Why did they stop making "deep" anime?
>>134431550
Just wait for Ikuni's next show.
Utena ain't deep.
>>134431550
What's with the scare quotes?
I think Shirobako and Penguindrum have a nice amount of depth.
>>134431550
You should watch Dragon Ball Super, its very deep
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No idea what you are talking about.
Because it's pretentious.
>>134432535
You are confusing pretension for "not directed by a potato"
Psycho-Pass is an example of pretentious.
>>134432535
Pretentious is like the polar opposite of deep, but a synonym to 2deep4u.
>>134432072
I'm not sure if shirobako counts as deep. Don't get me wrong, I loved the show but when I think deep I think of allegories and shit like that.
>>134431550
Its not that deep senpai
>>134432135
>>134431550
>It's black above another color
>it must be deep!!!!!!!
There's nothing deep about cute girls.
>>134431550
this is not deep, it's shit
>>134431550
utena is shallow as fuck. it gets a free pass because it's old and nostalgiafags are the worst kind of fags
>>134431550
So pic not related? Utena isn't "deep", it's deep.
>>134433351
Deep literally means "more than what it appears on the surface level".
I'm sure there is a more complicated definition that deals with the issue of expectations changing relative deepness, but this definition is good enough for confirming which things aren't deep. If something looks deep on the surface level, it is guaranteed to not be actually deep.
Utena isn't incredibly deep or anything, but as far as anime goes it's one of the deeper ones
>>134431550
Utena isn't "deep", it's actually deep with complex characters.
The most recent thing I've seen that had such multi-faceted characters was Madoka.
>>134435392
Shamelessly ripping off Utena is Shinbo's trademark.
>>134434979
If you go with that definition then you could call Pleiades deep.
Not sure if I would though.
>>134433862
>Utena
>Nostalgia
Get out, retard
>>134435392
>one-dimensional characters: the anime
>>134431550
Because anime fans are dumb
Plain and simple
What's the point in making something deep if nobody pays any attention to it and just masturbates to the characters until they pass out?
>>134435621
Because it makes your anime more popular.
>>134431550
>>134434354
hello samefriend
>>134434979
The term "deep" is more useful if you examine apparent depth and actual depth as separate things.
So like if a show explores complex ideas in a thorough and intelligent way, it should be considered deep regardless of how it appears.
>>134435621
>masturbating to normal anime
Why? We have Doujinshi and Hentai and shit for that
>>134435392
>The most recent thing I've seen that had such multi-faceted characters was Madoka.
Not sure if joking or not.
>>134435570
>utena
>released almost 20 years ago
>not nostalgia
nice try you autist. how about you kill youself like the faggot you are
>>134436652
If I had autism I would have wirtten a post like yours, kike.
>>134436652
I watched Utena last week
>>134436652
this is autism
>>134436697
>>134436702
>>134436723
>autists being autists
Any group done a BD release yet?
>>134436773
Shut up, analist.
>>134434979
What "deep" really boils down to is realistic and complex characters. Anyone who thinks it means anything else is part of the problem.
>>134431550
Stop shitposting.
>>134436872
That would basically mean that poems can never be deep.
>>134433186
That's deep really.
That post has a lot of substance and not only style.
It really provoked me to think.
>>134431550
It is easy to be profound by imagining absurd stories. It is much more interesting to capture the deep meaning of simple things in a slice of life.
>>134431796
Yuri Kuma was awful. In the story there is no difference between the "mundane" and "fantasy," and that element is what made shows like Utena or Penguindrum good.
>>134435392
Fuck off.
>>134436773
butthurt autist
Eva was deep
>>134437506
>Eva
>deep
eh, why do we need deep? we just need enjoyable. there is no deep, there is no insight an anime can provide. how deep a literary work goes is determined by how deep your mind is.
is this the shitposting general? not one sensible post including faggot OP
>>134437694
There's more shitposting in that other deep thread.
>>134437506
>Eva was deep
Why was Adolescense of Utena the polar oppposite of EoE?
EoE was all depressing and negative and shi while AoU was literally fanservice in film form.
