Is there a tv anime that is better animated than Hyouka? without counting ovas and movies obviously.
This shit is beautiful.
>>134108615
Monogatari and the Fate series by ufotable are way better not only than Hyouka but anything by Kyoannus.
KyoAni is overrated as fuck. They animate moeblob character designs on 4's.
Lets see them animate well detailed characters smoothly like in One Punch Man.
>>134108687
>Monogatari
>99% stills
>at the end of each season there's one well animated action scene
you're retarded
>>134108720
Hey, can I ask you something, when did you start watching anime
>>134108687
>>134108780
How does it feel,anon, being that wrong?
>>134108615
easy
Nichijou or Hyouka? Choose your side.
>>134108615
Space Dandy and YZQ Hana no Uta just off the top of my head
As far as KyoAni goes, Nichijou and Hibike are both at least comparable to Hyouka's quality
>>134108780
Not really, I just wanted to get rid of the Shaft and ufotablefags. Still you have this retarded >>134108720
>>134108687
>Shaft
>good at animation
>>134108950
>Shaft
>good at storytelling
>>134108687
>Monogatari
>Haremshit for those who won't cop to their love of haremshit
Yeahok senpai
>>134108903
Hibike really isn't on the same level
>>134108891
Thanks for the giggle
>>134108615
>better animated
There are plenty, Hyouka does not have particularly good animation.
Pretty sure you're talking about art, in which you would be hard pressed to find a TV series as good as Hyouka.
Kyoani is talented as fuck. Doesn't mean their shows are necessarily good, but at the very least you can almost always expect some eye candy.
>ITT : Thinly veiled rec thread
>>134109024
That was a joke but Macross has better sequences than anything posted in this thread except maybe Dandy
though it has overall worse animation than everything else too
>>134109035
>does not have particularly good animation.
Nigga what? Are you fucking blind? Oh, let me guess, for you good animation only means action scenes.
>>134108904
>I was only pretending to be retarded
Dennou Coil.
>>134109010
It really isn't. However, in Hibike's defense, while Hyouka looks better in still shots 100% of the time, Hibike is just as well animated as it.
>>134109084
>Every discussion is a thinly veiled rec thread
>>134108687
>Fate
hahahahahaha
>>134109227
We need to start blocking show names and all images on here
Only vague discussion allowed, to keep out all the newfriends.
>>134109129
he's wrong in saying that Hyouka isn't well animated but he's right everywhere else
it's certainly the best produced two cour show I can think of
only contenders I could name are like dennou coil, ttgl, nichijou and k-on
>>134109227
>bored_anime_girl.jpg
>>134109333
i cant believe x killed y
>>134108615
>all these faggots missing "animated" from OP's question
Didn't your teachers tell you guys to always "read the question carefully"?
>>134109419
thanks for spoiling it fucking asshole
>>134109451
no you retard he's not talking about ab he's talking about z
where c kills a
>>134108720
IIRC Dissaperance had the most 1s animation since the digital replaced the cell according to interviews so yeah there is that.
>>134109419
Y didn't actually die you moron. Can't you follow a basic plot?
>>134108964
It's much more intellectual and well written than the average harem and most other anime for that matter. Denying this means you're just a blind hater.
>>134109544
sure thing buddy
>>134108615
Too bad it's shit.
>>134109227
>Anime girl.jpg
You fuckoff niger
>>134109544
>much more intellectual
>>134109544
>most other harems
I'll give you that. They don't set a high bar anyways
>most other anime
You're a literal nigger
>>134109140
based madhouse
>>134109520
Nuh uh, Redline is better.
>>134109333
What the purpose of this thread dumbfuck?
>My dick better than all of yours
>>134109544
>much more intellectual and well written
>>134109084
I think we should just allow rec threads on /a/ because it will stop newfags like this from trying to fit in by citing a rule they learned last week
Fight sequences: OPM
Art style: I dunno, Terror in Resonance maybe
>>134109520
Dissaperance only has that one scene, there are many better animated movies you nigger
>>134109544
>much more intellectual
Does every shaftfag believe this?
>>134109627
Yeah I'm sure you know the count of the frames more than the people who actually drew the thing right?
>>134109622
You mean based Iso right?
