Rebuild 3.33 is the worst thing to come out of the Evangelion franchise and anyone who likes it is an idiot.
It so severely rapes and trivializes the characters the story has built that the only emotion it should evoke from a sane, healthy human being is disgust and discomfort. Even those who were pandered to in 3.0 has had their entire fandom exposed as shallow wish-fulfillment, through rejecting every solid quality the characters and story once stood for while not building any of it's own.
The barren landscape of 3.0 is also reflected in it's story, characters and plot: an empty, dead void filled only with intense destruction and hatred for what Evangelion is, 3.0 was the desire to rather destroy Evangelion and it's cast than to see it continue in a respectful manner.
To not understand this is to be an idiot. To not acknowledge it is one of two things, to truly hate what Evangelion is or to turn a blind eye to the destruction in favor of pandering.
>>134756731
It's bad because the plot makes no sense, not because "hurdur dey made Rei even more of a pointless robot".
>>134756784
Those two are one and the same.
To make Rei into a pointless robot, the plot cannot make any sense. It must be violated to make it happen, much in the same way the plot must be violated to make other characters into more fashionable or attractive characters.
Everyone can tell the plot is bad, unless they are pretending otherwise or are just dumb. For the rest of us, who can tell it's bad, what separates us is the ability to tell why it's bad.
>tfw not an idiot
Disappointed that there are people who actually liked this trainwreck
>>134756909
The only reason you feel like characters had layers of depth missing is because you have a 26 episode series to draw from. You're obviously going to lose character depth in 1hr30min film. IN that regard you're straight up asking for the impossible.
And no, your waifu being pressed down does not have direct barring on the plot. The story as in just doesn't making any fucking sense. It's that simple.
>>134756731
The only good thing about it is the high quality Asuka art it caused to be produced, which is surprising considering how irrelevant and minimal her screentime was.
And the music.
>>134756784
It's bad because the plot makes no sense and all the characters are total shit. Characters are VERY important in Eva. More-so than the generic sci fi mecha story to most fans.
3.33 has NO development and sidelines every fucking person besides Shinji. Even Kaworu is totally a non-character in it despite being on the poster.
>>134757672
>The only reason you feel like characters had layers of depth missing is because you have a 26 episode series to draw from. You're obviously going to lose character depth in 1hr30min film. IN that regard you're straight up asking for the impossible.
I don't disagree with the sentiment at all, but even for a 1hr30min film, or rather flick, we're lacking depth. Not only that, this isn't "one" movie, it's a continuation of two other movies. So there was depth and foundation to work with. Throwing away that foundation and providing less than any of the two other movies is just as devastating as I suggest it is.
>And no, your waifu being pressed down does not have direct barring on the plot. The story as in just doesn't making any fucking sense. It's that simple.
No need to be snide. I'll just repost this:
>To make Rei into a pointless robot, the plot cannot make any sense. It must be violated to make it happen, much in the same way the plot must be violated to make other characters into more fashionable or attractive characters.
and I want you to address that.
>>134757753
It's designed to do just that though.
>>134757672
Dont skirt around the issue. The shitty plot is tied directly to them pressing down Rei among other things. The plot isnt bad "just because", it has several reasons. Dont dumb it down.
>>134756731
N I C E O P I N I O N
>>134757932
T H A N K S
>>134757932
Idiot detected.
>mad reifags pouting
>it doesn't make sense to me so it's bad writing
Every thread
>>134757993
>butthurt waifufag being called out
>can't deal so he posts greentext
Every thread
>>134757993
Theres an obvious Asukafag here who dislikes it so no.
That you resort to shitposting instead of talking about the movie just shows uour opinion is otaku filth.
>>134757993
What the fuck are you talking about? People LIKED this film? I don't even like Rei and thought it was shit.
I imagine fujoshi did considering the pandering I guess.
Following on from 2.22 which was bad fanfic tier, all in order to lead up to a punchline where Anno could rip off something from Ultraman, what did anyone expect?
>>134757785
Explain how Rei's level of depth makes or breaks 3.33.
>>134756731
Why do you rewatch the same movie 3.33 times?
>>134757785
I guess. Asuka always had a lot of drawfags. 2.22 cast her aside pretty fast for Marifaggotry but 3.33 reduced it even further and she still got a lot of art. Guess it's the cute outfits.
>>134758086
2.22 is one of the best anime movies period.
>>134758086
2.22 wasn't bad at all, so I expected 3.0 to not be the shitpile it was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwBs3VsNfdY
>>134756731
>trivializes
>in the series Kaworu only appeared in 1 episode
>now he gets a whole movie plus foreshadowing scenes in the other 2 movies
>trivializes
>>134758284
Do you see the correlation? NGE good, Rebuild bad?
More Kaworu bad, less Kaworu good?
>2.22
>better than 3.33
God forbid an entirely new scenario we've never seen before rather than otaku, commercial bullshit.
>>134756731
>>134758105
I had hoped that you'd address my previous post, but oh well: you've misconstrued what I've said. Rather than Rei's depth making or breaking 3.33, the particular plot found in 3.0 exists to negate Rei's depth among other things. Now, I said we could both recognize that 3.33 had a poor plot. But you want to leave it at that, not understanding why the plot is so bad, which makes you no better than the idiots who like it.
Hence we get to why 3.33's plot sucks. 2.22 leaves it at a point where the depth of all characters including Rei's is steadily building. Just like the original, it's ready for more with two more movies AKA double the screentime left.
However 3.33 ended up skipping all of that and rather focused on dehumanizing and trivializing Rei, which wouldn't logically connect with the previous movie. In order to do that, they needed an excuse, which became the timeskip, which became every plot device you can inject into 3.0. It would take just that much to wreck the depth of Rei.
Even the treatment of Shinji and the horrendous characterization of WILLE can actually be sourced directly to the desire to negate Rei, which comes through punishing Shinji for having attempted to save her, a crime in otaku and waifu-land.
The plot ends up sucking because it is wholly focused on pandering to otaku and building a plot for them rather than building a story for it's own sake, to carry a story.
>>134758378
3.33 is more otaku/commercial bullshit than 2.22, and 3.33 isn't even new either, unless you're counting how bad it was.
>>134758284
And yet he's even more paper thin in rebuild. I thought they'd flesh him out more or something. The film is about Shinji's angst crisis. Kaworu just kind of exists and gives exposition.
>>134758284
To enhance Kaworu like Rebuild did, they needed to sacrifice Evangelion wholesale. All of 3.0's destruction happened in 3.0, all of it's wrecked characters and destroyed landscaped was created by 3.0.
This guy >>134758579
has some understanding but neglects to acknowledge that Kaworu exists for the sake of boosting his own popularity, to satiate Kaworu fans as well as a counter-weight for characters like Rei.
The point was never to give Kaworu more fleshing out through more screentime, Kaworu was used to displace other characters as well as to make himself look more important, while not being a better character than the original despite being given more screentime.
>>134758525
> 2.22 leaves it at a point where the depth of all characters including Rei's is steadily building. Just like the original, it's ready for more with two more movies AKA double the screentime left.
>However 3.33 ended up skipping all of that and rather focused on dehumanizing and trivializing Rei, which wouldn't logically connect with the previous movie. In order to do that, they needed an excuse, which became the timeskip, which became every plot device you can inject into 3.0. It would take just that much to wreck the depth of Rei.
