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>>135216957
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.
OSOltsu
Daily reps and good Character retention will come to you but only if you post "Thanks Steve" in this thread
>>135265596
>file name
>>135265614
Nah, fuck Steve.
ヤマノススメ1～10
2、6~10 are digital rips from 楽天.
https://mega.nz/#F!70NxFIyb!qtO84K1AVRJMmRoWsrPqXA
Uploading at this moment, should be done in a few minutes. I'll post the link in the feedback form for the CoR spreadsheet.
Anyone got some manga recommendations? Difficulty doesn't matter. Been readingYuru Yuribut I think I'm getting bored (maybe because I've seen the anime)
>>135266114
What about 大室家
Just as good as yryr but there's only like 2 volumes unfortunately
>>135266114
Claymore's pretty hype if you can get into it.
If you read that a while ago, Oyasumi PunPun.
>>135265614
Thanks Steve
>>135266114
Look up the post above yours. Have you read this series?
Hey all. I have a question.
I'm learning Chinese, and apple is this: 苹果 . I heard kanji and hanzi are almost the same, so I plugged this into the translator with jp->eng setting. The output was "Ringo", which I know is apple in Japanese.
Do you know why this may be? Do those two characters make sense in japanese too?
>>135266195
>>135266229
>>135266277
I'll check these all out thanks guys
>>135266419
Yes, yes, yes.
>>135266419
No one writes apple like 苹果 in Japanese anymore. It's still in dictionaries as a relic of the past. If you want to write 'ringo' in kanji it would be 林檎 but that's also a novelty way of writing it. The normal way would be just in hiragana or katakana.
>>135266490
I'm in the process of ripping volume 13 of ゆるゆり, as the scans floating around are shit, if you haven't read volume 13 yet. I'll pop the link up in a few minutes.
>>135266419
如果你真的要学好华文，你必须在路边拉屎至少一次，然后吗那些洋鬼子为什么要一直说中国人民又笨又穷又肮脏
>tfw still no new game vol 2 scans
>>135266735
Yeah I recognize some of those
>>135266742
This, yeah?
http://books.rakuten.co.jp/rb/13116356/
>>135266622
Ya but I'm still on vol 2 so I'll take me a while to get there
>>135266802
Hold up, you're on volume 2 and getting bored?
Don't really understand how something so cute, funny and generally warm can be boring but maybe it isn't for you. What was it about the anime you enjoyed if you enjoyed that?
>>135266742
>actually reading that shit
>>135266863
>actually liking what I don't like.
>>135266114
Chikyuu no Houkago is a fun read that I picked up from a recommendation by some jap who posted a thread of his favourite manga a few weeks ago. You'll be done with it in a few days or even just one afternoon.
Fun fact: It's been stuck in translation limbo for who knows how long despite the fact that it's so easy (vocabulary and grammar wise) and has good scans.
>>135266790
Yup, that's the one
>>135266863
>not reading the best mango since yotsuba
>Japanese Kanji AND Kana
>A COMPLETE GUIDE TO THE JAPANESE WRITING SYSTEM
>WOLFGANG HADAMITZKY & MARK SPAHN
how bad is this? AFAICT It is more helpful than RTK
>>135266892
>>135266923
It's just plain bad. Even japs don't like it.
>>135266858
Just need to find that magic again I guess. Gonna read some now.
>>135267070
That must be the reason it's getting an anime, right?
>>135266923
>Yup, that's the one
Give me a few minutes and I'll upload a rip of it.
On a previously related note, pic related is the same page from the rakuten rip and the scans floating around, from ゆるゆり volume 13. Holy fucking shit, that difference.
>>135267070
Do you eat shit? A billion flies can't be wrong.
>>135266742
Why would you torture yourself with that shit
>>135267179
Plenty of bad shit has got an anime adaptation. The publishers are just desperate to make it sell at least a few copies.
>>135267220
Even the flies don't want to eat this shit.
>>135267220
What the fuck is wrong with yui's arms
>>135267220
>they still haven't replaced the tea ceremony club sign with a 娯楽部 one for what purpose
>>135267304
They look fine to me.
>>135267364
ゆるゆり第13巻
https://mega.nz/#F!Gh0zgZiZ!VFKLaRuWxL8gyDFvKWSVeQ
NEW GAME！第2巻
https://mega.nz/#!y59DEB7R!q42AE8V2eCsolDog6vG2htfTP14VWOGhaaizNpRzU8s
>>135267631
Lateral angular perspective shift, yeah?
>>135267631
Well, her right arm is fine but her left arm is bent awkwardly, you're right. Her shoulders should be pivoted more counterclockwise for that motion to be anatomically correct.
>>135265899
Added to the CoR. Thanks anon.
<900 kanji left in RTK 1! I will complete them and surely be at JLPT N1 level instantly!
Where can I find my mature cards? I can't see it in the browser anywhere.
>>135267855
ganbare anon
>>135267883
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mature
>>135267883
check statistics bruh
>>135267923
So useful man. Didn't think of that one at all.
>>135267883
Try putting this into your browser search bar
prop:ivl>=21
It should show cards with intervals at/over 21 days, which I think is the default interval definition for mature cards in Anki.
