why all action animes get a downgrade over time?
it happened with bleach, with one piece, naruto... they all got worse and worse drawed with the time
>>135165948
>ITT: we compare a movie against a weekly anime
>>135166015
you can't defend this
>>135166015
>weekly anime can't look great
>>135165948
Bleach is no longer airing and its best-animated episodes occurred in the later parts of its run.
Naruto has seen better days, but things have been worse before, i.e. during movie production.
>>135165948
Bleach went really downhill but got itself back up to great levels towards the end.
The lowest point was the mosquito vampires and from there it fluctuated.
The important bits always looked top notch and there was the Zanpakuto filler arc that looked better than a lot of stuff before it.
>>135166109
One-Punch Man doesn't have to air for nearly every week of the year.
>animes
>>135166170
>The important bits always looked top notch
Bleach had it's share of animation highlights, but there's only a handful of scenes that I'd deem to be truly great.
reminder to not watch anything made by toei
This thread is fucking dumb. Kill yourself OP.
Stop comparing a movie against the worst episode of this show.
>>135166174
So? It's ok for an anime to look bad if it's very long.
Might as well say it's ok for it to look bad if the animators can't draw.
>>135166109
>OPM looked great
Come on.
>>135166208
For a weekly shounen anime I was always satisfied with the major manga fight adaptations and there was the Hisagi episode which was one of the best even though it was a battle of two mooks.
Come to think of it, the Szayel Apporo fight was pretty bad.
>>135166247
Don't be fucking dense. A 12 episode anime has better scheduling and time available to it than an endlessly long show.
>>135166247
It's not "okay", but the resource constraints faced by a long-running show are much greater than a seasonal one. There are next to no breaks for the production staff and there's only so much money and skill to go around in order to prop up a show that runs indefinitely.
>>135166218
reminder that gopri has better animation than DBS
>>135166259
>implying it didn't
>>135166321
>long running stuff can't look good
>what is HxH
Yes comparing movies to TV series is somewhat unfair but that doesn't excuse it for looking that bad.
>>135166247
Go watch Shirobako
Well for one thing, you're comparing a movie to a TV show and second of all, that episode got fixed in the blu-ray
>>135166247
>So? It's ok for an anime to look bad if it's very long.
Do you get how budgets work and how they're different for 1-cours vs long-runners?
>>135166478
>what is HxH
>what is YuYu Hakusho
NO EXCUSES
>>135166420
It didn't. The only thing that stood out was the animation, the art, coloring, and backgrounds were meh.
>>135166420
>what is HxH
A generally mediocre-looking show? It was fortunate enough to avoid having any production disaster, but it pales in comparison to any well-made seasonal TV anime.
>>135166478
Explain me why a long-running series can't have good animation during their climax, anon-kun.
Explain me why every single episode must have shitty animation and why this didn't happen when Madhouse actually animated a long-running shonen.
>>135166586
Hunter x Hunter had its share of good animation, but you're deluding yourself if you think the animation was consistently good across all episodes. Many episodes had stiff animation too.
>>135166654
>good animation during their climax
Are you even reading?
>>135166654
just like every seasonal anime
>>135166530
My point is: Not all long running shows look like dogshit, so don't make excuses.
>>135166478
>muh budget
stop it, retard
>>135166518
Stop trying so hard.
I'm not saying it's phenomenal but don't pretend like it doesn't look nice.
this isnt even anime. it was made on Philippines ffs
>>135166673
I was responding to your second statement, go take up the first one with the anon you were arguing with. I think you're overstating HxH's animation. It's commendable that Madhouse(and their Korean friends) managed to avoid the worst animation lows, but the animation peaks in the 2011 series doesn't even match the ones in its '99 predecessor.
>>135166743
The animation is nice but no, the anime itself doesn't look good.
I thought Bleach had passable animation.
>>135166743
>Not all long running shows look like dogshit, so don't make excuses.
Most of them do on average, Hunter x Hunter is more of an exception. I respect it's production not for having incredible animation(though it has a decent amount of good animation), but rather for ensuring the quality did not worsen to the point of obviously off-model drawings. That's good enough for a long-running series to achieve.
