Hey /a I have never watched any Fate/Stay stuff and want too, but where do I start?
Do I do Fate/Stag first then Night?
>>134117289
Read the VN. You can get it on Nyaa, then grab Mirror Moon english patch.
>>134117289
Watch Fate/Zero first, then the DEEN Fate anime, then the new UBW. You should watch it in chronological order, the story makes the most sense that way.
Fuck off and never return. The same is true for everyone giving OP actual advice.
>>134117328
Why the butthurt senpai? Just asking my anime brothers for some help.
>>134117346
>>134117311
Expanding on my post. After the VN, going through all 3 routes then watch F/Z. Then read F/HA.
After that you can do whatever, watch the UBW anime (not the movie), F/SN '06 shitty adaptation, Carnival Phantasm (relies on Tsukihime references too though), F/KL if you want your yuriloli.
Or read more Nasuverse Tsukihime/Kagetsu Tohya/Melty Blood (in same universe as Fate), watch Kara no Kyoukai (alternate).
>>134117326
So Fate/Stay season 1 then 2, then F/S Night, then the UWB season 1 then 2 for chronological order.
>>134117311
Kk that man, will have to look it up. Seen it a lot on here, think it's finally time to take the plunge.
>>134117326
>ubw after fate
>because chronological order
>>134117491
Thnx*
>>134117459
no, you have to watch Prisma Illya before Fate/Stay Night
>>134117507
How has this not been posted yet?
>>134117491
Get ready for a lot of exposition and info dumps for the first 20 hours.
>>134117564
Info dumps are mainly first half of Fate route...so like 10 hours or so.
Thnx for the replies guys, still a bit confused but I might go VN route first then watch it after.
>>134117604
If you read the VN, just about every door opens for you in what you can watch and enjoy, and it becomes much much simpler.
>>134117604
It's your best bet, since 1st episode of Fate/Zero spoils a lot of twists from the VN. Fate route is pretty slow, but HF is amazing and worth it.
Getting the VN out of the way makes things easier to watch everything else since it all relies on the VN pretty much.
>replying to bot
Retards.
>>134117604
Read the VN, we were just fucking with you.
>>134117289
Unless you have seen all good anime that exists up to this point don't bother.
>>134117873
But.....Saber....
>>134117546
The correct guide.
>>134117546
>recommending people to watch Prisma Ilya
Prisma Ilya is the disgrace of Fate franchise with its lesbian shit and empty "plot".
>muh lolis
>>134117546
Why the UBW film over uftable's UBW?
>>134118146
Because that chart is trying to meme you.
>>134117546
how come is it the first time ive seen it
>>134118221
I don't remember where I got it from, it's been awhile, probably from Beast Lair.
>>134117982
3REI arc actually is pretty good
>>134117604
Read the Visual Novel. The F/SN anime adaptations are pretty bad compared to the source material.
The main reason for this is that Nasu's writing is loaded to fuck with internal/expository dialogue. This stuff is where the character's motivations are fleshed out for the most part, and it's a much more fulfilling experience than any visual representation of these ideas, where a lot of stuff just comes off as naive.
Another reason why F/SN works so well as a VN is because the Fate route sets a slow-moving precedent, which is turned completely upside down by the UBW and HF routes. Each route is unique, taking familiar elements from the first and reinterpreting them in different ways.
Be prepared like others have said, because Fate is pretty boring compared to the other routes. Fate is exposition and setting up the basics of the Grail War, UBW is Fate kicked up to 11 and way more entertaining, Heaven's Feel takes UBW's action (albeit with some jarring slower-paced sequences) and throws in a lot of Horror elements.
OP here so the way it's sounding is that each of them, Night, Zero, and UBW all follow the same premise but have different outcomes or are a bit different from each other?
Sorry Manga/LN person here never touched a VN before.
>>134118388
Just play the VN then watch Fate/Zero you faggot
>>134118388
Zero takes place before FSN.
