Can tsundere violence against a perverted protagonist be justified?
>>135253589
>Ataru in Lum
yes
>Rito in TLR
No.
>>135253589
Yes, but in most cases the level of violence doesn't match the weight of the crime. Luckily that isn't a problem with Shizuka and Rance
The "violence" is slapstick and thus isn't really harmful.
>>135253735
>The "violence" is slapstick and thus isn't really harmful.
You say that, but this bitch ruptured my soul and sent me into a spiral of unrelenting rage
>>135253589
Only if they kill the protagonist and then let their best friend's kingdom fall to ruin so they can raise their cuck baby with their lover.
>>135253735
Problem is that the slapstick is generally poorly done/overused which means it isn't funny and only painful to watch
>>135253992
Stupid Kanami, you'll never escape Rance
>>135253856
What did she do exactly?
>>135254514
She's in love (see:obsessed) with a fujoshit who constantly draws the MC in homo situations but refuses to believe her precious kohai could do such a thing and constantly beats up the MC for "corrupting her".
>>135254653
She doesn't sound tsundere
>>135254691
Oh I was just commenting on basic violence against protags, guess I went off topic.
>>135253856
You're one of those faggots that self insert into the protagonist and then shit on girls that are not all over the MC's dick and that have a personality. I know exactly what type of faggot you are. Kill yourself.
And Ume is not a tsundere, dumb faggot.
>>135253856
Ume might certainly be a bitch but she's no tsundere
>>135253735
>>135254045
I want a series where the "slapstick" ends up seriously injuring the MC like putting him in a wheel chair for the rest of his life.
>>135255150
>You're one of those faggots that self insert into the protagonist and then shit on girls that are not all over the MC's dick and that have a personality.
Yeahnah, she's a violent cunt who can't see reality and lashes out anything that contradicts her precious dreamlike existence, her dislike of the MC is completely unwarranted as is the violence she metes out against him, your waifu a SHIT and deserves to be hit head on by the Shinkansen at top speed right in her cooch.
In the next life get better taste, nigger.
>>135255345
Fair enough, but there's no reason to get angry at 2D chinese cartoon violence, you autistic cretin.
Rance deserves it anyway
Was probably worth it though
>>135255769
He did and she was
Who gives a shit about Shizuka. Give me more Lia.
>>135253589
I still curse the name of the former Rance goddess, Maria.
Alicesoft's Daiz.
>>135255824
>>135255824
Episode 4
>>135255864
Who's Daiz?
>>135253589
Well, Rance can actually take what Shizuka dishes.
Now if it's some weak dude who accidentally pervs out through pure physics just getting beat the shit outta him, that's just mean.
>>135255150
He's probably confusing the fact that Ume does indeed fall in love with Satou, but you'll only learn about that in the novels.
>>135253589
Sure it can, provided the protagonist deserves it or is such a faggot that seeing him get the shit beat out of him is actually satisfying.
>>135253589
Depends on the reason
>He tripped and fell on me!
No.
>He forgot to knock!
No.
>I carelessly exposed myself in public and he saw!
No.
>He got punched by somebody and landed in the women's section of the hotsprings!
No.
>He deliberately grabbed my breasts with permission!
Yes.
>>135253735
One of the key points of good slapstick is that the victim deserves it on some level. For example, he might be a massive asshole of some sort, or he might be behaving in an obnoxiously stupid manner (for example, derailing a conversation with his complete inability to sense the mood). Furthermore, in good slapstick, the level of violence matches the crime. A light smack on the back of the head isn't the same as something that leaves a bruise (i.e. a very impactful-looking punch), and something that causes a bruise isn't on the same level as something that could cause long term injuries (i.e. getting hit with a car). The latter two should really be saved for bad people.
Accidental perverts really don't deserve any abuse, therefor, not only is any slipstick involving them not funny, it ranges from obnoxious to rage-inducing.
>>135256299
Evil incarnate.
>>135257234
* without permission
Depends on the execution really. When it's done with characters who are older than 16 it just becomes unbearable to me especially if its the main heroine. Not realizing your own feelings and being unable to express them is for fucking 10 year olds. Violence thing is fine in moderation when the MC is at fault, but when its the generic "bitch opens door naked and MC sees" it ruins it for me.