Every single ship was made slightly canon.
Utena and Anthy kissed in their first meeting
Touga was made into a super amazing guy instead of his original flawed self
That whole car scene which has to be the most awesome climax to anything ever.
>>134435602
>>134436593
Granted, the characters have been turned into rather flat characters thanks to Rebellion. But as they were in the anime all 5 of the main magical girls grew up and changed in a natural way.
Sucks that /a/ has such shit taste.
>>134439237
>posting the most one dimensional character in the show
when companies realized "deep" anime doesn't sell figures and merch
>>134439237
The characters are functional and have some sort of arc, but by no means are they good examples of characters. Each one has one or maybe two major concerns and that's it. There's very little complexity in their motivations.
>>134439237
Except Rebellion was the part where Homura's character actually got explored in an interesting way
>>134439237
nigga you got it backwards
Rebellion was the only part that actually had at least some character depth
>>134439237
>Movie where the characters are explicitly stated to be brainwashed and memory altered retroactively destroys the characterization they had in the series
Nope
Utena is mediocre trash and achieved nothing unlike Evangelion.
>>134440229
>Evangelion
Poor man's Utena.
>>134436792
Just get a BDrip and download some subs. The one I got was like 70 GB, which is admittedly huge, but in the end it was worth it. Definitely one show that benefits greatly from the Bluray treatment.
>>134437106
>Yuri Kuma was awful.
Silly anon. Yuri Kuma was great. It's one of /a/'s recommended anime :)
>>134440229
>>134440300
Both are great series. Stop the shitposting.
Would Bakemonogatari and the rest of the series count? I think it utilizes a lot of symbolism much like Utena did, but probably not on as grand a scale. The characters as well are interesting and do get development throughout the series.
>>134440562
AoT doesn't belong there. It's not that bad. I think NGNL fits better.
>>134440116
>>134440148
>>134440175
>posts that are a little more than a minute apart
samefag.
>>134437778
Adolescence wasn't fanservice and it was certainly not about the shipping. Both the show and the movie go against conventional romance in anime and somehow the majority of Utenafags got it all backwards thinking it's the quintessential yuri show.
>>134440783
>Giving up by calling samefag
>>134431550
Beacuse boobies, thats why
>>134440644
It goes into a lot of detail about every character's desires, their upbringing and stuff like that. It's not 2deep4u but there's certainly some depth.
>>134431550
We just fucking had this thread. Shut up.
Deep is not a genre you fucking twit.
>>134431550
OP, I just spent the last like, 20+ minutes searching for this one post I remembered that explains it perfect. You had better appreciate it damnit.
Utena ain't deep though.
>>134440562
Yuri Kuma was good though.
Deep anime are not popular anymore because the majority of anime fans don't understand them.Most anime fans today only care about waifus and don't want to deal with a deep storyline.If Utena was made today it would be criticized for being pretentious and not focusing on cute girls doing cute things.
>>134441343
But it does have cute girls doing cute things. How can you say Nanami being Nanami isn't cute?
>>134441263
>YKA
>good
will this meme ever die?
>>134441393
>liking worst girl
>>134441445
But I don't like Anthy.
>>134441445
>Nanami
>anything except a best
Get out.
K-On is LITERALLY the deepest anime of the last seven years
>>134441468
But Anthy is best girl
>>134441593Utenais true best girl.
>>134435392
>multi-faceted
What the fuck this show had some of the most trite and one-dimensional characters I've seen for an anime that gets spammed so much for being supposedly good by their retarded fandom
6/10 post I'm mad
>>134441393
I'm saying that if Utena came out today most fans would want it to focus on Nanami's cute antics instead of the deeper aspects of the story.
>>134441620
>non-virgin
>best anything
Was Shinsekai Yuri deep?
>>134441655
>"Punctuation"
>>134433056
How is Psycho-Pass pretentious?
>>134441806
You can deal with one missing comma and two periods, do you?
