The episode featuring the meme attack just aired. I think toei did a pretty good job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKLCsifRbU8I
IF YA'LL KILT MUH SON SANJAY ITCHY ODA GOTTA PROBLEM
kruup in je nist
>>133826764
I cant even be assed to go check. I just dont care.
>>133826911
He didn't die. He betrayed the crew due to DESTINY like robin did in Water 7
Sanji is the son of a gorosei
We're in for another chase a straw hat to the ends of the earth no matter how shitty they are arc
I just realised that Zoro looks silly when he wears the bandana with a suit on. The dark on dark doesn't fit him.
>>133827084
the bandanna needs to be green now
that would at least look better with his suit AND robes
>>133826764
At least compared to the last episode, this one was quite good. Shame that they just brought up the same old memories of Baratie, instead of showing the flashback of Mihawk forbiding Zoro to drink alcohol until he mastered haki.
>>133826992
>thinking this isn't the return of Mr. Prince
I really liked this episode, at least the second half, they padded the fuck out of the first ten minutes but it got pretty good later. There were some actual good shots in there, I didn't like them changing the color of Pica's armor when he wentbnigga mode, but it still looks nice, I also liked the flashback to Mihawk and the parallels to using Sanzen Sekai there and here. They'll probably add the scene of Mihawk's training next episode and milk it for all it's worth, overall I liked this week's ep, makes me exited that Gear Fourth won't be shit.
http://strawpoll.me/6068538
Let's see how lewd are OPfags
one of the best zoro cuts. fire me irl.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBRSSiC48LA
>>133827811
Predicting Luffy will be ahead of all the other males in this poll.
>>133826764
Who was stronger, Pica or Vergo?
>>133827811
>no Jinbe or Vivi
>>133828020
Probably Vergo
Pica was just a big dude who wasnt incompetent
Vergo was pure asswhoop
>>133828020
Vergo
>>133826911
WHEN LUFFY GONNA FIND THE FUCKIN' ONE PIECE
>no sound webbum of the attack yet
Fuck you faggots
>>133826911
>this is the average sanjifag
>>133828020
Vergo was closer to Doflamingo level than Pica level.
>>133828279
Nah. I wouldn't go that far.
>>133828020
Pica was absolute shit tier
When the raws come out, someone make a webm.
>no one would fuck Usopp
>but two people would fuck Chopper
>>133828637
sexualizing god is a sin
>>133828674
epic meme xD
>>133828020
Vergo was actually pretty fucking stronk. Pica was shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bq8XlJ4NjE#t=21
LAW EXPLAINED TO THEM
THAT STRAW HAT DEFEATED
UH
DARK FLAMINGO
>>133828900
nice meme
>>133828968
Valvatorez approved
Not to sound dense are anything, but could a ship ship fruit potentially be possible? Like maybe eating a ship ship fruit model: galleon and just floating on the ocean?
We doing this?
>>133829062
No you dense asshole
>>133828882
This is the perfect example of a speedreader
>>133829062
That sounds really freaky.
What use would that even be?
>>133828020
I get the feeling Pica was more reliant on his fruit, while Vergo trained his haki more.
Never understood why Vergo didn't take advantage of Doflamingo's connections to become a logia user with the Mera Mera or Yuki Yuki.
>>133829185
idk. It was just something i assumed maybe someone like San Juan Wolf would eat and be one , big ass boat for BB
>>133829233
First off nice dubs, and secondly that's like asking why Zoro or Sanji train haki rather then just getting a fruit they clearly don't want them and don't feel the need to have one
>>133829129
That artist really did a great job capturing Oda's style. Might fap to again.
Everyone practicing to say "another filler chapter" next wednesday?
>>133829451
Except the boobs actually look somewhat decent there.
>>133829413
Not disagreeing with your point, but technically Sanji did want Absalom's fruit. He was saving himself for a specific fruit, so Vergo could have also been the same way.
>>133828637
Usopp gonna be pullin all the pussy by the end. He has surpassed Sogeking.
Vergo was such a ridiculous character. Really hope he's not dead. Probably not, but it'd be a waste if him and Monet don't come back later in the series.