>>135267983
>Can I manually mature some cards
>>135268032
Could be for testing purposes or if someone is starting a deck with facts they already have a mature understanding of, etc. There are a fair few reasons why someone would want to do something like that.
>>135268099
I like to jump to conclusions though.
>>135268032
ease modifier 100000% :^)
>>135268117
I thought you did
>>135268032
That's a very rapeable face right there.
>>135268117
Fair enough, I like to jump in puddles.
Are there scans for よつばと！ volume 13 around? I'll rip a digital version if it hasn't been upped yet.
>>135268216
>Fair enough, I like to jump in puddles.
Could you stop being so cute, please? I'm trying to study over here.
Just fuck my shit up senpai
>>135268307
Like, find all the conjugations for the character 生 and you're nearly done
>>135268307
kek
>>135268290
Does 4chanX have Anki integration now?
>>135265614
Thanks Steve
>>135268307
laughing out loud desu
>>135267798
Thank you for the mangos
>>135268216
>Are there scans for よつばと！ volume 13 around?
Nothing on Nyaa atleast, no clue where else to look for them
>>135267798
Wow thanks anon
>>135268307
Make sure to share it on facebook
>>135268508
Had a look at Rakuten just now, they don't have a digital copy yet.
does this scanlation contain an accurate representation of this character's tone of voice?
specifically "faggot ass" and "my fuckin' bones"
>>135268606
Faggot-ass is such a great phrase.
Does a pretty decent job of expressing the sentiments in that frame.
>>135268606
Yeah. This is actually a really good translation, no sarcasm. Obviously the original Japanese doesn't have anything to do with "faggot" as in homosexuality but it gets the tone right which is more importany here.
>>135268606
The tone and general meaning is conveyed sufficiently. 'Faggot' might turn some people off but this isn't a official scanlation so the translator felt free to run wild I guess. I've seen the BH translation of this scene and it totally loses the impact.
>>135268413
Yup, it translates all the memes to Japanese on the fly. desu -> 本当だぜ, senpai -> 家族, for you -> お前がだ
>>135268606
This has always been my favorite berserk moment.
The translator captured his rage well, even if it was using the word faggot.
>>135268606
he looks less angry in the right one somehow
>>135268724
>>135268731
>>135268784
I dunno about you guys but turning the tone conveyed by てめえ into faggot-ass is going pretty overboard to the point of perhaps being unfaithful to the original. It doesn't read similar to the Japanese at all.
>>135268290
good use of smuh
>>135267798
How do you want new vols that aren't in the same mega folder added to the CoR? Is a 第1-12巻 link and a 第13巻 link fine?
Also, we don't seem to have New Game in the CoR, so if you could upload the 1st volume in the same folder and format the information that would go into the CoR similarly to how >>135265899 did in the feedback form, I'll add that to the CoR as well.
Why are babies red?
>圧力
>快楽
LITERALLY NO DIFFERENCE
>>135268876
Well, that's translation for ya. "You monsters I don't like" or something wouldn't read well at all, obviously. In English you use swear words to convey raw rage in that sense so there's not much else you can do. However, I see that some wouldn't like the use of "faggot-ass" because of the implications it has in English though, even though I personally think it's great.
I wish I had someone who would hold my hand ;_;
>>135268876
It's not about translating the words, it's translating the meaning and tone. As we all know Japanese doesn't have real swear words like other langauges so it's part of the translator's job to guess whether the character would say such words and whether the character is angry enough to use them. In the end it boils down to how unacceptable or foul words are to you as an individual. And as someone who has been on the internet since he was a kid I think it's perfectly fine.
>>135269051
Get a 抱き枕
>>135268891
thanx
>>135269135
Fucking goddammit I don't even know this anime but all I think of when I see this girl is 'ayy lmao'
>>135268876
>It doesn't read similar to the Japanese at all.
The tone seems to match pretty well, which is kind of entirely what that frame is about, isn't it, expressing a certain emotion?
>>135268908
>How do you want new vols that aren't in the same mega folder added to the CoR? Is a 第1-12巻 link and a 第13巻 link fine?
Hmm, that is a bit of a split, isn't it. Give me a couple of minutes and I'll upload 1~12 into the same linked folder, if you want to use a single link.
>Also, we don't seem to have New Game in the CoR, so if you could upload the 1st volume in the same folder and format
I'll have a look to see if there is a rip floating around for the first volume and I'll up that into the same linked folder. As to the information, I'll add them to that linked spreadsheet like the previous one. Wasn't aware they weren't in the CoR- though I didn't check.
>>135269031
>>135269095
I mean, you can tell he's mad, but it's a more of a seething rage, not full blown cursing. I didn't say they translated てめえ poorly, I said they translated the tone poorly, that the Japanese reads differently from the right. I don't give a single fuck that they added cursing in three lines that didn't have any equivalent in Japanese. I understand liberal translation. And it is my opinion that this liberal translation went overboard to the point of not reflecting the tone original text very well. I kind of get the feeling that people are looking at the Japanese with a biased perspective due to the corruptive influence of the translation on the right.
>>135269209
>The tone seems to match pretty well
I mean, did you read the Japanese?
I'm gonna duck outta this conversation though, since it's a debate of opinion and it seems I'm in the minority. No bully pls
>>135269281
Faggot ass anon
>>135268307
Funny, that's about 3000 more than I expected.
