Why is KyoAni so special and when do you think the other studios are going top it?
>>134691545
>Why is KyoAni so special
Good, successful shows
Can keep most aspects of production in-house
School for animators
Has become a producer
Employ a bunch of women
Pay staff a salary
>when do you think the other studios are going top it
lol
>>134691957
Pretty much this.
>>134691957
>lol
Kill yourself.
>>134691545
>Why is KyoAni so special
They know how to make cute girls doing cute things and that's what anime is all about
Their works are mostly shit so they shouldn't be considered a top studio.
Also their character designs are garbage.
Garbage studio overrated by newfag plebs
>i hate kyoani
am i cool yet guys
I think Teekyuu season 6 is awesome.
starting to think the regular kyoani threads are false flag to make people hate them more
like i could fully picture all these being one guy
>>134691545
>>134692071
>>134692166
>>134692215
>>134691545
They're probably one of the few remaining studios that know how to tell a story and write captivating characters. Other studios won't come close to topping it because they're too busy pandering to otaku dogs.
>>134692215
Now you must lower yourself enough to enjoy trash like OPM and JoJo
>>134692248
You seem upset, senpai
>>134692248
You seem upset, senpai
I like the anime that Trigger does.
>>134692215
Your kakkoii senpai
It's over. Laugh-O-Gram Studio is finished.
>>134692232
If you were to list the shows with the best animation, the entire top 10 or so would be Kyoani shows.
>>134692534
ikr
I think Lerche makes some very fine shows. Humanity has declined, MonMusu, Gakko Gurashi, and Unbreakable Machine-Doll were my favorite shows they did.
Persona 4 was also kinda okay.
>>134691957
/thread
Nippon Animation did Heidi, Girl of the Alps, one of the most popular anime shows world wide.
Polygon Pictures is one of the best 3DCG animation studios in all of Japan.
>>134693385
That's not saying much
>>134692248
No shit, anon. Kyoani has more dedicated (both hate and positive) threads than all other studios combined during the year.
>>134693385
Orange and those who made Etotama's cgi are better
>>134693776
You'd think that Etotama's CGI would be Shirogumi, but it's actually gooks from MK Seoul who did most of the work.
>>134692730
My favourite is still Carnival Phantasm
They seem to lack diversity in the genre of shows they make. Most of it is the same kind of stuff.
They're only successful as animators. They spend more time and money on animation than most studios, sometimes even at a profit loss.
But when it comes to original plots and character development, many other studios are better.
>>134693385
Nope, Orange and Sanzigen are the kings of 3DCG.
They really aren't except from a business standpoint. Yes, they have consistently good production values, but they don't turn out good shows reliably.
>>134691957
>Employ a bunch of women
>>134692534
>what is Dennou Coil
They hit the ceiling with K-On!
No anime could ever surpass it as it is literal, objective perfection in every conceivable way.
>>134691545
>Why is KyoAni so special
Because they can't make a successful original shows.
Top tier adaption with trash tier originals, that's indeed very special.
>>134696456
They've made two originals, that's a bit harsh.
>>134692534
>UBW
>FZ
>Attack on Titan
>SAO
>OPM
No kyoani anime in Top 5 at least
>>134696406
>grainshit
>>134696491
Nice try, buddy.
Even Chuu2 looked better than all of those shows.
>>134696479
Tamako and?
>>134696355
>Hating on women in anime
I mean if it wasn't for Yamada Keion wouldn't be as good. And that was KyoAni best.
>>134696562
Free
>>134696532
>grain as a criticism of animation
>>134696562
Munto
>>134696620
Oh yeah forget that even exist.
>all this KyoAni salt
>>134696456
Only filthy plotfags hated Tamako Market.
>>134692062
Pretty sure lol has become so rare that it's less shit than kek and lel at this point, so how about you kill yourself you fucking mongoloid.
The lost me after K-On, Hyouka and Nichijou. They are trying to be super abstract. And while it helps their animation process, it makes the stories a chore to watch. They also pick the source material I care the least about. Random comedy and mystery shows are my absolute least favorite things.