This, so much this, I dont give a shit about ur waifus, but I do give a shit when they fuck the char depth like a whole. They made sure to build charc on 1 and 2 and just said: Screw all that on 3. I keep wondering why....
>>134758378
They made a whole new imouto character for no reason but otaku. They gave Asuka cat ears for otaku. They made yuri pandering for otaku. Somehow Asuka and Mari are still young and cute for otaku. Asuka is still hot and bothered about Shinji to fuel otaku doujin. They made more Rei service for otaku.
This is not even getting into isolating Shinji completely for the perfect fujoshi doujin fuel. 3.33 is the same shit but with even flatter characters.
>>134758687
>I keep wondering why
Did you really?
Because it should only take five minutes to figure out why. Ask yourself, why would you do this? Who would do this? Who gains something by this?
>>134758762Seeing this capped reminds me I forgot to mention how it shat over Misato
It's funny how everything bad about how Rebuild turned out can be traced down to waifufaggotry among the writers. Anno could not accept Rei's massive popularity over his own and people like Tsurumaki is no different. Even if you're a huge Asukafag and you're unhappy with Neo-Asuka, you know damned well it's because of Anno's attempt to make Asuka look better through forgetting the original exists. Remove flaws, remove depth, add pandering, that'll patch his insecurity right up.
>>134758579
Kaworu in NGE only had the same roles, though.
>Kaworu
>Giving exposition
>>134758852
>why would you do this?
Keep thinking but... nothing comes in mind other than "I did X plot, and I want to make it works NO MATTER WHAT"
>>134756731
>>134756731
eva was never deep no matter what the average pseudo-intellectual evafag spouts.
>>134758338
NGE was very trainwreck-y to be fair.
>>134756731
We've had this thread at least a thousand times by now, you fucking Evafags.
>>134759329
>>134759321
Go back to your /cm/ thread, Kaworufag
>>134759369
But I'm not.
>>134759247
You're not asking yourself the right question or looking at the right situation.
There's something that becomes before "I did X plot". Why he/she did X plot. Just see >>134759022
because that's the answer right there.
>>134759332
and we'll have it a thousand more times until it sticks
>>134756731
>Rebuild 3.33 is the worst thing to come out of the Evangelion franchise and anyone who likes it is an idiot.
I dont give a fuck about your opinion. The movie is bad you dont have to make an essay about it
>>134759662
Are essays really that short in the american school system?
>>134756731
The only good thing about NGE is episode 25-26 desu.
>>134759421
Popularity then?
"I want the people to like X char better than Y?"
I really hope im wrong in this one, because thats the shittiest reason I´ve seem.
>O hey im going to fuck my own show because people are not behaving exactly as I want.
>>134758378
I hope your family dies in a car accident.
>>134759823
You're not wrong, that's the entire reason really. The more you think about it, it's the only thing 3.33 accomplishes at all. By the end of the movie, the change in popularity is the only thing it has produced.
It is also the only thing Anno has ever said about 3.33, a comment regarding popularity, that his favorite character is getting more popular.
>>134759982
I really hope you are wrong and they did this because of money, so I can, at least, call then greedy motherfuckers and not ultra autists of hell.
>>134758513
This is what pissed me off most about 3.0, the mechanical designs. Who thought this shit or that retarded Eva-00 knockout without a head looks good needs to get fired.
>>134760111
Hideaki Anno is on record calling himself autistic.
>>134760195
BUT ANON, FOR GODS SAKE.
They didn't think it looked cool, they knew a headless, weakling EVA would be seen as just that, a retarded EVA. That's why they also associated it with Rei, because they want to depopularize Rei.
>>134760311
>mfw
>>134760111
Search your feelings
>>134760111
It wouldn't be much of a surprise by this point as it seems to be a rising trend to ruin series over waifushit
>>134760195
It's a problem when the closest to looking cool in a movie are headless red mutants just standing around.
>>134756731
It's not that bad if you look solely at this single movie, it has good animation, atmosphere, effects and stuff. It's just average.
But as a sequel to rebuilds and continuation of franchise it really is shit. It abandoned everything what was good about Evangelion, shat on plot, made characters shallow and weird, turned Asuka into even more abusive bitch and stripped Rei from all the humanity she earned trough series.
1.11 and 2.22 are still pretty great, even if they aren't as deep as NGE.
>>134761954
it's shit
SHIT
>>134759948
That's harshbut you're right
Every anime ever is just as shit
Stop being elitist about moving drawings for bottom of the barrel of society degenerates.
>>134763586
What animation is not from the bottom of the barrel of society?
Rebuild is ok.
>>134763753
Rebuild is shit and so are you
>>134756731
Actually, it aged better than the other rebuilds.
Go watch it again.
>>134764761
Actually, you're full of shit and Rebuild 3.33 aged like milk.
>>134764761
Still as dumb as it was three years ago m8. The other two will always be entertaining and positive as far as making EVA goes. Rebuild 3.33 will always be that shitty one nobody but dumb fanboys like.
Just try arguing otherwise if you want to get shit on.
>>134763586
Some are shittier than others, and the shittiest is 3.0
>>134761954
>It's not that bad if you look solely at this single movie
It's pretty damn bad if you look solely at this single movie.
![Revenge of the Sith.mp4_snapshot_01.59.58_[2013.05.04_13.29.15].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5yzLnTX.jpg "Revenge of the Sith.mp4_snapshot_01.59.58_[2013.05.04_13.29.15].jpg")
>mfw 3.33
YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE
IT WAS SAID YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DESTROY THE PANDERING NOT JOIN IT
BRING BALANCE TO EVANGELION, NOT LEAVE IT IN DARKNESS
>>134764924
>Still as dumb as it was three years ago m8.
W-what...? Rebuild happened 3 years ago? Dayum.
>>134766866
Yep, three years. Three years of absolute suckage.
>>134759265
see thats pretty cool
but the execution is so ass
what the fuck went wrong
>>134759265
>>134768424
Kidding me? That was the most retarded post ITT.
>>134756731
When watching the rebuilds, I actually checked twice I hadn't opened another anime instead of Evangelion when I got to 3.33
>watching 2.22 and 3.33 back to back
>>134756731
Oh my fucking god, I come back to /a/ after 7 months and there are still faggots like this saying "huurrr if you like eva 3.0 youre not a true evafan Dx"
shut the fuck up you retarded sack of worthless shit
>>134769668
Looks like some 3.33-tard got triggered. How's it feel to have shit taste, you worthless piece of shit?
But in all fairness it's right. If you actually liked 3.33, then you're an idiot.
>>134764823
No it didn't. 3.0 looks 5x better than the last two Rebuilds and on par with currently airing high budget shows. Fucking idiot.
>>134769751
3.0 looks like absolute garbage with it's shitty 3DCG all over the place and horrendous character designs. Fuck those chins.
Did you see how bad the wunder looked? The ships? Absolutely appalling.
3.0 looks worse than the previous two rebuilds and worse than movies from fucking 2001.
>>134769751
>the only merit a movie has is it's 3dcg
wow not only are you wrong because 3.0 looks really bad and has numerous animation glitches here and there, but it's 3DCGI shitfest with the WILLE fleet was inexcusably bad.
>>134769726
It's not even about me liking or not liking 3.0 or any of the Rebuilds, it's about you having the audacity to go on here and say stupid bullshit like if you like 3.0, you're an idiot. That's it. You like something, you're an idiot.