Reminder that Doffy and Doffyfags got epic BTFO
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO did all the doffyfags leave the thread
>>133829745
>LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
fuck off
>>133827811
>Brook 2
Wanda pls.
>>133829708
Oda blew his load early by showing us the best executive before the rest of them
On the other hand that means he gets to pretty much star his own arc
>>133829708
>tfw Vergo is your favorite character
>>133829745
Is there anyone more assblasted in these threads than this guy?
Seriously, it's been months. Did a Doffyfag touch you inappropriately?
>>133829514
Well, he improved the boobs there.
Those boobs have weight now. Compared to Oda's floating tits.
>>133829708
The real tragedy is that we didn't get to see Doffy and Vergo interacting face-to-face. I image he was as much of a bro to Doffy as Zoro is to Luffy.
>>133830072
I think that is the one case where I prefer my imagination
>>133827699
We're more likely to see So Gay Key In Goo at this point
>>133829129
Well, makes me wonder.
Who's the sluttiest girl in One Piece ? I'd say Nami, but it's just too easy.
>>133831226
Dadan
>>133831226
She's not a slut. She just pretends she is.
>>133831268
>She's not a slut.
>not a slut
>not
>a slut
Nojiko, pls stop posting
>>133831268
That's what she tells herself after a hard day of "work"
>>133829129
Sauce?
>>133826764
>The episode featuring the meme attack just aired. I think toei did a pretty good job
It's Zoro m8. 15 years old kids want to fap to their idol and Toei knows it.
The quality always improve went edgy cool characters appears
1 or more years earth time before the complete crew arrives in Wanou lol.
>>133832022
Oda averages 39 chapters a year with his breaks, so a year actually sounds pretty accurate.
Luffy a cute.
>>133831226
Kureha, duh. With her years she's probably had more sex than all other OP girls combined.
>>133832022
>>133832083
Even with all of the samurai finally being united, I don't think Wano is next.
>>133832260
It would be nice to use the log pose to get to a New World island for once.
>>133832260
I want off topknot Vivi's wild ride already
>>133831819
>Zoro
>edgy
Law is the edgy one
>>133832260
i think wano will come next arc and we'll be off this elephant in under 10 more chapters
BUT
i think the elephant will move to wano mid-arc and will play an important role. it is mobile after all
>>133833029
Kaido will fight Zou.
new opening when????
>>133833128
seems likely, since jack attacked
i'm imagining the party being split next arc —robin, jinbe and some others on zou trying to find out [X revelatory secret] involving the poneglyphs while the rest of the crew deals with shit on wano.
but it's likely or possible that there's another small arc between here and there. either way, i don't think zou is going to be even close to being wrapped up before the crew leaves. imo it's going to be developed later
>>133828020
Vergo is stronger, but Pica is more destructive.
Okay so I'm looking for like a movie or some shit to watch to hold me over until the next ten episodes of the dub release. Can anyone tell me what movies I should watch and which ones I should avoid?
INB4:
> Dub is literal dog shit
> Just read the manga you fucking faggot
> Just look it up yourself
>>133833919
One Piece movies? The only good ones are Strong World and Film Z, and debatably movie 6 as well.
>>133833919
Best 4:
>Dead End Adventure (4)
>Strong World (10)
>Film Z (12)
>Baron Omatsuri (6)
Also: Read the manga
>>133834081
I already watched Strong world, and while I do think it is a good movie, the ending seemed a bit rushed. The big fight between Luffy and Shiki seemed so short in comparison to other fights in the series. But i'll check out Film Z for sure. I've also heard good and bad things about the 3d one. Am I better off putting a bullet in my head than watching that or is it actually worth a watch?
>>133834153
I watched all the 3D ones, they're alright I guess but nothing special. I remember movie 12 or whatever the most recent 3D one was having Sanji kick open a seastone cage which was retarded so yeah.
>>133832792
>edgy
>likes to cuddle with polar bears
Pick one
>>133834271
Awwww, that edgy cunt is a big ol softy!
>>133834271
Bepo is a minkman
>>133832022
I want more New World towns and stuff
>>133834081
Not debatably undeniably. The direction is far stronger than in any other.