>>134696719
>posting Kanna instead of the titular girl
Pleb.
>>134696776
>abstract
Either you or I don't know what that word means.
>>134696765
>Kek
>>134696819
Abstract works. Its referring to something that goes against conventions. Not the movement in art.
Use the term unorthodox if you like. Though it doesn't hold the same weight as multiple studios don't follow set formulas. KyoAni seems to go even father and for little reason. Since they keep going against the formula that made them popular in 2006-2010.
>>134691545
In terms of tone, art, animation and general flow they can't be topped. Sure, plotwise things can be a bit bland at times (which is pretty normal for SOL regardless), but you're a tasteless cunt if you try to deny that their general cinematographic direction is anything less than top in the industry. I don't even rate kyoani shit that highly in aggregate but if you have any eye for artisanship you won't be calling kyoani garbage.
>>134696776
There is nothing abstract about their shows, and they aren't trying to be abstract either.
>>134696960
>There is nothing abstract about their shows
Haruhi episodes out of order.
Endless Eight.
Hyouka.
Air.
Yeah...they're totally normal shows with no strange formulas or themes.
>>134696719
Not having a plot is fine. Having an stupid plot is not okay.
>>134696620
Dennou Coil's grain is superimposed and looks a little weird. Also I found the character designs kinda unappealing. They all look a bit like monkeys.
>>134697087
But there barely was any plot until the last episode, really. And even then it was resolved within the first 15 minutes.
It was mostly just SoL interactions between Tamako and her friends with a side of the shop owners. The pure, comfy atmosphere of Tamako Market is essentially unrivaled and had a great narrative.
>>134697087
>Not having a plot is fine.
No, that's really not fine either. A show can have a minimalistic, character focused plot. But it still has to have a plot. This is why many people can't stand K-On or Nichijou. Because the plot is almost non existent, most people just lose interest. Even a comedy show has to have character development and some progression to it.
KyoAni is actually a good example of how you need a plot to keep people interested.
>>134697008
There is nothing abstract about any of these shows. Maybe Endless Eight.
>>134697212
>plotfags
>>134697253
>KyoAni fans know their shows are so pointless, they've actually developed a parrot response for when people point it out
When did KyoAni top the true anime juggernauts, Sunrise & Toei?
Just say avante-garde or progressive instead of abstract you faggots.
>>134697237
>There is nothing abstract about any of these shows.
>except the ones that are
>>134697212
I don't think you've watched a lot of anime. True slice of life is plotless by it's very definition.
>>134697299
Toei killed itself. Sunrise has been hit or miss for decades. And multiple studios, from Madhouse to Production IG, surpassed them long ago. Hell, while I hated GONZO with a passion, they were doing better than Sunrise or Toei for about 10 years.
>>134697211
I agree that Tamako Market has a fantastic atmosphere. Unfortunantely, that atmosphere get's interrupted a lot by Dera's comedy antics. The narrative is really subpar as well. There's not much in the way of character development and whenever the major narrative of the show pops up, it's incredibly stupid.
>>134697212
K-on is a perfect example of a story with a minimalistic, character driven story. That said, in comedy shows an overarching narrative isn't necessary at all. As long as it isn't suggested that anything will ever progress in any meaningful fashion, you can just get by with silly gags. Sure, you probably won't make anything genuinely great, but that's true of nearly all comedy.
>>134697355
That's why most shows aren't pure slice of life. They usually have a fantasy, shoujo, harem or some other bend. Which some early KyoAni series like Air, Clannad or FMP also did.
Its just recently, they've been making shows with zero plot. As if cute girls is all you need. And sales are proving that isn't the case. No matter how superior the animation is, you still need some plot and character depth.
KyoAni is basically making the anime equivalent of the Kardasians.
>>134697429
>Sure, you probably won't make anything genuinely great, but that's true of nearly all comedy.
Your point was doing great until you threw that horrid generalization at the end. Anyone who likes comedy at all, even K-On, will disregard your opinion.
>>134697414
>Sunrise has been hit or miss for decades.
But when Sunrise hits, they hit hard.