Fuck off with your ignorant and asinine opinion. I can like whatever the fuck I want and I don't need some pretentious shitlord who thinks of himself as the supreme and true Evafan telling people they're idiots for liking Eva 3.0
Don't you have some Star Was movie to boycott?
>>134769576
I feel ya. This shit isn't Evangelion, it's like a doujin nightmare. I can't believe there's idiots who actually think the movie is anything but trash.
>b-but it had music
I bet if we set some music to their parents getting raped and killed they'd think it was cool as well.
>>134769934
You can like whatever you want for sure anon, it's just that liking some things make you an idiot. Liking 3.0 is the equivalent to admitting that "yes, I am a moron that can't put two and two together".
Because if you could, you wouldn't like 3.0. It's that easy. Doesn't even have anything to do with being a "true eva fan" or not, it's just that you're an idiot.
So calm your tits, sit down and instead of throwing a temper tantrum, actually sit down and think about why the movie is as bad. Plenty of discussion ITT about it. Don't you have some angry blogs to write about how they included black people in star wars and now it's ruined or something? No? Yes? I don't care.
3.0 was ass, and you're an idiot if you liked it. The movie is bad, it's message is atrocious and it's impact on Rebuild and the franchise has been wholly negative except for sating - you guessed it - idiots.
It's a movie whose story, plot and characters are of the lowest quality you can expect for a movie with "limitless budget" according to it's creator.
Calling things like they are isn't being pretentious anon.
>>134757672
>You're obviously going to lose character depth in 1hr30min film.
3 films.
>>134770162
>it's just that liking some things make you an idiot.
You're logic is a bit off here. You aren't an idiot for liking a movie, but liking a movie might be evidence that you are an idiot.
>>134769934
>wow someone had the AUDACITY to express an OPINION and WORD IT WELL
>I AM NOW A FAT LANDWHALE TUMLBRINA TRIGGERED BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE CALLED ME OUT FOR THE IDIOT I AM
>>134770310
Much like there can be strong evidence and weak evidence, in this case the evidence is strong enough to make a very sure claim that the person who likes 3.0 is indeed, an idiot.
>>134770162
Liking an anime or a movie or whatever, isn't like trying to solve a math equation. There is no right or wrong.
Yeah, I know there are flaws with the movie. The biggest being that it derails the entire story arc of the previous two films. Did I care enough that it made me hate the movie? No. Why? Because I took the experience from a different perspective. Why? Because everyone is different. I liked all the new plot elements introduced in the movie. Why? Because it was new, and I wanted more new Eva related stuff, especially when it's incorporated into the core series. 3.0 felt like a new Eva episode, a pseduo-2nd season.
Yes, believe it or not, there are people who like that type of stuff, especially if Eva is their favorite anime series. Does fancy slick new looking action scenes, pretty colors, and new Eva story scenarios appeal to a casual type of consumer want?
Yes, it does. Is there anything inherently wrong with that. No. I liked it, other people liked it, some didn't, some hated it. Can you call it shit? Sure. Calling other people idiots for liking it?
Yeah, about that...
>>134770310
Seems solid to me.
If you arent disgusted by how deeply unserious the movie was, or how much substance it lacked, but like it for the shallow service it provides, then you are admitting to favor cheap gratification over more meaningful elements.
You are then a simpleton, or in other words an idiot like OP suggested.
>>134758207
>>134758228
>rebuildfags
Yes, a movie that does the exact same thing an anime did in 1995, but actually doing it worse than the original series is THE BEST THING EVER.
>>134770603
>Liking an anime or a movie or whatever, isn't like trying to solve a math equation. There is no right or wrong.
There is, more than you think anyway, but that's besides the point. You can like it or dislike it, but liking 3.0 makes you an idiot. If you feel that means you made a "wrong" decision (because you don't' want to be an idiot) that's another matter.
>No. Why? Because I took the experience from a different perspective. Why? Because everyone is different.
What perspective is this? What does people being different have to do with that? What perspective can you adopt that allows you to ignore the reality of the movie, and why isn't it entirely equatable with delusion and yes, idiocy?
You can say you like it all you want, but all you can muster up are shallow reasons that indeed, make you into a fucking idiot. An idiot that deserves to be told he's an idiot.
There is something inherently wrong with you believing you actually have a "safe-space" and can't be named an idiot for your actions. Parents who don't vaccinate their children because they "have a different perspective" just to have said child die or suffer life-long consequences are in fact, idiots not just people who "can do no right or wrong".
In liking 3.0, you're choosing to be ignorant, you're choosing to be stupid. The reasons for that are all over this thread and probably every sane critique of the movie you've seen a thousand times before.
>>134770891
They can be construed as good because they did some new things in a fairly believable and respectable manner. It's difficult to change something while also remaining on point, and that has merit for 2.22 and 1.11.
Not a Rebuildfag by the way.
>>134770603
You're seriously arguing you're not an idiot for "liking 3.33 because pretty colors and action scenes", while letting the obvious and inescapable fact that Rebuild is raping the story and making a messy nonsensical plot that undermines every single character and development the movie series have made, just fly right by.
How does that NOT make you an idiot? If you're going to endlessly swallow shitty spinoffs, shitty stories, just to sate your glutton for "more evangelion", then yes you actually are an idiot. This turd of a movie called 3.33 doesn't even appeal to casuals, casuals are confused and alienated, even disgusted leaving only idiots (who like pretty colors) and absolute autists such as fujoshi and waifu otaku.
If you like 3.0, it's just because you haven't really accepted it for what it is yet. You can't pretend it's "just more EVA" and not try to understand it crtically, you were born with a brain so use it.
>>134771253
>You're seriously arguing you're not an idiot for "liking 3.33 because pretty colors and action scenes"
I'm just gonna stop you right there.
Wow! What anime these days doesn't depend on pretty colors and action scenes?! Fuck anime then am I right? After all, 90% of anime that has come out since 3.0 is, well, worse or just as shit (by your standards) as 3.0!
You're failing to realize that anime is a hobby, and you fail to acknowledge or realize the components of that hobby. Are you seriously going to go on /a/ and tell the /a/nons who spend hours watching 20 episodes of anime a day, that they are idiots for....liking it? Liking those series?
>>134771586
If they mindlessly consume it, then yes.
>>134771586
Real world calling anon
Real world calling anon
Someone who spends their weeks watching 20 anime episodes a day, entirely without thought is an idiot. A singleminded simpleton likely wasting his or her life.
Anime isnt all anime, just like all books arent all books.
Im not naming any other series, only 3.0. Liking 3.0 does make you an idiot for the reasons mentioned earlier.
>>134756731
How did Anno go from one of the best animated films of this decade to the utter shit that is 3.33?
>>134771957
He is retarded and let his otaku ways het the best of him.
At least the ED was good.
>>134771957
You mean from the hands down worst and most unfaithful product to come out of Eva, 2.22, which pandered to Reifags because of executive meddling, to 3.33, which put the Rebuilds back into position to retell the story of NGE. Everyone who hates 3.33 just won't accept that miscommunication and human failure are some of the most important core themes of Evangelion as a series, and that 3.33 conveys that better than the original series ever did.