>>135269191
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=mori+wakako+mkv
Do yourself and watch it, they're hella short episodes and it's a great show. Disable subtitles if your nip is good enough and want to learn some food words, or press "s" to switch to the "ayy lmao" sub track.
>>135269281
>I kind of get the feeling that people are looking at the Japanese with a biased perspective due to the corruptive influence of the translation on the right.
Fair enough; I haven't read Berserk in the original Japanese so I was mostly going off that single frame.
>>135269281
>I mean, did you read the Japanese?
Yeah, although I'm thinking that the reaction between the two of us is likely a cultural one. I'm not American and phrases like "faggot-ass" almost assuredly are appreciated in a different manner by people around here. It's a different English language culture and as another anon touched, I also am not familiar with the source material at all.
>>135268606
>人間様
Somehow It's never occured to me that you could do this to denigrate other species.
>>135269408
>Do yourself
Oops. Do yourself a favor*.Or do yourself. That's fine too.
>>135269408
Fuck you, you know I have to download it if you spoonfeed it right to me.
Thanks, downloading the whole thing now.
Anybody got plans for the new year?
Travelling to Japan or trying to get into the JET scheme? A lot of the people here in the U.K who I've met studying Japanese really want to find a life in Japan.
>>135269408
>http://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=mori+wakako+mkv
>0_0
>>135269543
I think people are deluding themselves when they magically discover Japan and its appeal. Japan is and always will be for Japanese people. Living there as a foreigner will always come with a label of you being different.
>>135269543
I don't know. I had plans the last two years:
Year 1 - Don't give up, read 1 full VN - check
Year 2 - Read 12 vns - check
Year 3 - ?
but have no what to do this year.
>>135269614
I guess that just makes it more of an attraction for people; even if the quality of life is different for non-ethnic japanese.
>>135269634
>Year 3: meet Japanese gf
>year 4: meet Japanese gf
>year 5: meet Japanese bf
>year 6: fall in love
>year 7: suicide
>>135269543
I'll open the MOGRA stream at 4pm sharp on the 31st, party hard until 4am, sleep 5-6 hours then tune in to r/a/dio and usher in the new year with the murricans while writing mushy and overly sentimental drunkposts.
>>135269681
I'd like something possible to achieve, pelase
>>135269543
>Anybody got plans for the new year?
Taking steps that will hopefully result in the next year without lapses into major depressive episodes. So basically maintaining the current routine and exercise routinely. The Japanese related stuff is a bit part of that structure and mental upkeep but everything is at this point on autopilot.
Used to struggle studying but now it is easier to do than anything else. Anki is the best thing for making sure to maintain daily study, even if you don't want to.
>>135269634
Read 144 vns, get another 12 people on board with learning Japanese
>>135269709
>Year 4: read 1728 vns
>>135269744
All of them have to be marked 50+ hours on vndb and you have to do every route, too.
>>135269634
>year 1: don't give up
>year 2: don't give up
>year 3: don't give up
...
>year N: don't give up
>>135269614
I wonder if Japanese are as afraid of foreigners as I am afraid ofsandniggers
>>135269706
Keep it up dude. You're on the right track.
>>135269614
>Living there as a foreigner will always come with a label of you being different.
How is that in any way any different for, say, introverted natives or the small portion of a population who can see through the bullshit of the rat race, feel alienated from mainstream media and normalfaggotry driven society, but are not rich enough to not really still be apart of it?
I'd say there is a large amount of people around the world who will never really feel as though belonging, nor really want to belong.
>>135269804
Do you live in europe? Otherwise you have no real reason to be afraid.
Has anyone tried Michel Thomas' method here before? I did Pimsleur before I started taking classes, then I stopped having time for classes, continued by myself with Anki, and then I got back to classes.
Not having time again, I am faced with a problem, as I wish to continue practising Japanese. I can't even study while I commute, as I never even have a seat on the train.
As such, I have come to the conclusion that my next step are audio classes.
Other suggestions are appreciated.
>>135269842
Yes and Sweden of all places.
>>135269709
I've introduced anki, reading, steve, etc, all the important resources and how to use them to around 3 people, maybe 4, and every single person has given up within a week. One guy even took a year of Japanese in high school but couldn't maintain anki for any substantial time. So, man, fuck that. There's a limit to controlling and influencing other people's lives, it seems.
>>135269799
I actually can't give up anymore. I've already won. I read manga, watch anime, and play games all in Japanese now. Just for fun. I can't lose. Giving up doesn't mean anything anymore. I already know Japanese. However LOGH still has too high a vocabulary and I still stumble on understanding sometimes so I still like to set learning goals or what have you.
>>135269915
Oh wow.
Sorry to hear that.
>>135269915
Well.
Yeah.
There's that.
>>135269915
ご冥福をお祈りします
>>135269859
No idea who Michel Thomas is. Audio only is insufficient. There's no way you don't have 15 minutes a day for anki at least. That alone won't teach you Japanese but eh.
>>135269859
Do you need to sit down to use your phone?
Almost any smartphone that came out in the past five years can display PDFs. If you have a phone running android or iOS you can download Anki, or use Ankiweb.
Or just port it if you're using the N9.
