I seriously hope no one believes this shit.
But it's true.
Sounds like pseudo philosophical bullshit to me.
Is it so hard to understand the difference between not liking a thing and actively disliking it? Is this how dumb neo-/a/ is? How did you think this deserved a thread?
I want to die but I still feed myself.
>Lacking the will to live
Content to waste away doing nothing.
>Wishing to die
Proactively wants to die.
How is that wrong?
>>133994666
I do believe it Satan
>>133994841
This.
>>133994789
>Wishing to die
You actively want to end your life.
>Losing the will to live
You just don't care about living, death is just a consequence.
Stop being retarded.
>>133994932
You can wish you would die without actively doing anything about it.
There's nothing in "wishing" that imply action.
It's pseudo-philosophical garbage.
Not wanting to live and acting upon it is the same thing as killing yourself
>Losing the will to live
The brain's reward centers are fucked.
>Wanting to die
The brain's capacity for long term thinking is fucked.
>I don't want to Live so I'm going to starve myself
>I want to die so I'm going to kill myself
You really think there's a difference m8...?
>>133994932
Nearly 100% of suicides are acts of passion. People with no will to live don't have any passion.
The only cases that aren't acts of passion are self-sacrifice.
>>133995042
>I don't want to Live so I'm going to starve myself
That's not losing the will to live, you just restated the desire to die in different words. Losing the will to live is more like
>it's not worth moving my body for anything, not even to eat
>I just want to lie here
Repeat until dead.
>>133995095
Actually, I take this back.
The statements could mean the same thing dependent on context, but there are two distinct states of manic/suicidal and depressive/neglectful and the two phrases could be taken as reference to those.
That's true and that's what happens to cancer patients. They don't want to die but can't find a reason to live anymore.
I live for Ougi.
What did Hanekawa accomplish from washing her hair in this scene..,.?
>>133995248
You can be better
Its the difference between a recession and a depression anon
It's the kind of thing where you think "oh so smart, such nuance" when you watch it but falls apart when you really stop think about it.
Monogatari in a nutshell.
>>133995226
Pretty much this, people who lack the will to live don't have the strength to keep on while wishing to die means you actually want to die.
![[HorribleSubs] Owarimonogatari - 05 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_01.33_[2015.11.08_19.00.57].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vWJxBpE.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Owarimonogatari - 05 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_01.33_[2015.11.08_19.00.57].jpg")
Dr Euler, I'm RRG
>>133994666
True though.
It's a difference between 'IDGAF' and 'let it stop'
There's a lot of pseudo-intellectual/philosophical bullshit in monogatari, and anime in general, but this isn't really it. I'm sure everyone's had times where you think "why exactly do I even live" or "I should just stop trying" but that's completely different from "I want to go out of my way to end my life so that I never wake up". Of course, there's a very fine line here but you can get the gist pretty easily
>>133994666
She's just backing up her theory that Sodachi's mother never left the room.
Why didn't she kill herself in a direct way if she was suicidal? Because she wasn't suicidal, she had deadly apathy.
Don't criticize dialogue from an out of context screencap.
>>133994666
Spoopy Oogy170
Not wishing to Live = Dying
Wanting to Die = Dying
Woah jeez really tough philosophy.
>>133994666
It's true.
>Losing the will to live
'Actively' wasting your time doing nothing. Maybe wishing to disapear painlessly. Quite possibly fearing death and pain that comes with it.
>wishing to die
You want death.
>>133995154
But then, your body will exhibit signals of wanting to live. Like hunger. Then not wanting to do anything about it becomes a choice.
>>133995778
Now which one requires you to leave a closed room
>>133995848
Not if you're insane or catatonic. Most people who classify as "lost the will to live" are not capable of making lucid decisions. Often they are not even truly conscious.
>>133995331
Nice anime
Same result, two differents paths.
>>133995971
It's the same result no matter what path you take.
>>133994666
Baka senpai gaijin don't understand the difference between 自殺願望 and 希死念慮.
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>>133994666
>I'm a fucking retarded, so I will make a thread about my retardation!
Jeusus, underage kids, stop embarassing yourself so much.
>>133996088
Okay, gramps.
>>133995291
black hanekawa can accept depressing things, she wasn't able to come up with the theory of Oikura mom's death before.
>>133994968
"wishing" imply implies wilfulness and intentionality.
>>133995291
>>133996223
Because you are as stupid as OP. She literally cooled down her head to try to figure it out in few seconds.
What the fuck is a will to live?
>>133994968
>>133996283
>arguing English semantics to interpret a phrase said in Japanese
Stay classy, /a/
As usual, Monogatari haters are really fucking stupid.
>>133996368
>trying to sound "elitist" just to make himself feel better.
>Doesn't make a single worthy point.
Feel free to try to sound smart and fail, anon.
>>133994666
>1914x1032
>>133996375
>>133996350
>>133996409
Seems like you just did.
>>133996519
>N-n-no.
I alredy made a point about that subject >>133996283
You literally talked about nothing for sake of trying to sound smart, I just pointed that out.
>You pointed out that I'm an idiot, that means t-t-that you are an idiot like me!