FSN has three routes that start the same, but very early on, branch out into significantly different narratives due to some butterfly effect stuff.
>>134118388
There is nothing called Night. Zero is a prequel to the 3 routes of F/SN, and UBW is the 2nd route of F/SN.
The F/SN VN is three routes - Fate, UBW and HF. Intended to be read in that order. All three routes start off the same, but end up very very different. See >>134118302
Zero is the prequel and shows the events leading up and hinted at during F/SN, needs to be watched after as the ending relies on HF information.
Fate/Hollow Ataraxia VN is the sequel F/SN, it merges all three routes but you won't know how or understand why until near the end. It's a fandisk VN so its a LOT of SoL/comedy until it reaches the plot.
Just get through F/SN VN + Zero first.
>>134118388
Zero is a prequel to F/SN. Don't touch that until after you've finished the VN.
Fate and UBW are routes in the Fate/Stay Night Visual Novel, along with Heavens Feel. Each route starts the same, and then based on choices you make in the story, it branches off in vastly different directions. You play through Fate to unlock UBW, then UBW to unlock HF.
It's pretty simple, really. Finish every route in the VN (use a guide, obviously) and then watch Fate/Zero.
>>134118468
Thanks for the clear up lol, bit confusing, downloading the VN as I'm typing this.
>>134118526
>You play through Fate to unlock UBW, then UBW to unlock HF.
Well tbf, Realta Nua doesn't do that original method, since it splits the three routes into seperate .exe's, but same point still that they should be played in order.
Also agree, use the flowchart to get all the endings.
Once you have all 5 endings (1 for Fate, 2 for UBW, 2 for HF) OP >>134118388, Last Episode unlocks which is continues the ending for Fate if you have the Realta Nua version of the VN.
>>134118388
VNs are total trash, you're being baited into reading that shit.
>>134118572
I really don't think he should be playing Realta Nua, especially with the sex scenes in HF playing such a big role.
Struggling through the fuckawful and awkward 18+ stuff makes life a lot easier.
>>134118643
Mirror Moon patch which I told him to get adds them back in.
>>134118643
The current patch allows you to view all the content, the sex scenes, and the censored scenes. It even lets you switch between the OG soundtrack, and the 2012 mix.
It's honestly the definitive way to read it now.
>>134118617
Lies!
>>134118708
>>134118664
Apologies. Disregard my comment.
>>134118708
Whoa whoa here there's sex scenes in this, dont tell me this is a romance wjth action thrown in, not a huge romance fan is there a lot of it or more action etc.?
Search for the DLCs too, OP.
>>134118759
Each route focuses on separate heroines - hence all the waifu wars in Fate.
It's not much romance really, it's all about the action but romance comes with it for Shirou's actions.
Few sex scenes in each route, that are horribly written but funny at the same time. In HF, they're pretty important though.
>>134118759
Trust me when I say that F/SN's romance stuff is pretty above-par as far as weebshit goes, though that might not be saying much.
There is no shortage of action or "badass" characters whatsoever. There are genuinely interesting plot developments and TWEESTs that will keep you hooked all along the way, F/SN definitely isn't just some romance sim.
>>134117289
If you like to think of yourself as a sensible adult person, then only watch the Fate/Zero anime and ignore everything else.
Any Fate weenies who tell you otherwise are deluded kidults.
>>134117289
watch only zero, it was written by superior writer.
>>134118950
>>134118994
Secondaries are here.
>>134118950
>>134118994
Hey, it's the Netflix watching Zero normies.
Crispin Freeman is such a great Kirei, isn't he?
>>134119027
>>134119055
Hello, deluded kidults.
>>134118759
"Sex scenes"
>>134118950
>>134118994
>>134119027
>>134119055
You are all fucking idiots. Now all that's left is for a Tsukihime faggot to come in and piss about as well about how his edgy shounen-trash is better than everybody else's edgy shounen-trash.
Remember when TM threads were fun?