>>134697492
You're complaining about a genre, not a studio, that's a completely different topic. The point is that kyoani does pure slice of life as well as it can be done, whether you like it as a concept is completely irrelevant. Not to mention the fact that K-on was one of their better grossing works, so that's a moot point you've made.
>>134697492
>That's why most shows aren't pure slice of life. They usually have a fantasy, shoujo, harem or some other bend.
Those shows aren't SOL. They're fantasy or harem. Shoujo is a demographic.
>Its just recently, they've been making shows with zero plot. As if cute girls is all you need.
This is most certainly something only KyoAni is doing.
(also, their most recent shows are Hibike, Amagi and Kyoukai no Kanata which of these fit the category you speak of?)
>And sales are proving that isn't the case.
K-ON is their highest selling show, and one of the most profitable anime extant.
>KyoAni is basically making the anime equivalent of the Kardasians.
And Fate is the anime Avengers. See? I can say ridiculous and baseless things, too.
>>134697429
Dera is the only criticism I can understand with Tamako, but the islander subplot really is a small fraction of the show. There's also the Shiori subplot, Tamako's mom, Midori losing, and the haunted house.
I think more time is spent introducing Dera and Choi than the entire actual islander subplot
>>134697492
>they've been making shows with zero plot
They've literally never done that.
>>134697339
I said Endless Eight you illiterate fuck.
>>134697538
Fair enough. I was more talking about pure comedy stuff like Nichijou, but you're right, the generalization isn't really necessary.
>>134697610
>You're complaining about a genre, not a studio, that's a completely different topic.
No, I'm pretty sure I know what my point was. And it wasn't complaining. It was pointing out that KyoAni has had a focus on cute girls with little to no plot. It is not me complaining about a genre, but one studio who is stuck in a loop.
>The point is that kyoani does pure slice of life as well as it can be done
Not really no. Working is a much better example of pure slice of life than anything KyoAni has done.
>Not to mention the fact that K-on was one of their better grossing works, so that's a moot point you've made.
I would argue that, like Haruhi, K-On was popular for being the outlier. It did something no one had seen before. Which is usually what gets a show to stand out. But since then, KyoAni keeps trying to copy K-On in a different setting. And people are less and less interested each time. Which is pointing to my overall argument.
>>134697645
>I think more time is spent introducing Dera and Choi than the entire actual islander subplot
This is true. I have two reasons for disliking the Islander plot. The first is that the islander plot is what brings Dera and Choi to the story, and the second being that it takes up the end of the story and leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth when you finish the show. It's just a disappointing conclusion.
>>134697743
Do you actually think that everything Kyoani has made since K-on was trying to be K-on but somewhere else? Do you even watch Kyoani shows?
>>134697790
I've watched five of them since K-On. Three of them were K-On clones. The other two were a mystery series (which was still 80% moe and background porn) and the other was a random comedy show.
>>134697839
Would you actually tell me which were which?
>>134697743
How many kyoani shows have you actually watched? K-on is the one and only example of the cute girls doing cute things "loop" that you somehow think exists.
>That's why most shows aren't pure slice of life. They usually have a fantasy, shoujo, harem or some other bend.
This is complaining about genre, I don't know how you can think it's anything else. If you were actually trying to implicate kyoani in doing plotless cute girl shit constantly then you're doing a pretty poor job of it man, what have you actually seen?
>K-On was popular for being the outlier.
I don't think so, it was popular for taking something and doing it better/ the best even.
>>134697839
>I've watched five of them since K-On
Don't you know it's against the law to lie on the internet?
>>134697899
I thought you were the KyoAni expert. Can't you tell which is which? Or are you going to claim KyoAni hasn't made a show like K-On since K-On.
Since KyoAni is the unanimous best studio, who is #2?
>>134697947
Tatsunoko
>>134697839
They're doing haremshit after this. That's definitely not K-On clones.
>>134697947
SHAFT
>>134697945
That dodge
>>134697839
>Everything SOL is a K-On clone
Holy shit you're retarded.
>>134697945
>going to claim KyoAni hasn't made a show like K-On since K-On
Yes.
