Top Tier:
Isao Takahata, Mamoru Oshii, Satoshi Kon, Hayao Miyazaki
High Tier:
Osamu Dezaki, Naoko Yamada,Masaaki Yuasa, Takashi Nakamura, Kunihiko Ikuhara, Keiichi Hara, Yasuhiro Imagawa, Hideaki Anno, Tatsuya Oishi
Good Tier:
Katsuhiro Otomo, Koji Morimoto, Mitsu Iso, Hiroyuki Okiura, Noboru Ishiguro, Gisaburo Sugii, Mamoru Hosoda, Hiroyuki Imaishi, Akiyuki Shinbo, Yoshiaki Kawajiri, Takeshi Koike, Yoh Yoshinari, Takuya Igarashi
OK Tier:
Kenji Nakamura, Junichi Sato, Rintaro, Shinichiro Watanabe, Ryutaro Nakamura, Yoshiyuki Tomino, Rie Matsumoto, Yasuhiro Takemoto, Tsutomu Mizushima, Yasuhiro Yoshiura
Medicore Tier:
Seiji Mizushima, Junji Nishimura, Makoto Shinkai, Ei Aoki, Tatsuya Ishihara, Yutaka Yamamoto, Tatsuyuki Nagai, Goro Taniguchi, Shoji Kawamori
>>134915395
How do you judge a director?
>>134915395
What is the point in knowing all these names?
>>134915480
shitposting.
>>134915395
>Ryuske Takahashi not even listed
>>134915395
>imaishi
>good
i love this meme
JAPANESE ANIMATOR POWER RANKINGS
S+ : Hiroyuki Okiura - Mitsuo Iso - Osamu Tanabe.
S : Toshiyuki Inoue - Satoru Utsunomiya - Norio Matsumoto - Masashi Ando.
S- : Yutaka Nakamura - Shinya Ohira - Shinji Hashimoto - Takeshi Honda - Tatsuyuki Tanaka - Atsuko Tanaka - Katsuya Kondo.
A+ : Ei Inoue - Shinji Otsuka - Tetsuya Nishio - Kouichi Arai - Hisashi Mori - Yasunori Miyazawa - Takahiro Kishida - Kou Yoshinari - You Yoshinari - Kiyotaka Oshiyama - Kazuto Nakazawa.
A : Yoshihiko Umakoshi - Kenichi Yoshida - Masaaki Yuasa - Yoshiji Kigami - Makiko Futaki - Tetsuya Takeuchi - Tatsuzo Nishida - Hiroyuki Aoyama - Hideki Hamasu - Hiromasa Yonebayashi - Kazuchika Kise - Tokuyuki Matsutake - Kenichi Konishi - Masahiro Ando.
A- : Yasuomi Umetsu - Masami Goto - Masahito Yamashita - Shouichi Masuo - Kaichiro Terada - Mahiro Maeda - Akira Honma - Toshiyuki Tsuru - Nobutake Ito - Takeshi Koike - Akihiko Yamashisha - Tadashi Hiramatsu - Hidetsugu Ito - Michio Mihara - Norimitsu Suzuki - Yuriko Chiba - Yoshimi Itazu - Yuuki Hayashi - Takayuki Hamada - Ryotaro Makihara - Yukiko Horiguchi - Hironori Tanaka.
B+ : Yasushi Muraki - Masami Obari - Yoshimichi Kameda - Takashi Hashimoto - Kenichi Kutsuna - Chikashi Kubota - Ikuo Kuwana - Shoujiro Nishimi - Takashi Tomioka - Naoyuki Onda - Yuichiro Sueyoshi - Kazuyoshi Yaginuma - Masashi Okumura - Yoshiyuki Ito - Norimoto Tokura - Atsushi Wakabayashi - Hirofumi Suzuki - Noriyuki Kitanohara - Takashi Mukouda - Shukou Murase - Katsuya Yamada - Shingo Suzuki - Ryochimo.
hosoda is high tier don't be gay
>>134915556
Even if you don't like his content the guy has directed many iconic episodes that he needs to be placed that high.
>>134915395
Wow, a list that doesn't seem to be a bait list. Usually recognizable by having Miyazaki or Anno somewhere low on the list.
I'd say Yuasa deserves top, though maybe we should wait a bit more. I don't know any other anime director whose works proved such a variety in terms of visual design and expression.
Miyazaki - interesting that you have both him and Takahata on the top spot. Usually it's one or the other.
Anno - created Evangelion, which definitely had top-tier direction. But as much as I love the guy lots of his other stuff puts this into doubt. I hope he becomes a great producer, japan animator expo is some indication of that.
Oshii - I think his live-action career led him on a stray path. His post 80s works are much more flawed compared to his previous ones, and then it got even worse in the 2000s.
Dezaki - would want to see him at top, but I guess high is really where he should go.
Kenji Nakamura - I think he deserves good at least. Again, one of the most visually creative works in the medium came from under his wing.
>>134915395
>shinbo
>not toppest of tops tier
wtf??
>>134915971
Kill yourself, man.
>>134915395
I only recognize like half of these but my only complaint is Miyazaki doesn't deserve to be that high. Takahata is clearly the best director at Ghibli.
>>134915480
Sometimes people actually care about the medium the spend so much time on. It's called not being a casual.