>>134441739
I think it explored some cool ideas dealing with evolution and society. I dunno why we can't have an anime with Plato/Kant/Nietzsche/Voltaire level anime. I mean fucking video games get dark souls and bloodborne which explore Nietzsche and lovecraft, respectively.
>>134441861
Do you have some neurological need to choose between punctuation and diction?
>>134431550
"deep" anime was never a thing
>>134442066
Well it's just a different kind of audience. Anime is made to promote most of the time. A DS/BB anime would kinda kill the way the story is told.
Also we have Berserk anyway.
They're still around, but they're a lot shorter because they're in the form of music videos or shorts. Also the anime business takes very few risks now. Shows few shows are more than one cour and only get a second season if it's profitable. There's barely anime original anime and deep manga will rarely be given an adaptation. LNs are overwhelmingly trash.
And few adaptations are more than just 1:1 panel copies because they don't want to anger of original fanbase. Unfortunately, the strengths of anime are pretty different from the strengths of manga.
There's still good anime out there obviously, but there's probably about 10 anime tv shows a year truly worth being remembered. Out of what, 500 anime a year, that's not a good hit ratio.
Actual novels adaptations tend to be better on average though, because the team has more artistic freedom than manga. Shin Sekai Yori, Uchouten Kazoku, and Tatami Galaxy were all good in my book.
Posting some kinda recent short stuff I like because I don't want this whole thread to be doom and gloom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d83NUCPzjIk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RzNDZFQllA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ5QvrGxTnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUpmrnGHUjs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF55U5f8qSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-M7cvJy1IY
https://vimeo.com/39758142
>>134442066
Evangelion is Hegel and Utena is Derrida
>>134433513
That reminds me that there are a lot of people who think Toaru Accelerator's manga is dark.
>>134442066
I really don't think the "piece together the lore after the end" approach works nearly as well outside videogames.
>>134440650
NGNL was good, I mean it was a fun thing and you know what they say - "Fun things are fun"
>>134440963
Giving up on ...what, exactly?
I still think Madoka is full of well fleshed out characters.
>>134442230
Top kek. There is on average, maybe 1-2 good anime series a year, maybe 3 at best.
>>134442915
I agree.
Madoka is a girl with no self-confidence or self-esteem who desperate wants to be useful and help other people. In the end the only way she can achieve that goal is by throwing her own life away.
Homura is basically the same as Madoka, except instead of sacrificing herself for a greater good of all magical girls, Homura is blinded by her obsessive love for Madoka and is intent on martyring herself for one girl and one girl alone, rest of the universe be damned. The ultimate tragedy of Rebellion is that Homura are Madoka are very similar except for one fundamental thing, which makes it impossible for both of them to be happy at once.
Sayaka is brave and idealistic, but because of those standards is very insecure about herself. Her undoing is her inability to accept that she can to live up to her own ideals.
Kyouko is your crash-burned idealist, who throws on layer after layer of cynicism to cope with the tragic effects of her own stupid choices. However all that piled-on cynicism is just that, piled on, and when she sees Sayaka clinging desperately to her ideals Kyouko can't help but accept her own true self.
Even Mami is a girl whose loneliness and survivor's guilt make her at once gullible to Kyuubey's machinations and also overly eager to lead other girls into potentially deadly situations just to alleviate her own loneliness.
I got nothin' for Cheese Louise though.
>>134441043
OP here, I do appreciate the post thank you, I agree with that guy's explanation but I wonder if we'll see another boom in the near future.
I put "deep" in quotation marks to stave off trolls but I guess those are a given in any thread like this.
>>134442230
>those videos
Neat.
>implying the duel songs were not all leftover Tenjo Sajiki songs written by Seazar years before Utena was conceived
Utena is more shallow than most plebs realize.
>>134441860
It uses a lot of social themes and references to famous literature and philosophy as dressing for what is basically just sci-fi action. You can argue whether that's really pretentious or just adding flavor to the show, but there are plenty of people who actually think it's more deep or meaningful because of those tidbits.
>>134443784
Anon, "trolls," also known as people who disagree with you, are a given in this thread because you implied a sweeping, controversial statement about the anime industry without any evidence to back you up or even to indicate you know anything about the industry. If you want a good thread, you have to make good posts.