>>134697947
Gainax
>>134697947
Dogakobo
>>134697947
Liden Films
Hello friends,
I just came to this thread to say that kyoani is overrated shit. thank you bye bye
>>134698047
Come back soon!
>>134697947
I'm torn.
Dogakobo is fantastic, but they haven't been that great this year.
Tatsunoko is also pretty good.
Trigger has been really fun, but they haven't made enough shows yet to really judge them.
>>134697947
>stuck in moe moe SoL-type shows
>never leaves its comfort zone
>has not produced a single successful original production
>unanimous best
lol, hipsters
>>134697934
Pretty sure K-On was popular for its unprecedented levels of moe. Which other shows from them have tried to focus on. But weren't met with the same popularity.
And I find it funny that you're now trying to say K-On was the best at what it did. What exactly did it do besides cute girls doing cute things? I mentioned Working as an example of another show that did the same thing. And its pretty much opinion which you will like more. Based on which characters you like more.
Since K-On didn't have anything else going for it besides cute girls and amazing animation, then you can cite many shows which did the same thing. Some also having more to the show like a scifi/fantasy subplot, more comedic moments or more character development.
What it seems to come down to is you really like K-On. That's fine. But its only an opinion that it was the best at what it did. And some other people are of the opinion that there needs to be more to a show for it to be entertaining.
>>134698097
>doesn't like GodAni
I think you're the hipster
>>134698097
Free! was successful regardless of the fact it was easy money due to there being no high quality fujoshi shows to compete with and that it's garbage.
>>134697181
I'm not saying the grain isn't weird, although I really didn't mind it after a while, but that's more of an artstyle thing than it is animation.
>>134697414
Gonzo was doing better than almost anyone for a while there. The problem is that they weren't really bringing in the money to keep that going.
>>134698153
Well also their shows were shit. And just like BeeTrain, you can't keep making the same shit over and over and expect to gain more fans.
>>134698136
>you don't like whatI like
Don't spend much time in KyoAni threads. Why are they so defensive and bitter when they claim KyoAni is the most popular studio?
>>134697945
I'm actually not. I'm both a newfag and a new Kyoani fag but I'm making my way through their stuff.
At any rate, I'll make some assumptions. The random comedy show is obviously Nichijou and obviously not a K-on clone, so I'll let that go.
One of the mystery series is Hyouka but I have no idea what the other one is. KnK maybe? I haven't watched it but it doesn't really strike me as mystery. To counter your point, Hyouka is not really like K-on in any way. The narrative style is much more multi-episode arc focused and the themes, tone, and characters are completely different.
I assume Hibike and Tamako are two of the K-on clones. Tamako is similar in it's almost purely episodic and slice of life nature, but the tone and themes are much different and the show focuses much more on establishing a sense of place and community than K-on ever does. Hibike isn't really similar to K-on at all. Both have slice of life moments but Hibike is way more like a sports anime than SoL and it's narrative is incredibly focused and specific.
I have no idea what your third supposed K-on clone is and that's probably because I have no idea what show you would misconstrue as a K-on clone.
>>134698117
Let's look at this from a purely emperical standpoint, then.
Since K-on, kyoani has released Nichijou, Hyoka, Chuunibyou, BTB, Free, ABP and Euphonium. Of those, I'd hazard to say only Euphonium and Chuunibyou come even close to riding solely on their moe. That's hardly overwhelming.
>>134698251
Well saying liking the most popular studio is being hipster is pretty much opposite of the fact
>>134698150
free was not original tho. And that bubble is already burst with the gay shota movie underperforming so they are back to sub 10k sellers like every other studio
>>134698346
>like every other studio
What? Shows break 10k every season.
>>134698346
High[star]Speed was the source material from what I understood, which they published same as KNK or chu-2. It's demise doesn't retroactively diminish the sales the TV series had.
>kyoani
>special
specially shit
>High Speed flopped
>Phantom World will bomb
>Euphonium never sold well and season 2 will do worse
>1 billion yen of debt
I think it's over
>>134698886
>Phantom World will bomb
>season 2 will do worse
citations needed
>>134698929
I came from the future.
