the top ten of all TM's characters. Even in Zero she had shit for screentime, and yet only grew more popular.
It might be tough for some to accept, but the lower numbers at the beginning could have just been knee jerk reactions to a very polarizing route. Shirou is consistently lower than all of the heroines even currently, when usually, the MC is right up there with them. Does this mean people just hate Shirou? I can't say that is the case, with the massive fanart and long fics he gets both her and in Japan.
>>135352406
> the last couple of polls had her in the top ten of all TM's characters
Source: your ass. This bitch even mocked in Carnaval. No one love her.
>>135352513
Nope, the official poll was an All Character Poll, votes taken aren't just in Japan either, it's international. If the archives were still up, I would point toward the thread for the one that took place during Zero's airing.
http://www.typemoon.com/special/special_tm10thkekka/votefes/index.html
There it is.
>>135348796
Did Shirou find out that Ilya was Kiritsugu's daughter in HF, or does he never know?
It's the only route I haven't read, did the other two just after the UBW translation came out and never went back and read HF.
HF because Illya. The 10% with Illya outshines the 90% of wormslut garbage.
Fate's still complete shit though.
>>135353427
Yes, he finds out.
>>135353427
>>135346723
>Heaven's Feel
>Cooking
>Sakura
Needs more Kotomine.
Sakura is at least better than Kohaku.
That one is truly disgusting and deserving of the most painful death.
>>135346723
>Delete Fate off my computer last night for disk space
>Realized just after I did it that I still haven't watched the final bonus ending
Fyck.
I mean I have the save files but reinstalling would be a pain in the ass.
>>135353995
>>135353995
Why don't you just buy external hard drives?
>>135354045
Because I'm currently low on cash and because even if I did I don't think keeping shit around I'm not using is worth it.
Well whatever, I don't like ShirouxSaber anyway.
There's a route for your mom that's pretty good.
>>135350036
Wait, we're expected to hate Kirei and Gilgamesh?
First time I've heard of that
>>135346723
Heavens feel and I'm a saberfag. Happy birthday to best priest.
>>135354999
Kotomine a qtno homo