>>134119136
>Fate/Zero is shounen trash
This is what's wrong with /a/.
>>134119136
Arcuied best TM char
>>134119136
>edgy shounen-trash
>>134119234
It's a light novel, anon. It's intended for teenagers and little boys.
>>134119234
Do you seriously think your SUPER SERIOUSSSS conflict predicated on magicians summoning big magical heroes isn't childish? Fuck me.
I will cede that Zero's storytelling is very good for what it is, but it's still shounen. That doesn't mean it's bad.
>>134119332
Neither FSN or Zero fall under being "shonen".
Shonen is a demographic used in manga for kids under 14.
FSN, even when censored, is rated 15+ with CERO.
>>134117982
>a Fatefag that hates c/u/ck shit
I gazed upon this thread and knew my nigger was in it.i lost the actual cap help
>>134119307
I was explicitly talking about the anime because I haven't read the LN, and even then I'm fairly sure it's aimed at teenagers and young adults.
I'm pretty sure little boys would be super interested in listening to long talks about differing ideals and dream-crashing tragedies though.
Fuck, even FSN isn't "shounen," it's for horny teenagers, I wonder what some idiots are smoking.
>>134119332
I take it LOTR is childish too then. In any case, I enjoyed F/Z for the story and characters mainly. The originality in Kiritsugu's way of fighting e.g. Kayneth was pretty interesting too though.
>>134119474
>it's for horny teenagers
Nigger you'd be the most zen teenager in the world if you read 800k words for half a dozen short mediocre sex scenes.
>>134119551
Fuck I just looked up the word count, had no idea it was that long while I went through it.
>>134119474
Europoor here. You are correct, kids here are educated.
Let me guess. Baltimore?
>>134119678
>Fate is the longest route
Well fuck. Didnt get that impression when playing it. Guess its all that world and setting building.
Saber > Rin
>>134119694
I don't understand your post anon.
I'm in Germany.
>>134119718
The way Mirror Moon divided the count up is that the first three days are added to Fate's numbers, so realistically, it probably ends up a tiny bit below HF, but I can't personally verify.
So Nasu-fag, should I read FS/N first or Tsukihime?
>>134119737
Rude.
>>134119759
You can do either. F/SN VN has aged better than Tsukihime though because of Realta Nua's release.
>>134119759
If you're down for it, start with Tsukihime, but there's no harm in beginning with Fate.
>>134119474
>Fuck, even FSN isn't "shounen," it's for horny teenagers, I wonder what some idiots are smoking.
>H-scenes make up less than 3% of the narrative
Anyone who has ever parroted this is just fucking retarded. Nobody has ever played this game for the H-scenes. Some may like them, some may hate them but nobody ever played for them.
There are much better games to play if you are after nukige. Majikoi for example. Hell, even Muv Luv has more H-content than F/SN
>>134119754
Ah, that makes sense.
>>134119759
Read whichever one appeals to you more. You'll end up reading both of them if you like the first one.
F/SN haD a much higher budget and it is a lot more polished. Its soundtrack, sprite art and CGs are far better. It depends on if you want to start on the "older and rougher" game first and move onto the more polished one or visa versa.
>>134119759
>nasufag
He's just a parrot.
>>134119778
>>134119794
Then, I'll read tsukihime first because it's more shorter than fs/n.
>>134119805
>It's for everyone; there's only a few sex scenes
>I'm a non-smoker; only a few cigarettes
>>134119883
Make sure to read the sequels for Tsukihime too; Kagetsu Tohya & Melty Blood.
Once you finish that and F/SN, F/Z, and F/HA you can watch Carnival Phantasm and get all the jokes/references.
>>134119883
Good choice, enjoy the ride friend.
>>134119900
This is the worst fucking analogy ever, you dumbfuck greentexting memester.
>>134119900
Does porn kill you anon? Do you have a condition?
If that's the case, I would suggest getting off this site.
>>134119551
You're vastly underestimating horny teenagers.