That said Strong World holds a special place in my heart because it was when I really started to love the series. It has some iconic moments, nice music and a great credit sequence.
>>133834271
>polar bears
literally nature's edgiest animal
>>133833919
2, 4, 6, 10, and 12.
1 and 11 are kinda okay too.
>>133834792
True
I haven't seen any other animal throw parties and drink coca cola
>>133834885
I was thinking of Rachel from Animorphs.
>>133834792
This is fact!
>133834542
I was really hoping Bepos backstory would be that he was normal human crew member that suffered fatal injuries and Law saved his life by switching his heart with a nearby bear.
>>133833919
Just read the manga you fucking faggot
>>133834920
That would be weird though since Bepo is attracted to female bears.
>>133833919
The Japanese version has some of the greatest voice acting you could possibly ask for. Legend after legend in the industry for everyone from main characters to small side characters.
Aside from Brook and a few others the dub is blatantly mediocre and passionless, why not just give the original a chance.
If the anime were to be made today, who do you think will voice the strawhats?
>There's nothing in this world I can't cut
20 chapters later he can barely hold back Doflamingo's strings, actually can we talk about how Bird Cage held back Zoro and an Admiral and a shit ton of other haki users all at the same time?
>>133835231
Someone post the "I'll never lose again!" comparison image
>>133835231
It's been scientifically stated by someone that string is the strongest substance on some planet!
>>133834792
polarbears are bros faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rZTZBOrqQ
>>133829129
Artist name pls
One piece doujins have some shitty artists and I don't want to sail those waters again
>>133835231
No one was cutting the cage.
>>133835491
>Zoro and Fugitora both using Haki on their swords while pushing the sharp parts of their blades against the strings
>Not cutting
>>133835550
>holding the sides of their blades against the cage to use their strength to push it back
>cutting
Is Doffy gay?
>>133835662
>side
>>133835662
>>133835550
>not the side
They literally said they were trying to push it back. Cutting it would fuck up what they were trying to do.
>>133835061
I have, I just can't really get into it. I'm still trying I just...I don't know, I'm not feeling it.
>>133835676
Deviant bisexual.
I still believe Fujitora could've cut that shit wide open, he chose not to to make the Shichibukai look even worse.
>>133836544
He could have probably sent it into space
>>133836544
It was pushing seastone like it was nothing despite being a devil fruit ability, it was clearly supposed to be an unstoppable force.
If he wanted to destroy the cage entirely above all else then he would have gone after Doflamingo anyways, he states himself that he was entrusting it to another pirate to make a point.
>>133836544
He tried to drop a meteor on it.
>>133836762
Incorrect. He brought that down on Sabo during their fight.He had no intent of bringing it down.
>>133829685
>Sanji only wanted fruit to be able to do lewd
Yea, i think that answers why he doesn't really want another fruit.
Because they can't fullfill his dream of become the best pervert there ever was.
>>133836783
You may be right in that respect but it doesn't change the fact that Oda put specific focus on the fact that Doflamingo's string could defeat Fujitora's meteor. Fuji wonders if it can slice "even" his meteor, as though he considers doing so quite a feat, and then it does.
I want to get on to One Piece...
Should I start with the manga or the animu?
>>133838104
You do realise that a meteor is weak shit compared to his actual gravity abilities? Nothing can resist his gravity.
>>133838206
Coloured manga.
>>133838206
You can read or watch it subbed from the beginning
Despite the hate the anime gets it's almost all unjustified for the earlier years. It's the modern Toei era One Piece that dropped in quality immensely.
>>133838227
>>133838282
Thanks!
>>133838282
No I hates (at least I hope they don't) early One Piece, the pacing and animation are both leagues better than in the current episodes
>>133838333
No one hates
>>133838333
The sheer ignorance surrounding One Piece may surprise you though you should have noticed it if you've been around /a/ for a while
The whole series gets blanketed
>>133838333
>Despite the hate the anime gets it's almost all unjustified for the earlier years. It's the modern Toei era One Piece that dropped in quality immensely.