>>135166802
>Flips
>Relevent
Cuckold.
>>135166743
Once again OPM fans showing they are the absolute pinnacle of narrow-mindness and idiocy.
Let me guess, you hate "moetrash" too?
>>135166802
That infamous DBS episode was animated by the Japanese. Interestingly, the episode's animation supervisor was one of the best when he was working on One-Piece and is a good animator.
>>135167062
Wasn't the very last or the previous DBS episode full of crappy animation and off-model characters too?
>>135166814
What about the high detailed reaction shots or Genos flame attacks?
At least give them credit for not using cg all over the place.
>>135167013
>I'm not saying it's phenomenal
Don't get mad over nothing.
Tell me how exactly it doesn't look good.
>>135165948
Action anime didn't get worse, you just need to stop watching garbage
>>135166890
Sometimes. I do remember one episode that, despite not being very important (it was a fight between a side character and a henchman), it looked way better than most episodes in the series. Don't remember which one though, only that it was in the Fake Karakura Town arc.
>>135167541
Interestingly, the best-animated episode came from the climax of the final filler arc.
>>135167608
Which one? I haven't watched Bleach in ages.
>>135167608
You mean the on with the green haired guy where someones sword breaks and he grabs a part of the broken blade out of the air?
I liked Bleachs style more in the earlier episodes.
>>135167628
Episode 341. There's no other episode like in in the series. The director of the episode went on to direct Death Parade later.
>>135166416
Why would anyone maul princess looking girl like that, this is horrible.
>>135167683
Yes. The animator for that bit worked on One-Punch Man.
>>135165948
>comparing movie to a bad episode
>can't even form coherent sentences
>being this fucking clueless about the industry
What a shitty thread. Kill yourself OP, etc.
>>135167168
It was.
>>135167846
read the thread faggot that was literally the first reply
>>135166174
It's fucking Dragon Ball, they could have the budget for the entire OPM season EVERY SINGLE EPISODE for all 100+ of them no fucking problem.
It's Toei being fucking kikes knowing DB will print money regardless.
>>135168072
>It's fucking Dragon Ball, they could have the budget for the entire OPM season EVERY SINGLE EPISODE for all 100+ of them no fucking problem.
I think you literally don't know how this industry works
>>135166416
picked up
>>135167168
I just watch episode 24 and it was a filler and bad animated episode like the previous one, I like DB but I feel like toei is slapping in my face with this shitty animation.
>>135168072
This is what Mexico actually believes.
Dragon Ball is just surviving because it's airing just before One Piece, fucking Toriko had the same number of watchers, plus more manga sales.
Flop of the decade.
>>135166073
My sides.
>>135166109
That's some bad animation senpai. Just look at those smooth flat blocks that appear every time something gets destroyed.
>>135168072
Stay ignorant
>>135168262
I know that's bait but look closely, that's the pillars armour. They actually put this little detail in.
>>135168072
>b-but it's DRAGON BALL
>there are people defending toei in this very thread at this very moment
/a/ is the japanese brother of /tv/
>>135168115
>>135168219
>>135168312
>Dragon Ball with all the movies, mangas, games, and merchandising isn't making a fucktonne of money
Yeah ok. Dragon Ball isn't some moe slice of life show barely surviving off figurines. Just RoF pulled in tens of millions which for the anime industry is massive, not to mention all global cash DB rakes in with licensing and broadcasting rights. You are a fucking mongoloid if you think DB has any money issues. Even Super, shit as it is, is doing very well in Japan.
Toei is just a bunch of kikes who want to get as much profit as possible.
It's not just the animation quality of DBS that sucks, I really dislike the color palettes as well compared to the DBZ ones.
>>135166015
One piece looks thousands of times better and it is a weekly anime without a predicted number of episodes to know accurately how to spend the budget.
>>135168676
But anon it's le funny whimsical adventure just like DB! You like DB and hate DBZ right? You don't want to like the popular one like all those plebs, right?
As long as there is le funny gag every other episode all is forgiven because that way it's more like DB and we get to act hipster about it all.
>>135168598
RoF had a good box office, but that's it.
The anime have a very average number of viewers and the overseas market is responsable for only 1/3 of the anime profit. I would like to see what's the source of your claims.