>>134119805
Fine, I'll take your word for it.
Pretty much all the characters/plot are retarded and made for horny teenager gratification anyway. "I'm the Heroic Spirit of the King of Knights and ruler of Britain, and I just totally fell in love with you squeeeeak!" "I'm actually exactly 18 years old but since I'm a homunculus my body didn't develop in the last ten years so that's the only reason I look like an 8 year old. BTW I fell in love with you." "I'm a powerful, determined, responsible mage and overall got my shit together but WE HAVE TO TRANSFER MANA IMMEDIATELY IF YOU GET WHAT I MEAN."
Thank Urobuchi for Fate/Zero, fuck Nasu and Type-Moon for indulging in the most ridiculous sexualization for cheap profit.
>>134119900
>anything with adult content ever makes it for "horney people"
Are you lamely trying to bait or do you actually believe the shit you are posting?
>>134119951
>made for horny teenager gratification anyway
>any work of fiction ever that ever has romantic developments is "made for horny teenage gratification"
You are jumping from one retarded statement to another now, friendo.
>>134119912
Kirei is definitely best.
>>134119911
Got it. Thanks
>>134119912
Thanks, anon.
>>134119951
Do you even know anything about FSN? Cause Ilya doesn't have any sex scenes, and isn't really sexualized at all, unless you count Prisma, but that's not Nasu.
>>134119951
I know this is terrible bait but I'll debunk you
-Saber's love for Shirou took an entire route to develop and mainly stems from how they both essentially believe the same thing and can point out the flaws in the other's beliefs whilst failing to acknowledge their own
-Ilya is 20+ and at no point in the novel is she romantically interested in Shirou
-Sex for energy exchange or for contract establishment has been a thing ever since the occult first came to notice.You are thousands too late to attack that part or magecraft lore. It isnt something Nasu made up on his own, he took it from long established occult rituals
Here, have some Archer smirking at your stupidity.
>>134119951
Urobutcher is just as hacky as Nasu in many ways. Kerry's entire ideology was absolutely fucking naive, and very poorly established. At least F/SN went to great lengths to point out why Shirou was full of shit in everything he said and did.
Why don't you actually finish F/SN before you talk about it? Or at least expound on why it's shit beyond "SEX IS IMMATURE XDDD"
>>134120080
>At least F/SN went to great lengths to point out why Shirou was full of shit in everything he said and did
But Shirou's ideals are validated. I mean what the fuck do you think the entire point of UBW was?
>>134120080
>Or at least expound on why it's shit beyond "SEX IS IMMATURE XDDD"
Welcome to modern Americans. Ultraviolence is A-OK but god fucking help you if you even refer to sexual themes.
>>134120111
>But Shirou's ideals are validated.
No they arnt. The entire point of UBW was Shirou accepting his ideals were deeply flawed and yet following them anyways as they are by themselves an admirable and beautiful thing to strive for.
>>134119883
Okay this is another kettle of fish all together.
Tsukihime was Type Moon's first VN effort sold at Comiket, so the art is terrible and the soundtrack is monotonous. Arcueid's route is a bit boring as well, but beyond that it's all gravy. Very dark, very cool. But don't expect to be blown away with the production values.
>>134120111
They absolutely fucking aren't, you idiot. The entire point of UBW was Shirou confronting his ideals and how full of shit he is.
Did you pay any attention at all?
>>134120156
Those index fingers, why are they so long?
>>134120143
The ideal is flawed because it's likely impossible for any person to properly live it out, but it's not wrong. One of the biggest takeaways from the route is that "it's not a mistake".
>>134120202
He's not full of shit, though. There's nothing wrong with wanting to help other people.
>>134120248
Early Takeuchi.
>>134120202
I mean fuck, dude. One of the last lines from Archer talks about how Shirou was right, no matter how much he may regret the path he took.
>>134120260
Its not a mistake "for him".