QFT. it stumbles though for sure. skypeia and enies lobby are filler-filled, the first 30 episodes are a bit on the slog side, the alabasta fights are plodding, impel down is half filler...
but G8 makes up for it
>>133838282
>No one hates (at least I hope they don't) early One Piece
it's a meme that occurred when people picked up the series during marineford. before that, people used to rec the anime quite a bit. not now.
damn near every other person who says this has never touched the anime.
Early OP anime:
>2-3 chapters per episode
Current OP anime:
>0.5 chapters per episode
Are you prepared for all the QUALITY shots of gear fourth
>>133829129
May I inquire as to the origins of that fine piece of artwork there, good Anon?
>>133838736
I don't think it will be that bad. Gear fourth would probably look decent since toei loves luffy.
>>133838633
Well can't be helped since they don't want to make filler and the series hasn't really been fast since the timeskip.
>>133828179
wait for another 6,570 days
>>133838227
>nothing can resist his gravity
Zoro defeated that gimmick on his first try
>>133835231
You know that fujitora is holding back right?
>>133838736
the fight scenes have been mostly animated well for the last 10 or so episodes
>>133839232
You know Oda only didn't let Zoro fight Fujitora because Zoro would win right?
>>133839271
Not really. It was just average at best.
topkek
I'm diggin' the demon-like haki though.
>>133839421
i want muh topless zoro back ;_;
>>133839271
>>133839115
Oh there will be QUALITY shots of filler considering how long he is in Gear Fourth the first time
Doflamingo looked off a few times in just their first clash in the executive room before Birdcage
>>133839115
Luffy vs lucci also had terrible animation at times
>>133839421
Zori has become Bighuge McLarge?
![Ichi_Gorilla,_Ni_Gorilla[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/mBokDQJ.png "Ichi_Gorilla,_Ni_Gorilla[1].png")
>>133839620
>>133839620
This isn't new, post timeskip all the guys are more muscular
Except Sanji
>>133839421
Yeah I noticed that. Toei being toei.
>>133826764
i just watched the scene, and i don't know how any of it can be considered a "good job", the animation and drawings were terrible as usual, and that mihawk flashback was unnecessary.
>>133839687
and Brookbecause he has no muscles
>>133839600
Luffy vs lucci is great.
>>133839792
>>133839781
>> and that mihawk flashback was unnecessary.
I like it. Surprising mihawk flashback has good animation.
Zoro is stronger than Luffy.
>>133839883
Luffy has uber haki so Zoro wouldn't be able to cut him
>>133839883
Zoro is a bitch compared to G4 Luffy
what happened to gear 2 cutting of major chunks of luffy's lifespan?
did they retcon that or is he gonna die once her 35?
>>133840013
>what happened to gear 2 cutting of major chunks of luffy's lifespan?
Luffy cured that side-effect when he was at the pirate summit.
>>133840064
oh, i must've been reading at the speed oflight then
sorry desu senpai
>>133840064
no he didn't. stop making shit up.
>>133840064
This was stated nowhere
>>133840013
That only happens when he overuses it, and not major chunks. Plus humans can live to be fucking old in One Piece and he has Chopper who's dream it is to be able to cure any disease and such.
>>133840101
>That only happens when he overuses it
More like when he overuses it against an opponent who will kill him when he becomes too exhausted to move.It never literally reduced his lifespan fastfriend.
>>133840013
no, and I think it is safe to assume that G4 is even more dangerous for his lifespan
>>133840013
he also got his lifespan reduced when he got healed by ivanko
he might even die at 25
>>133840013
He's already dead
mushi mushi, sogeking desu
>>133827811
Everyone except for Brook & Chopper. I've got my limits.
>>133840473
Is this an exciting new meme?
Is Capone doomed to being a scrub villain now?
>>133827811
Robin all day everyday
>>133840561
You say that figuratively, but thanks to her clones, she could do it literally while still doing archaeologist things.
>>133840605
She'd feel everything though, pretty distracting
imagine a monogamous harem
>>133840710
>pretty distracting
She'd get used to it in time.
>a monogamous harem
See, this is what makes her a goddess in human form.
>>133840710
That sounds like a contradiction.
>>133835770
>>133835812
>>133835815
Too bad oda wanted the birdcage to be a threat and nobody tried cutting the cage
I didn't know doffy could create razor sharp diamond strings
>>133839206
Zoro launched a slash, which made Fujitora stop applying gravity.