There is an extremist faction of fans who are so disgusted by the fact that Rei didn't get her happy ending after 2.22 that they despise everything about 3.33, insisting foolishly that even the incredible animation, art direction, and god tier soundtrack are somehow the worst in the series or even worse than 99% of anime out of petty hatred. They don't care about looking at the movie from an objective standpoint, they have decided to wage a religious jihad against 3.33 and Anno himself as if they are Muslims offended that someone criticized their religion. You are probably one of those people, looking for comfort by finding similar viewpoints on /a/ because, yes, this is a place where similarly desperate Reifags converge and masturbate to a character that they impose their own ideals on without accepting her flaws and weaknesses as well. The funny thing is that, if Rei ever met any of these people, she would see their fake perceptions of her, and reject them for the same reason she rejected Gendo over Shinji.
>>134773009
2.22 is an objectively good movie, 3.33 is an objectively shit movie. That's why 3.33 is so hated. Not everyone wants anno to try and recreate NGE, rebuild is supposed to be different. People loved 2.22 for good reason.
>>134773009
>Everyone who hates 3.33 just won't accept that miscommunication and human failure are some of the most important core themes of Evangelion as a series
Miscommunication was a theme in NGE, but it wasn't executed like it is in 3.33. In NGE, miscommunication occurs due to character genuinely attempting to communicate and failing, or because they didn't want to communicate in the first place. In 3.33, the miscommunication occurs because the characters are at worst being idiots or at best putting their massive, 20 year long project in jeopardy to get petty revenge over something that was only questionably the fault of the person in question. That's why people don't like 3.33, it's an idiot plot.
>>134773251
2.22 is a generic supermecha film that neither brings anything worthwhile to the series nor innovates in the realm of traditional action movies. While the plot of 2.22 is much more appealing to a wider audience than that of NGE or 3.33, that does not necessarily make it a superior film. Its greatest strengths are its soundtrack and art direction, animation quality, etc. which are strong across all three Rebuilds as you would expect from the master. Unfortunately, 2.22 does not remain faithful to the themes of the original series, and suggests that it is okay for Shinji to run away from his anxieties (both social and mortal) because he receives no punishment despite abandoning his friends in their time of need just because he came back to fight Zeruel. This is disingenuous to the themes of the series, as well as to Rebuild's themes overall.
>>134773502
I don't see what makes 3.33 different in that regard. Asuka genuinely tries to communicate with Shinji multiple times over the course of the film, as Kaworu tries to communicate with Shinji and Shinji tries to communicate with Rei Q, all with varying degrees of failure. Simultaneously, Misato and the others clearly don't want to communicate with Shinji how they really feel - even though when it comes to it, Misato can't bring herself to kill Shinji, and Asuka drags him out of the ejected plug at the end instead of abandoning him, which is all the proof you need that neither of them really blame him for what happened regardless of what they might claim.
It seems unfair to argue that all the miscommunications that occur in 3.33 are just due to stupidity on the part of the characters, since it's not as if Asuka and Shinji's total failure to communicate in the original series was particularly intelligent, either. It's not about their plans or if what they're saying is smart or not, it's about these characters' insecurities and anxieties preventing them from saying the things that need to be said for positive growth of relationships between them. It goes without saying that there's enough neuroticism going around in 3.33 for entirely valid reasons - like the world being almost completely destroyed for reasons that just about everyone is at least partially guilty of - to justify all of the failures to communicate.
>It so severely rapes and trivializes the characters the story has built that the only emotion it should evoke from a sane, healthy human being is disgust and discomfort.
2.0 did that too. Only difference was that 3.0 kept you interested
>>134773572
I think it's better that 2.22 steps away from the original series. If I wanted to see the original I would just watch NGE.
>>134774034
>3.0 kept you interested
>>134774081
>Gay piano scenes
>God tier ost
>Bunch of random bullshit and inconsistent story
Better than than just episodes 7-19 of NGE with added fanfiction and butchering actual plot points
>>134773921
>Asuka genuinely tries to communicate with Shinji multiple times over the course of the film
No, she doesn't. She's being a horribly mean spirited bitch to him.
>Kaworu tries to communicate with Shinji
The only time this communication fails is at the end, when Shinji ignores Kaworu's obvious distress even though it's incredibly out of character for him to do so.
>Simultaneously, Misato and the others clearly don't want to communicate with Shinji how they really feel
Not communicating how they feel is understandable but not communicating the most essential basics of the situation is simply stupid, no matter how you put it.
>since it's not as if Asuka and Shinji's total failure to communicate in the original series was particularly intelligent, either
How so? The reason they don't communicate well is because they're emotionally stunted children in a horrible situation. Makes enough sense to me.
To address you last point, yes, character actions should inform character psychology and the characters themselves. But the story also needs to make sense on a level of actual plot and that's where 3.0 fails the most. It does not make sense for someone like Misato to deliberately sabotage her own mission by making a highly valuable and dangerous asset into a flight risk by failing to explain the basics of the situation and being openly contemptuous to him. Like seriously, take the scene where Asuka breaks a few inches of plexiglas with her bare fists. Why was she allowed into the room in the first place? Is it standard procedure in the military to let angry people threaten prisoners who's mental anguish may lead to everyone's death? Does that make sense at all?
>>134759982
Anno also seems to only view Rei as a static symbol for infantilism/the desire to return to the mother, and is thus the 'wrong choice' for Shinji as a love interest. Similarly, he also seems to view Asuka as her symbolic antithesis, representing reality/the hardships of maintaining a relationship with a 'real' woman.
All of which would be somewhat feasible if they did not waste so much time and effort in attempting to develop Rei into a fully rounded character with an arc (which she was in the TV show at least). And conversely, Asuka's ostensible role as a representation of a 'real' girl is somewhat undermined by her near-perpetual cuntiness and plethora of undiagnosed mental disorders.
Once again, it was never Anno's fault (it never is!), it was them dang dirty immature otakus who simply could not comprehend his 'grand design'.
>>134776011
Rei and Asuka are definitely symbolically antithetical. Everything from their actions to their character design is specifically crafted to this end, in NGE even more so than the Rebuilds. Rebuild creates more symbolic links between the two than NGE ever does.
>>134758525
>2.22 leaves it at a point where the depth of all characters including Rei's is steadily building.
No, it doesn't.
MUH POKA POKA isn't "character depth." It's just filthy neckbeard pandering.
>>134773009
This, people who didn't get 3.33 never got the point of Evangelion and why 2.22 was thematically AGAINST the franchise itself.
I think the show did the theme better, however 3.33 was faithful to its message while 2.22 wasn't.
>>134756731
Don't worry, Anon, I don't mind being an idiot if it means I can have more fun watching it than /a/ apparently had.
I'm just worried the next movie might retroactively ruin this one for me.
>>134776011
This is incorrect: Anno has never praised Asuka's relationship with Shinji, in fact, he is in agreement that their relationship is "kimochi warui" (gross). They may survive together, but they aren't together romantically and never will be for simply clashing personalities. Shinji might be attracted to Asuka, and Asuka to Shinji, but this attraction is mostly a form of validation and sexual comfort than actual romantic feelings. They are using each other without any love.
He never meant them to be a couple.
>>134772661
Too bad Shinji didn't find love in the end.
>>134758378
>He thinks 3.33 isn't worse otaku, commercial bullshit
>>134756731
I'm only wondering what makes you mad enough to write such a wall of text to bait people?
>>134766866
Remember the shitstorm when 3.0 hit theaters in Japan and then the booklet that they gave to people who saw it got posted and shit went absolutely crazy?