>>134431550
>allegorical show about lesbianism and societal conformity
>commentary on politics in the age of social media
>NGE clone
>all this year
>OP thinks they stopped making "deep" anime
>>134444398
The end was pretentious but everything until that was well done. PP was about how there can't be a perfect system for society and how things like mental illnesses and mental disorders are not such things at the end.
Just think about how much cases of OCD and autism are reported now when in most cases such things don't affect their daily lifes.
I don't know if that makes it deep but certantly makes it an interesting series.
>>134443396
>blinded
I disagree with this. Homura may love Madoka above all, but I've never seen reason that she doesn't care about everyone else as well. Otherwise she wouldn't have even bothered fighting Walpurgis Nacht, she would have just kidnapped Madoka and fled to another country or something, allowing WN to destroy the city.
>>134445978
Madoka wouldn't be happy when she wakes up and finds out all her family and friends are dead though.
>>134441738
Except no one is a virgin in Utena by the end, except maybe the blond kid.
>>134447287
I mean yeah sure, but what are you saying? Do you actually think that Homura doesn't care about anyone besides Madoka? Did you miss the part in Rebellion where she thinks about how she feels bad for Mami, or how she opted to not kill her at the end of their battle?
Not to mention that at the end of the original series she decides her new mission is to protect the new world Madoka fought for.
>>134448275
Yeah, Homura went crazy for Madoka just after she became a witch. Before that, Homura was with Madoka in her decision of saving all the magical girls, even if that hurt her.
>>134435392
Expect Madoka was a cheap shallow shitfest like all of Urobuchi's pretentious garbage. Only decent thing about Madoka was the aesthetic appeal.
>>134448699
Homura doesn't give a shit about anyone but her Madoka being happy. Homura is hella abusive and kind of psychotic when it comes to her waifu.
>>134448699
She did have a break down, yes, but her end goal never changed. She wanted to protect Madoka and ensure that she can live happily. That 's exactly what she did. Also Homura honored Madoka's original wish. When asked if destroyed the law of cycles Homura said that she only took "a small piece." She went out of her way to give everyone else a happy life as well.
>>134450096
Wow the last three sentences could be condensed into a single sentence. Fuck me.
>>134449979
She did nothing wrong.
>>134441739
It was a decent sci fi filled with poorly written characters
What is the difference between Anthy Himimiya and Homura Akemi?One is an ungrateful, backstabbing piece of shit who betrays someone who is merely trying to save her from her eternity of despair and the other one is Anthy Himemiya.
>>134442354
That's exactly how symbolism works in any cinematic media though. It's the driving force for rewatching something
>>134443227
So what you're saying is that anime has never changed?
Why is Madoka here?
>>134450626
Because Utena is about lesbians, as is Madoka.
Never trust the purple, never fucking NEVER. Pink master race!
>>134449979
Yes, after she went crazy because of Kyubey's shitty experiment.
>>134450329
The only one who did wrong was the stupid mascot. As always
>>134450396
The diference is that Anthy began as someone obsessed and crazy but ends up taking control over her own life. Meanwhile, Homura came from a healthy girl to an obsessive girl with godlike powersthanks to Rebellion, I wish that movie never existed.
>>134431550
They reached the bottom and couldn't go any deeper.
But Ping Pong aired only last year
>>134450096
>Also Homura honored Madoka's original wish.
She did not. Madoka's wish was to "...erase every which before they are born [...] with my own hands." What Homura did at the end of Rebellion was separate Madoka from the law of cycles, which steps all over her wish.
>>134443396
I think you could make a case for most of the girls having some depth to them, but Madoka as character is as flat and trite as they come.
>>134451198
She's just as deep as the rest of them, which is not much to brag about but still more depth than a puddle.
>>134451198
Madoka herself is more a plot device than a character. She being unidimensional also could be explained with her ultimate destiny of becoming a godly being, perfect (and boring) as the christian god.
>>134451439
>>134451447
Now we know about the depth, but what about tightness?