Its a subjective thing, anon. He assesses his ideals, identifies their glaring contradictioons but still pursues them as he does not believe he is mistaken in idolising them.
Shirou's views of his ideals accross the VN are all subjective as fuck, anon.
>>134120292
Archer would say that as he is Shirou, anon. And as with Shirou when he got past his angst and assessed his believes he too saw the subjective beauty in them
I just finished with everything relevant and I can assure you, it doesn't fucking matter with what you start as long as you're not a fucktard and can piece everything together.
>>134120328
I don't see how wanting to seek a world where no one is hurt is "highly subjective". Naive and simplistic, quite possibly, but I would never say what Shirou wants to achieve is controversial.
It's the means he goes about trying to achieve his dream that's the big thing. Rampant self-sacrifice, eventually having to take lives to save others, these are the types of things that cause people to disagree with Shirou, but the dream itself is not wrong.
>>134120404
>I don't see how wanting to seek a world where no one is hurt is "highly subjective".
Because it is impossible to obtain without sacrificing what makes people human. Angry Manjew explained that completely to Kerry.
>>134120463
Yes, and that's addressed. Shirou is okay with taking up that mantle and living the life of a machine.
It's not an easy path he's walking, but it's one he knows is right. He will do his best to save everyone, even though he knows there will likely be points where he'll have to make hard decisions.
>>134119987
>romantic developments
That's a really nice way to put it anon.
I'm afraid I wouldn't say FSN contains "romantic developments" though. I would say it contains pandering for horny teenagers. Almost worse than the compulsory "romance" subplot in every fucking Hollywood movie ever.
>>134120003
I didn't say Illya specifically was "sexualized" but in the context of a galgame I don't know how else the players are supposed to see her when she "falls in love" with Shirou.
>>134120073
How fucking deluded are you?
Saber's romance with Shirou and her forced feminization is fucking retarded no matter how you look at it.
From a quick Google:
>By the time she is eight years old, Kiritsugu notes that his Walther rifle is heavier than Illya is. A decade later, when Illya meets Shirou Emiya, she still looks as though she's a young girl rather than a young woman.
So exactly as I was remembering; her body stops developing at approximately the age of 8 (given she looks similar in F/Z and F/SN), and she's 18 by the time of F/SN.
The fact that sex has been ritualized in other fiction does not make the sex in F/SN any less retarded.
But keep on telling yourself that your ridiculously juvenile horny-teenager game is something deserving credibility.
>>134120080
>"SEX IS IMMATURE XDDD"
The sexuality in F/SN is incredibly fucking immature.
If you want mature sexual content go read Ice & Fire.
>>134117289
Don't watch it, it's naruto-tier garbage.
>>134120511
Its end point isnt right at all though. Angry Manjew went out of his way to point that out.
Not that Shirou or anyone else could ever obtain it but if you get rid of a world where "nobody is hurt" then you can say goodby to human development and hello to complete stagnation and decay.
>>134120533
>when she "falls in love" with Shirou
She doesn't, though. She's his sister. There is no romance between Ilya and Shirou.
Have you actually read FSN?
>>134120533
>I'm afraid I wouldn't say FSN contains "romantic developments" though.
According to your above posts you havnt even read it you stupid cunt.
If you want to bait thats fine but at least go about it intelligently.
>>134120535
Lol OP here working to get this VN to work atm, glad threads still up lol
>>134120533
>this post
>replying to multiple people who have called him out on his utter stupidity
>somehow makes himself look even more retarded
Gotta say anon, thats a real skill you have there.
>>134120589
Start avoided posts, there's spoilers everywhere OP.
Did you get the Mirror Moon patch installed?
>>134120533
>gets btfo
>b-b-but muh h-horny teenage m-meme
Are you having fun getting told off?
>>134120533
>If you want mature sexual content go read Ice & Fire
Not sure if you are serious but it gave me a laugh at any rate.
>>134120589
>lol
Knock that shit off.
