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>>133618610
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Hard work + dedication + consistency = success.
>>133647776
Delete that shit right now.
たとえ
ちのつながりがなくても
ぶんかのつながりがあれば
あなたはわたしたちのたいせつなかぞく
がんばって。
So I'm currently studying Japanese at one of the top Tokyo universities.
Last term I had four courses: comprehesive which consisted of memorising a textbook chapter per night and then doing mind numbing "games" for 3 hours, in between being retaught the chapter we had already learnt and had been tested on first thing. This course completely ignored kanji, yet worked through N5/4. The next course was kanji, which consisted of being given a random list of about 50 words to memorise and learn to write each week, with no instruction as to radicals, stroke order or any sensical kanji learning order. Note, these words had no relation to the comprehensive course. The last two "theme" courses consisted of lists of theme words to memorise each week, also with random kanji.
This term: more comprehensive, where we work through a textbook in class. Fair enough, but it's at a much slower pace than I could do it by myself. This course also expects you to know kanji that wasn't taught in the previous comprehensive course. More theme classes, all as useless as last term.
In additon, as it is a university, there are advanced students taking beginner/lower intermediate classes just for the credits. This means that everyone taking the correct level is left feeling dumb and too shy to speak out in class. Not a great learning atmosphere.
Honestly, I was really close to not coming back for my second term. My university is costing double what a regular language school would. I really wish I had just gone to a regular school.
I took a language course for a different language previously in my home country at university. We spent the classes going through level appropriate native videos, audio files and working through the textbook. The class moved at a good pace.
Has anyone else taken a university course here in Japan and felt the same way? Am I just expecting too much?
HHAHAHAHAH FUCKING WEABOS
>>133647861
Stop copying reddit posts. This is your last warning.
>>133647903
No.
こんにちは
I'm (trying to) learn Kanji by vocab, but sometimes I feel that the don't get the right amount of words for this, sometimes it seens too few, and sometimes to much. (If something like this exists)
For example I list like 50 words that use 「日」Kanji and feel odd by using like 4 for 「五」it makes me feel weird, (one character have tons~ of words, and some almost to none), (I'm doing a Anki core, to some words are good, but I cant remember some because I don't even know all Kanji in the expression)
I know that is good to take real Japanese media (I watch anime read manga, but idk some ppl says that its not a good viable method of adquiring vocab)to get the frequent words, but I only know NHK, Asahi and Nikkei (Can someone recommend something more or maybe something more begineer friendly)?
So, how to know if I'm good enough in a certain character to going progress to other?
http://strawpoll.me/6032231
>>133647924
>>133647861
You have by far the best tool for learning Japanese available to you: Being in Japan.
Go out, meet Japanese people, talk to people in Japanese etc.
What you do in school is almost irrelevant in comparison.
If I was in Japan my strategy for learning Japanese would be, spend my mornings grinding vocab because there's just so many fucking words you need to know. Then I'd spend afternoons and evenings out and about, talking to anyone who's willing to talk to me, which should be a lot of people because you're an exotic gaijin and if nothing else they want to practice their English on you.
Why finding raw manga is so much harder than scanlations? It's never a problem with games and anime but finding manga I want to read is always such a pain in the butt.
>>133648001
1) CoR
2) Nyaa
3) Google
4) Perfect Dark
>>133647865
>mfw steve has been practically forgotten
>>133648021
>4) Perfect Dark
But I don't want to host cheese pizza
>>133648050
It's okay you'll be hosting pepperoni pizza
>reddit thinks that pretty much everything this thread believes is good for learning is trash.
Something doesn't add up and I can tell you I'm not exactly siding with the NEET side of the issue.
>>133647940
Manga is fine. Your personal interest vocabulary actually ends up driving itself. If you like to read sci-fi, you'll end up learning a lot of sci-fi related words that will make reading more easier.
>>133647994
>which should be a lot of people because you're an exotic gaijin
Not in Tokyo, they're used to foreigners. Plenty of people still willing to talk in bars, though.
>>133647994
>which should be a lot of people because you're an exotic gaijin
Holy shit the delusion with these guys is amazing.
>>133648063
Go do your genki workbook then.
>>133648063
Pretty much the only difference between /r/learnjapanese and DJT is that DJT generally prefers tae kim while that sub generally prefers Genki. The general rationale for tae kim is very commonly posted so you can make up your own mind whether you prefer one or the other.
The only person I can think of that has much say from reddit that disagrees with using VNs for reading practice is OfficerKondo, but that's forgiven because he hates RTK so his worldview is consistent.
>>133648021
I of course already use the first three, it's still a pain and some things are just aren't there.
Guess I'll have to check perfect dark out.
>>133648063
Yea, side with the people who spend "5 years" learning and are still using textbooks and children's manga
>>133647944
The idea that you should progress through those in order is retarded.