>>134698955
Have they figured out why you're such a faggot yet?
>WUG destroyed High Speed in boxoffice
>>134698929
Not him, but Phantom World seems like it'll be Chuunibyou tier in terms of sales and interest.
Euphonium is almost guaranteed to do worse simply because its a S2. Almost no S2 do better than S1 with a few exceptions.
>>134699423
I think you're confused, unless you're overestimating Phantom World. Chuu2 sold very well, and also covered the board in memes.
>>134699423
The Phantom World's staff for the first eps is unexpected though.
>director : Kigami
>storyboard : Takemoto
>>134697947
PA Works used to be but they whored themselves to Key and their next show is low quality also.
So Godakobo.
>>134699572
Best animated episode and show of the season already confirmed
>>134699572
>Kigami
That guy didn't seppuku after being forced to make Munto? Oh boy.
>>134699667
>forced to make Munto
He wanted to make more Munto but they didn't let him.
>>134699728
>>134699667
The original character "Fairy" from Phantom world is basically Munto character, so yes - its more Munto again.
>>134699507
Sorry I meant Chuunibyou S2
>>134699572
Neat. I didn't expect that.
>>134699728
It was honestly starting to get kind of exciting by the 3rd movie. If there was a 4th or enough to make a full 12 ep series it possibly could have redeemed itself.
>>134699572
Complete staff for eps 1
>Script: Shimo
>Director: Kigami
>Storyboards: Takemoto
>AD: Akitake
>Chief AD:Yuki Kakuda
>>134692534
At least half of them would be Bones shows.
>>134700012
Forgot pict.
>>134699423
>Phantom World seems like it'll be Chuunibyou tier in terms of sales and interest.
But Anon, Chuunibyou season 1 did over 10K in sales. That's well above what most anime do in any given season.
Anon, are you just talking out of your ass?
>>134700038
>Bones show
>good animation
Ahahahahahahah oh wow..
Bones budged and willingless to animate is limited to max few episode and select scenes, after which its QUALITY gallore
>>134699572
They probably wanted Kigami to do the action to set tone for the rest of the series.
>>134700746
That only makes your argument sound even dumber. If you wanted to compare it another KyoAni show that didn't do well, it would have made more sense to compare it to KnK, not to a successful show's less successful second season.
>>134700759
And those episodes are better than anything kyoani ever made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SSZzf_C-BM
>>134700944
>I have watched no KyoAni shows. So what? You wanna fight about it?I actually watched Xam'd. It wasjust okay.
>>134701021
Who are you quoting?
>>134701045
>Bones vs KyoAni
Ah I love the good old sakuga shitposting.
>>134701089
>sakuga
We are not talking about ARMS here
Madhouse is already doing with every single show, movie, etc..
>>134702209
>Madhouse
>doing anything
Nigger. They even had the best freelance talent this side of Khara and they couldn't top Nichijou in a one cour show.
>there are people who actually fell for the "K-On is good" meme
No one cared about K-On when it aired and no one cares now.
>>134696867
Jesus stop trying so hard to fit in.
>>134696577
>liking women in anime
Enjoy your stone tits in Amagi
>>134697743
I'm not sure what you're talking about, anon. KyoAni hasn't done a CGDCT SOL since K-On, which was 5 years ago. Everything else they've done after that has been far away from K-On as possible.
>K-KYOANI SAVES A-ANIME AG-G-AIN RIGHT GUYS!?
Nigger. Sunrise and Madhouse are better studios than KyoAni, fce the facts.
I haven't watched any of their shows and never will, but I can tell you for sure that Kyoani has bad animation and literally just clones K-On over and over again. Maybe they'll stop being shit if they remake Akira.Am I part of the patrician anime elite now?
>>134704179
Madhouse is washed up, it has been for years. Give up.
>>134704104
>Amagi
>homo dorector
>rock tita
>Phantom World
>otaku director
>jiggly tits
It's Takemoto being a raging homo that did that not any female personnel in KyoAni.
>>134705133
>>134705253
Fixed that for you.