>>135168804
I wish it was like DB
>>135166109
Guren Lagan of anime.
>>135168804
I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make.
>>135165948
>drawed
>>135166259
Are you really so desperate to not like popular things? OPM looked fantastic. Sure, the manga looked better in some areas, but you must be some next level fingers-in-ear autist if you say that looks bad.
>>135168598
>some moe slice of life show barely surviving off figurines
You have zero knowledge of the industry.
>>135166109
meanwhile
>>135169429
Hitting still targets is hard.
>>135169429
Should have copy and pasted the scene from the movie.
>>135169363
Why do you OPMfags have to act like everyone who doesn't like it is some sort of hipster contrarian.
No, I don't think it looks good. The buildings shattering into tiny blocks thing looks horrible and it's been used several times in the anime. The second building exploding looks bad with those molten almost tentacle-looking debris, and the rest of the fight is just the same overdone two high-speed balls of light chasing each other that every shounen does.
![[HorribleSubs] Bleach - 19 [480p].mkv_snapshot_19.17_[2015.12.24_12.00.21].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/44oujyJ.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Bleach - 19 [480p].mkv_snapshot_19.17_[2015.12.24_12.00.21].jpg")
Bleach went from
![[HorribleSubs] Bleach - 362 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_01.52_[2015.12.24_12.02.52].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rguPS4U.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Bleach - 362 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_01.52_[2015.12.24_12.02.52].jpg")
>>135169734
to
>>135166416
meanwhile in OPM
>>135166109
>Muh fast pacing = good animation
It's good hey, but people is praising this moment like the best animation of 2015 or something.
Hibikek had better animation and isn't even an action anime.
>>135166223
Still better than today's QUALITY.
>>135169630
So what do you like Kyoani level type of "drawings" and backgrounds?
>>135169849
pain vs naruto.webm
>>135165948
>bleach
When did it get a downgrade in quality?
>>135166073
I can, actually. That was fixed in the Blurays, not to mention that it's an inbetween frame.
>>135169363
Who said I didn't like it? All I said is that it doesn't look good, which it doesn't. No need to kid yourself.
>>135170456
That was probably the best looking episode in the franchise, not really a fair comparison.
>>135170460
Didn't Toei announced that they wouldn't change anything for the BD? You better post some proff, anon.
>some asshole actually using OPM as an example of "good animation"
>>135170839
Just plebs being plebs.
I don't even know why are mods allowing this thread.
>>135170456
I heard that DBKai ruined the flow of some of the fights is that true?
>>135170711
Sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKF_uU6poNM
>>135167013
>being this autistic
I haven't even seen OPM yet but I'm assuming it's much more enjoyable than some stupid "kawaii, Lucky Star" bullshit.
>>135171124
Aw shucks, you sure meme'd me good my friend.
>>135169630
Alright, so you don't like the individual frames. What show do you think looks good?
>>135171086
Lucky Star looks better than OPM.
>>135169365
Enlight us oh the great retarded anon
>>135171439
Again, I have yet to watch OPM, so you may be right, but I could only make it through two episodes of Lucky Star before stopping. I guess I get the appeal, but fuck it was obnoxious.
>>135171086
>hating based Lucky Star
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/11169/
>>135168262
> That's some bad animation senpai.
>>135171561
Good animation=/=Good show
Sorry, just didn't like it. The Lucky Channel segments were the only enjoyable parts imo.
>>135166015
Nigga Dragonball z is the most famous anime out there. There's no reason why it should look this horrid
>>135168706
I strongly disagree.
>>135171675
>Good animation=/=Good show
Retards on /a/ don't get this.
>>135171738
Toei knows that people will eat that shit up regardless of quality, so why should they even try?
>>135171738
Dragon Ball became famous because it ripped off and mixed the best parts of other anime and manga in its time
>>135171738
What are you using as base to say that?
Number of watchers?
BD sales?
Online communities?
Internet search trends?
Dragon Ball went to shit anon, it's not even top 10 in any category.
>>135172066
>>135168598
Why do you keep thinking that just because some franchise is big that means a lot of the money is going into the anime? You have no idea how the industry, let alone BUSINESSES IN GENERAL, work. You probably think OPM had a relatively huge budget.