>>135269915
Born too late to discover the world. Born too early to discover the universe. Born just in time to fight in the Muslim Cleansing of Europe.
which board do I have to browse to stop seeing off-topic /pol/posting
>>135270033
>>135269951
>>135269963
One day our politicians will fix this immigration issue! Ahahh who am I kidding. At least it gives me more reason to work towards one day moving to Japan
>>135269915
Emigrate or fight the race war.
>>135270070
Tumblr and Reddit.I don't like /pol/ either, but it's 4chan y'know? You have to accept it as part of the package.
>>135270130
Reddit actually is pretty filled with the same sentiment believe it or not. That's what happens when the bulk of your userbase is male teenagers.
>>135270130
>>135270167
/pol/ should be shut down. It's failing in its only purpose as a containment board. It's existence directly increases the quantity of offtopic posts on other boards.
Hell, at any given moment over half of /v/ has more to do with /pol/ than with video games.
>>135269915
And now, white man, you will learn to obey
>>135270070
Filter all words you consider '/pol/'; You might still see '/pol/' images and '/pol/' videos outside 4chan though.
The next step is to disconnect yourself from the Internet. Just throw out your ethernet cable or smash your router. Surely those pesky neckbearded keyboard warriors can't get you now.
Then you pick up a newspaper and realise that '/pol/' exists in real life, they're protected by free speech and you can't filter them or pretend they're not there.
There's nothing more you can do. As you're unable to accept the reality that people with different opinions from you exist around you, there is no choice but to tie a nice, tight hangman's knot and kill yourself you fucking faggot.
>>135270103
If you like the heat, maybe look into Somalia. All the Somalians seem to be scattering to Europe and the UK. Who is going to live in Somalia then, the Ethiopians? Their Christian values might be more inline with some European nations than Islamic nations are. Now that could turn out to be a pretty funny twist occuring within the next few hundred years: Europe and the UK becoming an Islamic centre and Africa becoming a Christian centre.
>>135270248
Nothing in the thread is really /pol/tard content, though. For one there hasn't been a spree of infographic dumps, the word "degenerate" being used as punctuation, and the like. Off topic, yeah, /pol/ off topic, not that far my fellow goy.
>>135270167
True, but unlike here, it's not outright anti-Islam, it's more of just a sentiment. There you have to say "I oppose Muslim immigration," here you can say "fuck all sandniggers."
>>135270248
Okay, but like you said earlier, it's off-topic stuff, so let's knock it off and get back to japs rather than sandies. Anyone who used to like browsing /v/ (like myself) is well aware that it's been nigh-unbrowsable for nearly three years and its quality decline was only accelerated byGamergateand /pol/ stuff. And that's a shame. But DJT is not really the place to be talking about it.
/neutral sage
>>135270248
It's not gonna happen, and anyway /a/ is pretty good at shutting down random instances of /pol/ shitposting.
More importantly, they have no real power and are constantly wrong, which is hilarious whenever you can call them out and watch them backpedal. Just get some thicker skin and ignore it when you can.
And even more importantly, J A P A N E S E.
>>135270388
>Nothing in the thread is really /pol/tard content, though.
/pol/ is short for politics
guess what this is
>>135270375
>There's nothing more you can do. As you're unable to accept the reality that people with different opinions from you exist around you,
That has nothing to do with anything.
I just don't want /pol/ to show up on threads that have nothing to do with /pol/ on boards that aren't /pol/.
I don't care what opinions are expressed in a newspaper, but I don't want the politics section to be mixed into the sports section.
Nigger.
>>135270425
Pretty sure it's short for politically incorrect dude
You moroooons!
Japanese. Language. Learning.
>>135270425
/pol/ is short for politically incorrect, and you known damn well what it insinuates.
>>135270468
How do I say 'triggered' in japanese?
>>135270534
気持ち悪い probably does the trick
>>135270481
>>135270507
The board is for politics. Discussion of politics goes there. Not in a thread about learning Japanese on an anime board. I know what it insinuates, but as >>135270467 states, its not the politically incorrect stuff we want out, it's the politics in non-political threads we want out.
Daily Jew Thread
>>135269051
私の手はとても汗だく。
If we're already being off-topic (and the thread is having a surge of activity), I'd like use the chance to invite everyone here to check out the new guide which is currently being worked on. Please feel free to leave feedback, it is highly appreciated.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H8lw5gnep7B_uZAbHLfZPWxJlzpykP5H901y6xEYVsk/edit?usp=sharing
Happy holidays and happy learning.
>>135270569
I don't mind it if it's not too autistic and if the thread is inactive.
I remember when some guy posted a really obvious bait comment about mericunts getting shot by cops and more than 50 butthurt replies being deleted though. That was a blast.
>>135270668
What's wrong with the current guide?
>>135270668
Add "Watch anime" in big bold letters at the start of the guide
>>135270719
>What's wrong with the current guide?
Lotta bloat, not enough focus on the importance of reading. IIRC.
>>135270668
>For further information on Hiragana, see the following resources:
>hjkdsfhjksdf
>dsfghjkdsfgghjk
Hmm I see
>>135270719
>What's wrong with the current guide?
It's too obvious that it was written by a sperg.
>>135270668
Thanks man.