>>134915971
see I was gonna ask why he wasn't okay at best
>>134915738
To be honest I love Oshii's works even his recent ones. And I don't see how Nakamura should be over Yusa, Yamada or Oishi.
>>134915395
>High Tier:
>Yoh Yoshinari
After the direction disaster that's LWA 2, he should go back to drawing keyframe.
>>134916115
In what way was it a disaster?
>>134915971
I think he's fine where he's at. I like him but he get vastly overrated as some kind of genius.
>>134916115
>LWA2
>directional disaster
It was sloppy in the QC and animation departement when compared to LWA but the direction kept the same atmosphere.
>>134916082
I care about the medium too. I care more about the work produced than the names of random nips. It is a group effort not just a one man project.
>>134915991
no you
>>134916330
> It is a group effort not just a one man project.
So then you know the names of all the directors and animators and everyone else? Pretty impressive.
>>134916330
Actually, you can know the director just by watching a little bit of work. A director is the most important person on the staff and you can clearly see his/her touch on the work.
>>134915395
>>134915665
My personal favorites:
Directors:
Yuasa
Oshii
Anno
Ikuhara
Nakamura
Animators:
Iso
Yoshinari
Hamada
Inoue
Ohira
Character Designers:
Ito
Amano
Sadamoto
Take
ABe
>>134915556
>being a contrarian
I mildly enjoy this meme 6/10
What do you anons think of Kenji Kamiyama?
I remember reading that he thought of himself as someone who's good at doing adaptations and developing ideas which have already been created, but not creating original work. Also that he's good at judging production costs (which I remember Kon saying he was bad at and basically let Maruyama Masao take care of).
Having trouble finding the interview where Kenji Kamiyama said those things, but the source for what Kon said is his last letter.
>>134916330
"I care about music, but I can't name a single musician"
>>134916403
Is Kamiyama even doing anything anymore?
>>134916467
Probably sitting at a corner of IG cafe, drinking himself to death.
>>134916403
>Also that he's good at judging production costs
replace with:
Also that he's good at judging what the production costs will be
>>134916101
But good wouldn't put him above them. I'd say his workse were much weaker than Yuasa's but I'd say they're the top two when it comes to design variety. Really no two like those come to mind. Maybe Maeda? But his variety has mainly been evident in shorts and that's easier to pull off.
>>134916101
I have mixed feelings. I still like his visual direction, but I think it's his narrative direction that has gotten worse. Angel's Egg was a visual poem while Ghost in the Shell tried to be both a poem and in your fave prose at the same time.
>>134915395
>Anno
>high tier
>>134916403
>he thought of himself as someone who's good at doing adaptations and developing ideas which have already been created, but not creating original work.
Couldn't have said it better myself, but it's kind of depressing when he said it himself.
>>134916467
>>134916495
here's his twitter:
https://twitter.com/kixyuubann
I just noticed he tweeted something about Moribito, is it that there will be a rebroadcast on NHK?
>>134916403
He's top tier in my book. SAC had better direction and was more visually cohesive than the original GitS. It's just a shame that his last work is that fuckifest of a movie.
>>134916366
>>134916416
>I watch the credits at the end of movies so I can know every single person involved
>>134916598
nvm I'm pretty sure it's about the live-action adaptation instead, I'd like to check it out.
>>134916672
generally if I like something I want to learn more about those who made it, yes
why are you trying to spin this into a bad thing?
Ota Masahiko is top tier
>>134916613
It had better narrative direction but I can't see how it had better visual direction. GITS movie was top tier on that second front.
>>134916672
Knowing the Director isn't difficult if you enjoyed their works. Even if you can't recognize their names after watching so much anime you might find the Directors style as recognizable in the same way you would recognize the style of an important animator.
Either way you're trying to justify being a normalfag pleb on /a/, contemplate on your life for a moment please.
Rather then directors
Who decides the artstyle when they're making a work?
This is extremely relevant when it comes to hentai, I've never been able to track down the "artists" of kanojo x kanojo although the artstyle and er... choreography was godlike
Urobuchi Gen was the first guy in mind when i saw this thread
>>134916944
he doesn't even direct
>>134916717
>>134916811
>caring about gooks that will die from the common cold within 10 lunar calendars
Can't be anymore stupid than this.
>>134916783
I don't know. SAC felt cohesive. Everything made sense visually. Can't be said for GitS.
>>134917035
I think you can definitely say that for at least the first movie. I hated the second and never watched it again so I forget everything about it.
>>134916937
Well, with choreography it depends on who draws the storyboard. Plus there's the animation director. If you're talking about how the characters look like then there's the character designer.
>>134917035
What exactly did not make sense in the movie? It's a masterpiece of visual direction.
>>134916937
Here's your guy:
http://myanimelist.net/people/11281/Murayama_Kousuke
>Top Tier
>old people, dead people or retired people
Anime is dead.
>Takashi the highest Nakamura
Heresy.
>>134917152
Because they are tried and tested. In the next decade maybe Yuasa, Yanada and Oishi will top them.
>>134916082
>not being a casual
>Miyazaki in the highest tier
Fuck off with your shit thread.
>>134917152
in general I think people are most comfortable giving the "top tier" title to those with lots of experience to back it up
>>134917152
>Top Tier
>Four of the five most entry level directors
>Anno one tier below
OP's individuality is dead, more like.
>>134917219
>Implying I'm the OP
>Implying I agree with the OP
>Implying I didn't already state in this thread that Takahata is much better
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>>134917237
They are entry level because they are good.