>>133648150
Make sure to use a VPN and encrypt your hard drives.
>>133648097
I've seen plenty of videos of gaijins having to swat away the hordes of Japanese people coming up to them like "ハロー、ハゥアーユー？"
Sure the majority of people will probably do their best to avoid you but there are some who will seek you out, certainly more so than if you look Japanese, then you're just one in a sea of millions.
>>133648095
Fair point.
>>133648178
Why?
>>133648001
I can find just about anything I want on honto.jp, amazon.jp or cdjapan
>>133648063
Like what? Aside from the Anki drone meme (most people here past the complete beginner stage just use it as a supplement to reading) and Genki vs Tae Kim because that shit doesn't matter and both are supported here even if Tae Kim is preferred.
>>133648213
Perfect Dark is a distributed data store with scarcity prevention capabilities built in. This means that remotely popular files are forcibly mirrored across the network, onto peoples' machines, without them initiating the download. Occasionally, people use Perfect Dark for extremely illegal things. This means that there exist on the network extremely illegal files that can be forcibly uploaded to your computer by the network's AI.
Perfect Dark uses an extremely good encryption model to make it as hard as possible to track down downloaders, but it's proprietary software, so it can't be audited for correctness.
>>133648176
Who implied that? I jumped right into moege after I finished Tae Kim.
>>133648323
>What level stuff are you reading?
It clearly implies there's an order of difficulty among those options and that people advance through it as they progress.
>>133648283
Oh shit. Could you actually get into legal trouble over that though? I'm pretty sure that if something is automatically downloaded to your computer without any manual interaction from you, then you're in the clear legally.
>>133648368
"clearly implies"
>>133648368
Not really. You're reading too much into it.
>>133648259
It takes like a month for shit to arrive here, by that time I'll forget I even wanted to read the fucking thing.
Kindle manga on amazon seems to be region locked so that isn't an option, either.
>>133648405
Yes, really. You might try to obscure the obvious immediate interpretation of the question by taking it only in a very literal sense, but anybody would read it like that.
>>133648387
Wrong.
>>133648387
>Could you actually get into legal trouble over that though?
Probably not. If you're in the USA you *might* be protected under the same laws the protect TOR relays.
>I'm pretty sure that if something is automatically downloaded to your computer without any manual interaction from you, then you're in the clear legally.
One thing is that the automatic partial distribution behavior actually helps protect your privacy because it makes traffic interpretation much more difficult/
>>133648388
>mpv-shot0297.jpg
Get a load of this tech wizard everyone! He uses mpv! Wow!
>>133648499
I use linux. There is nothing strange about using mpv.
>>133648478
I'm sure I remember reading that this was the case. Otherwise if someone posted CP on 4chan (or any other site which allows users to upload content) and your browser automatically downloaded the thumbnail of the image (which it would), you could be charged with possession of child pornography.
>>133648469
No, you're really just reading too much into it. If it really bothers you that much, though here:
http://strawpoll.me/6032231
Note to autists: This poll is not implying that you should progress in order or that you cannot skip a "level" or two. It is just asking what level content you are currently reading / capable of reading.
>>133647683
Has anyone here read Shingeki no Kyojin (in japanese obviously...) ?
I got the entire manga collection as a gift, however, I only started japanese a month ago.
Wondering how long it'll take me to be able to read, I suppose still another year of study before I can attempt it?
>>133648387
>Could you actually get into legal trouble over that though?
You only host parts of the encrypted file and it can't be decrypted without putting it together with the other parts.
There's no way to prove that random scrambled bits of files on your disk are parts of cheese pizza, even if they actually are.
>>133648531
...did the sarcasm in that post really go over your head?
I was making fun of you for setting up mpv to add "mpv" to your screenshot filenames so you could show off that you used it, as though it was something impressive.
>>133648604
Still implies there's an order of difficulty. The very idea that those are "levels" is retarded to begin with.
>>133648653
>There's no way to prove that random scrambled bits of files on your disk are parts of cheese pizza, even if they actually are.
Except if an agent downloads the file and parts happen to come from your IP
Hence using a VPN
>>133648684
That's the default behavior.
>>133648591
The thing is, even if you just view a CP image it gets downloaded to your computer so you're technically in posession if it.
However whether that will actually get you convicted or even charged with something depends on way too many factors to post about here, like local laws, how the judge is feeling that particular day. Basically you're breaking a blanket law that they could get you for, but probably don't in most cases.
So saying you're immune to CP posted on 4chan/whatever is dishonest.
>>133648714
>That's the default behavior.
The default filename is "shotXXXX".
Really, really, really cannot be fucking bothered with my Anki reps today
>>133648764
Yes you can, go for a jog, pour yourself a glass of apple juice and just fucking do it. あきらめんなよ、お前
>>133648764
Use the Skip Today's Reviews add-on then.