>>133840736
Something like this but more tender?
>>133840811
Doffy can do anything with his strings senpai
He has the Ope Ope no mi model strings
>>133840933
Yes, but not by much. She's an S.
>>133840811
What so many people seem to ignore completely is the sheer scale of the Birdcage, it covered the ENTIRE Island. Cutting would not have done shit to stop it. Even if Zoro would have cut out a small part it would have done fucking nothing. He would have to rush all over the island to make cuts that would have destroyed the cage and this was impossible in the little time that was left until it completely closed. Nobody tried cutting it because they knew it would have made no difference at this point. And that Doffys strings are fucking strong was already shown when he stopped Jozu completely in his tracks. And that was with invisilbe strings. Birdcage strings were so thick that they were visible. Also Doffy had 3 fucking decades to train his df powers and pretty much honed his skills to perfection, so much that he even awakened his fruit.
>>133839321
Correction: He didn't let Zoro fight him because he'd lose, and that's something that cannot happen to Zoro from Baratie onwards (losing to a swordsman that is)
>>133841168
That's not how Oda represented it though, with Zoro breaking out of Fujitora's gravity followed by Fujitora fleeing the battlefield.
Oda couldn't have Zoro fight Fujitora because he'd lose and Oda wants the SH and Fujitora to be sympathetic to each other.
>>133840933
how the hell did Robin beat that guy ? Aren't fishmen suposed to be ten times stronger than humans ? did i miss the chapter where Robin got superhuman strength ?
>>133840890
He launched a slash while Fujitora tried to suppress his ability to do so with gravity. But as you said, Zoro launched a slash anyway.
You can't spin it. He broke out of it on his first try and then Fujitora ran away.
>>133841400
that's dumb, if Zoro could takt Issho by himself he would be a lot stronger than Luffy
>>133841429
Do a tally. How many arms are clutching him?
12. That's more than 10. Robin is using the strength of 12 Lara Crofts.
>>133841461
What do you base that on? Luffy easily standing toe to toe with Fujitora?
>>133841461
What do you base that on? Luffy easily standing toe to toe with Fujitora? The timeskip's purpose was literally to allow Luffy to fight admirals, it's the stated reason for Luffy's training it's what Luffy flashes back to when he agrees to to do it's perfectly reasonable that he can fight them now.
Luffy had a harder time against Crocodile than he did against Fujitora and he still beat Crocodile.
>>133841480
When did Luffy ever fight evenly with him? Once Fuji started getting pissed at Luffy he literally blew him 100m away with Gravito.
>>133841480
>What do you base that on?
Fujitora being obviously stronger than Doflamingo and Luffy barely defeating the latter
you can't really say anything about the fight between the two of them because neither of them had gone all out yet
>>133841461
You speak as if you think Luffy would lose against Fuji.
>>133841531
Luffy took no damage vs Fujitora. Being pushed away is nothing compared to what's happened to him in many of the fights he won. The only fights he ever lost he was overwhelmingly outmatched immediately, which wasn't the case at all vs Fujitora.
>>133840811
Its a devil fruit power. Just like Barto's fruit has barriers that are most likely impossible, if not really hard to break, Doflamingo's strings are incredible durable, and Birdcage is most likely tightly bound strings, making razor sharp ropes of incredibly durable strings. A devil fruit does what it does best, because it's it's only power, and it has to do that best. A fruit that gives you strings that can be easily cut is pointless, because it removes your main strength from being a threat. It would be like Barto having barriers made of glass.
>>133841574
Because it was not a sincere fight.
Fujitora has not once gone all out.
>>133841509
>The timeskip's purpose was literally to allow Luffy to fight admirals
No it wasn't The timeskips purpose was to allow Luffy and his crew to survive in the New World. Just like before the New World the Strawhats, at least Luffy, Sanji and Zoro, were abnormally strong for their place in life, they have leveled up the same way with the New World
>>133841509
This right here does not look like "toe to toe", it more makes the impression Luffy got saved by Haijruudin in this scene
>>133841605
Luffy was not going all out either.