>>135270719
It's fine but could be better, explaining more about methods such as RTK, why you may or may not want to use them, what options you have starting out, where to go and what to do after finishing grammar guides and Core, more resources for easing reading, better explanations of Anki than that minimal pastebin page, etc.
>>135270806
>It's too obvious that it was written by a sperg.
You are aware that the previous guide was crowd sourced and open to editing just like the current one is. Before the ~guide maintainer~ hijacked and locked it like a year ago it was completely open.
Does anyone actually read through all the long explanations on how japanese is different from english and all that shit? If not I think it's a good idea to have a 'summary' version of the guide simply giving sources for kana, writing, vocab, listening compre, production and a short justification for why we advocate that method of learning.
Even the new guide, incomplete as it is, feels way too wordy for me. Newcomers probably wouldn't want to read all of that stuff and would just post here asking for the best method for learning x.
>>135270952
>feels way too wordy for me.
At the current moment it is LITERALLY 1.5 pages and practically all of it is useful information. It's all stuff they will need to read and learn eventually anyway, whether it be here or through Tae Kim or Imabi or wherever they end up.
>>135270006
My main aim is to utilize my time while I work a little better. I usually watch TV shows while I work. I get to do two things at the same time.
>>135270015
I recently downloaded Tae Kim's grammar guide for my phone. I used to use Anki for my tablet when I was living further away than I am now; I could sit, study and write, which for me is really important.
>>135270534
Start shrieking ジェンダーフリー、ジェンダーフリー！
>>135270486
Moralfagging only makes it worse.
>>135270569
Yeah, and humans don't work like that.
>>135270668
What if you have a second, shorthand version of the guide: posting a link to Japanese langauge, on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language
Then Japanese writing system
Kana: link to real kana and those kana decks
Kanji: link to Kanji Damage/RtK, and related anki decks
Japanese grammar
Link to Tae Kim's Guide, Visualizing Japanese Grammar site, Japanese the Manga Way, Imabi, etc. and the related anki deck.
Trying to rewrite what is more or less already covered in the wikipedia page is like trying to reinvent the wheel a little, isn't it? The guides for grammar and kanji and kana, they already go into detail for the things they focus on. Keeping it ultra minimal to encourage people use the links and start studying asap, maybe? The top image of できない・やらないか and the bottom image illustrating how real Japanese looks in practice, are nice touches to wrap it together with a DJT touch. Seems wasteful to try and summarize an introduction to the Japanese language when the anon is going to get exactly that but a lot better with the study resources recommended, so it appears a little bloated or distracting.
Take it with a grain of salt, though.
>>135271078
Then watch Japanese TV shows, duh.
I think >>135270486 is pretty cute, just saying.
>>135271100
>Yeah, and humans don't work like that.
Luckily we have rules to counter-act the human nature to shitpost. For example, global rule 3: do not make offtopic posts. Follow the damn rules, shithead.
>>135271233
Calm down, dude. Do you think calling him a shithead will make him level out? No, you'll just inflame things.
>>135271291
>No, you'll just inflame things.
Human nature.
>Do you think calling him a shithead will make him level out?
I don't think any force in this world short of active moderation will keep off-topic politics discussion out of innocent anime threads. I certainly don't expect someone who calls off-topic racist shitposting "human nature" to follow board rules.
>>135271233
Stop being so fucking autistic. Converation naturally meanders, trying to jump in the middle, stamping and screaming for people to change what they are talking about is never going to work. Ignore it for a few minutes and it will die out, like it already has.
>>135271436
Rubber glue back to you.
The conversation naturally meandered to me mentioning the rules and having this very discussion. Trying to jump in the middle, stamping and screaming for people to change what they are talking about is never going to work. Ignore it for a few minutes and it will die out.
>>135271100
The part about bloat is totally true. I might whip up an image guide tomorrow that's more concise.
>>135271436
You should just ignore him, he's clearly autistic
Is there anywhere I can download rikai-sama from that isn't sourceforge? It simply will not work for me and they use malware anyhow
>>135270719
>What's wrong with the current guide?
The resources and the guide should be split, and the guide as is sounds more like a history lesson (to borrow the words of another anon) in some parts. It should be more concise and give people an idea of what they'll be facing. There are enough resources which do a better job at going in-depth (needless to say, these resources will be linked where appropriate).
It also doesn't make enough mention of listening and production, and it makes RTK look like the only viable option for learning Kanji.
>>135270767
I'll take your suggestion into consideration.
>>135270770
>Hmm I see
Looking good, eh?
>>135270912
I took over maintenance for the guide since the guy who originally created it had not been seen in ages (he contacted me two or three months ago, though I haven't heard from him a second time since). I actually left the guide open to editing for quite some time before I decided to lock it and just have comments. I decided to lock it to editing since the edits which were ever made were small typos which probably arose from people having a part of the text selected while reading and accidentally hitting a button, and then correcting that typo again. People can still comment. I get an email whenever someone comments (has not happened once in the past four months) and I'm always glad to get feedback or suggestions, or perhaps even someone who's interested in discussing an idea.
Aside from which, you are free to make a copy of the guide and have it in the OP. I'm not going to stop you as I have no reason to. I'm not here to impose myself, I'm in this position because it's good to have someone who's active and available if you want to keep something up to date.