>>134915395
>High Tier: Keiichi Hara
He's made two mediocre movies and endless kids' shit. What the fuck is this?
>>134917219
Confirmed for pleb. Miyazaki is amazing.
>>134917283
No, they're entry-level because they're good and do movies and are normalfag-friendly.
>>134915469
By their direction and the overall quality of their work, dummy.
>>134917295
he's the best director of crayon shin-chan (imo) and I liked his movies
still waiting on subs for miss hokusai but I've heard it's one of his best to date
still, "good" is probably more fitting but he's one of the better feature film directors right now
>>134917295
I really fucking liked how Colorful was presented.
>>134917334
There aren't many anime that are good and not normalfag firendly.
>>134917237
>>134917219
>>134917152
You're welcome to post your Top Tier directors so we can also complain and pick apart your list.
>>134915395
>Naoko Yamada,Ma
YOU FORGOT A SPACE.
>>134915395
>Ryutaro Nakamura
>just "OK"
>>134917334
Go away, weeaboo trash.
>>134917359
This
>>134915395
Takahiro Miura won NewType awards for best TV anime of 2015
>>134917152
This is true. The hippest freshest cat around is Yuasa and he's 50 years old and had his first chance to show his stuff like 15 years ago. Directors don't get chances to flex their creativity these days unless they're already established
>>134917378
top kek
>>134917377
I'm not them but everyone should post their top directors anyway
Here's mine: Yuasa, Yamada, Ikuhara, Hosoda, Takahata
>>134917444
>hippest and freshest
>anyone but yamada
>>134917490
thanks for posting my top five for me
>>134917442
Yeah. I really have faith in those Sony awards. But honestly his episodes looked great but the series fell apart and didn't have a coherent visual identity.
>>134917393
Lain was 10/10 but it was more thanks to the producer, Yasasuki Ueda. Just compare the two. Ueda worked with ABe on Texhnolyze, Haibane Renmei and Niea_7, all top-tier shows.
On the other hands what are some of Nakamura's other works? Kino, Colorful, Ghost Hound and those are his better ones. Besides that he made shit like Rec, Legends of Crystania and Sakura Wars, not the best stuff I've seen.
It just proves how sometimes it's better for the Producer to have more influence on the work.
>>134915395
Satoshi Kon should be in a tier by himself. If he wasn't directing just anime, he would've been recognized with some of the all-time great Japanese directors like Ozu or Kurosawa
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>>134917521
>yamada
Is not seen by the community as an amazing creative mind the way old guys like Yuasa are fellated and is seen as just as a cog in the kyoani machine. Tamako Market TV was a swing and a miss
>>134917490
Miyazaki, Takahata, Oshii, Kawamoto and Yuasa I think.
>>134916403
Kenji Kamiyama and Kasai Kenichi are the best at adaptions.
>>134917662
we're talking hip and fresh though
she's the one I see most buzz about
like everyone already knows yuasa is the man
he's been the man since mind game
that's old news
>>134917490
Nice taste. Would watch anime with/10
>>134917677
>Kasai Kenichi
My nigger. I'm mad he's not on this list.
>>134917612
I think this goes for a lot of directors on that list. Kind of sad really.
>>134917835
Miyazaki is considered one of the best Japanese directors already. And he was also a friend with Kurosawa (he loved My Neighbor Totoro).
>>134917662
If you're not shitposting then no you're absolutely wrong. Yamada might not be as experimental as Yuasa but she's the best at conveing emotions and shit with mannerisms and body language. Might have to do with why she was selected to direct Koe no Katachi.
>>134917777
He gets no recognition from most people because he just does adaptions. People just don't realize literally every good adaption from J.C. Staff was done by him.
I didn't even realize he's directing Amanchu next. I'm hyped now.
How is your favorite director recognizable, /a/?
>>134917703
I see zero buzz. People still see Yuasa as a spring chicken who is doing wild shit to challenge the establishment
>>134917883
I'm not trying to do any ruses, but she's not given the same privileges as many of the old men are to do whatever. She's one of the few who got the right to show off her own vision with an original like Tamako Market.
I don't think it's going to get any better for her really, yeah it's great that she gets to do that movie and I agree she's great at subtleties, but she's never going to get the free reign to do whatever like some of the old guys who get thrown around as GOATs. But that's probably fine for her though, because she's a homegrown kyoani golden girl who might just not have any wild ideas and just sticks to the subdued safe house style which she basically started with keion
>Tatsuya in High Tier
>Shinbo in Good Tier
Explain
>>134917983
the following gestures, and a focus on body language in isolation from the rest of the body
>>134917596
Niea under 7 kinda sucked to be honest
>>134917127
>Kanojo x Kanojo x Kanojo: Sanshimai to no DokiDoki Kyoudou Seikatsu
>Episode Director
>Key Animation
>Animation Director
>Storyboard
>Character Design
This guy's a fucking one man army
>>134918075
But she was literally given the freedom to decide against doing a Keion S3 because she believed in Tamako Market. How is that not creative freedom?
>>134918170
Oishi actually directs good palpable episodes and series. Shinbo just gave Shaft the aesthetics they seem to be stuck on.
>>134917662
She's worked on like two fucking things one of which is pretty polarizing the other just kind of inconsequential.
>>134918307
She worked on K-On, Tamako Market, Tamako Love Story, and Euphonium.