>>134120555
Shirou wants a world where everyone can he happy and there doesn't have to be suffering.
Just like how Kerry was hoping the grail would bypass any kind of ridiculous monkey paw business, Shirou isn't thinking about any of the more pointless philosophical aspects of his ideal. He readily knows he can't save everyone, he witnesses a future where pain and suffering is all around him, and a chunk of it is caused by his own hand.
He's okay with living that future though if his actions produce more good than bad.
I mean ultimately Kerry probably did more good than bad, despite his suffering and mistakes.
>>134117982
>Prisma Ilya is the disgrace of Fate franchise with its lesbian shit and empty "plot".
More like the franchise showing its true colors yeah?
>>134120700
Its still a subjective belief, anon.
>>134120579
>>134120608
>>134120636
>lol u so dumb
This is how far /a/ has fallen huh.
Being too much of an idiot to understand the nuance in choice of words like "romantic development" vs. "pandering to horny teenagers." Acting like a hissy 12 year-old repeating "lol u got told" instead of providing actual replies.
This is exactly what I was warning OP about.
Deluded F/SN kidults.
>>134120662
Yes, I much prefer the writing of a middle-aged woman with decades of first-hand sexual experience with all sorts of people to what started out as the fantasies of an adolescent boy.
Granted, it's not nearly as fun to read the experiences of someone molested at 9, lived through prostitution, lived through battering, etc., but please don't put F/SN and sexual maturity within a proximity of ten miles.
>>134120737
Not really, since its a spinoff that has nothing to do with TM.
I can see you were trying desperately to look smart and sardonic with that post, but it didnt really work, yeah?
>>134120589
Here on /a/ when you shit on fate they tell you to read the vn or call you secondary, but the truth is that for true vn players fate is known as " the naruto of visual novels".
>>134120743
Seeking a world where people can be happy and there's no real suffering is not a particularly controversial belief though.
Shirou wants to make the world a better place, I think ultimately that's something, unless you're deranged or a nihilist, most people can get behind.
>>134120634
Not yet for some reason when I try to install the VN it starts then just stops randomly, in checking to see if its running in the background but its not, might reboot comp and see what happens
>>134120757
>Nobody fighting your coner
>btfo by facts with every post
>"it cant be me thats wrong! /a/ is just being mean to me"
Again, if this is bait there are more classy ways to go about it than this.
And you have still failed to qualify your "horny teenager" meme as anything other than your favourite buzzterm with no actual meaning and relevance.
>>134120757
>load more adult content in Fire and Ice
>none of it advances the plot
>none of it adds to the characters
>all of it is terribly written by an old, fat man who's last sexual liason is clearly somewhere back in the 70s
B-but there's incest! T-thats deep and dark and mature like myself!
>>134120805
You grabbed the Realta Nua version correct?
Install the patch once you finish downloading that. https://www.reddit.com/r/fatestaynight/comments/3bpfwo/fatestay_night_vn_installation_guide_ii/
This install guide should help, inb4 >leddit
>>134120763
>I can see you were trying desperately to look smart and sardonic with that post, but it didnt really work, yeah?
Fate fans in a nutshell everyone. They like to pretend that they have mind-reading powers, though they like to think they're right even when they're wrong.
>>134120922
But considering your snide remark has no basis in anything and was easily counterable, I think its safe to say that you got btfo.
>>134117289
Just watch the Ufotable anime as outlined: Fate/Zero, then the UBW anime, then wait for the Heaven's Feel movie/s. Can't go wrong with the anime release order.
>>134120950
>safe to say
I love that you're still trying, really I do.
>>134121005
Please anon, for the benefit of all of us here try and explain your point.
>>134121005
>btfo
>still trying to have the last word
This is getting unsightly now, yeah?
>>134120880
Still not working? Downloading onto my laptop atm too see. Thnx for the guide too I'll bypass my hatred and venture to reddit land for a few seconds
>>134121074
>atm
>thnx
Stop typing like you are on facebook.