>>134774223
Only the OST is good in those things
People who actually enjoyed 2.0 absolutely deserve what 3.0 ended up being
It was made for you lot in mind!
>>134776431
If they had actually continued in a logical progression, MUH POKA POKA could just have been the start for the development of Rei in a different and more complete way for the next two movies
But then they just literally and physically remove all that so fuck it.
Are some of you guys really this willing to swallow Anno's jizz and think he did nothing wrong?
>>134777995
By being even worse otaku pandering with an incomprehensible plot?
>>134778076
How is 3.0 being more otaku pandering than NGE? NGE has even more swimsuits, nudity, the girls naked flashes lin a screen Shinji watched, heat expansions, confirmed gay sleeping and bathing together, rape scenes, etc. Tbh I can fap to those.
>>134778487
Because it "explores" a "relationship" that was extremely popular in the original but wasn't explored in much depth because it's fucking boring and Kaworu is a plot device.
>>134778632
Sounds like you're just salty that Shinji chose best boy over your shitty waifu.
>>134778905
No, I don't care, it's just not an interesting relationship. Kaworu is just perfect and Shinji attaches to him because his life is shit. There's nothing interesting about that.
It works wonderfully as a plot device to destroy your character once and for all but there's not much depth.
>>134779028
It's interesting if you're a little girl or someone who's been in a similar position to Shinji.
That's why Anno and Sadamoto and that welcome to the NHK author guy want to fuck Kaworu in the ass so much. They're all just old man versions of Shinji.
>>134779131
It's not interesting for them, it's just wish fulfillment. Hell, I heavily related to Shinji but realized that wishing for someone like Kaworu is unhealthy because people like that don't exist.
>>134779131
I think you mean they want to fuck Ikuhara
>>134779189
It's interesting for them because it's wish fulfillment.
>people like that don't exist
If you've ever been in love, you'd feel exactly like Shinji does with Kaworu, you'll idealize your partner and find them perfect, blurring out any flaws they may or may not have.
Kaworu isn't actually perfect, Shinji just thinks he is because he's in love.
Same with Kaworu. Kaworu technically finds Shinji perfect, but he really isn't.
They both idealize each other because they are both the first people in their lives that have ever legitimately cared about them, or so they think.
>>134779294
Only Anno wants to fuck Ikuhara.
That doesn't explain the kaworulust
of all these other old otaku men at khara
>enjoyed the rebuilds so far
>excited to see where the three friends reunited in a barren landscape will go
>understood 3.33 was meant to completely disregard expectations of weebs and otakus alike
>4.44 will be so unexpected and novel that Anno will once again take his place as king of all that is weeb
Filthy casuals simply couldn't comprehend that their fav show is becoming something greater still. Remind me to laugh at you a year from now when Rebuild is realized for the masterpiece it will be. But please, stay mad about deviations from your own headcanon.
>>134779189
Romantic love is all about idealization, that's why many many couples divorce when the "honeymoon phase" ends, but in case of Kaworu and Shinji they are each other's idea of perfect partners in the real world.
Anno likes to be DEEP and Shinji suffering. So he met his great love but he can't be with him. Similar to Misato and Kaji (the original idea was to make Shinji taste her sense of loss).
>>134779354
Wish fulfillment is not interesting, even for the people whose wishes are being fulfilled.
Also, what you describe is an unhealthy relationship. Yes, people who fall deeply in love ignore their partners flaws for a time but that's an unstable relationship. As time goes on, you have to recognize, understand, and accept the flaws of the people you love, otherwise those flaws will ruin your relationship.
At any rate, the only way in which Kaworu is established as not perfect is in the end of the episode, which could be interpreted as illustrating the point I made above, but before that all of Kaworu's actions cater perfectly to Shinji. I also never got the impression that Kaworu was particularly stunned by Shinji. Shinji hardly says anything of any meaning to Kaworu. Kaworu is just good at catering to the people around him because he can see past their AT Field.
>>134778632
>Kaworu is a plot device
Not even, nothing he did changed the plot. He was an exposition device.
NGE is only as deep as people are fucking stupid. It's really not that hard to understand what happens.
3.0, however, is just intentionally confusing shit. There's nothing wrong with starting in media res and not having everything explicitly explained, but there was no satisfying conclusion to the movie or anything interesting done with the lack of information. In the end, it ultimately just felt pointless and like a big tease for the sequel. I can only hope that 3.0+1.0 wraps it up properly.
>>134779697
You mean it's not interesting to you. But it's interesting to the people who it caters to, such as Anno, that much is objective fact.
>that's an unstable relationship
Yes, and? I was never arguing Kawoshin was healthy.
Though we really don't know what would happen between the two since they were together for such a short time.
But keep in mind that Shinji still continues to love Kaworu ever after he betrays him and is revealed to be an angel. Compare this to Asuka or Misato, who Shinji ignores runs away from and even chokes the former when she wouldn't cater to his demands.
Comparing that to his relationship with Kaworu, it's much heather in retrospect.
Kaworu makes Shinji happy. Shinji makes Kaworu happy. There's more good than bad being gone here.
>particularly stunned by Shinji
He said he loves him and found just his presence to be enough to change his mind about humanity and his orders from SEELE.
You don't see Kaworu meeting up with Misato of any other characters. It's because there's something particular about Shinji that makes him attracted.
And Kaworu was never established as perfect. Misato nor Rei found him perfect, they found him unnerving. He never catered to them either.
It was only Shinji who saw him in that way, and only with Shinji did he act in a certain way.
>>134780035
Look, I can be pandered to as well, but that doesn't mean I intrinsically find those situations interesting. I just like being pandered to. Most people do.
As for the rest of what you say, I would say that Kaworu's presence in Shinji's life is equally as unhealthy as anyone else's presence, just in a different way. Also, the I always thought that the reason Rei and Misato found him odd was because he gave off an aura of inhuman or improbable perfection. This was the thing Shinji was drawn to and the only thing that could have brought Shinji out of his depression for a time, because he didn't want to connect to real people. I always thought this was the purpose of Kaworu's character. This is also why Kaworu is seen as an idealized representation of love in Shinji's mind.
>>134756784
yeah, at least there is a reason for her being like that, nothing else makes sense in the movie at all
>>134780380
>doesn't mean I intrinsically find those situations interesting
Finding something interesting is defined by it being of interest to you and being able to hold/catch your attention.
Whether you're being pandered to is irrelevant, if you see something, enjoy it, and want to see more of it; than it's interesting to you.
That's the objective definition.
Now whether you personally find it interesting or not is subjective and irrelevant to the people who do.
>just in a different way
I wouldn't call it equal to choking someone by the neck with the intent to kill. Twice. It's really not the same.
>because he gave off an aura of inhuman..
Rei doesn't strike me as the type to be cold to someone who seems inhuman. And Misato never says or implies she finds Kaworu perfect. She sees him talking to himself and thinks he's crazy.
Then at the end of the episode she says he had no will to live so he deserves to die; not anything about perfection.
>didn't want to connect to real people
Yet he considers Kaworu real? So how does this interpretation even work?
>I thought this was the purpose of Kaworu's character
You're free to think whichever way you want, but Anno intentionally made Kaworu to be the Kaji to Shinji's Misato.
Likewise, it's just as 'unhealthy' as Misato and Kaji's relationship is.
>>134780966
>Yet he considers Kaworu real?