Is experimental anime dying? Will we see any studio take a risk these days and make something like Lain or Kemonozume or Paranoia Agent?
Even Yuasa's recent anime are far tamer compared to his earlier works like Mind Game
>>134918355
Sekko Boys is literally next season.
>>134917533
You mean the ones that gave an award to a show that wasn't even finished yet and Best movie to one that had been in theaters for barely a week at the time just because they were affiliated with Sony? Best mecha design to Aldnoah and SAO two shows I never heard anybody talk about either in Japan or America for "mecha design" pretty much drove home how totally not chosen by committee those were.
>>134918278
>Shinbo just gave Shaft the aesthetics they seem to be stuck on
I'm not sure why everyone criticizes Shinbo for this. It's his style. What exactly is bad about that? Plenty of directors have their own visual style that they'll repeatedly use (even a great director like Tarkovsky). Maybe you're tired of it but it's an interesting style in the contest of Monogatari.
>>134918355
animator expo was literally this year
lots of stuff last year
independent animators still exist
yuasa's got a new film in the works for your mainstream appetite
Shinichiro Watanabe should be higher, but I know this is just a shitpost bait thread.
>>134916082
>>134916366
>>134916387
They don't matter, only the finished product does. This is anime and manga discussion imageboard, not Japanese man and woman discussion imageboard.
>>134918460
Yes but Bakemonogatari was an Oishi work. The latest Monogataris despite having Shinbou on their staff list don't look as well crafted as Bakemono was. That's why Oishi is high and Shinbou is not. Also Kizu looks promising as fuck.
>>134918355
Not when you can just crank out another Monogatari series with questionable animation quality that is pretty much just all annoying characters talking at each other and have it be a smash hit or put out a shitty anime like Uta no Prince and make it sell with an event ticket and all original anime that aren't written by somebody like Maeda or Urobuchi bomb without ever being given chance. Just not fucking worth the almost guaranteed money loss when you're better off pumping out some idol show or fanservice light novel series. Anime is not a medium for serious attempts at storytelling or experimentation any more like it was in the 80's to early 2000s, it's pretty much been entirely taken over by otaku centric interests while others have either moved on or are waiting for something interesting to happen probably as a movie since you'd have to be an idiot otaku to spend money collecting a whole TV series
Yuasa is like the only auteur that anime has.
>>134918568
To be fair, I don't really believe Shinbou's that involved in the recent Monogatari seasons either.
>>134918581
You made your post too long and put the bait words at the very beginning. Only the dumbest will bite.
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>>134918278
I'm lightheaded and sick so forgive me, but there was a point that I was trying to make
She is the exception, not the norm, in regards to privileges and freedoms granted for a director to display their talent
All the old guys who are still active right now, like Shinbo, Anno, Kawamori, Tomino, Watanabe, Yuasa, Ikuhara, all got the same opportunities that she was given when they were her age and younger.
There are very few young people who have the opportunities that Yamada does and even then it's due to Kyoani's unique status as a studio which promotes the growth of talent(even if they rarely use it right)
>>134918515
Not baiting. His only work that I found pleasing to watch was Macross. Dandy took him down a few notches for me.
>>134918607
what an ignorant statement
>>134917533
>the series fell apart and didn't have a coherent visual identity
Could you explain why?
>>134918642
duuude what kind of person doesn't like Space Dandy? that show was a dream come true
I wish I could remember names.
I wish I wouldn't only watch moe shit so I actually had any idea about most of these directors.
kill me
>>134918637
I actually agree with you on that. I mean no one is giving out TTGL opportunities anymore for the future Imaishi. But the director of Kekkai Sensen seems to have a strong identity and should be watched more closely.
>>134915395
Replace Miyazaki with Dezaki and Yuuasa with Otomo.
>>134918344
So nothing good? Okay.
>>134918784
isn't matsumoto doing one of those bones shows next year?
maybe I heard wrong, but I believe it was rumored
kekkai was shit but I like her other work
>>134918760
look through your favourite shows and learn their names, see what else they've done, watch those shows, etc.
>Iso Mitsuo will never direct again because of how much Dennou Coil flopped
>>134918681
The color palette went from coherent especially in the prologue and the first few episodes to a grey orange fuckfest around episode 17-23. The viewing angles and the cuts didn't make sense for a lot of the exposition dialogue especially during the episodes when Shirou was talking to Archer. CGI was overdone in the second cour overall.
>>134918846
You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.
>>134918895
>mediocre moeshit
>good
>>134918867
He will never direct again because he was an ass to everyone that worked under him in Dennou Coil because he's a perfectionism autist.
>>134918927
Keion is the best moeshit
>>134918895
dude you don't have to respond to bait
>>134918927
>using the term moeshit
>K-On
>mediocre direction
Keion S2 was better directed than your favorite anime. Please leave.
>it's a Yamada is a great director meme episode
>>134918867
Daily reminder the anime fanbase is shit and has no taste.
>>134918867
No wonder, he treated his staff like shit
God Tier:
Kon, Takahata, Miyazaki
Almost-God Tier:
Oshii
High Tier:
Yuasa, Yamada, Anno, Shinbo, Otomo, Ishihara
Good Tier:
Imaishi, Watanabe, Junishi Sato, Rintaro, Hosoda
Mediocre Tier:
Tomino, Nishimura, Makoto Shinkai
Oh Shit Nigger What Are You Doing:
Aoki
Pretentious Babble Tier:
Ikuhara
>>134918946
Really? Any source on this?