>>133841623
>Hey, I'm still fighting!
>saved
What? Luffy is unharmed. It's not pre skip anymore. He specifically trained with Rayleigh so he could beat an admiral.
>>133841509
You may as well say the timeskip's purpose was for Luffy to be able to match Yonkous.
Admirals are second to only Yonkous in terms of their strength ratings on average. Luffy is good enough now to hold his own a little better, but he's not stronger than admirals or Yonkou at this time.
>>133841615
>to survive in the New World
can't do that as a pirate if admirals can beat you
>>133841689
You mean every pirate in the New World can beat admirals?
Wow. That's impressive.
>>133841615
Luffy flashed back to Kizaru raping his crew when he agreed to train with Rayleigh, right before he agreed, as well.
Luffy surviving in the new world requires he be able to fight an admiral, because he needed to be able to in the regular grand line and couldn't, and his whole crew almost died because of it.
>>133841623
Dude, what ? It gives off the exact opposite impression. Hajrudin only grabbed Luffy because they had to get the hell out of dodge. Look at who's panting and being exasperated ? I feel like you posted the worst page possible for your case.
>>133841684
>He specifically trained with Rayleigh so he could beat an admiral.
Nope, he was trained so he could beat a yonkou, because I said so.
>>133841684
>Hey, I'm still fighting!
>thinking Luffy ever had judgement skills when it came to the strength of his opponents
>>133828882
why she got slippers on it's cold
>>133841655
If Fuji went all out he would destroy Luffy. Hes an Admiral for a reason. But the entire time he fought Luffy he was still hesitating, because he was not like the other Admirals, who held firmly to the marines sense of justice, even Kuzan followed orders without hesitation even if he had personal problems with the orders. Fujitora is different, he doesn't even like the marines and follows his own justice and morals, even if it means going against his superior's orders
>>133841717
Luffy is a much bigger target than "every pirate" though. The admirals already tried to kill him and his crew multiple times. Most pirates in the new world have not been attacked by Kizaru, Aokiji, and Akainu before they even got there.
>>133841722
And why did they have to get the hell out of there? Oh that's right...because Fujitora is strong enough to literally solo every person there. The fleet even said it themselves
>>133828968
Huh. Oda has some strange fetishes.
>>133841726
He does though, he told his crew to run from Kizaru, made a mano e mano deal with Aokiji because he thought his crew would die otherwise, and yelled out that he was weak when he got delivered to rayleigh after flashing back to an admiral killing his brother.
>>133841749
The some of the Supernovas were.
Guys look. Luffy was admiral level and went toe-to-toe with Aokiji before even Water 7.
>>133841719
Surviving in the New World doesn't require fighting an Admiral, hell, if were going by that logic, surviving in the New World requires being able to fight a Yonko, since they are more of a force in the New World than any of the Marines are. But no, Luffy trained so he could have the strength to tackle the threats of the New World and protect his crew, since he was too weak to do anything for them before. Not specifically to fight an Admiral.
>>133841761
They had to leave because Sengoku and Tsuru were on the island too, and because Fujitora was going to target the fleet's structures, not because Luffy was in any kind of 1v1 trouble.
>>133841788
This doesn't invalidate what I said in the slightest. The supernova are a fold above regular new world pirates as well.
>>133841798
In this example Luffy was immediately overwhelmed and knew he would be overwhelmed so he made Aokiji agree to let it be 1v1 only.
Against Fujitora Luffy announced he would fight anybody, made no such precautions, and took no damage.
>>133841798
And his plot armor served him well indeed!
>>133841722
Hes exasperated because Luffy got him mad. Luffy went all out against Fujitora when they clashed, even if he was calling his attacks out he was fighting with the full intent to beat Fuji, Luffy has never once held back when hes fighting someone.
>inb4 mangareader
>>133841845
>are a fold above
Bonney, Capone and Urogue don't look like it.
>>133841800
For Luffy's crew just surviving the first half of the grand line required the former pirate king's first mate + a shichibukai android personally saving him and his crew specifically because he couldn't fight an admiral.
His brother also died because he couldn't fight an admiral.
And again, these are the things he flashed back to when he agreed to train with Rayleigh.