>>135257234
What if the tsundere beats him because he deliberately goes after other girls (non-romantically) like in ZnT?
>>135257456
Exactly this. When violence is shown against accidental perverts or against someone who just didn't know better its the same as beating up a handicapped kid. I don't know how violence against women is viewed in Japan but in any kind of media it annoys me when purposeful violence is used for comedy if that makes sense, don't think I phrased it right but its the best I can do in english
There is literally nothing wrong with cute girls beating my self insert.
>>135257792
Louis goes really overboard with her beating of Saito especially before she actually starts a proper relationship with him. What Louis should be doing is seriously chastising the girls who are constantly tempting him rather than just beating the shit out of Saito and only after she enters a proper relationship with him
>>135253589
Depends on the protagonist.
>>135257886
Well, before she enters a relationship with him, he's literally her slave. Do you not recognize contracts?
>>135257922
>Do you not recognize contracts?
Last time I checked he didn't agree to said contract
>>135257792
First question: Are they officially dating, or does she just feel entitled to him for some reason? It should be pretty obvious which one just makes her a selfish bitch.
Second question: Is the abuse on par with the crime? Is he groping them, is he trying to fuck them, or is he just looking? And how hard is she hitting him?
>>135257963
The kiss was the agreement. Watch the first episode.
>>135253589
The protagonists are almost never perverted and are victims of the circumstances beyond their control. Tsundere girls are usually the perverted ones, trying to trap poor protagonist so they can violate them and pretend to be innocent.
Only if he is a baka.
>>135258080
Especially Shizuka.
>>135257985
>does she just feel entitled to him for some reason?
She "owns him" via a contract and she's very harsh about it
>Is the abuse on par with the crime?
Before they become lovers? No. After? Yes.
> Is he groping them, is he trying to fuck them, or is he just looking?
Depends on the situation but it goes both ways, the girls want him as well.
>And how hard is she hitting him?
Enough that it should leave long term visible scars if it wasn't an anime
>>135258131
Man, fuck mangagamer for killing Rance.
>>135258155
Blame Maria
>>135258155
Based on how it's executed really.
If the MC does something and the tsundere's response is screaming BAKAAAAAAAAA and punching the MC sky high, fuck no, that shit's dumb and not cute at all.
If it's something like let's say, the MC does something and she does something more subtle like stepping on his feet or pinching his sides, and we get to see her be pissed off while blushing all cute like after, that's fucking cool with me.
>all this guys posting worst ninja
>>135258250
Being worst ninja is better than being dead
>>135258169
Never 5get
I want a situation where the MC accepts the confession of the other female heroine while an extra violent tsundere watches. And when she freaks out and is crying about how he never noticed her feelings, MC explains to her that from his point of view, she just kept saying that she dislikes him, calls him a pervert, and is violent towards him.
Bonus points if it isn't a tsundere heroine, but one of those situations where the whole female club MC is a part of is the abusive/manipulative/disrespectful for the sake of comedy type, and it's the outsider girl who is pure dere who steals him away.
>>135257234
>He deliberately grabbed my breasts with permission!
>Yes.
We did this shit in middleschool all day and every girl loved it.
Well, most of them atleast.
>>135258634
I want a case where a male character gets extremely vengeful against a violent female character.
>girl makes a habit of striking and verbally abusing male character
>treats him like complete trash
>he literally can't go anywhere or do anything safely because of her abuse
>it's handled in a "funny" fashion
>bitch has an accident and falls off cliff
>barely catches herself
>can't pull herself up
>looks up, sees male character looking at her
>she yells at him to help her up, baka hentai
>he just continues watching her coldly
>in the middle of her rant, she realizes that he making no movement to help up
>flashback to occasions of abuse
>masaka
>this is because of those times, isn't it
>"Honto ni gomen nasai, da kara...!"
>he just glares at her and walks away
>shocked face with tears in her eyes; she's going to die, and it's because the one person who could have saved her rightfully hates her guts
>>135258919
>I want a case where a male character gets extremely vengeful against a violent female character.
Plenty of revenge styled Eroge will sate that.
>>135253589
You have to apply Just War doctrine
>>135259021
She's an antagonist, though.