My top five
Takahata, Kon, Yuasa, Miyazaki, Watanabe
Anno would be my sixth.
>>134918992
There is no anime better directed than My Neighbor Totoro.
>>134918867
I doubt that has anything to do with it. He's not animating either, and there's no way anyone expected Dennou Coil to be a big financial success.
>>134919013
God Tier:
Kon, Takahata, Miyazaki
Almost-God Tier:
Ikuhara, Yuasa
High Tier:
Yamada, Anno, Shinbo, Otomo, Ishihara, Hosoda
Good Tier:
Imaishi, Watanabe, Tomino
Mediocre Tier:
Junishi Sato, Rintaro, Nishimura, Makoto Shinkai
Oh Shit Nigger What Are You Doing:
Aoki
Pretentious Babble Tier:
Oshii
>>134919015
Just some nip twitter jibber jabber from 2011 if I recall correctly.
>>134919013
you shut the fuck up about Ikuhara right now
like, say what you will about pretense, but his staging is so unbelievably good that it makes everyone else look superficial
>>134915395
>Tomino
>not top tier
He's incredibly highly regarded for his actual direction tho, especially on the technical side of things.
>>134918895
Now you're just embarrassing yourself.
What's with this meme that Yuasa is somehow bad? He runs circles around most other current directors.
>>134915395
>Japan Media Arts Festival (Agency for Cultural Affairs, The National Art Center)
>*Judges e.g. Oshii, Takahata, Sugii, Rintaro, Ikuhara, etc.
>*Without are short film directors
>1997 Princess Mononoke
Miyazaki
>2000 BLOOD THE LAST VAMPIRE
Kitakubo
>2001 Spirited Away
Miyazaki
>2002 Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called: The Battle of the Warring States
Hara
>2004 Mind Game
Yuasa
>2006 The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
Hosoda
>2007 Summer Days with Coo
Hara
>2009 SUMMER WARS
Hosoda
>2010 The Tatami Galaxy
Yuasa
>2011 Puella Magi Madoka Magica
Shinbo
>2012 Combustible
Otomo
>>134918895
You sounded butthurt.
>>134918895
Nigga, don't respond to retards.
>>134919117
Tomino has no clue how humans interact
>>134919074
>there's no way anyone expected Dennou Coil to be a big financial success
They probably didn't expect a huge financial success but I'm pretty sure they expected something. I don't have that pic but I remember someone posting a pic here with all the anime from 2007 and their respective budget per episode. Dennou Coil had a higher budget than TTGL or even Geass.
That said, I doubt the failure had anything to do with Isao not directing anymore. He seems to have disappeared from the anime scene. Maybe he just retired.
>>134919140
it's just a plen meme everyone respects yuasa
>>134918895
>>134919117
It is my personal opinion. And I personally dislike his way of portraying ideas in his works. Not even criticizing his inexistent quality check but the way he handled the NewType scenes in the original Gundam leaves a lot to be desired especially when compared to more contemporary stuff like the same scenes from Eva.
>>134919178
Quite the contrary, actually. That is why his characters sound so disjointed and random at times.
>>134919086
His work was way better in the 90's.
I..I like Oonuma Shin
>>134919086
Ikuhara has stated that he likes anime with yuri elements because he feels that when a female character is given a male love interest, the relationship between them tends to overwhelm the other elements of the show.
>>134919268
His direction is still great, but I feel like he missed his chance to be a mainstream director.
>>134919181
Yeah, if I remember, it had the second-highest budget ever after SAC, and that's part of why I have a hard time imagining anyone looked at that and said "Yeah, we'll recoup this easily." It's Madhouse, it's a pretty low-key sci-fi mystery, and one of the biggest draws is gorgeous animation but without a ton of action, which doesn't usually sell a lot of BDs. Giving a show like that a break-even point somewhere between 5-10k either means you're an idiot or you're not overly concerned with sales.
>>134919268
yes I agree, doesn't mean his work in the 90s should somehow be ignored
penguindrum and YKA were both compromised in their narrative, and the latter was sloppy af, but his direction is still very good
>>134919295
the man's got good taste what can I say?
I prefer Francis Ford Coppola
>>134919284
I like him too. Holy fuck do I love his pastel scenes. He is fun incarnate.
>>134919356
babby's first patrician director
>>134915395
Somone posting my list, I didn't expect to see that.
>Takahata, Miyazaki, Kon, Oshii, Yuasa, Yamada, Dezaki, the list goes on!
The hallmarks of the tasteless and the uninitiated. It's okay if you're just getting into the medium, but there are some (even here, on a so called ''anime'' board) that actually believe they are cultured or have a snippet of taste because they like these directors, when in actuality they are nothing more than embarrassing cringeworthy copy/paste babbies with no opinion on the medium they claim to love whatsoever.
For an authentic patrician cinephile like myself, it is truly disgusting to watch, and the main reason I, and many others, steer far away from this pit of despair and depravity. You are everything wrong with this board.
>>134919284
>>134919394DIRECTOR ONUMA
>>134919472
Btw my favorite director is Araki and Koujina
>>134919472
>the list goes on
Is this a /tv/ meme? I've seen it a couple times when we veer into /tv/-ish territory.