Also, the previous guide was not "crowd-sourced", I like the idea of a whole community cooperating to create something, but 90% of that work was done by a single person. The same guy who I mentioned earlier, I wonder what he's up to.
>>135271622
>Sourceforge
>Malware
How do people like you even turn on their computers?
>>135271692
Actually sourceforge did start planting malware in OSS downloads a few months ago.
>>135271676
I looked long and hard at the new guide thinking of what to add. And I realized, the old guide has a really logical structure, good format, etc etc. I think rather than making a new guide, simply rewriting the opening section of the old guide - or else copying over the format - is a wise move. Like, everything from "Learning Resources" and below is pretty much perfect, no need to be changed except maybe ordering it differently to focus on different things.
>>135271485
This is literally all you need. Anything else is unnecessary bloat.
>>135271924
You forgot to mention RTK :o(
梦
what the fuck is this?
>>135272036
Chinese version of 夢 I guess?
>>135272036
The simplified character for dream
>>135272070
>>135272078
Makes sense, I saw it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s34pWZTnE4c and upon closer inspection the uploader is Chinese so he must have chosen the wrong kanji when typing it up.
Simplified kanji A FUCKING SHIT
>>135272117
Simplified Japanese when?
>>135272146
It exists, look up "Korean".
>>135272191
Are you kidding?
Korean is even more impossiburu than Japanese
>>135272191
Korean is completely different though.
>>135272270
I've been told it's easy from Americans living in Korea.
>>135271100
I don't really see how you see that working out.
The point of the guide is to give newcomers a starting point, and to reduce the amount of questions asked by them which could easily be answered in the guide.
When I started out with learning, I had no idea how to approach learning a language. I didn't know where to look for learning resources, I didn't know how to practice, I didn't know a good resource from a bad one (e. g. One that uses romaji over Kana). I only knew that I wanted to watch anime.
I don't know how other newcomers are, so I can only take my personal experience as a basis, but I probably wouldn't even have bothered reading through that wikipedia page (I actually did read parts of it on another occasion and I ended up even more confused than I was to begin with).
Simply throwing a wikipedia page and a bunch of resources at people will only increase the number of questions they have. Those that don't say "Fuck this, I'm going to try something else" will come to the thread to ask their questions. And they will have a lot of them.
The guide will actually link to recommended study resources right in the parts discussing the language itself. This part will be rather short and should just give people a quick idea of the language which they can then build up on with the linked resources (this too is something which gave me some trouble in the start. I read what the Kana is in the guide, but I still had no idea about it beyond what the guide told me).
The main focus of the guide will be the discussion of learning methods though, these also being what leads to the greatest amount of questions. Hopefully this will give people more perspectives on how to approach Kanji, as well as other parts of the language.
>>135271861
I'm quite content with the structure and formatting of the current guide. I'm mainly looking to give people a short, concise idea of what they'll be dealing with and then discussing learning methods in a more balanced manner.
>>135272276
You're right.
>>135272359
>I'm quite content with the structure and formatting of the current guide.
Forgive me, but isn't the current guide unfinished and non-existent after the opening kana:kanji section which already mimics the old guide anyway?
>>135272413
>the current guide
The current guide is this here.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ynwmcFwy0ccT70cVRp-G97fYlcf-GYZ86T62SvQMDdY/edit?usp=sharing
The guide I'm currently working on is still by far incomplete and will probably still see a lot of change before it'll be considered complete.
>which already mimics the old guide anyway
My goal isn't to create a completely different guide, my goal is create a more concise version of the old guide, along with a more balanced and extensive presentation of learning methods. So yes, you will probably find that the old guide is being mimicked in various aspects since there's nothing wrong with those.
A big problem I'm noticing with reading real books like LOGH is that I keep losing my fucking place. I know it's somewhere in chapter 1 but who knows where I left off? I'm going to have to leave a notepad with the last line I read but even that's a pain considering how I read on my phone and different computers. Not to mention that it's easy to lose place simply by turning away for a couple seconds. VNs are so much more complete.
>>135272581
>I'm going to have to leave a notepad with the last line I read
Here's what you do, dumbo.
Every time you close your file, add [[[BOOKMARK]]] where you where. Next time you open the file, go to the end and search for the previous instance of [[[BOOKMARK]]]
>>135272359
How about a peripheral focus for the guide: Helping those who are willing to make a start but have issues with maintaining their studies.
That, you may burn out after a month, a week, a day; That being able to read fluently comes with time; That [...] and so on
>>135272677
I'm viewing the html right now, not editing it. Editing is also a pain akin to saving lines in notepad.
What you'll get told if you try to speak japanese on 2chan
お里が知れる
>>135272581
How about only stopping when you've finished a chapter?
So I got my kindle up and running. I downloaded the books from COR, but when when I tried opening them it gave me an error message and said to re-download my books from my cloud. It did this a few times before shutting down on it's own. When I booted it back up I was able to open the same files that gave me trouble without issues. Is this normal?
>>135272779
The whole book is only 10 chapters.
Word of the day: 娶る
こういうわかりやすい漢字もいいなぁ
>>135271981
RTK doesn't deserve a mention, in all honesty.
>>135272692
I'll certainly add something like that to the end of the guide, but I don't think that making motivational issues the focus of the guide is a good idea.
>>135272841
気持ち悪い女性差別だ
>>135272923
No doubt.