>>134109677
and i think you should fuck off back to MAL
this is now a Webm thread
>>134109638
What's the purpose of existence, anon?
>>134109751
7 years hand drawn, faggot.
>>134109757
>>134109700
Steamboy is better in the animation department but I wouldn't think that the producer would go on spouting bullshit in interviews.
>>134109800
Good goy.
>>134109836
I know you're mad about /new/ being gone, but it's no reason to shitpost here.
>>134109544
>Shaft shows
stylistic/artsy? yes
intellectual? no
Kyokai no Kanata
>>134109544
>This is what Shaftfags actually believe
>>134109544
>Monogatari
>Intellectual
lots of words =/= intellectual
Monogatari just goes features a ton of largely aimless banter
>>134110078
Fluffy does not mean good
>>134110205
It's better than Gary Stu solving shitty high school mysteries. It's funny how Hyouka introduces Chitanda as the top of her class academically, yet she's the dumbest fucking bitch in all of anime.
>>134110334
>It's funny how Hyouka introduces Chitanda as the top of her class academically, yet she's the dumbest fucking bitch in all of anime.
That's just a stupidly common anime trope though. If you can't tolerate dumb tropes how do you tolerate anime?
Also that's not even to do with animation
>>134108687
>fate series by ufotable
This must be a joke
>>134109572
>>134109601
>>134109611
>>134109639
>>134109713
>>134109933
>>134110200
Jesus fuck, /a/, have you gotten this easy to ruse?
>>134109597
>>134109402
I saved it from here, but it's easier to browse my reaction image folder if instead of numbers I just call it the emotion I trying to convey with said image.
Why does it triggers people so much?
>>134109796
>>134109757
These are from ovas though.
>>134110512
>curious_kill_me_baby_girl.png
>>134110334
chitanda is more of a plot device than a character, which, sure that's a fine criticism, but she has a job within the narrative which she fulfills well
in general though you have bad taste
>>134108615
It's a quite good scene actually
They capture really well the water physics
See how he slowly sink when she just jump on him? The fact the movement seem clunky cause she can't jump really well since she's in water.
I can pratically hear the sound just by looking
Really good
>>134109140
>>134109402
>Dennou Coil.
Glad someone beat me to it. Boring as fuck but beautiful and comfy.
>>134110334
Ignoring how everything you said was stupid and terrible, what the dick does any of that have to do with the animation of the show?
>>134110334
You can be incredibly booksmart but terrible at lateral thinking, you know. This entire post just reads to me as 'I didn't get it, so it sucks!' Hyouka isn't even a complicated story, you fucking moron.
>>134110616
Chitanda has plenty of depth, her character is literally entirely explained in the last episode. Just because her purpose in the story is to drive the mystery, doesn't mean she is only a plot device.
>>134108904
>Getting rid of ufotable.
>>134109402
>TTGL
>>134111198
sure, but I don't think she develops as a character in the same way or to the same extent as the other three
I worded it poorly maybe, but the way I see it is that her primary role is that of a counterpart to Oreki, representing his suppressed desires and serving as a catalyst for his growth
In straight up visuals and animation, objectively yeah Hyouka easily takes the cake.
Shame it was boring as fuck.
Other Kyoani shows are up there but not as high quality as Hyouka.
If you count movies, then K-On! movie is Kyoani's highest quality work.
>>134111303
meme all you want but a massive amount of talent went into that show
you can cherrypick bad examples but the overwhelming impression the show gives is a positive one
>>134111402
TTGL looked like shit a lot of times, and it looked good in others.
Can't speak for anything past episode 9 though, as I dropped that turd.
Yozakura quartet has more sakuga but hyouka looks way better.
>>134108687
Pretty much this. Also OPM >>>> anything kyoanus. Based freelancers.
>>134111353
I'll agree with that, I still think her character is an interesting one though. The 'sheltered ojou-sama that wants to learn more' isn't exactly unique or groundbreaking, but I thought the way they go about revealing her character was great. I always saw her as the biggest mystery in the series, with only bits and pieces of insight into her person beyond KININARIMASU being revealed gradually before the final piece of the puzzle clicks into place in that last episode.
>>134108615
did they fug?
>>134108615
Cowboy Bebop.