I want her to be portrayed as just another heroine, or at least a "friendly" supporting character, and for the abuse to be portrayed as "funny". Everything is normal for a long time. Then the tone changes abruptly. Suddenly, the fact that she shot at him for going to the bathroom isn't so funny anymore
Also, contrary to the extremely biased feminist narrative, I feel like rape gives some value to them. Like, at the very least, they want to enjoy their body, whether they consent or not. I want such utter disgust that they would derive no pleasure from sticking their dick in them, and the last thing that they care to hear are their turned-on moans. Complete rejection. Rape isn't really a satisfying form of revenge.
>>135258919
This would have made for an excellent ending to Zero Louise.
Too bad the girl who was hanging from the cliff, not getting help from the MC was the author.
RIP.
>>135259304
That's a rather interesting idea to use a genre shift. I'd read it
>>135257922
>>135258024
Sounds like he was been taken advantage of, nobody with common sense would agree to such a contract
Not as justifiable as a yandere's
>>135253589
Shizuka's actually surprisingly nonviolent.
Half of it is setting anti-rape traps to protect herself from getting raped in her sleep.
Another cute tsundere
>>135259820
>>135259820
Not violent once she goes tsun.
She's just a in denial tsundere
>>135259820
Satella is only violent with Rance prior to her becoming tsundere for him, after which point she threatens him but instead gets fucked by him
>>135259874
Who doesnt get fucked by Rance
>>135259597
>nobody would want to kiss a cute flat girl and for that live in fantasy world
Sounds crazy when you say it.
>>135260474
>Nobody would want to kiss a somewhat cute girl in exchange for slavery in a fantasy world where your rights aren't protected by anything
Sounds sensible to me.
>>135260427
There's at least 1 girl per game that avoids it
>>135260474
That by itself sounds great, When you add in enslavement? Not at all
>>135260427
>>135260643
Leila after 03
Uspira
Omachi
Ranmaru
Hornet
Silky
Empress Pamela
His onee-san
Kyouko
Chizuko
Annis
Terro Ettieno
Hunty
Gracia
Noah
Shikibu
Beezeleye
off the top of my head
>>135260777
+Amitos and Miki
>>135260799
and Rose Card
>>135260777
>Hornet
>Silky
>Miki
We still have 1 game to go for them, Although I can't see Silky or Miki being fucked by Rance
>Iron vagina and Omachi didn't get fucked
Forever mad
>>135260864
Still not sure with Hornet
I didn't count Hawzel because a threesome is going to happen but Hornet could go either way.
Agree that Silky and Miki are no chance
>>135260882
>Still not sure with Hornet
It'll depend on how they advertise the game, If Hornet is a major part of the showcase then it'll be a guaranteed fuck. Satella is still going to be the main demon heroine though
>>135260942
They might go back to Tomato and Nagi tradition
>>135260987
That's a long dead tradition, Look at the covers for the last couple of entries
>>135260987
Nagi was meant to be in II but was cut for reasons, I is just the odd ball out in the series
>>135261012
You mean basically all of them?
>>135260777
He technically never met Tero Ettieno or Bezeleye in any of the games, not even Kichikuou.
>>135260777
>Ranmaru
Still mad about that.
>>135253589
No; never.
>>135260777
>His onee-san
You mean the female warrior? He did fuck both of the siblings in the village
>>135260799
You can fuck Miki in kichikuou.
>>135263646
cute
>>135265690
Shizuka a cute
>>135266760
that's more sexy
>>135253589
Tsunderes a cute, so it's always justified, no matter against whom it was.
>>135253589
Yes but it's rarely done properly due to anime not doing slapstick properly.
Post without the hat.
>>135269674
>>135269956
what is she doing in that pic?
>>135271488
Receiving a ridiculously long cunnilingus
>>135271846
I don't believe you.
>>135269956
Post complete image.
>>135274821
Please?
>>135260864
He actually does fuck Omachi if she gets to love, there's just no CG. That pink haired bitch Keikoku doesn't get fucked though.
I will forever be mad about that.
>>135269956
http://exhentai.org/s/6bdce42bde/696335-382
>>135269674
Why isn't this done?
I wish we had harem leads that were like Rance
Rance is one of a kind, a relic of a bygone era.
We'll never have a protagonist as great as him again.
>>135276739
Omachi didn't get fucked canonically because Masamune didn't die nor disappear