The way Kaworu acts is not in any way the way in which regular people act. People do not speak in cliched epithets like Kaworu does, and people do not fall madly in love with meek boys they barely know because of "a fragile heart." Kaworu is Shinji's fantasy; a person who immediately breaks through his facade completely without effort and treats Shinji with affection even though the two don't know each other at all. These are not things that real people in the real world do.
>>134781129
But notice how shocked Shinji was that Kaworu was an angel.
He thought he was a regular person, if not just a little quirky.
Shinji may seem him as a fantasy, as he is his ideal, but once that fantasy is broken and Kaworu betrays his heart and feelings; Shinji still continues to love him. That's the key here.
When Misato, Rei, and Asuka wouldn't help him in his breakdown in EoE; he screamed and blamed them, even chocked and defiled the latter one.
All because they 'betrayed' him.
That's why his relationship with Kaworu is more healthy. He forgives Kaworu and accepts and gets over the pain that their relationship gave him.
He still needed an entire movie to do this with the girls.
What about focusing on 3.0's actual flaws like >>134758762 instead of "muh shitty pandering is better than your shitty pandering"?
>>134781293
Shinji is shocked because he didn't care whether he was human or not. He just happy to have someone who showed him genuine affection.
Also, how is Shinji's reaction to Kaworu's death indicative of a more healthy relationship? It just means that he related to and had less understanding of Kaworu. When he says "He was like me" that's just Shinji projecting himself onto Kaworu. It's because he knows so little about him that he can act like they are the same. Moreover, besides that final betrayal, Shinji had nothing to resent Kaworu for, especially because he needed Shinji to kill him for Shinji's own sake. Shinji had many, many reasons to resent Asuka and Misato.
Kaworu would not have died if he or Shinji had any understanding of the other at all.
>>134781562
>he didn't care whether he was human or not
Then why did he get so mad and claimed Kaworu betrayed him? Why did he liken him to his father?
>how is Shinji's reaction indicative of a more healthy relationship?
Because he didn't discard him after Kaworu brought him pain and hurt him. He still continued to love him after the fantasy was broken.
When Asuka hurt him, he discarded her through choking.
>that's just Shinji projecting
So when Shinji says Kaworu is also like ayanami, is he projecting there too? No. Shinji obviously understood something about Kaworu. Because Kaworu, just like Shinji, is starved for love. He's so starved for it, that he makes Shinji the entire reason for his being. The reason why he was born and the reason why he'll discard SEELE's orders and give up his life.
>it's because he knows so little about him that he can act they are the same
Shinji sees himself in Rei, Misato, and then Asuka in EoE. He knows them, he knows Kaworu.
>Shinji had nothing to resent Kaworu for
You're undermining the betrayal. He likens him to his own father for fucks sake. It's a pretty big deal.
>many reasons to resent Misato
Asuka I get. But Misato?
>>134782185
Hedgehogs dilemma and failure to communicate. That's a major theme in Eva and Kaworu and Shinji are no exception to it.
>>134782957
Alright, I guess I can understand this. I would still argue on the healthiness of relationships or Kaworu's humanity, but we're basically arguing in degrees.
As far as Misato though, Shinji definitely has a reason to resent her. Shinji doesn't really think that Misato's affection is genuine or that her taking him into her home was all for his sake. He interprets a lot of what she does as simply being part of her job as commander of the pilots and resents her for that. It's rather subtle but that's why he closes her off when shit gets bad.
>>134783479
I think I said so earlier, but I don't think Kaworu and Shinji's relationship is 100% healthy.
All I ever really argued was that the motives behind Kaworu's character, as Anno says, are to clear the way for Shinji to love himself by first having someone e show he's worthy and love and also be the Kaji to his Misato.
Another neat parallel I just remembered is how Shinji compares Kaworu to his father, and Misato compares Kaji to her father.
And then I said that the dynamic is interesting, maybe not to you, but to many others. Opinions are subjective but it's entirely valid for someone to find Kaworu interesting.
Although I understand that he won't appeal to everybody, so I don't blame you for not liking him or caring about him.
Yeah, he definitely have that conflict with Misato, but I don't think he wholly resented her. After all he cried about her death and held onto her cross and her words. There was a genuine sense of closeness between the two, even if Shinji doubted her at times. He definitely cared for her.
>>134783735
Oh no, he certainly cared for her, he cared for basically everyone he came into contact with on a regular basis. That's why he cares when he think's other's feeling are ingenuine.
>>134773009
>Everyone who hates 3.33 just won't accept that miscommunication and human failure are some of the most important core themes of Evangelion as a series
Nonsense, 3.33 is a failure on the movie level. 3.33 does not deal with miscommunication or human failure, and you're full of it for even suggesting.
>>134773009
>You mean from the hands down worst and most unfaithful product to come out of Eva, 2.22, which pandered to Reifags because of executive meddling, to 3.33, which put the Rebuilds back into position to retell the story of NGE.
Between the two, the more unfaithful product is easily 3.33, and in terms of quality 2.22 trumps 3.33. This is because 2.22 keeps in tone with the original enough to justify it's own deviations. Make no mistake, 2.22 deviates but this is not a bad thing since it can actually back it's deviations up with a plot and well-characterized actors.
You can't pretend however, that shoving in a timeskip for 14 years and abandoning the heavy and realistic characterization of the original is being "faithful" to NGE. Because that's all on 3.33, and your argument just there alone is soundly defeated. It can't ever re-tell any story from NGE due to this, because 3.33 has already deviated too much.
>They don't care about looking at the movie from an objective standpoint
Anon, between you and your strawman, they are the only ones who have actually taken it on an objective level, analyzed it and understood it. Rather the only arguments you have bases itself on pretending fictional characters were real (???) or literally dusting up a jihad.
If you haven't noticed, you are the extremist faction anon. Rebuild 3.33's plot, story and characters were all criminally underperforming even compared to the two previous films, and it's animation or musical score is simply not enough to make up for that. Not only that, you are lying when you say it's better than it's better than "all" other anime, when 3.33 has animation glitches, poor 3DCG and does not compare well with movies in it's class. You are trying to compare it with TV-series from poor studios, which is not only an unfair comparison, but downright dishonest of you to do.
>>134773572
>2.22 is a generic supermecha film that neither brings anything worthwhile to the series nor innovates in the realm of traditional action movies.
This is a strange standpoint, because it brings a lot to Rebuild itself, and Rebuild as a story. You cannot make Evangelion without well-made characters, and Rebuild 2.22 provides more characterization for more characters than any of the three movies. That it contains "supermecha" or is "generic", the latter being just a buzzword with no context, is nothing unknown to Evangelion. In fact, 50% of NGE is roughly monster of the week shenanigans, Evangelion is not known as an original anime in that regard, it's nickname is "the remixed anime" for actually not innovating. However, amidst recreating japanese mecha tropes it actually developed and primed characters.
2.22 did it's part for Rebuild like the first episodes after Ramiel did it's part for NGE.
Your argument is not only flawed, it proves that you are willing to distort truth to favor your pro-3.33 narrative. It can easily be struck down further by pointing out that 3.33 abandons it's share of the duty, innovation and quality development.
Hence why critics refer to 3.33 as a "boring movie", and the audience agrees giving it the lowest rating for an EVA-movie ever.
That, and "miscommunication as a theme" is more of a blanket excuse for when a plot fails and the fanboy zealot can't defend it. In NGE one can argue miscommunication as a theme, because it is frequently brought up and reflected on, and not merely a plot device. 3.33 cannot be said to have miscommunication as a theme or even miscommunication as a cause for failure because there is never any character deep or well made enough to actually have made the attempt at communication in the first place.