>>134120880
And yeah that's the one I downloaded.
>>134120533
>I would say it contains pandering for horny teenagers
Fun fact: "Romantic Developments" are synonymous with "pandering for horny teenagers". Back up your bullshit with some demonstrable merit, and stop spouting buzzwords. If you found the interactions between Shirou and Saber to be unrealistic, or underdeveloped, then try to be a bit more specific.
>Saber's romance with Shirou and her forced feminization is fucking retarded no matter how you look at it.
This is just your opinion. You haven't done much to convince anybody otherwise other than browbeat like some hysterical Tumblr-frequenting cum repository.
>The sexuality in F/SN is incredibly fucking immature.
Literally nobody was saying otherwise you fucking idiot.
>>134121074
>>134121114
Are you trying to run it without applying the crack/patch? That won't work unless your locale is also set to JP iirc.
If you don't have the patch installed, follow that guide get it installed and try again.
>>134120922
Sounds like you're projecting. Let me guess, you thought you could read minds with your Ninjutsu.
That wasn't mindreading, by the way. You're just predictable.
>>134121037
>>134121062
Nasu considers Prisma Illya to be the Illya route, so that's basically as canon as it gets.Keep biting anons, just keep biting, we're almost there.
I don't get why people always say to watch Fate/Zero then not watch anything else as though Zero is some masterpiece and the rest is dogshit. I'm not even that big into Fate, I only got into it recently but while Stay Night is definitely mediocre it still has its good parts, it just has a lot of problems.
But with that said, it's the same for Zero. It's an okay series with some really good parts but a lot of problems still. It's definitely better then Stay Night in some ways but is worse in other ways. Why do people always act so superior about it? I genuinely don't get it.
>>134121143
Will do, roommates and I went over our 800gb monthly limit so provider is throttling our Internet "at the moment" so it'll take awhile
>>134121180
Nasu doesnt consider it to be anything other than a silly spinoff.
He doesnt care about it since it gives him money in which he can use to play Bloodborne some more
>>134121181
>I don't get why people always say to watch Fate/Zero then not watch anything else as though Zero is some masterpiece and the rest is dogshit
Only shitposters say this.
>>134121181
I honestly don't know.
I watched Zero after reading FSN, without any of the real hype behind it, and I just thought it was alright. Like a pretty good spin off.
But there are people who just fucking swear by it, and I don't really understand.
>>134121226
Different anon, but what's Bloodborne?
>>134121181
Zero honestly is really lacklustre without the references you learn from HF. The ending of Zero itself you don't understand all of the implications unless you've finished HF.
>>134121181
>I don't get why people always say to watch Fate/Zero then not watch anything else as though Zero is some masterpiece and the rest is dogshit
Easy shitposting tactic trying to play one off against the other. Probably works on the anime-only fags.
Anyone who is actually a fan of TM generally likes both. Both the VN and the prequel LN were extremely well received. They are both in the same vein and both set in the same universe under similar conditions so actually liking one and not the other is pretty rare and pretty silly.
>>134121275
/v/ here. It's a shitty Cock Souls-style(well it is the same company that made Dark Souls, so there's that) game that Sonyggers cling to when defending the Nogamestation 4.
>>134121275
PS4 game from From Soft, like Dark Souls. Google anon.
>>134121275
Shitty Dark Souls rip off for ps4 console peasents.
>>134118302
Bullshit. Op you'll enjoy fate the most if you like saber.
>>134121318
That would be ideal but I've seen some VN fans literally argue that the LN is pointless since it just covers what you already know from HF, even arguing that most of Kerry's story and Kirei's development are just useless fluff (no I shit you not).
>>134121398
Shirou in Fate route may make you hate it though.
>>134121417
Beast Lair is usually just a better place in general to discuss nasuverse stuff, but even there I see F/SN vs F/Z bullshit.
>>134121398
What exactly about my post was bullshit?