A small section for commonly addressed issues: I can't keep up with the kanji retention rate, is it alright if I leave anki alone for x amount of time, when should I start reading, and maybe even: can I start where I left off?
>>135272846
You can just go look at the archives if you want an arguement since I'm not getting into this, but the method that worked best for you isn't necessarily the best method for everyone. It worked really well for me and I got what I wanted out of it. It shouldn't be recommended as the main method though. I think people should at least try pure vocab / a radical deck or something before considering a form of individual kanji study, but I think RTK is a valid form of that with the right deck and approach.
>>135272846
It does. It's a method that works at what it's trying to do (hint: RTK does not try to teach you japanese), even if you personally don't like it.
>>135273168
>>135273171
WaniKani works great for a lot of people too.
>>135273074
>A small section for commonly addressed issues: I can't keep up with the kanji retention rate, is it alright if I leave anki alone for x amount of time, when should I start reading, and maybe even: can I start where I left off?
I'll most certainly make sure to cover this. Probably in the FAQ or perhaps another special dedicated section.
>>135273233
And it's a valid method too. People mostly hate it because it's designed to slow you down (because that keeps you signed up longer)
>>135273233
Honestly, it probably isn't that bad in the form of an Anki deck. The main issues arise from its SRS not being as good as Anki / you can't export your progress, the fact that it's not free, and the fact that it limits your pace. Basically, it'd be fine in the form of an illegally ripped Anki deck, so hopefully that one anon who's almost done with it can deliver.
>>135272359
>The point of the guide is to give newcomers a starting point
Which is why you point them in the right direction and let the people who already wrote the introductions to the language and the respective aspects a lot better. The guide as current, at least the instructive aspects read as nothing short of an editorial.
>I don't know how other newcomers are, so I can only take my personal experience as a basis, but I probably wouldn't even have bothered reading through that wikipedia page (I actually did read parts of it on another occasion and I ended up even more confused than I was to begin with).
That sad.
>Simply throwing a wikipedia page and a bunch of resources at people will only increase the number of questions they have.
Good. That's the point of learning something: giving people the tools to ask questions.
I think of the Guide as a cooking recipe. You don't need to explain how the yeast evolved, but the fact that they know it's yeast and is needed for X to happen, it gives them something to look up if they want. Ultimately though the point is to provide a structure for going from ingredients to cake. Cake isn't for everyone, though.
>>135272787
That happened and a host of other screwy things on the Kindle App, for Android. Yet to happen with my Kindle Paperwhite, though. All that needed to be done was sideload the azw3 files, open one up and download the J-E and J-J -or maybe it was two different J-E dictionaries- dictionary files and since then it has been on aeroplane mode. No issues, thankfully.
>>135273233
Wanikani is just an adaptation of the RTK method like Kanji Damage. Except it is designed to Jew you.
Is there anything worse than the feeling of continuously failing your reps because you're burnt out
That feeling of your brain just melting away, absolutely zero motivation to carry on, just mindlessly starting at that good button wanting it all to be over, knowing your stats for today are going to look like shit because you're failing so much, but not being able to do anything about it because your brain has arbitrarily decided it doesn't want anything to do with reps today
I hate it so much
>>135273413
I stopped looking at stats because it doesn't really change anything if I do, and it just gives me performance anxiety for something that ultimately doesn't matter (for someone like me who expansively reads).
>>135273413
>Is there anything worse than the feeling of continuously failing your reps because you're burnt out
Being kidnapped and kept in a safehouse, caged up, slowly being butchered and eaten by a cannibal who is also into torture?
>>135273477
Yeah I need to learn to stop, it's fine on most days when I just whizz though my decks and feel great afterwards, but on days like today where I can't help but fail it just adds to the rage
>>135272270
How is it more difficult than Japanese? You can tell how a character is read simply from the way it is written.
>>135273507
Sounds pretty hot
>>135272270
The main reason why Japanese is so hard is because of kanji, and Korean has an ezpz writing system
>>135273649
>The main reason why Japanese is so hard is because of kanji
Why?
>>135270668
I think it'd be nice if the guide had a section on what to do when you get into a review hole on Anki. That and a note saying you should increase the reviews limit when you start.
>>135273703
Because readings
Millions of them
>>135272581
Run it through jnovelformatter to add html bookmarks.
>一万二〇〇〇
Fucking numbers
10,000 2,000s? Just say 20 million, sheesh
>>135272746
Translation: ESL detected
>>135273864
Yeah, not really.
>>135268908
Added スケッチブック to that spreadsheet and mega account. It's already in the CoR but not up to date. This link has the missing volumes 9 and 10 and I'm in the process of putting volume 11 in there with the rest.
What exactly is a 交番？
>>135274312
Haven't you ever played persona 3?
>>135274296
>Yeah, not really.
What's harder about Japanese than the retarded kanji system then?
>>135274312
番 Has a few other words related to police work.
非番
当番
留守番
I just remember them all together to make it easier.
>>135274355
It isn't retarded.
>>135274355
>tfw I have a much harder time remembering kana-only words and onomatopoeia than I do words with kanji
I love kanji. Learning other languages sounds like a pain in the ass.