>>135172066
I'm not saying its top 10, I'm saying its famous around the world. The fact that they still make movies for this shows that. Dragon ball z died years ago for me. It's pretty much a parody of itself at this point, just like everything else that goes on longer than it should have.
>>135165948
>animes
>>135166416
Why would anyone watch this?
>>135169583
Frieza carries db
Reminder that DBS is always top 10 in the tv rantings
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-12-17/japan-animation-tv-ranking-december-7-13/.96639
>>135173795
Cute girls and some good fights
>>135167693
You expect a punk rock looking motherfucker like that to give a shit about mahou shoujo? Don't be a fool.
Jojo will have the same end
>>135170839
>>135170902
>OP talks about how action anime look worse nowadays
>make an example of a good looking action anime from this season
>people complain
great contributions
>>135170935
Pacing will obviously feel different to anyone who previously watched the original. It will be fine to anyone that hasn't. That's simply how heavily one's own experiences weigh in.
Honestly though, it's mostly people pretending that it's inferior for the sake of sounding cool. That, or they never watched it and still somehow aren't aware that the Nicktoons version is not the full uncut release.
Bruce can suck a dick for the most part.
>>135168706
>thousands of times better
Try a bit better
>>135171003
thats not much better...
>>135165948
>using dragon ball to make a point
fuck off
>>135165948
Are you kidding with Bleach?
>>135166109
>no more than 12 episodes a year per season if it gets more than one LOL
>>135176523
Indeed, there isnt more frames, and even the redrawn frames looks, eeeeh.
Does anyone have a comparison of the dancing Morgiana from Magi (broadcast vs BD)
>>135172196
The fact that it's that famous, in that particular way, is pretty much why it has such shit animation. It's like when Hollywood makes a sequel or remake of a popular movie from twenty years ago. You don't expect that to be good, right? You expect it to be shit and make a profit anyway, and so do the creators.
>>135176523
The main issue is that the scene directing and choreography was bad too, not only the animation itself. They'd need to completely remake those scenes, rather than just redraw the art to actually make it look good.
>>135172066
>Number of watchers?
>Dragon Ball went to shit anon, it's not even top 10 in any category.
Super is always in the top 10 weekly ratings for anime.
>>135169173
Gurren Lagann is an anime, you imbecile
>>135178880
>>135169365
found the weeaboo fag trying to make anime seem like some amazing industry
>>135166586
>Explain me why a long-running series can't have good animation during their climax, anon-kun.
That Base Goku vs Freeza battle here was hardly any "climax" though. The climax of the arc is the SSJGSS stuff that starts next week when they begin fighting seriously.
>Explain me why every single episode must have shitty animation and why this didn't happen when Madhouse actually animated a long-running shonen.
But "every single episode" doesn't have bad animation like the most recent one. The episodes from Freeza's revival to Gohan vs Ginyu looked unimpressive, but fine. This recent episode looked bad even for Super's standards, just like episode 5.
>>135169429
No motherfucking way.
Guess I'm lucky I was too lazy to keep watching it.
>>135179117
>>135179284
>Huge build up only to end up with dyed hair.
dragon ball in a nutshell
>>135179455
Good job debasing only Sayian transformations and utterly ignoring anyone else's.
>>135179284
Love the SSG and SSB auras.
>>135170003
Blatantly false.
>>135170456
>>135166015
>It's an anime episode compared to a movie, that's unfair!
There's also a 20 year technology gap.
>>135179284
Soon.
Why Goku spared Vegeta but not Freezer or Buu? All of them were remorseless genocidal monsters when he faced them but only Vegeta received the benefit of being spared
>>135165948
It's unfair to compare a shot from a movie to a TV show. Use BoTG instead.
>>135179900
Piccolo (Jr.) too.
>>135179788
That doesn't really matter since it's all still hand drawn.
>>135179900
Did you not pay attention?
>Freezer
Actually did spare him, but was forced to put him down when he literally tried to shoot him in the back.
>Buu
Chaotic evil, impossible to reason with.
>>135180111
You think ribs work that way?