Anxieties, fear, viewpoints that differ are things that may cause miscommuncation but are never during the duration of the movie, explored. 2.22 did that part better even.
>>134776431
see >>134778020
"MUH POKA POKA" is a buzzword-tier butthurt slander. Remove half of Asuka's development in NGE like that,and you'd be stuck with
"MUH ANTA BAKA", which is pretty much Rebuild's Asuka by the way.
>>134781329
3.33's flaws do include the pandering.
That 3.33 was a pandering mess is the direct cause for its failures in plot, story, character and even design.
>>134782957
Disgusting fanwanking Kaworufag. Kaworu does not have any character so you fanwank and project onto him.
That Kaworu is lovestarved or the rest of the nonsense you wrote is northing more than that, nonsense. Nonsense with no backing.
Its your inflated fandom that at all makes you defend 3.33, despite its huge flaws and rape of the characters.
>>134777995
3.0 was more likely made for people who hated NGE, and 2.0.
NGE and 2.0 features more serious characters than 3.0, and characters more in tone with the original.
This triggers people like Asuka fans because they hate the original since they just want asuka pandering and shipping.
This is why 3.0 was made, to cater to people who never like EVA in the first place but sought refuge in doujins like ReTake.
Reifags are absolute cancer.
No wonder their waifu literally looks like a smurf that got hit by a bus.
>>134758086
Ripping off Ikuhara as well -- a twofer for Anno there.
>>134786225
Hot damn, 2.0 was such an unoriginal piece of shot.
>>134783735
Kaworu and Shinjis have no dynamic, only pandering.
It is the promise of yaoi material in a high caliber production, which completely betrays the original by making for EVAs most escapist story yet. By having loops and the world resetting, or Kaworu looping they removed consequence from action and made nothing matter since it is all a race for the finish, where it resets with nothing learned.
>>134786202
You are the cancer for invoking waifu wars. Let me inform you that Asukafags and Kaworufags are the only proven cancer since they would abandon all of a story's merits to get pandered to.
>>134786258
You seem mad that Shinji's relationship with Kaworu was 8 million times more fleshed out than the two scenes he shared with Rei plot device Ayanami.
>>134785645
The 2.0 production notes show that Asuka appeared in 2.0 as an afterthought, and only because waifufags like Tsurumaki reclaimed some scenes for her from Mari. Anno was too busy wanking over putting Gerry Anderson spaceships into the movie to care.
>>134786313
Not mad, I gave you an objective analysis and you responded with butthurt. Brilliant show, thanks for proving me right.
>>134786308
I'm sorry your waifu looks like a land whale that got smashed in the head with a blue brick.
Actually, you should be apologizing to me for burning my poor Virgin eyes that had to gaze at the ugliest thing in existence, Rei.
>>134786362
The only thing that's butthurt is Reis bloody smurf ass after Gendo is done with her
>>134786366
Are you implying I give a single shit about the insults you are spewing?
You are digging your own grave here.
I thought bad-ass asuka in 3.0 was pretty cool.
That's about it really
>>134786352
Tsurumaki and Anno are both Asukafags who are both on record saying so.
Anno and Tsurumaki actually stands foe the biggest asukafaggy thing in 2.22, which is rewriting Asuka to be a nicer person.
>>134786433
At least I'm not digging myself in snow.
Like Rei.
>>134786258
>bringing up rebuild in a conversation about NGE
>replying to posts from hours ago in an almost dead thread
I know who you are.
>Posters supporting 3.0 only has one counter, attacking Rei or Rei fans
Is there any doubt whatsoever that 3.0 fans are petty otaku who hate NGE and Rei? Their responses so far have only validated the OP
>>134780380
Every character in Eva is a presentation of something in Shinji's mind:
Asuka is sex and rejection.
Kaworu is love and betrayal.
Rei is related to his mother.
>>134786524
Kaworufag please, being butthurt that all your fandom got denied in one post just makes it worse.
>>134786598
Me and that anon were actually having a pretty peaceful and nice conversation about NGE a while back, and we concluded on a happy note.
Not sure why you replied hours later harking about 3.0, but I won't question it.
Eva threads go by with way less reaching and handwaving with the word kaworu wordfiltered.
>>134786665
I agree.
After all, the one who brings up Kaworu the most in threads is the autistic textwalling Reifag.
It'd be a lot nicer if we could have him filtered out as you say.
>>134786665
I filter Rei and poka poka and I have a peaceful thread. I love Rei but her fags and antifags are absolute cancer.
>>134786735
He should get a trip so I can filter him already.
>>134786652
Because of the OP maybe? Rather it was you who twisted the subject.
Moreover you are resorting to ad hominem because you got shut down.
Either accept that you are wrong or leave quietly.
>>134786742
I don't know what Rei did to deserve such a terrible fanbase. She's a sweet girl, she shouldn't have to put up with this shit.
>>134786735
I usually filter kaworu to get rid of kaworufags. Stip damagecontrolling.
>>134786758
He doesn't even need a trip, you can tell who he is by his constant shitting on every character that isn't Rei.
>>134786776
It's not just the fanbase, the trolls who hate her are just as cancerous.
Funny how you can have a topical thread before waifufags show up and create a shitshow. Kaworufags, go home.
>>134786769
I don't remember getting shut down or twisting anything.
Our conversation was fairly constructive and pleasant. Maybe you should take some pointers from it?
>>134786794
But you bring up Kaworu the most in these threads, Reifag. You're obsessed.
>>134786794
Tsunderes are the worst archetype, don't do this to yourself, anon-kun.
>>134786860
Dont even try it Kaworufag. Your inability to stay on topic proves you wrong.
>>134786822
What is your opinion on mods knowing which posts come from your IP in a thread? And how frequent and blatant your samefagging is?
Don't you find it kind of embarrassing? Do you think the mods laugh at you?
>>134786897
The guy I was talking with earlier never said I switched topics though.
Exactly what are you referring to?
Best couple.
I've always felt bad for Shinji since the original series, and 3.33 only reaffirmed my opinion that everyone else are massive assholes that can't separate the manipulated from the manipulators.
>>134786965
Do not sexualize the ayy lmaos.
>>134786735
No, the problem is you and nobody else. Every character was mentioned since the start of the thread but only you bring in fanbase wars.
The cancer are reihating people.
Can someone explain to me Japans obsession with eye patches?
>>134787020
If you're so sure that you're a wanted presence in these threads, then why don't you get a trip and see the truth for yourself?
whens the english dub of 3.33 come out
>>134786965
that's actually an amazing fanart.
>>134786949
You switched topics and you are the only one bitching about topic changes.
You are a hypocrite and a cancer.
>>134787034
Because it's an easy plot device to add to any character. It's a way to show a character has been damaged by some event without any actual lasting damage.
If you had someone lose an actual limb that has implications as to how you animate, how they react to events and so forth.
>>134787034
increases the "badass" and "damaged" factor a level or two without destroying the character's good looks.
>>134787090
if that's true then that's pretty lame.
i dont know, it may just be me, but it seems like every anime now has some girl with an eyepatch
>>134787090
In real life, losing an eye is actually a pretty big fucking deal. You lose a lot of vision and all of your depth perception.
Of course, those limitations are completely irrelevant in anime because they can be easily ignored.