>>135273343
An Anki deck for the first fifty levels already exists, with everything included. The anon who made it did it by writing some code to skim everything from the website (or something like that), the tool that is available for converting your wanikani cards to an anki deck only converts some of the info AFAIK.
>>135274296
>Happy Go Lily
We currently have this in the CoR under "Yuru Yuri" as the "English" title. Do people use that title (Happy Go Lily) or would you like it to stay as "Yuru Yuri" / do something like "Yuru Yuri / Happy Go Lily"? Thanks for doing this, though. Adding it to the CoR.
>>135274530
>common word is written in hiragana
>no fucking clue what it could mean
My relationship with kanji did a 180 once I started reading.
「敵軍の合計は四万隻か。わが軍の二倍だな」
「それがわが軍を三方から包囲しようとしております」
「老将《おいぼれ》どもが青くなっているだろう……いや、赤くかな」
Man, Reinhardt is sassy.
Once you get through the incredibly vocabulary dense opening, LOGH becomes a pretty standard read all things considered. The grammar is no more challenging than what I see in VNs such as Gunjou no Sora / Ikusa Megami. The vocabulary is certainly high, but much less so in the actual novel in comparison to the prologue. Overall, not too bad. I think the "are you a bad enough dude to read page 1 of LOGH" posts have really painted a darker picture than what reflects the actual difficulty of the novel. Well, the bulk of the novel anyway. The prologue is certainly quite difficult.
So now I'm faced with a pretty unnerving fact. There are no works in the entire Japanese language which contain enough vocabulary density for me to consider them uncomfortably difficult. There's just works like LOGH which have just enough unknown vocabulary that I can't read them without dictionary assistance. Intermediate hell, I presume. I hope I enjoy my stay. Here's to another year of studying.
>>135274530
I do as well, onomatopoeia words and adverbs make me want to kill myself
But kanji is still retarded, not because you don't know what they mean but just because you don't know how they're read
Even just focusing on jukugo, most kanji have at least two onyomi, and most of those readings can be arbitrarily shortened or have their consonants changed depending on the other kanji in the word, not to mention sometimes it's the kunyomi that's used
And half the time there's no way to know any of that unless you've heard the word before, and even if you have heard the word before, it's ridiculously easy to get that jukugo mixed up with other jukugo that have the same kanji in but with a different reading
>>135274655
Whatever you feel is best, man. That name was taken from the first English name from the baka manga updates website. If you think Yuru Yuri is more appropriate, go for that.
>>135265614
Neat -- was that intentional or just some crazy coincidence?
..and what does it mean, I"m a bakaduupuuduu.
>As for the completely small student, they are the best?
>>135265614
Thank Mr LingKew
>>135274988
>Elementary school students are the best
>>135274988
>Neat -- was that intentional or just some crazy coincidence?
I wonder, anon.
>Elementary schoolers are seriously saikou (tl note saikou means the best)
i.e. lolicon
>>135274789
Alright, I added them. Thanks again for uploading these and formatting it in a way that makes it nice and easy to add.
>>135274988
It was intentional.
>and what does it mean
It is an expression of a deep-seated, ancient love that all males carry within them: primary school/elementary school [girls] are just the best.
>>135275057
>>135275074
ありがとうお兄ちゃん
「たしかに青くなっています。五人の提督が閣下に緊急にお会いしたいと申し込んで来られました」
「ほう、おれの顔も見たくないと放言していたのにな」
「お会いになりませんか？」
「いや、会ってやるさ……奴らの蒙を啓くためにもな」
>>135275120
Going to be honest with you, "completely small student" sounds kind of arousing and nostalgic in a Limewire kind of way.
>>135275184
Except looking that up was no where near as creepy when you were of limewire age as it would be now
>>135275288
Most people would probably find it creepy for a twenty year old male to be looking that up.
>>135275367
If you were twenty when limewire was a new thing you're an old dude
>Plan on finishing volume of LN and watching some raw anime tonight
>End up randomly being completely burnt out and now can't do shit
Man I hate my brain, ruined my plans
>>135275493
>that spurt of motivation that always hits you at the end of the night when you're too tired to make use of it
it ain't fair
>>135275171
Came across these guys in a serialized manga a little while back, like some sort of meme magic.
>>135275437
Early 30's. Limewire was functional for a fair while, from memory. Vaguely remember starting to use it when I was around 16 or 17.
>>135275640
Uncomfortable truth: You feel spurts of motivation at night because you don't have to follow up on it. It's easy to be motivated to do work when you're lying in bed, it's hard to be motivated to do work when it's right in front of you.
>>135275759
So do work in bed, dummy
>>135275759
Yeah there's that and then I also geniuenely enjoy nights more because the mood is just better.
>>135275859
"in bed" as in literally going to sleep. And therefore, obviously, not having time to study. Because you're going to sleep.
>>135269453
>Yeah, although I'm thinking that the reaction between the two of us is likely a cultural one. I'm not American and phrases like "faggot-ass" almost assuredly are appreciated in a different manner by people around here.
Great point. Reminds me how my friend's australian wife is always calling people "cunts". Apparently it's common as fuck down under, but around here (southern US) it's an incredibly offensive word
>>135275759
I think I'm personally just trying to avoid going to bed, just like how I avoid anki during the rest of the day.
>>135275987
That's not good, memory is really important for gains