If you seriously think Fate has storytelling ambitions beyond UBW and HF just because you like Saber more, I don't know what to tell you.
Is Last Episode the canon end of the VN?
This is sure to piss UBW and HF fags.
>>134121485
How do you even come to that conclusion? It's simply just the continuation of Fate's ending because Takuechi wanted Saber to have a proper ending.
This is bait but w.e
>>134121132
>"Romantic Developments" are synonymous with "pandering for horny teenagers"
I left /a/ a while ago exactly because I can't stand sharing a board with people who would say things as idiotic as this. Looks like nothing has changed.
Someone please for the love of gods reveal me an anime community that isn't chock full of idiots.
>>134121485
No anon, unless UBW and HF Shirou somehow managed to relieve the entirety of the 5th War and do everything like Fate Shirou did.
We already know about UBW Shirou's ending regardless. He goes on to surpass Archer.
>>134121524
>anime community
>full of idiots
Sorry to disappoint you but you can't have one without the other.
>>134121524
I think you've missed my point. "Pandering for horny teenagers" is a broad, lazy critique which can be applied to anything anyone may dislike about any kind of "romantic development".
Be more specific.
>>134121524
I'm sorry but you belong here because you're an idiot as well. Forced romance and feminization of Saber? Pandering to horny teenagers? When I was a horny teenager I fapped to porn hentai not read VNs.
>>134121132
>Fun fact: "Romantic Developments" are synonymous with "pandering for horny teenagers".
I was with you on most of your points but this one particular statement is pretty retarded.
>>134121563
Uh in UBW it was explained in the adaptation that he might get further but in the end still suffer the same fate as Archer. Rin knew Archer was right and even Saber realized it. Shirou's reason to go on with the impossible and conflicting wish to save everyone and eliminate suffering was justified by him only because the wish itself for such a world isn't wrong.
>>134121825
quality writing
>>134121818
Show me one example of "pandering for horny teenagers" that doesn't involve "romantic developments".
>>134121485
Every end in the VN is a "canon" end. Even the Bad Ends.
All or as legitimate and as valid as the other. LE is seen as the "proper happy end" of the Fate route but thats about it.
>>134121856
My post or UBW? I sense sarcasm in your post so If you mean UBW i agree.
>>134121915
UBW
>>134121915
Ufotable fucked up Nasu's draft for that scene desu.
>>134121524
>EVERYONE IS WRONG BUT ME!
Have you considered the strong chance that its yourself whos retarded and everyone else is on the same page correcting you?
The amount of shitty buzzwords you have used doesnt suggest that you are that intelligent, really.
>>134121825
No, its pretty clear that he wont suffer the same fate as Archer.
He might go down a similar path but he is armed with knowledge of a possible conclusion and has Rin there to support him.
Archer didnt have any support nor did he have his future self to put things in any perspective for him.
Besides, none of the routes shown have any gurantee that "Shirou ends up like Archer". There is a low possibility in all of them but none are at all certain. Fate Shirou has the highest chance of "becomming similar to Archer" but as we know Fate Shirou gets to Avalon and spends eternity cuddling Saber.
>>134122082
Expanding on this, with Nasu's recent interview he mentioned that the potential Good route of Fate would be where Archer ended up from. Where it plays out similar to Fate, but Shirou doesn't become romantically involved with Saber.
>>134122082
Well yes only in UBW he would end up as Archer. But what do you mean come with a conclusion? With such an impossible wish the only conclusion is to give up or kill yourself. Shirou must be the most retarded fictional character i've ever heard of.
OP here, thanks everyone for the info and the help with the VN. Pretty sure I got it working now, about to start, just want to thank my fellow /a/nons for the help. After VN it'll probably go for Zero, then UWB.
>>134122405
Good to hear it's working OP (anon here from the start). Enjoy!
>>134122231
> But what do you mean come with a conclusion?
Archer is the logical conclusion of Shirou's ideals. Or at least his power and fighting style are