>>134787114
>without destroying the character's good looks.
I don't know, it ruined Asuka for me.
>>134787088
If I was switching topics then I'm pretty sure the anon would have told me. Why didn't he tell me if that was what I was doing?
And more importantly how exactly are you related to our conversation, again?
>>134787156
Asuka's cat-hat and eyepatch made her more popular than ever in Japan.
>>134787075
Why do you ruin threads with shitposting?
Is it because you cant stand the OP being right?
The end of 2015 is drawing near. Will 3.0 +1.0 happen suddenly as a surprise or will Anno kek everyone again
>>134787209
I am OP.
>>134787210
one year difference between 1.11 and 2.22
two year difference between 2.22 and 3.33
following the pattern, 4.44 should come out three years after 3.33, which would be 2016
>>134787238
I see your post as a new IP. You liar.
>>134787189
Do you need to be told to wipe your ass as well?
Kaworufags are obtuse as hell.
>>134787389
What are you implying?
>>134787422
I can't wipe something I don't have.
>>134787427
You cant be the OP because your post flagged as a new IP earlier.
I also know that Kaworufags lie and cheat like this to avoid real discussion.
Whats wrong with you? Do you have mental health issues?
>>134756731
what dissapointed me most is that in 1.0 and 2.0 you could compare it to the main series, evaluate how much the left out things affect the characters, their interaction, how subtle differences have major effects on how they stand to each other, and I wanted to see how it plays out
then 3.0 comes along and everything just goes full retard
you could watch 3.0 without watching anything else before, his obsession with a strange girl will be just as pathetic as before, and kaworu will appear just as gay, nothing matters anymore
>>134787502
What's a Kaworufag? Can I eat it?
But I am OP
Now I have to go pee
Excuse me
>>134787502
I had a pretty nice discussion a couple hours back, not sure what you're problem is.
>>134787587
Exactly. 3.33 is just a bad movie.
>>134787814
Until the kaworufag revealed his powerlevel and started shitting the thread up.
>>134787932
How did I shit the thread up?
You responded to a conversation that was over hours ago, and so I questioned why you did and then you dropped your tuna sandwich all over the thread.
>>134788013
Still shitting the thread up with meta I see.
The thread had gone on foe hours before your shitposting ass arrived. Unable to deal with the topic at a mature level, you commenced shitposting.
>>134788136
Well at least you finally admitted all this stinky tuna belongs to you.
Only took you like 3 hours.
Next time just wear the trip, though.
>>134788185
Shitposting only began with you. You are the foreign element that spoils the soup.
>>134788317
You're honestly not my type, so I don't know why you bother being so tsun tsun with me, Asuka.
Kaworufans and childish Anti-Rei posters should refrain from posting, experience dictates they cant behave even if half the thread begs them.
>>134788421
Aren't you that creepy old man who stalks the Kaworu threads over at /cm/?
Why are you so skeevy?
SHINJI WAS A GOOD BOY
HE DIN DOO NUFFIN
>>134788558
B'DAS RAHT MAH CHIGGA
>>134788558
Shinji is innocent
Rei is innocent
The rest, not so much.
WILLE are the niggers of mankind.
>>134758086
I knew I've seen that scene somewhere.
>>134786965
Too bad not many fanarts about them.
>>134786989
But sexualizing either of them with Shinji is okay because you can self-insert, right?
>>134756731
I seriously think Hideaki knows what he is doing with this, and is deliberately making it awful. Fans wont to obsessing over the series, so he's destroying it so they are forced to move on.
>>134791329
Almost. Because he is still catering heavy to otaku with 3.0, and what he made was made to be popular, not unpopular. Anno knows what he is doing, and he is doing evil
>>134756731
The only reason to watch Evangelion was the girls anyway.
>>134756909
Dude, you're just aggrieved that your waifu didn't follow an easy, undemanding simplistic "development arc" to your kawaii fantasy.
It doesn't make any sense to moan about "development" anyway. Rei Q is a different character altogether, this was clearly and unambiguously established.
2.0 was the worst rebuild in every regard, it's literally just fanfiction-tier garbage, why is this "3.0 was terrible" meme so prevalent?
>>134793337
It's asspained Reifags.
>>134793023
Nah. If anything you are a butthurt fanboy incapable of addressing the topic maturely. Because only a butthurt fanboy would dishonestly argue that there isnt a problem with reducing characters.
Since you have no objective argument, consider yourself proof that everyone who dismisses 3.0 is right in doing so.
>>134793337
It isnt a meme but a valid observation. Any serious criticism of Rebuild has to conclude that 3.0 is crap, whilst 1.0 and 2.0 are fine.
Happens every time.
>>134774223
>episodes 16, 18 and 19 bad
Are you on fucking on acid?
>>134776431
2.22 was doing fine until they skipped episode 16 and the first mindfucks of Shinji exploring his trauma of missing his mother and Asuka's pride being shattered as she lose the no 1. place to Shinji. I'm not even mentioning how good was to the plot Touji actually almost being killed on the series and how changing Asuka to be the pilot of Eva 03 fucked up every possible char development of both herself and Shinji afterwards. 2.22 was kinda generic but still a good movie for the first 2/3 parts, then it completely ruined everything as it skip one of the most important and turnpoints episodes of the series: Episode 16, and fucked up the climax of the series, episode 19.
![Evangelion.2.22.You.Can.(Not).Advance.2010.1080p.BluRay.x264-WiKi.mkv_snapshot_01.51.52_[2015.12.15_12.38.46].png](https://i.imgur.com/SG7L6wC.jpg "Evangelion.2.22.You.Can.(Not).Advance.2010.1080p.BluRay.x264-WiKi.mkv_snapshot_01.51.52_[2015.12.15_12.38.46].png")
>>134773009
I'm not a Reifag, I loved how Reitards got buttmad with Rebuild 3.33 but you just went full retard. 3.33 is bad because it simply skips all the deep char development of episodes 16, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 and 24 and also completely ruins the plot by introducing a retarded 14 years timeskip and not explaining SHIT how things got the way they did.
The preview after 2.22 was awesome, and the fact the actual 3.33 movie had almost nothing to do with the preview was a completely blow. It'll need a miracle to fix this shit and explain all the 14 year timeskip with only one more "sequel" movie.
3.33 It's a terrible movie for all fanbases with the sole exception of Kaworutards, no one else.
>>134756731
That picture makes me feel so hard
>yfw share earphones with your childhood bro under the night skies, no homo
>>134786225
They call it an homage, sir
Anno actually wants Ikuhara's dick.
Shinji Kaworu
Anno Ikuhara
While I really like 3.0, I need to wait to watch FINAL to see if 3.0 was a well-done move or not.
I feel like all the people saying 3.0 is shit forgot there was 14 years skip between 2.0 and 3.0, 14 years can do a lot for people, it's obvious they would be different. But again, we need to wait to watch the final movie to really see the effects of the third movie playing out. The fanbase is reacting the same as when the original NGE finished, angry and confused, with no explanation, with just Shinji's thoughts and the final psychological analysis to make some sense out of the whole thing, now we have a time skip filled with questions and two guys playing piano while they talk about their philosophy in life, now let's hope the final movie even comes close to what EoE did.
If the fourth movie doesn't solve things, them fuck 3.0, and the rest of the rebuilds.
>>134794169
Maybe the preview contains events that happened in the 14 years leading up to 3.33?