>>134919472
>cinephile
>>134919472
talk shit post fit
>>134919472
Which Directors do you like, Anon?
>>134919472
Agreed friendo
Can't bother to keep up with these flicks. I only watch patrician kino. Here are my favorites
ABSOLUTE KINOGRAPHY
Чeлoвeк c кинoaппapaтoм (1929, Dziga Vertov)
Cyд нapoдoв or Sud narodov (1947, Yelizaveta Svilova)
Hoвocти дня (1954, Dziga Vertov)
Berlin: Die Sinfonie der Grosstadt (1927, Walter Ruttmann)
Symphonie diagonale (1924, Viking Eggeling)
CINEMA
Mulholland Dr. (2001, David Lynch)
Voskhozhdenie (1977, Larisa Shepitko)
Showgirls (1995, Verhoeven)
The Birth of a Nation (1915, D. W. Griffith)
Eyes Wide Shut (1999, Stanley Kubrick)
FILM
City of God (2003, Fernando Meirelles)
黒い河 (1957, Masaki Kobayashi)
Hostsonaten (1978, Ingmar Bergman)
Dog Star Man: Part I (1962, Stan Brakhage)
A bout de souffle (1960, Jean-Luc Godard
MOVIES
Le voyage dans la lune (1902, Georges Melies)
Yojinbo (1961, Akira Kurosawa
Offret (1986, Andrei Tarkovsky)
Edge of Tomorrow (2014, Doug Liman)
Het Paard van Sinterklaas (2005, Mischa Kamp)
FLICKS
Een hagedis teveel (1960, Verhoeven)
七人の侍 (1954, Akira Kurosawa)
Mean Girls (2004, Mark Waters)
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009, Michael Bay)
The Shawshank Redemption (1994, Frank Darabont)
>>134919472
You must be pretending to be retarded. The majority of people watching anime know only one of the names you have just listed, Miyazaki, let alone any of the other names on the OP list.
>>134919150
>Judges
Holy shit.
>>134919577
top tier list
>>134919472
Contrarian: The Post
>>134919589
They are entry-level pleb shit in the same way Bergman, Godard, Tarkovsky and Fellini are.
>>134919589
>Anno
>>134919577
Please god tell me the differences between those categories.
inb4 it's just a le epic /tv/ meem
>>134919150
The only worthwhile awards are the Mainichi Film Award for Best Animation Film and the Mainichi Noburo Ofuji Award.
>>134919689
obviously it's a meme you dingus
Oshii a god. A GOD
>>134919748
Mamoru Oishii is a hack.
>>134918230
Just because it wasn't as profound as others doesn't mean it sucked. It was a more solemn, light-hearted comedy with some atmospheric mystery.
Still, the point stands. Ueda and ABe made Lain a masterpiece and went on to make others, Nakamura had a great ocasion to work with them but never made anything that even came close.
>>134919785
How so?
>>134919683
No not really and the fact that you think you can make this kind of comparison with film just shows your lack of knowledge of the commercial anime industry generally. You could make a list of a bunch of indepedent animators if you wanted but they are trying to make something completely different more akin to art than entertainment like anime.
>>134919150
I miss Rintaro.
>>134917444
Rie Matsumoto and Naoko Yamada are both extremley promising. They are both much younger than Yuasa and show their creativity. Then there is Eunyoung Choi who hasn't got her own show yet but has had many great episodes and probably will become her own director eventually.
>>134919823
The fact that you are so uptight is proof of you denying the post-ironic new sincerity age of memetic authenticity.
>>134919960
>foreigner
She'll be assassinated as soon as she's tapped to direct.
>>134919823
it always bothers me when someone makes a distinction between "art" and "entertainment" so I'm replying
animation is an art form, therefore all animated things are art whether you consider them good or not
burden of interpretation is on you and you alone
all art is potentially entertainment for someone
art is a definition not a normative term
>>134920023
>is proof of you denying the post-ironic new sincerity age of memetic authenticity.
fuuuuuuuuuuck
>>134919960
with her and Yuasa running their own studio I'm hoping she gets the chance to direct soon
Sup faggots?
>>134919683
Go ahead and try make a substantial list of decent length of commercial anime directors with a significant body of work and distinctive style that are not "entry-level pleb" who should be on that list higher than Takahata, Miyazaki, Kon, Oshii, Yuasa, Yamada and Dezaki.
You won't because you can't.
>>134919823
Art and entertainment are not separate things. It's just that television anime is a very different industry and environment than independent film.
>>134915665
Who draws the bestfemale bodies?
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/17768/animated-animator_expo-character_acting-fabric-hir
>>134920034
I'm not interested in having this argument to be honest. I'm talking about this intentions of the productions not the objective definitions and categorizations. I wouldn't deny that all animation itself is art though. Five minutes of abstract animation is made for artistic purposes and a feature length film featuring dragons, adventure and sorcery is made to entertain.
>>134920108
He only writes. Never directed anything.
>>134920034
The distinction comes from auteurs. Some directors like Tarkovsky have even outright said they don't make films for entertainment. That's a stark difference from something released mainstream where the primary goal of making a film is for entertaining the mass.
>>134919960
Things are disappointing for the freedom that young directors are given, but it's interesting that the few who do get the opportunities are young women
>>134915395
Why are movies and TV anime even being counted as the same thing? They're completely different formats. Also, why bother listing people with one show to judge them by, and if you really want to do that, then where's Kondo?