>>134451857
Pure, untouched, kissless virgin.
>>134431550
Because only a few people "got" them
Because it doesn't sell.
>>134451113
What does it matter who's doing it? The point is that her wish is still in effect, it's just that Madoka is no longer burdened by it.
>>134453615
So you would like other /a/non taking your PC and posting for you because they love you, eh?
>>134442915
Hahahahahaha.
>>134451944
Thread really went shit
>>134454708
Thanks, Madoka.
Retards post to pretend they aren't retards: the thread.
>>134451447
>becoming a godly being, perfect (and boring) as the christian god.
Somebody didn't read the OT. Yahweh is one of the most psychotic, insecure, and nonsensical characters I've ever seen.
>>134455068
That's the jewish god. Jesus pretty much retconned the OT.
>>134444953
Does Gatchaman count as deep? What about GitS SAC? Barakamon?
>>134451009
Ping pong was deep.
>>134450626
cancer has a way of showing up...
>>134455480
No. Yes. Maybe.
>>134442230
I hate to break it to you but there isn't anywhere near 500 anime produced a year.
There are also maybe 1 or 2 "good (7 to 8/10) anime produced a year. Really great anime is much more rare.
>>134455896
evafags are the original "muh shows so deep" cancer.
>>134455896
Now this post is pretty deep.
>>134455896
I love Eva and I will fall for this bait.
Eva isn't the only anime capable of critical thought or discussion out there, it itself was engaging in discourse with other mecha shows such as the original run of Gundam (Shinji being a character developed in-continuum/contrast with Amuro).
Having now fallen for said bait, I'm going to fuck off now.
>>134450396
Anthy may possibly be the best character ever. Would brush her hair and drink tea with.
I loved Adolescense as much as I love Utena
>>134440562
Why this includes some mediocre shows among utter shit?
>>134431550
They didn't stop making deep anime. Did you watch Space Dandy? They just make as much of it.
>>134431550
It doesn't sell.
>>134431550
Yes. Utena is "deep". But they can't.
>>134435392
2"deep"4u
>>134458590
nice post
>>134454776
Thanks shitposters, who can't stop blaming Madoka for the thread going to shit or shitting on people that think it has some depth.
>>134439237
The only character that had even the semblance of actual personality was Sayaka.
>>134444234
But the songs actually fit the situations if you bother intepreting them.
I still don't understand why people call Eva deep.
It's not deep. The message is incredibly simple, easy to see and effective. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
>>134460235
Tell that to those who misinterpret pretty much every character or who make the entire show out to be some waifu war. They're more common than those who actually discuss the series in depth.
The's still shows with great direction around
>>134459871
But it's true
>>134460370
What a nonsense. Subete ga F ni Naru is a very deep anime and currently airing. OP - retard.
>>134460675
this is some bait
>>134431550
i remember it differently
>>134461470
>>>/co/In all seriousness though I really liked the first short. Everything after that was retarded though.
>>134431550
Tatami Galay was pretty damn good
>>134431550
Watch Glasslip. It's so deep even the writers didn't get it.
>>134462428
Whoa, I kinda want to watch this now.
I dropped it after the first episode back when t was airing.
>>134431550
They didn't. Deep is mostly a buzzword used by people to say shows are 'smart'.
In terms of visual abstract symbolism, it is full of shows that have a wide array of that, most notably the works of studio Shaft, or the weirder episodes of Space Dandy, or Kyosogiga-Kekkai Sensen, or Ping Pong.
In terms of strong characters, you have Shirobako, Uchouten Kazoku, the Monogatari Series, Psycho Pass(only S1, 2 is shit), JoJo, Barakamon, Gin no Saji, Durarara, etc.
In terms of thematic strenght, fucking Shinsekai Yori, Mushishi, Space Dandy 10, monogatari(in particular the Hanekawa arc in SS), Psycho Pass, Gin no Saji, Usagi Drop. I think most old series are really overrated in this aspect. A prime example of that would be Monster.
In terms of atmosphere, Mushishi, Shinsekai Yori, the Makoto Shinaki movie, etc.