ITT: People ignoring the "better animated" part of the post
>>134111496
bait
>>134112071
not that guy, but in the five minutes per episode where OPM shines, it really, really shines
I think those specific cuts could easily compare to or surpass the best of kyoani
looks like ass the rest of the time though, too bad
>>134112188
Kyoani is relatively consistent though. Random 5 minute sakuga isn't something exclusive to madhouse, pretty much every studio does that.
>>134108687
I'm probably the biggest Shaft fanboy on planet Earth and I laughed at that one.
There's a different between art direction and animation OP.
This show for example is far better animated then a lot of stuff in Hyouka, but you might think Hyouka's art direction is superior which is why you might be tricked into thinking the quality of its animation is better too.
>>134112223
oh I agree re. consistency
studios aside though, very few recent shows that I can think of have the level and frequency of excellent animation that OPM does
>>134108615
As far as animation goes, Kyoani has nothing on Trigger.
>>134112278
Is YQ popular in Japan? How did it end up with such good animation?
>>134108687
lol go away
>>134112532
>How did it end up with such good animation?
Talented and enthusiast people
>>134111303
This scene was clearly on purpose, should have posted episode 4
>>134112805
n-nuh uh animation is based on budget a-and if an anime has bad animation it has low budget and im a gay nerd
>>134108615
Anything by deen really, they got a top notch team
>>134108687
maybe fate/zero but monogatari and stay night have nothing special going for them in animation.
>>134112532
Its a combination of >>134112805 (young new animator talent, combined with the use of some revolutionary animating techniques. Its one of the first examples of a anime made entirely digitally (they drew their keyframes in a program like flash). The benefit of this is you can do real time playback/onion skinning to really refine your animation without the guesswork you get by doing it on paper. This means overall they could produce cleaner, more ambitious animation then most shows can with a similar budget.
Yozakura Quartet, Space Dandy, Ping Pong and Birdy Decode have all used this technique and are considered some of the best animation in anime for this millennium.
>>134113523
What the hell? Why don't more anime artists draw keyframes digitally if it really improves the animation?
>>134113523
Where does one learn more about this kind of animation?
>>134108615
Almost anything by Shaft.
Hibike.
>>134113760
>Shaft
Is this some sort of elaborate ruse or people really don't know how to differentiate art direction from animation?
Shaft works are mostly slideshows with some good animation in between.
Yes, One Punch Man
>>134113724
not that guy, but look for interviews, articles and stuff
my sorta "gateway" into learning more was through twitters and blogs of people who are more knowledgeable than I
>>134113709
here's a cool interview with some dudes at studio colorido, who're trying to make the move to full digital
there's a spot where they talk about pros and cons of the method
http://studiodomo.jp/wordpress/visiting-studio-colorido-up-and-coming-digital-animation-studio
>>134108891
>tfw you're animating an episode but know you're getting fired tomorrow and just don't give a shit anymore
>>134109419
It's such bullshit too, there's no way X could beat Madara Uchiha but y's one powerup really allowed him to perform n to b.
>>134113976
And they're the best.
>>134109695
>I started watching anime a few season ago and have already seen over 20 anime, not even including movies
>>134108615
I'd take up your challenge and say Mushishi
>>134110334
We're trying to talk about animation quality here, not the shows' other merits/flaws, you sperg.
Not to mention someone can be academically smart and an idiot in most other areas, different parts of different brains function better at different things in different capacities.
If you really think you can cast every part of someone that could be called "intelligence" under the same umbrella concept and rate in on a linear scale, you're dumb.
Do you take IQ tests online and brag about the results you got when people question your intelligence? I bet you do.
>>134111452
YZQ's coloring needs more work, but I say it's a step in the right direction.
>>134111303
>a stylistic comedy shot is bad animation
Please apply yourself kouhai, shitposting should have more effort put into it.
>>134112486
Pretty much every KyoAni show goes above and beyond OPM's quality levels though, and it remains at a constant high for almost every episode across every season.
>>134114160
actually no,you also agree that opm has good animation and better than your whatever kyoani show you like,just in denial like a child who hates something even though its good.
so,grow up i guess?
>>134114088
Thanks anon.