>>135180159
Not him, but this was supposed to be a funny scene. Of course funny scenes will mess with the way the body works for the sake of comedic effect. Or are you really so autistic that you think Goku literally slapping some sense into Frieza was supposed to be taken at face value?
>>135166586
>explain me
You know, When I read this first I thought I'd let it slide. Like, I figured it was a typo or something. But then I read the next line.
>explain me
What the fuck? You want me to explain you? Alright, I'll explain you.
You're a fucking retard. Done. You're explained.
>>135166743
>My point is: Not all long running shows look like dogshit, so don't make excuses.
No all, but a majority do.
>>135180304
>Can't explain shit
Okay, sperglord
>>135180266
>Not him, but this was supposed to be a funny scene.
Keep moving those goal posts. Is this a funny scene too?
It's okay with Dragon Ball Z but not with Super? Be more hypocritical.
>>135180429
>doesn't understand my explanation
Okay, retard.
>>135179594
what does ssb even means?
>>135180623
Super Saiyan Blue. Coined by Whis.
Because Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan sounds retarded.
>>135169429
Holy fuck, that looks so awkward, was this really in the show?
>>135180474
>Is this a funny scene too?
Well, it's certainly hilarious.
>>135169849
So if Genos didn't had to take the hit for that little girl, he would have won, right?
>>135180474
>Is this a funny scene too?
No. There's no need to get defensive, you just used a bad example.
>It's okay with Dragon Ball Z but not with Super?
To a certain degree... yes. 20 years is a lot of time, animation technology has changed a lot. One positive thing I'll say about Super (though even that is subjective) is that it looks a lot "cleaner" than Z.
And even then your screencap does not compare to the retarded Goku vs Beerus fight. Twenty years later. When Dragonball has become the biggest anime franchise with an international following, meaning Toei could easily spare the money to make the animation at least fucking decent.
We see smaller studios pumping out better quality with less of a budget all the time. Maybe this proves that art really is born from adversity.
>>135180764
>No. There's no need to get defensive, you just used a bad example.
Making Goku look like Rob Liefeld's Captain America is no excuse for that scene.
>To a certain degree... yes. 20 years is a lot of time, animation technology has changed a lot.
Bullshit. The only thing that changed is the use of digital ink and paint to color in the drawings. It's all still hand-drawn.
You have set imaginary expectations that not even Dragon Ball Z has met.
Keep moving that goalpost.
>>135180764
>We see smaller studios pumping out better quality with less of a budget all the time.
You are aware that smaller studios product 12 episodes at most while Toei has to produce hundreds of episodes for multiple series, right?
You're literally comparing the budget of a one cour or two cour studio that depends on BD sales versus a major billion-yen studio that depends on using the anime as a commercial for the merchandise, right?
Moron.
>>135180764
>And even then your screencap does not compare to the retarded Goku vs Beerus fight
Errata.
>>135178779
And anon stopped replying to you because what you said doesn't fit his narrative.
>>135180922
*produce
>>135180764
>smaller studios producing 12 episodes as a time and depend on BD sales to keep afloat
>compared to a studio that produces hundreds of episodes for the most popular franchises
Oh gee, I wonder why there's a difference in quality.
![[HnG Muscle Subs] Kinnikuman the Movie (DVD) [AD215B17].mkv_snapshot_38.49_[2015.12.24_15.46.42].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/M2MTHDv.jpg "[HnG Muscle Subs] Kinnikuman the Movie (DVD) [AD215B17].mkv_snapshot_38.49_[2015.12.24_15.46.42].jpg")
>Kinnikuman is practically the only decent battle shounen with a wrestling theme
>Anime is horribly paced full of filler and kinkotsuman everywhere
>Replaced best girl with Mari
>Scramble for the throne still not translated
>Authors refuse to deviate from DBZ beam duels in their shounen manga/anime
Why?
>>135180764
>We see smaller studios pumping out better quality with less of a budget all the time.
If Toei only needed to make 12 episodes per anime with the cours spread out, I'd bet they'd make the same quality shit too.
They're a billion-yen company, after all.
>>135181148
Because DBZ beam battles actually produce billions of yen and kids love 'em.
Kinnikuman is also popular, but not as popular as DBZ beam battles.