And that is off the top of my head, in the last couple of years. I'll give you this, most series nowadays are really fucking introspective and rely too much on character arcs. Also, most series nowadays have a limited time window(12-24 episodes), most series today convey a sense of campiness to hide stupid plot twists, and most shows today are about teenagers. Something like, idk, Angel's Egg wouldn't be possible today. But, at the same time, stuff done today would not have been possible in the past, so it is a split.
And old series are really fucking overrated. You remember one Utena, one LoGH, one Berserk, and one NGE, but you forget the whole pile of hiperviolent trash that came in the past.
>>134464054
>Angel's Egg wouldn't be possible today.
I would say that stuff like Angel's Egg does still exist, but it's done more in the space of shorts rather than complete films.
>>134440963
I'm with that anon, there's no fucking this many /a/nons have too shit taste for Madoka
>>134435812
>So like if a show explores complex ideas in a thorough and intelligent way, it should be considered deep regardless of how it appears.
Monogatari Series definitely does the former (with Owarimonogatari really reveling in it).
However, the show is not really deep, because it does it all through exposition, self narration, and tangible representation.
>>134464205
Yeah, we'd be looking at Aniexpo type stuff or indies.
>>134441442
Found the retard.
>>134464742
it did nothing interesting wrt its animation, looked sloppy, and was clearly (in the same vein as MP) a compressed version of whatever Ikuhara had planned
cool that it dared to be creative at least, but I think it's a hell of a lot easier to argue that it's a bad show than a good one
>>134464952
far from a bad show, it's mediocre at worst
>>134435392
>Madoka
>complex characters
Choose one and only one.
>>134439237
>in the anime all 5 of the main magical girls grew up and changed in a natural way.
Uhh no they didn't.
>Sucks that /a/ has such shit taste.
Sucks that you don't know what good character development is.
>>134464952
Animation wasn't "revolutionary," but visually it was quite unique compared to most shows this year and the story was easily one of the better executed ones in recent years and I never felt bored watching the show.
>>134457244
Gee, I wonder.
>>134465393
>Executed story well
Joking or not YKA really should've just been 24 episodes. There was shitall to do in the 12 since Ikuhara is much better when he has time to expand the crazy shit. He just wound up reiterating the same piece of foreshadowing over and over and over, and there was zero suspense or new hooks.
The best thing that show had were the backgrounds and Invisible Storm scenes. Should've kept a main villain since Man vs. Society is hard to keep entertaining in a show without a pivotal figure to hate on.
>>134460503
Too bad he won with a new asspull in every episode.
>>134431550
You're obviously referring to "mindfuck" anime. The answer is because Utena and NGE didn't actually make sense. If it hadn't been for their novelty and impressive visuals (yes Utena's visuals were impressive) then they never would have been successful. So really the answer is that making Lain is hard.
>>134466386
>The answer is because Utena and NGE didn't actually make sense.
You're retarded.
>Utena is deep
How?
The only fucking anime I can think of that can really be called deep is Angel's Egg, and maybe some of those artistic shorts in things like Robot Carnival or Genius Party.
>>134466386
>The answer is because Utena and NGE didn't actually make sense.
okay
>>134431550
Dunno about deep, but I'm on episode 7 of Utena and it's spicy as fuck. Anthy is such a manipulative bitch.
Animation in general is a shell of what it should be and a joke in the eyes of the general public. It's sad enough in Japan as is and even worse in the West. Intellectuals and strong talents at best make very short, simplistic animations almost no one sees because no one cares and they have no one with money backing them.
People desperately grasp at the "best" anime of today, blowing it up to something greater than it is because the reality is so pitiful.
The possibilities are limitless and the talent is out there but here we are. A joke.
>>134431550
Because no one is living anymore.
>>134466688
You're in for a hell of a ride, /a/non.
>>134431550
Deep sells like ass. Ass sales are deep.