>>133841883
Bonney was defeated by a yonko.
We know very little about Capone.
Urouge is a beast.
>>133841873
This translation is wrong and you should kill yourself for posting shitpanda to make a point
>>133841916
>very little about Capone
He folded and submitted to Big Mom.
>a beast
Who was injured, last we saw him.
>>133841738
he's like Smoker on steroids
>>133841863
>Luffy went all out against Fujitora
That's a whole load of bollocks and you know it. He only threw some Gear 3 punches. Nameless ones. Just swings. You think that's going all out ? Fuck no. Hell, Luffy even blocks Fujitora's swing with his hand.
>>133841887
And again, he didn't train specifically for an Admiral. He and his crew all realized what they needed wasn't training to fight Admirals, it was the strength, alone, to fight against the New World. The New World doesn't have the Marine's presence, so it's much less likely they would ever run into an Admiral in the New World, the danger in the New World comes from the Yonko and their fleets, which control the New World completely. If Luffy was getting strong enough to survive the New World he would be aiming to beat a Yonko, not an Admiral, if he was aiming for anything like you said.
>>133841961
>Luffy even blocks Fujitora's swing with his hand.
When?
>>133841873
>I can't keep saying "I'll beat him someday."
is what he actually says, but that goes against your argument that Luffy isn't ready to fight an admiral.
>>133841927
Nigger, what ? Only the words are diffent. They both say the same damn thing.
>I will beat all off you up if I have to, or I'll never be Pirate King
>If I don't beat up all of them, I'll never become Pirate King
Hell, even in your superior translation, Luffy says "I can't keep saying I'll beat him someday"
Luffy's done running away. He trained for 2 years so that he could protect everyone. So that he wouldn't have to be in a spot like Sabaody.
>>133841986
And again, the fact that Luffy was shown remembering his fights vs admirals specifically when he agreed to train with Rayleigh and his statement when he fights Fujitora that he can't keep saying he'll be stronger than them "someday" strongly suggests you're in error.
>>133842058
That's what we are saying. Luffy is strong enough to fight an admiral and win right now.
>>133842005
I know, mangareader, it's just the link I have open.
>>133842024
Who the fuck said I was arguing on that side ?
>>133841961
No, he was using Gear 3rd and Gear 2nd attacks, along with his armament Haki, while shouting his attacks, meaning he couldn't call out his attack names, all the while Fujitora was tossing him around like a rag doll. Why the hell would Luffy even hold back against an Admiral, for another matter. You're spouting bullshit if you think he was holding back when he was using two Gears to fight.
>>133842077
Wait a minute, I'm on Luffy's side. I posted that to show Luffy trained to beat all tyese strong guys. Not yo show that Fuji was unbeatable. How did this misunderstanding pop up ?
>>133842061
No, you are saying hes flashing back to those specifically because hes training to beat Admirals. Hes not. He flashed back to them to remember the times he was too weak to beat his enemies. If he trained specifically to beat Admirals, he would still get his shit pushed in against the Yonko. Luffy trained to get the strength to beat anyone, not just Admirals and certainly not specifically them.
>>133842082
>holding back so much Fujitora was insulted by it
>not holding back
>>133842082
If luffy isn't using G4 then he's holding back.
>>133842141
He wasn't insulted by Luffy holding back, he was insulted that Luffy was trying to help him by calling his attacks out because Fuji was blind. He was angry because he thought Luffy was pitying him.
>>133842138
I think Luffy will initially get his shit pushed in when he fights a yonko, then defeat him, like vs Crocodile.
The difference between fujitora and luffy is less than the difference between crocodile and luffy when they fought. Luffy still beat Crocodile, and I imagine he will still beat a yonko too, with great effort.
>>133842082
Dude, he obviously wasn't going all out though, was he ? He didn't just smap Gattling, did he ? He didn't just King Kong Gun, did he ? He didn't just use Gear 2 and spam Redhawk, did he ? No. He yelled out his fucking attacks because he thought it'd be unfair otherwise. He was basically pitying a fucking Admiral. Tossing him around like a rag doll ? Where the fuck did you pull that from ? Fuji used Gravito once and Luffy was grabbed up immediately.