>>135180922
>>135181059
>Small studios that get a limited budget for a glorified commercial vs a world famous franchise that by itself generates more budget than most one cour anime even if you include BD sales.
Yeah...nah. It's not as if theoretically speaking Toei has enough of a budget to consistently push out episodes that at the very least look decent or anything.
>>135180764
Technological advances don't mean shit if you still have to animate this by hand.
Wait until computers can animate by themselves without looking like awkward GoAnimate shit, then we'll talk about this quality being inexcusable in light of the technology.
>>135181234
>It's not as if theoretically speaking Toei has enough of a budget to consistently push out episodes
>12 episodes per cour with most anime never getting a new season, cours spread out
>versus hundreds of episodes of anime that has to be done every week for years worth more than all the cours of the smaller studios
You have no sense of scale, do you? Throwing money on animators won't suddenly make them meet deadlines on hundreds of thousands of drawings.
Have you even seen how many studios are working on DBS?
>>135181234
You realize time plays a major factor into this stuff, right? For anime that airs for years, it gets to the point where they're making episodes in days to make the airing deadline.
>>135181234
Toei has enough budget, but not enough time, especially since they're doing multiple shows at the same time.
If Toei were losing money from this scheme, you'd have a point. Thing is, Toei is making more money than ever doing this amount of work (which is still hard work, mind you).
>>135181148
Because beam duels are awesome desu
>>135181234
Jesus Christ, good thing you're not in the animation industry.
With your kind of "throw money at it and it will somehow work out" kind of expectations in regards to quality, you'd run Toei out of business faster than you can say Manglobe.
>>135180623
Super smash bros
>>135181480
>manglobe's last project was gangsta
>their final bang was that shitfest
>>135181234
ITT: Ignorant anon who thinks that one cour anime equals anime with hundreds of episodes and faster deadlines should have the same quality.
Kill yourself.
>>135181300
That image is so wrong that it is almost laughable. Goku and Vegeta would've end up mutilated/turned into gibs after getting his one punch.
>>135181234
The quality is like that because it's a weekly show with hundreds of episodes.
If Toei were doing one cours like the smaller studios you put on a pedestal, they'd produce the same quality because they'd have more time and fewer episodes to work on.
I'm not sure why this is such a hard thing to grasp. And you mention money will fix everything.
Thing is Toei made all this money by following this modus operandi. They literally have no reason to change. Certainly not for some entitled gaijin who don't even buy their BDs.
>>135181570
Saitama and goku would bond over food that saitama doesn't have to pay for.
>>135181300
Same guy who made the Superman versus Saitama pic, huh?
>>135181570
this >>135181627
Though even if they did fight, Saitama wouldn't necessarily gib them. Just because he can win with one punch, doesn't mean he necessarily knows how hard to punch. He's good at not gibbing people who can't take a good punch from him but he definitely can underestimate how hard he needs to punch, i.e. beginning of Boros fight
>>135181234
Budget but no time.
Also, it works. DBS, shitfest as it is, is still keeping the DB brand relevant.
>>135181234
Damn, you guys wailed on this anon.
>>135166208
Byakuya VA Koga from the zanpaktou arc was one of the best animated fight scenes in the anime
>>135179711
>>135180922
FD
www.solidfiles.
com/d/deca0b79c2/
>>135181462
Japan seems to think so, mangaka as well since they can just spill oil on the page and call it an attack
>>135166109
light paced action, which is easier to do than close quarter combats
>>135168598
DBS will continue if merchandise sales are good, then ratings of the series
Contributing. I've just stopped watching at this point. just going to read the manga instead.
>>135166109
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>>135180266
>funny scene
When Goku bites Frieza tail yes, but this one was when Frezas was getting rhumiliated by Goku
>>135182268
>>135181234
Card Captor Sakura look gorgeous for a regular TV show with mostly good animation, even for the "weaker" episodes, and that show had 70 episodes spread over almost 3 years.
And it sure wanst just 12 episodes per fucking year, heck, there wasn't much CCS merch at all.
No excuse
>>135180266
Deebeezeefag on damage control.
I bet you're a Toonami baby too.