>>134920189
>>134920228
not really an argument desu, you're denying the autonomy of the work of art
art has nothing to do with intent
>>134920189
Someone can make something for the purpose of entertainment and still have artistic goals in mind, and vice versa. There's no reason to draw a strict distinction.
>>134920274
Because many movie director tend to do series as well.
Yasuhiro Irie is the savior of anime.
>>134920276
Apparently you are unable to read.
>>134920279
Of course they can. It is just plainly obvious that the primary goal of a commercial production is almost always to make money. Where as things made by indepdent animators or often funded by universities, art councils, awards and insitituions of various kind and are made purely for expression not needing to satisfy a production committee that they will get their money back. The director in commercial anime if adventurous will always find themselves being forced backwards and limited by their financiers and being made to keep things enetertaining to the masses. The director in an independent animation can more often than not do whatever they want. The two production models have very different incentives, aims and goals just from the very nature of the industries and scale of the productions.
>>134920273
枕営業
>>134915395
Anno is a better writer than he is a director, also Tsurumaki Kazuya should be in that list, at least in the Good Tier.
>>134919150
Nice list. I wanna watch 2002 Crayon Shin-chan.
>>134920612
Warring States and Adult Empire are the two most recommended I see.
>>134920400
Compare their series to other series, then, and have a list for movies. All of OP's top tier tend heavily toward movies and would not be there if movies weren't being considered. This isn't a coincidence.
>>134920496
Yes, the productions are very different, but there's no reason to strictly label one as "art" and the other as "entertainment". That's an obvious attempt to elevate one over the other in a way that I don't really feel is necessary.
>>134920684
The majority of directors on there have done movies.
>>134920767
I'm not sure what your point is. I'm not saying to remove everyone who directed movies to a different list, if that's what you're getting at, I'm saying to judge their movies in one and their TV in another.
>>134920684
I can do that but it would be leaving Kon in top tier and moving Yamada,Dezaki, Ikuhara and Anno to top tier for TV series.
>>134920509
Trading pussy for power is as old as time, but this is a new development because there sure weren't any notable female directors twenty years ago. It isn't likely that they're sleeping their way to the top, especially when they do in fact stand out among their peers
>>134920716
That is your own inferrence not my implication. The only reason you could see that as an attempt to elevate is if you yourself consider one to be above the other. Or rather even worse if you consider yourself so much more intelligent and perceptive than everyone else you talk to that you think you are the only person that might consider that high and low culture might not be implicity bad or good and thus if anyone else uses a distinction between the two they must be making such implications.
>>134920831
I mean, it's not really that big a deal. It's a reflection of talent no matter the format. You can get as specific as you want but the fact remains they're all directors of the same medium.
>>134920855
You like Paranoia Agent that much?
>>134920900
The top tier would really remain exactly the same besides moving Dezaki up and taking Oshii out for lack of any TV series. Miyazaki and Takahata have made some of the best TV series ever by far.
>>134920957
Precisely my point, like I don't see the need to make a distinction like this anon is saying.
>>134920914
I mean it is the only reason I still have hope for Hirao. I think that Paranoia Agent coupled with Keion S2 are the epitome of TV anime direction.
>>134920856
Who are some notable female directors besides Yamamoto Sayo and Matsumoto Rie?
>>134921043
Shibuichi Setsuko
>>134921043
Naoko Yamada, Mitsue Yamazaki could become one worked with Ikuhara in the past got her first director gig on Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-Kun, Eunyoung Choi is definitely notable definitely despite not actually have directed any of her own shows on the overall.
>>134920882
I'm just saying that strict dichotomies need not be drawn. I don't think they are really helpful in any way and imply quality judgements that do not exist. Don't try to suggest that labeling one work "art" and another "entertainment" isn't an implied quality judgement. Even if you aren't personally suggesting that, the connotation is clear.
There is value in defining how a production takes place though, I agree on that front. I just think terms like "commercially driven" and "auteur driven" are both more accurate and less rhetorically suggestive as terms.
>>134921031
I can't help but see PA as a mess of cool ideas that don't really amount to anything bigger
felt very weak in comparison to some of his films
strong beginning and ending, but the middle was just "stuff"
I can easily agree with K-On! but I think there is a plurality of top tier TV out there
>>134920957
> Oshii out for lack of any TV series
But he's done several.
>Miyazaki and Takahata have made some of the best TV series ever by far.
Are you seriously telling me that Gauche the Cellist is one of your favorite anime?
>>134921172
The story was not a factor in Paranoia Agent. The execution and the angles that the show was taken from, the transitions and even the color palette made it really high up there in quality in my opinion.
>>134921157
auteur just means the directors personal style shows through, like there are plenty of commercial products with a distinctive style reflective of their creator
I'm just talking semantics though don't mind me, I agree with what you're saying
>>134921157
Those kinds of phrases are just euphamisms. The aim of something commercially driven is to entertain primarily in order to draw crowds in order to make money. The aim of something aueteur driven is primarily to express the arists creativity. One is made for art and the other is made for entertainment. They may not strictly be one or the other at all times but those are defining characteristics.
>>134921105
>>134921110
Thanks, haven't heard of any of those besides Eunyoung Choi. They don't really work on the types of shows I watch.
I was interested though because actually lots of my favorite manga are made by women, I always wondered why there are so few of them among directors.
