I hate how Toriyama just throws perfectly good characters to the wayside to just cheerlead for Vegeta and Goku now.
Piccolo and Buu will join Goku and Vegeta in the tournament along with a new character.
>>134007178
It's been that way for years, the only thing that's changed is that we have more people on the fucking bench.
I don't know which fanbase got it worse, Goten or Yamcha fans
>>134007704
>Yamcha fans
literally who
>>134007784
wait
what the fuck is this shit? I stopped following Super after like 5 episodes.
I'm assuming your pic is from some daydream sequence or something
>>134007810
>>134007784
What the fuck happened to his arms? He's scrawny as hell now.
>>134008039
Digglet is in DBS !
>>134008039
Christ
The quality is so bad these days. A big name franchise like DBZ couldn't even get a big enough budget for some quality animation or what? Is Toriyama such a jew to save a little extra money for shit production?
>>134008011
He has aids.
>>134007178
Is it really a big deal considering that every fighter is practically the same now?
You're expecting Toriyama or Toei to remember, let alone care, that there are characters besides Goku and Vegeta that are good guys. That's your mistake.
>>134008011
>Toriyama forgetting his own creations
Yeah, no shit. He's a hack. I bet he forgot that in DBZ Hercule was supposed to be incredibly strong... for a non-superpowered human. He did become world champion through legit means until Goku and pals showed up.
I bet Toriyama forgot everything about him except that he has to be comic relief.
>>134008210
Incredibly strong for a normal human is still tens if not hundreds of thousands of times weaker than any of the Supah saiyajins
>>134008210
Actually Mr. Satan only won once legitimately and basically paid off all of his other opponents. And then he got lazy.
>>134007217
>a new character
It's almost confirmed to be Gohan in disguise.
>>134008333
It's actually the strongest guy Beerus fought and no, it's not Whis.
>>134008077
>Toriyama.
Why are you blaming him for this when Toei has been making garbage for the last decade? Toei stopped giving a shit a long time ago.
>>134008077
>implying the quality isn't so bad BECAUSE it's a popular franchise and people will eat it up anyway
>implying Toriyama funds the anime
>>134008307
I bet King Chappa could beat Mr. Satan. Or Nam. Hell even Panput would give him a run for his money.
>>134008011
More important, why did Satan become a nigger?
>>134007810
It was revealed that he was a Saiyan all along who lost his powers. Someone reawakened his powers and he immadiatly went SSJ.
>>134008354
It's the Great Saiyaman.
>>134009581
They fought 900 years ago.
>>134010391
Maybe Gohan is older than he looks. Or Beerus has a shit sense of time.
Toriyama forgot them so much, he even forgot to make them age. Over 20 years Yamcha doesn't age a day.
>>134008011
He stopped training.
>>134011475
>forgot
Toriyama has said before he doesn't like making them old so he doesn't. And there's nothing that says being a Ki master doesn't make you age slower or some shit.
Fuck off.
>>134010391
Bardock?
>>134007178
>yamcha
>getting kek.ed by a manlet
he really fucked him over.
least krillin got it on with 18
>>134013340
I seriously hope fucking not.
They already ruined bardock with that retarded special.
>>134013643
How did it ruin him? If you don't like it just disregard it, autist.
>>134013761
>Bardock used to be just a normal saiyan
>Goku was just a low class saiyan
>Suddenly Bardock becomes the legendary super saiyan
>Someone weaker than saiyan saga Vegeta becoming a super saiyan
>>134013947
Like I said, if it bothers you, disregard it.
>>134013992
That's not how it works.
They're shoving ssj Bardock everywhere.
>>134014035
What does that have to do with it? The special is what bothers you, right? You feel like the special ruined his character? OK, then just don't worry about the special, right? Even if the transformation is in other things it shouldn't really bother you.
>>134013947
Bardock had a power level of around 10,000, the same as King Vegeta, clearly not low class warriors.
>>134014127
That was after the zenkai.
>>134007810
It's a bullshit story he tells about his defeat of "Lord Beebus"
Hopefully the saiyan from fat beerus universe doesn't turn out to be power maximum.
>>134014550
They're probably just dark goku and dark vegeta.
Toriyama can't design for shit.
>>134014550
Y'know, I wouldn't be mad about that. I think Broly really has potential.
>>134014550
>>134014641
Broly doesn't even exist. He's a movie character.
>>134014720
Hey i'm not saying that it will happen, all I'm saying is that it'd be pretty cool if it did.
>>134007178
It's just getting worse and worse. First the humans then the half-saiyans.
In Super Beerus and Whis serve the mentor role for Goku and Vegeta. And if Toriyama decides to follow the end of Z, everyone is going to be left in the void to introduce a one chapter character who is literatelly tumblr; look he has tanned skin, look muh inclusion.
Fuck Toriyama.
>>134014928
>character is literally tumblr
Stop shitposting. Fuck off.
>>134015248
The only reason people care about him even he is an one chapter character is because he has tanned skin. Nothing else.
>>134015395
Or because he's a non-saiyan who could possibly be relevant
Or because he's the reincarnation of a major villain
Or because he's training directly under goku
Or because they like his character design
Fuck off with your bullshit.
>>134015453
What's the point of uub when he's trash compared to all the shit from Super?