>>135181796
I'm that anon and admittedly they made good points.
>>135181148
Beam battles are easier to animate than wrestling moves.
>>135182383
>>135182383
>70 episodes spread for 3 years
>versus 500 episodes spread for 10 years
Naruto also gets complaints for QUALITY, mind you. And it has that for the same reason DBS has.
>>135166802
Why the fuck Goku looks so young in super? fucking toyotaro
>>135182383
>No excuse
>using CLAMP Quality as an example
No excuse, you say?
>>135182383
>>135182477
You're not honestly comparing 70 episodes to hundreds of episodes, are you?
Especially an anime that can use chibi shortcuts and comedic moments to make it easier to animate.
>>135182383
CCS was less action oriented though. Less action oriented shows tend to be better animated because the movements are more subtle and restrained.
For example, in your gif notice that fucking nobody moves in the background. Even the waiter is frozen in space. Not saying that this automatically makes the animation bad, just saying that people can afford to cut corners in non-action scenes.
Compare Dragonball, which has a major fight in almost every episosde.
>>135182383
DBS is at episode 50 something and isn't even halfway through.
I'd also note that around the third season, CLAMP quality really started to show in CSS.
It even spilled over to other shows.
>action animes
>>135182697
>You're not honestly comparing 70 episodes to hundreds of episodes, are you?
Not him, but DBS is stalling and stretching out so much (despite not having an anime to keep up with, unlike DBZ (and even that got Kai to fix the pacing)) I'm pretty sure that the story of DBS could be condensed into at least 50 episodes. Cut out the needless filler, shorten the overly long fights and you have a much better paced and much better animated show.
If we're comparing 100 episodes to 70 episodes, it's because Toei opted to stretch their story out to 100 episodes.
>>135179711
I think I peed a little
>>135182795
>Not him, but DBS is stalling and stretching out so much (despite not having an anime to keep up with, unlike DBZ
Stopped reading there. You have no idea what you're talking about. DBZ is notorious for its pacing.
Remember Namek? Remember power ups? Remember how a 10 minute fight between Gohan and Cell took five episodes?
Out of all the places you could move your goalpost, you move it in that direction?
>If we're comparing 100 episodes to 70 episodes
It's about 30 episodes extra and people are saying hundreds of episodes, not 100 episodes.
Take of your nostalgia glasses, dude.
>>135181681
This is what Gocucks believe, being assblasted at Superman was not enough it seems
>>135182795
>Cut out the needless filler, shorten the overly long fights and you have a much better paced and much better animated show.
Why would they do that when they intentionally stretch the show out to make relevant for a longer period of time?
>Not him, but DBS is stalling and stretching out so much (despite not having an anime to keep up with, unlike DBZ (and even that got Kai to fix the pacing)
You lost me at DBZ not stalling as much as DBS. Are you high?
>>135182950
>>135182795
>Not him, but DBS is stalling and stretching out so much (despite not having an anime to keep up with, unlike DBZ
>unlike DBZ
>DBZ
>291 episodes
>versus 50 episodes so far
It's more of the same, really. It's not any better or any worse. Are you being facetious?
>>135182769
That cannot be real
>>135182795
Not him, but you really have no argument saying that DBS drags things out "unlike' DBZ.
>>135182925
>DBZ is notorious for its pacing.
I know. What I was saying is that at least DBZ had the excuse of having a manga they needed to keep up with. It was bad, it was horribly shitty, but at least there was even the thinnest veil of an excuse. DBS doesn't even have that.
I'm not wearing nostalgia glasses, I remember the horribly long fight between Goku and Frieza. I'm just saying that at least back then, Toei could pretend they were giving Toriyama the time to finish up some more chapters.
>>135182978
>Why would they do that when they intentionally stretch the show out to make relevant for a longer period of time?
I would say love for their own art, but we all know they have none.
>You lost me at DBZ not stalling as much as DBS.
Read the above. DBZ stalled, but to a limited degree it was justified stalling, much like filler hell between Naruto and Naruto Shippuden.
>>135182795
>>135183119
OOH, fuck. Now I understand why everyone misunderstands me.