Yeah, no, you disgusting dimwit.
>>133996587
What "wishing" implies doesn't matter because that's not what the character said, you fucking idiot. You're actually trying to sound smart and didn't even get my point. Kill yourself.
>>133994666
I was about to say something along the lines of "there are really people in /a/ who can't tell the difference between a passive and proactive philosophical standpoint" but then I remembered that most of /a/ now consists of highschoolers and college dropouts.
>>133996747
That's quite an insight, anon.
>>133996747
>now
/a/ has always been full of underage b& and failures. The problem is that the underage b& of today is somehow a drooling idiot in comparison to the dumb underage b& of even 5 years ago.
I blame smartphones and meme culture.
>>133996737
>What "wishing" implies doesn't matter
It matters, because we were talking about if the translation conveyed that meaning, that concept, and the obvious context, you autistic trash.
> didn't even get my point.
I don't get your point because there is no point, that was just you being wanna-be-elitist cunt . If you think that there was a better translation post it and make your worthless posts less cancerous.
And even that doesn't change what kind of meaning the translation conveys, how it fits the context, and how that anon was being a fucking idiot with no reading comprehension.
>You're actually trying to sound smart
Yeah, sure, I'm the wanna-be-elitist shitposter , it's clear.
Next time try to contribute with something worthy instead of being such an obnoxious tryhard clown.
>>133996854
>/a/ has always been full of underage b& and failures. The problem is that the underage b& of today is somehow a drooling idiot in comparison to the dumb underage b& of even 5 years ago.
Pretty much.
>>133997159
>Discussion develops from "Sounds like pseudo philosophical bullshit to me."
>w-we were discussing the merit of the translation, I swear
>>133997179
>deletes his post because he misquoted
It's time to stop, anon.
>>133996737
What did the character say?
>>133994666
I didn't know Satan could be stupid on the subject of depression and suicide.
Losing the will to live is a passive statement. It doesn't directly imply ending your life. It leads to death from lack of nutrition/hydratation in most cases, because the person just doesn't care, not because he actually wants to die. The person just stops caring about life.
Wishing to die is direct and clear: you WANT to end your life and you will do it sooner than later. It's what leads to cutting your wrists, hanging yourself, jumping from a bridge, laying on a rail track, and so on.
>>133997228
中出しの気持ち
>>133997212
Jesus, why are you still trying so hard?
After an anon explained him that scene, he tryied to say that the sentence didn't convey that meaning and that context. I explained him why that sentence conveyed that. That's what were talking about before your shiposts.
Stop with such embarrassing damage control, and learn how to follow a discussion, you autistic little shit.
So after all this shitposting you don't even have an alternative translation? Seriously? You are even worse than I thought, congratulations, you useless clown.
>>133997212
>deletes his post because he misquoted
>It's time to stop, anon.
You are right, compared to to all the nonsensical garbage you dumped here, that's too embarrassing.
This petty and retarded damage control is really pathetic, but enjoy being such a worthless retarded.
>>133997611
>>133997637
>why are you still trying so hard?
>Stop with such embarrassing damage control
From my perspective that's what you're doing.
>>133997719
>No U
>again.
Ok. At least this time you didn't try to damage control that hard. Simple and dense denial is less annoying than tons of pure nonsense.
>>133996338
It's actually both, but they were partially wrong. Washing her hair out is metaphorically looking from all her perspectives, not just from the more positive one she was looking at before. She knew of this possibility, but didn't want to consider it, Ougi wants Hanekawa to forcibly embrace hatred and the cold, harsh parts of herself for a specific reason. Shaft also represented the parts where she thought in three different positions with herself and her "sisters", Black Hanekawa and Kako, with those three shots for the three seconds.
Though it was also right that she needed to cool down her head for those 7 seconds.
>>133995736
I still dont get how they come to these conclusions that are seemingly just random out of all the other possibilities
>>133995971
not really, i havent really had will to live for a long time now, and i still have never taken action for suicide. Compared to someone who actually WANTS to die, they are more likely to take action.
>>133998456
It's like you forgot that it was a closed room. There weren't "other possibilities". And even if you can made up some crazy theories, that's still the most consistent and logical one when you consider the context. The only ambiguos thing is that if oikura knew the solution from the start, and we all know what's the most obvious answer.
>>133998508
>i havent really had will to live for a long time now,
You are still shitpostong here, so you still have some will to live.
>>133994666
Technically correct. One is more passive than the other.
That doesn't make it any less of a 14 year old trying to sound deep.
>>134000429
How is it deep if the meaning is clear?
>>133994666
shaft shit.
>>134000429
Yeah, simply pointing out something is being a "a 14 year old trying to sound deep".
You really sound like a pretentious 14 year old.
I dunno man, sounds pretty legit to me
>>133994666
LOLIMONOGATARI WHEN?
>why is obvious thing x
>because y OP
>no x is y because I say so
>you are fucking stupid
>I was o-only p-pretending to be retarded!!
I've lost the will to live, doesn't mean I want to die.
>>134000868
I've let someone die. Doesn't mean I've killed her.
>>134001001
exactly
>>133996108
Smell ya later!