>>134921214
He has worked as episode director on many TV shows sure but not as director. He was director on UY for part of the show that is it. Not really several.
>>134915665
>>134915395
Has anyone made one of those for character designers?
>>134921240
narrative is just as much a part of direction as framing and whatever else, though I'll admit maybe I'm too hung up on that to notice where the show succeeds
>>134921246
Fair enough. The reality of the matter, especially with anime, is that pretty much all productions land somewhere in the middle, as they certainly care about how much money is being made, but there are still large allowances for people's personal style in many cases.
I think that's probably one of the reasons I find it interesting, but that's just personal.
>>134921331
Best character designers:
Yoshihiko Umakoshi
Yoh Yoshinari
Kenichi Yoshida
Sushio
Atsushi Nishigori
Ryo-chimo
>>134920525
>Anno is a better writer than he is a director
No he's not.
>>134919516
It's /mu/ bullshit
>>134921351
Independent anime is a whole different ball game though, that isn't about money at all. Not even slightly. I agree on commercial anime though, it is a game of push and pull between creators and suits, one trying to make the project profitable, the other trying to express creative vision.
>>134921043
Ishizuka
>>134921278
The term "art" in particular is both rhetorically charged and incredibly poorly defined as a term. Personally, I consider all creative works art, regardless of whether profit or practical motives were involved in its creation. You might have a different definition, but the point stands that it's a bad term to use when trying to classify how something is produced because of how inconsistent its definition is.
>>134921331
Not that I know of. But my top tier would be Akio Watanabe, Yukiko Horiguchi and the guy that did LWA and Macross Plus too.
>>134921382
I like Umetsu's designs.
>>134921476
You can't even see past the term art you find it so loaded and are projecting it as an objective judgement onto me. I am talking about the intentions of the productions not objectively definining things as art or not art. Something made to be entertaining can be just as much art as something made as pure expression without money in mind.
>>134919213
fuck off you retarded /tv/fag
>>134921425
>isn't about money at all
that's not really true anon, at least not universally
>>134921547
no, he's right in that the word "art" often carries judgement with it
like you guys are literally saying the same thing but are just arguing words, it's pretty stupid
can't we all just hold hands and jack each other off nicely
>>134921658
Which independent animations can you think of that were made to be moneymakers? Maybe Cencoroll? That was enough like commercial animation. The majority of time it is correct though. Most independent stuff is made more for installations in art galleries than to get millions to see it in the theatre.
>>134921771
it's not about being a blockbuster, but many independent films are commissioned or otherwise funded somehow
like to say that all independent projects are purely creative entities without money having an influence on their creation is wrong
>>134921892
Sure to say it is purely that all the time is wrong. You get indepedent animators working on commercials like Koji Yamamura has done for example or indepedent animators working to a brief like Atushi Wada has done. But it can be said that much more so in than in the commercial anime sphere these animators are being selected because of their specific artist stylings and are given much more freedom as a result. It obviously isn't a black and white thing but in terms of making a broad generalization you can say that and be fairly truthful most of the time. To be more accurate though you would say it is a spectrum where indepedent works would tend to be the ones grouped around the artistic expression motive with outliers towards the commercial and commercial large scale works would tend to be grouped towards commercial motives with outliers towards the artistic.
>>134922351
oh sure, I'm only disagreeing with that original point
>Anno
>good
>>134922839
>anno
>bad
Was more looking for a full list, but it's also interesting to see what other people like.
>>134921382
>Yoshihiko Umakoshi
Casshern Sins had amazing designs? Did he make anything a bit more unique like that? I mainly know him for his adapted designs besides Casshern.
>Yoh Yoshinari
Always liked his as an animator and I had no idea he also made character designs for Panty and LWA, awesome.
>Kenichi Yoshida
Never watched Eureka Seven. Heard it's great to watch when you're new to anime but after you've seen a couple hundred shows you won't be that impressed.
>Sushio
Would really like to see more of his stuff. Kill la Kill had great designs.
>Atsushi Nishigori
So which did he make and which did Yoh make for panty and stocking?
>Ryo-chimo
Liked those less then the ones you mentioned but still good.
>>134921498
>Akio Watanabe
For which ones?
>Yukiko Horiguchi
I see he also made mainly adapted designs.
I mentioned mine here:
>>134916400
But on a second thought I'd only pick Ito and Take. Amano, Sadamoto and Abe have a bit too detailed art that doesn't really work that well with animation imo. They could work with some kind of detailed, colored manga or a high-budget film very well though (some of them have)
>>134922839
>>134920525
Name one anime director who's got better has better use of shot composition in his works.
>>134924456
Ikuhara with Utena, but I'm not those guys. Anno's excellent.
>>134924375
>Umakoshi
The designs for Heartcatch Precure are also great, and I really like his designs for Ojamajo Doremi.
>>134924375
>>134924600
>Never watched Eureka Seven. Heard it's great to watch when you're new to anime but after you've seen a couple hundred shows you won't be that impressed.
Also just to add to that, I never watched Eureka Seven until last year and I have been watching anime since the early 2000s and have probably seen nearing the 1000s in terms of shows, I wont say it is one of the best shows ever but it is really solid, highwatchable, has actual character developments and is defeinitely entertaining. I managed to get through it in about three or four days and it is a 50 episode show, one of those where you finish one episode and want to see the next I found.