>Despite not having an anime to keep up with
should be
>Despite not having a manga to keep up with
>>135183119
>I know. What I was saying is that at least DBZ had the excuse of having a manga they needed to keep up with
DBS has an even better excuse than DBZ. Its manga is running at the same time as the TV show. It doesn't have a pace to set because both the anime and the manga are going on a head-to-head race.
It's practically anime original.
>>135183165
That's no excuse. With having a manga to follow, they can be more relaxed with the pace.
Without an manga to follow and with a manga running concurrently, they have no blueprints to how the pace should go.
>>135183119
>I know. What I was saying is that at least DBZ had the excuse of having a manga they needed to keep up with. It was bad, it was horribly shitty, but at least there was even the thinnest veil of an excuse. DBS doesn't even have that.
Well, there's no manga, but they still needed to keep up with the production schedule of the upcoming new material, which wasn't finished one month before the show started.
>>135183000
Don't make start
>>135183119
>It was bad, it was horribly shitty, but at least there was even the thinnest veil of an excuse. DBS doesn't even have that.
The lack of a manga means the pacing is even more shot because they have nothing to follow and they have to at least be one arc behind the DBS manga.
There's also the fact that they do have one othe recourse for a blueprint, which are the movies that came before the anime.
>>135180748
Yup same with sonic
>>135183119
They're following the movie and they have an insane production schedule that's Naruto or Bleach like in its scope.
If anything, they're worse off than the DBZ animators. They have barely an outline to fill out and that outline is probably being written as we speak.
>>135183285
>Don't make start
Nice grammar desu
>>135180748
Nah.
>>135183304
Nah. I bet Sea King is bomb and blade proof.
>>135165948
One Punch won't, Garou vs Saitama in 2020 going to destroy every anime that ever existed.
>>135183289
*one other recourse
>>135183000
>Saitama_realizes_the_christmas_blowout_sale_just_ended.jpg
>>135183389
Garou versus Saitama is so slow paced, it looks like OPM's Namek Saga.
Toei are really fucking bad cheap skates.
World Trigger looks like shit too.
>>135182769
That's why I cannot watch xxxHolic
And I'm very interested on it, BUT
I can't stand these proportions, I fucking CANT
>>135183576
Please tell me those characters are supposed to look that way and that this isn't QUALITY of the highest order.
>>135175109
OPM's animation is too quick and flashy imo
>>135183576
>>135183619
>>135183672
>too quick and flashy
Have you really grown that accustomed to the slow pace of DBZ fights? Fight scenes should be short and sweet. Of course we can't make fixed rules, but I'm of the opinion that, unless it's a really major fight, a fight shouldn't last longer than an episode.
>>135183672
Then try to keep up old man
>>135183672
This. OPM doesn't give audiences the time to understand what's going on. It doesn't slow down enough for people to register every hit.
>>135182619
>MUMMI LUUK I AM USIN G SHUPS
>>135183346
The point is that Saitama can't lose and doesn't have to struggle. Part of the joke of the series is if a hero will win, he'll get to the point. Goku, through the power of fan-service, will never "lose" or "die" (even though the writer wanted him too). However, he can still be defeated but afterwards he can mulligan (dragon balls or some shit) and get a second chance to finally win out through some lame deus ex machina.
>>135183695
>>135183576
>>135182769
>Modern post CCS clamp
>My argument is perfect
>>135183750
>he thinks it's shooped
>>135183821
>CCS is perfect
>>135183346
>Implying Goku would react fast enough
>Implying he wouldn't be grunting and moaning like a constipated child while "powering up"
>Implying Saitama's punch isn't so fast, it catches him "off guard", just like Sorbet's Lucky Charms prize ring.
>>135183819
>>135183742
>>135183672
Lol take a listen to these retards. I hope you are samefagging, for the sake of there not being two people this retarded in the world.
>>135183821
I don't remember the last time CCS involved extensive martial arts action.
Even its beam spam is lazier than DBZs.
>>135183929
>OPM fanboy has ADD
>>135183895
>Implying Goku would react fast enough
Kek
>Implying Saiama would react and move fast enough
>>135183725
Not the fights themselves, the animation. I dont care if fodder get destroyed in ~10 seconds as long as I can follow what's happening.