>>134015482
What's the point of any character that isn't goku or vegeta? People will like characters even if they aren't super strong.
>>134015453
There has been non saiyans characters in DB that should get the spotlight, instead of an one chapter character who didnt add nothing to the plot. This kind of cancer is literatelly kiling DB, everyone is obsoleted bring new characters.
Fuck him and fuck you.
>>134013643
It wasn't canon anyway, don't worry about it
>>134015538
If you put attention people are demanding for the stablish characters, we gaijins and the moonies. For some reason he is in the bottom of popularity.
>>134015482
You're wrong. End of Z happened after Super. This means Uuub was able to hurt Goku with a kick.
Yes, the Goku who absorbed SSJG powers. The one we knoe right now. Possibly stronger.
Uuub is Bills tier, without training.
>>134014720
This is Toriyama we're talking about here.
Anything goes, I don't want it, but could happen.
>>134007766
I'm offended.
>>134015874
Are you implying Toriyama cared of logic in the power levels?
Back in the day Toriyama had any idea he was going to create Beerus. Nowdays he probably gives zero fuck about that.
>Uub is such special tier.
The worst kind of excuse.
>>134008210
Satan only won because goku and friends didn't compete and all the older capable fighters from dragonball were probably too scared of piccolo to ever consider going to a tourney again.
>>134016275
all of this is irrelevant.
uub is canon, yes? yes!
you automatically lose the argument
have a nice butthurt lol
>>134016452
>all of this is irrelevant
Look the one who's talking about "Bills" and "special tier brat".
>!
Kill yourself.
>>134016714
>>134016714
Duh, you keep spamming logical fallacies. Even plebs can find the flaws in your arguments. The internet has been extensively trained for years against troll arguments, information has spread.
Now, let's speak logically. What do we have here
me:
I put on the table legitimate points
you:
going strawman and ad personam
You lost at every level.
I can tell in advance you're going ad personam again. Enjoy speaking to yourself. Nobody is going to give you credit.
Meanwhile, my points stand strong.
>>134017341
>ad personam
Are you doing this on purpose? It's hard to take you seriously when you type like that
>>134017341
Except in this discussion you dont have a point when the only thing you said is "brat is such a special tier". Read the fucking thread, retarded and after that embrace death.
>>134017394
Timeline
>Buu is kill
>Beers appears
>Goku becomes crazy strong
>Stuff happens (Super)
>Uub appears
>Uub's kick hurts Goku
Has Uub been officially retconned?
No.
Facts:
Uub is strong enough to hurt a god tier Goku
Your arguments:
Toriyama didn't plan things out well
His name is not Bills
Special tier meme
Ad personam
Counter arguments:
Toriyama made several mistakes, canon stays canon
The name is irrelevant in this context and not an indicator of my competence. His official name in my country is Bills by the way. My nationality has nothing to do with facts anyway
"special tier"
I didn't pull this off my ass. I used logic. Counter my argument if you believe you can (you can't)
Ad personam: just like violence, the last refuge of the incompetent
>>134017428
Why? how do you call that in burgerland?
>>134007178
>I hate how Toriyama just throws perfectly good characters to the wayside to just cheerlead for Vegeta and Goku now.
In Super tv show, they're expanding the grunt battle by giving them unique opponents this time though. And there's also Ginyu's return and power up.
>>134017592
Uubfags losing the point of the fucking thread, restore to use muh power levels that he even cant use correctly;
Whis>Beerus>Super Ginger>Super Cyan>Golden Frieza>Mystic Gohan>Super Buu>Rest of Buus.
>>134008011
Why is he a nigger now? Did the late Mrs. Satan keked him with a white dude?
>>134017800
Dude, Super Cyan is officially stronger than Super Ginger.
And base for Goku absorbed Super Ginger powers.
It was stated.
And Uub hurt black haired goku.
Calling me a Uubfag won't change how wrong you are.
I'm not an uubfag by the way. I like to make people feel uncomfortable by presenting the truth.
You cannot accept truth, it seems.
>>134007178
Are you retarded? Most of the movie was the side characters getting some time to themselves.
>>134007178
fodder ain't gonna remove themselves. Speaking of, what happened to the aliens that came with Freeza? I doubt the z-warriors killed everyone of them and their ship was destroyed by their own bosses autistic rage. Did they all just go find jobs at the local whitecastle?
>>134017689
Any civilized person knows that it's Ad hominem. You use the latin version, not the italian or french one.
Also, I am not a burger.
>>134017920
Post where Toriyama stated Cyan>Ginger.
Toriyama clearly stated Golden Frieza was weaker than Beerus.
Also I love how you keep changing the subject of this thread. And tell me that when Super ends, at this point is too early to say anything.
Oolong and Turtle should have been the ones to defeat Frieza.
>>134018646
No.
>>134014127
That's Toei bullshit. Real Bardock was at the top of lower class, meaning Raditz level. The Vegetas were far stronger than any other Saiyan.
>>134017780
Is that him on the bottom right? Looks like he grew up loads since Namek.
>>134014588
I just want some space ape sluts honestly.
>>134008210
Bora can shrug off machine guns like they're nothing, and we all know how he did against a Super Human. Mr. Satan can't even survive handguns.