>>133842202
Pitying him by tangibly holding back. Fuji thought Luffy believed he was weak because he was blind, and felt the need to announce he was strong and state that Luffy made him serious. After which he still failed to do any damage to Luffy.
>>133842129
I think this assortment of arguments has a major problem the is confusing people, and that is, where everyone stands.
I am >>133842082 this guy, and my stance isn't that Luffy CAN'T beat Fujitora, its that Luffy would have a ridiculously hard fight to win against him, as he wasn't holding back against Fuji and the guy was still casually blocking and knocking him around. Whenever Luffy eventually gets to fighting an Admiral for real, it will probably be his most difficult fights outside of Yonko battles.
>>133842228
Let's not forget that the crew jumps in power after every fight. Luffy's going to get stronger and stronger by the time he faces off against a Yonkou. Plus, if a friend is in trouble, like Momo or Sanji, they're gonna get an even bigger power boost.
>>133842272
I don't think Luffy would casually defeat Fujitora, he just would defeat him, as he is now. So really we have no disagreement. Of course Admirals are near the top of the food chain when it comes to fighting in One Piece.
>>133842310
Luffy usually baselines for a long time. He learned Gears and then Haki, these are two most notable strength increases. He was just base Luffy all the way until Water 7, being clever to overcome disadvantages (water luffy because when he got hooked through the chest he noticed his wet hand could grab Crocodile) was always just a part of his base strength.
If you mean overcoming a man in a hard fight, I agree with you. He doesn't need a new power up to beat an admiral though, he already has the tools.
>>133842272
I respectfully disagree. I think Luffy can win against Fujitora specifically. Not Kizaru or ex-Akainu. Admirals obviously don't have the exact same power. Their abilities and mastery of their fruits and Haki varies. That's why I think Luffy can beat Fujitora. Obviously it won't be easy and Luffy would probably be passed out at the end but I think, in a fair fight, with both parties at full health, Luffy can beat Fujitora. Not the Admirals. Just Fujitora.
And this is not yo say Fuji is a weak ass Admiral. It's just a favarouble match-up is all. Like how Luffy would get his ass kicked by Mr.1 and Zoro would probably instantly lose against Crocodile. The title "Admiral" holds some power but it all comes down to the person.
>>133842272
Bro, I don't think anyone is saying Luffy will "easily" beat Issho. It's going to be messy as hell.
>>133842231
The fight was less than a fucking minute, when has Luffy ever thrown out ALL of his big time attacks right from the start of a fight. He was using Gear 3rd and 2nd at the same time and swapping between the two for the small length of the fight, so yet he was going fucking serious. He wasn't pitying him either, Luffy fucking said it himself, he didn't hate Fujitora, so he couldn't just fight a blind man, Luffy is too kind hearted to just do that, but he was still fighting seriously, fully intended to attack while revealing all his moves. Also >>133842082 Fuji is tossing Luffy around all over the place
>>133842261
>Tangibly holding back
What. Come on man thats bullshit and you know it. Luffy has never held back in a fight. Yes Fujitora was ready to cut Luffy's head off, but then Luffy made him laugh and broke his determination, then Luffy got taken out of the fight. Fujitora's whole part in Dressrosa showed he wasn't completely willing to kill Luffy, and the citizens running took whatever wind was left in his sails and he just lost all intent on taking Luffy out.
So whos character is a better mirror to luffys Kidd or Teach?
Kidd wants to be the pirate king, is relatively new to the grandline and hates people with no resolve
Teach wants to be the pirate king, strongly believes in dreams and seems to have alot of faith in his crew
>>133842423
Why would Fujitora be any different from the other Admirals? Hell we don't even know about Ryokugyu yet.
>>133842379
No, not at all. Like Zoro says, they all grew after each Island. Luffy stuck in Buggy's cage does not have the same strength as Luffy who beat up Enel and Crocodile. Physically. They all grew strong. Kinda like +5ing strength after each fight. They don't look any different because it's a manga.
>>133842423
Fuji has to actually put in effort not to get hit.
The other admirals can take whatever attack as long as their haki > opponent.
It has more to do with DF type than personal strength,