>>134465315
one of my favourite shows this year, sure, but that's relative to the usual butt that we consume
all I'm saying is that people shouldn't be surprised when others dislike it, because it has more the makings of a bad show than a good one
>>134465393
I do like Ikuhara's direction but his vision was clearly compromised
I think it's wrong got say the story was well executed
>>134431550
Like, Boku no Pico? Yes, it's a pity.
When will that madman Ikuhara be put in charge of a 24+ episode show again?
>tfw no more anime to stroke my intellectual fedora to
I love pretentious shit and want more of it.
>>134466512
>>134466567
Both were just poorly written.
NGE was Anno's first foray into professionally writing a story, and since then he has only written a few absolute flops. It's apparent that Anno ran into many of the problems amateur writers when they're first learning how a story works. The screenplay and characterization both come off as juvenile, and everybody knows that a lot of the plot was basically made up as they went along. The story was intentionally obfuscated in an attempt to make it feel esoteric.
Is there actually a plot which makes some kind of sense underlying NGE? Can you figure out what actually happened with the impacts and Adam and Lilith and the spears and all that noise? Yes, but you're not supposed to. Not from watching the show. It's obviously designed to be experiential, and more about the characters than all this back story. And while it does deliver an experience, that experience is due to the animation, design, and direction, not the story. And the characters don't deliver.
At the end of the day the only themes really explored by NGE are that being a kid is shitty because your brain don't work good and that Shinji is Anno. If you puzzle together the actual backstory there's no grand "deep" message waiting for you. It's just standard sci-fi backdrop told in a horribly contorted way.
>>134467594
When he decides to make a high school battle harem. Incidentally that's also the day I'll get a hitman to kill the guy.
>>134466716
I think that's unfair. I mean 2015 is the weakest year (in terms of Japan) for animation I can think of, but that's not to say "in general" the amount of quality stuff is any less than it used to be.
>>134467681
>Both were just poorly written.
You're retarded.
>>134467681
>>134466512
>>134466567
Utena definitely has more going for it. There's some strong characterization and the plot kinda makes sense, and really the ending was probably the best part despite not being totally internally consistent. But the whole thing was just horribly dragged out with tons of filler. All of the conflicts started to feel arbitrary by the end, and all of the stuff in the third act just obviates almost everything from the previous acts.
My point overall is that neither show succeeded based on some "deep" story, so decrying the fall of "deep" anime and using NGE and Utena as examples is nonsensical. When people claim that these shows are "deep" it's in order to cover up the fact that their stories are poorly told. They're superficially impressive, but have little going on beneath the surface. In the case of NGE there's just nothing worthwhile being conveyed, and in Utena there are some interesting themes but they're stretched incredibly thin over the course of way too many episodes.
Again, if you're going to give an example of good "deep" anime you should probably just go with Lain.
>>134467815
Oh yeah, I guess that's true.
>>134467681
>>134467952
nice copypasta
>>134467712
>high school battle harem
That's Utena though
> Deep anime
When will the mods finally start pruning threads like this that serve no purpose aside from "things were better in the old days" shitposting?
>>134431550
they stopped making deep creators
>>134468104
I mean, if you wanna talk about things now then no one's stopping you.
It wastoo deep for you
>>134468071
Um no. It has "battles" and is set in a high school. And I guess you could say Akio has a harem. That does not a high school battle harem make. Nice comback though.
>>134467640
Which episode is that from?
I can't place it for some reason.
Is it from one of the shorts or something?
>>134437586
yes, eva is deep
>>134437778
end of eva wasn't that good. the original show ended perfectly.
>>134468501
I respect your opinion but disagree on every level.
>>134441739
dunno bout deep, but it was gay af, thats what it was...
>>134441739
A bit. It was pretty interesting though.
>>134468607
It was pretty straight.
>>134468607
gay is deep
>>134468695
episode 8
that is all
>>134469040
It was pretty straight.
>>134468607
>less than five minutes of homosexual interaction shown on screen
>all characters in straight relations at end game, or just before they die
>"omg this is some shitty fucking yaoi ewwwww degenerate nasty buttsex dropped"
>>134468943
well, that came out wrong...
the second i figured out that the show contains yaoi, i dropped it.