>>134114307
stop saying something so delusional please,i might start to think you are on an acid trip
>>134113017
Stay Night is better than Zero in terms of animation, this is an objective fact and you really should get over your blatant fanboyism.
As for everything else, that's up to your opinion.
>>134114310
>>134114335
>>134108615
It's the general composition that makes KyoAni top tier. Hyouka has lots of good things going on, it's well animated but apparently backgrounds and good usage of post proc. effects are now animating.
>>134114341
>Stay Night is better than Zero in terms of animation, this is an objective fact
Nope nope nope
>>134114307
OPM has its moments where you can say it's better than what KyoAni regularly puts out, but OPM's non-action scenes is nowhere as good as KyoAni's.
What makes KyoAni good is their shows are very self-consistent in terms of technical quality. The only exceptions are their pre-K-ON! shows and when they went full experimental like Endless Eight
>>134114088
>>134113724
Am that guy. I learned a lot about this stuff by researching Ryo-Chimo, an animator/director who is kind've seen as the pioneer for this sort of technique.
This article does a good job talking about him and the techniques he would come to pioneer. It also talks about some of the limitations of digital animation in relation to this guys comment here: >>134113709
https://washiblog.wordpress.com/2015/04/09/ryo-chimo-the-digital-animation-movement/
>>134114371
Alright believe what you want then, fagmunch.
>>134114307
no I disagree, I think in terms of /animation/ alone OPM is on the whole more impressive than your average Kyoani show
the totality of visuals is another story, of course
>>134114396
>tumblr gif
>knows nothing about animation
figures
Kyoani's visuals are massively overrated in all honesty kazoku
>>134114387
Endless Eight was a masterpiece of animation though, since every single episode was entirely different shots of the same scenes, eight times over.
Different clothes, props in the rooms, different camera angles, etc etc. As painful and monotone as it was to watch, Endless Eight took a ton of effort from the animators to put together.
And KyoAni has proven more than capable of going full sakuga in fight scenes though, so OPM doesn't really stand out much in that regard. See: Kyoukai no Kanata or Chuunibyou.
It's just that most KyoAni shows don't have high action, and therefore no very obvious, sudden bursts of even higher quality animation that really attracts most people to a show.
Speaking of Kyokai no Kanata, though, I'd throw my vote in for it being the best animated TV anime.
>>134114669
feel free to elaborate on that wrong opinion
>>134114682
>KnK
>best animated TV anime
Literally ufo tier
Get taste
>>134109796
unicorn is OVA's that got theater releases. not TV series
>>134114699
Only good thing about Kyoani is their colors and defintion
>>134108615
Well seeing as Kyoani has literally saved anime half a dozen times you'd be hard pressed to find something better.
>>134114716
>comparing it to UFO
It's literally the difference between fight choreography and fights being just a bunch of explosions and laser beams.
Incomparable.
>>134114682
in my opinion OPM's fight scenes are more impressive than any action sequence Kyoani's done. without downplaying how good they are, I see the best cuts in OPM as more stylistically varied and interesting
>>134114716
are you implying that one or both of those don't look good because if you are we've got a problem
>>134114760
is that the best you're capable of?
>>134114088
>>134114391
Thanks
>>134108615
>>134114816
I'm pretty sure the Nichijou gag scene should be taught in schools but ymmv.
s m h t b h f a m
>>134111449
Because they had like 50 different animators in the show- each with their own idea of quality.
>>134114920
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>>134114816
I'm saying modern kyoani and ufo are identical.
>>134114982
I realize in hindsight you meant ufo = ufotable not ufo = eupho so don't mind me
>>134114982
Well in that case I'm saying you're a retard.
It's fine if you want to admit you don't watch KyoAni shows, not everyone can stomache the moeshit, but they really are 9/10 quality at minimum all the time.
>>134114982
Looking over Chuuni and KnK, KyoAni's fight choreography doesn't compare to ufo's (although their animation is on par), but that's just because ufotable has a lot more practice and money to fuck around with. Also, action scenes are more central to Fate than to Kyoukai no Kanata or Chuu2.
Ufo loses big time in non-action scenes, I'll admit.
>>134114387
well,atleast you agree the action scenes have better animation.
most don't even do that
>>134115459
meant that most fans don't agree
>>134108889
How does it feel being so oblivious?