>>134469342
Even if t was for less than ten seconds onscreen? You're pathetic.
>>134469406
He might be insecure about the feelings yaoi gives him.
>>134469406
i dont know how much of it was onscreen, i just heard that there was going to be some gay stuff in there so i dropped it half way trough episode 4.
how am i pathetic for disliking gay stuff?
>>134469532
only feeling yaoi gives me is the feeling that i want to puke.
i find homosexual stuff absolutely repulsive
>>134469603
When there's so little of it onscreen that it makes you look pretty damn pathetic. You'd probably be too stupid to understand the rest of the show anyway because all you understood was who's fucking who. Either that or you're 14 and dealing with the uncomfortable thoughts of bumsex with your buddies, and even less than ten seconds of gay male kissing just rubs your impure thoughts in your face.
>>134469603
You're pathatic for dropping a great show because of a few plot relevant gay scenes.
>>134469671
>implying heterosexuals don't perform the exact same sex acts that gays do
Keep living in that fantasy in which straight people only go penis in vagoo in the missionary position for the purpose of making babies, anon.
deep shows like tatami galaxy, trigun, serial experiments lain, ping pong the animation, neon genesis evangelion, monster, ghost in the shell: stand alone complex, flcl, kaiji, jin rou, charcoal feather federation, kino's journey, jin-roh: the wolf brigade, boogiepop phantom, le portrait de petite cossette, the monogatari seies, blue literature, angels egg, mononoke, kaiba, alien 9, ergo proxy, gilgamesh, paranoia agent, princess tutu. ghost hound, wolf's rain and texhnolyze will always be around.
There are less and less interesting shows for the same reason there are less and less interesting video games
People have completely forgotten what makes their medium special in favor of making shit that could be done in any other medium.
>>134469831
i did not know how much of it was on screen. and im not stupid, one of my favourite books is dostohevski's ''Notes from the underground'. the show just put me off, i did not find it interesting and when i heard that there was yaoi in it, i dropped it half way trough episode 4. i got so much else to watch, so to waste time on a show that is off-putting for me is just pointless.
>>134469928
its not about sex, i dont care what kinda kinky stuff people do, i just find the idea of people from opposite sex being in love, repulsive.
>>134470435
I think you're dumb but I understand
Sorry you feel that way, anon
>>134431550
Because otaku don't appreciate it. They don't want thought-provoking, challenging art, they want the same show they watched last season with the same archetypal characters and the same plot and the same visual style. They want something comfortable and familiar because they use fiction to escape their lives, rather than enrich their lives.
>>134470501
you dont know me, so i dont care, what you think.
and i dont need your pitty, anon.
>>134470654
It's not pity, it's understanding.
Quit being a little bitch anon
>>134470649
>I'm unable to gain new experience from the comfortable and familiar
anime isn't boring
you are
They make too much anime. How can they expect anyone with a job to keep up?
>>134470654
>tons of misspelled words, awful punctuation, very few capital letters where they belong
We already knew that you were stupid, anon. Unless English isn't your native language, you come off as someone who failed grade 5 repeatedly.
It's no surprise that you were dumb enough to drop an anime because "wah, less than 5 minutes of gay interaction".
>>134470685
hey anon,
knock knock.
>>134470435
Why does love upset you, anon?
>>134470883
Just don't watch things that aren't interesting?
>>134470883
They write too many books, how do they expect anyone with a job to keep up?
>>134470942
Im Russian/Finnish and im currently studying in film school. I dont pay that much attention to grammar, while arguing with idiots.
also, dropping something that you really dislike somehow makes you dumb....interesting,,
>>134471279
>film school
>calls others idiots
>>134471030
I like love, but there can only be love between a man and a women.
>>134471279
No. You.re dumb because you completely dropped something which you could have gotten meaning out of just because "ew, gay kissing is icky".
>>134471128
But I have to watch it all.
>>134471397
Then you shouldn't have a job.
>>134471383
That doesn't exist.
>>134471352
So? .
>>134471392
I can always watch something else and get a meaning out of that show...