>>133648756
$ mpv --no-config Downloads/\[HorribleSubs\]\ Utawarerumono\ -\ Itsuwari\ no\ Kamen\ -\ 07\ \[720p\].mkv
Playing: Downloads/[HorribleSubs] Utawarerumono - Itsuwari no Kamen - 07 [720p].mkv
(+) Video --vid=1 (*) (h264)
(+) Audio --aid=1 --alang=jpn (*) (aac)
(+) Subs --sid=1 --slang=eng (*) (ass)
AO: [alsa] 48000Hz stereo 2ch float
VO: [opengl] 1280x720 yuv420p
AV: 00:00:01 / 00:23:42 (0%) A-V: 0.000
Screenshot: 'mpv-shot0340.jpg'
>--no-config
>Screenshot: 'mpv-shot0340.jpg'
>>133648699
It's just a quick simple poll to gauge peoples' progress, and listing content that is easier/harder on average compared to the other options is an easy way to do that. You're REALLY reading too much into it, but whatever helps you win your "argument". If it genuinely bugs you that much, then make a better poll and post it.
>>133648448
amazon has some crazy ass fast shipping.
Air mail with cdjapan is also quite fast
How short is your span of attention that you can't wait a few weeks for some nice manga or whatever you want to read?
As for the kindle, get a vpn.
女: 今度はさあ、観光でおいでよう
男: もう二度とここには
女: イヤだ、いつかずっと先でもいいから
男: うん
sometimes, simple dialogue is really fucking hard for some reason
>>133648623
anyone?
>>133648924
In a couple of months you can start working your way through it slowly.
>>133648924
You're supposed to start reading after a couple months. As soon as you nail basic grammar, and become familiar with the 2000-some most common words. You learn the language THROUGH reading, you absolutely do not learn the language and only *then* read.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40
載
>>133648981
It's not used like that, it's used like 転載
>>133648062
>pepperoni pizza
>>133648837
>It's just a quick simple poll to gauge peoples' progress
Oh, so now it's suddenly about progress again. Don't worry, I'm not bothered in the least, just pointing out how dumb it is to rate progress like that.
I've been thinking, and I remember a video where Steve said that his Japanese was still improving after 9 years in Japan. I thought, yeah okay, of course, sometimes I improve my English and I'm a native. But what if he didn't mean it like that? What if after 9 years of daily interaction with the language, one will still be engaged in a real struggle? I'm scared, anons.
>>133648965
>>133648958
thank you!
>>133649116
Again, why are you being so autistic about something so incredibly minor? Or are you just baiting at this point? Make a better poll if you're that assblasted over it, I'm done replying.
>>133649116
please stop, not even /I/ care
>>133648039
>>133649150
You just had to jinx it, didn't you?
>>133649116
Progress as in, are you reading or not, and if you are what do you like reading?
Even I'm not autistic enough to read that much into, you need to chill.
>>133649150
After 10 years of English (ages 6-16) I was absolutely fluent, don't worry. Even after 5-6 years (keep in mind, we're talking ages 6-12 here) I could communicate just fine in English. And my only source of learning has been using the language for games and reading/posting on the internet, no studying.
Word of the day: 三文文士
ちなみに、「文」は昔のお金の単位で、三文は低い価値のものと言う意味になります
>>133649222
There's that guy spamming Steve memes that really build up an anti-counter culture (I'm still a bit upset about that), but in reality any DJT goer worth his salt has learned a lot from Steve so his memory won't ever be forgotten. At least for the older people here.
>>133649281
You can't compare learning English with Japanese, especially if you're European.
>>133649286
サンクス、参考になった
>good friend of mine gets hired to do E->J translation of a game
>lets me do some of the non-proprietary lines
>tells me the voice cast has already been chosen
>mfw it only just now occurs to me that some common seiyuu might actually read lines that I wrote
>>133649325
what game
>>133649325
>E->J
I hope you're a native Japanese because you should never ever translate into a non-native language
That's what leads to shitty translations
>>133649344
FF 15
>>133649309
I'll get back to you in a few years when I'm fluent to tell you how wrong you are.
>>133649353
See: Tsukihime, FSN
>>133649344
I don't know if I can say
>>133649353
I know this, it makes me wonder why they hired my friend - he's better at the language than I am but he's not a native Japanese speaker either.
>>133649371
>in a few years when I'm fluent
>>133649420
They go with anyone that's fluent in both languages and native in at least one of them.
Games that are big enough for the fine details of translation quality to matter have editors as well, not just translators.
>>133649440
Thanks for the motivation shitstain, you'd be surprised how much people who are better than you can accomplish. For the next week I'll add another 30 minutes of practice just for you.
>>133649420
They just don't give a fuck. It's some irrelevant crap game for the xbox, isn't it?
>>133650522
Fuck off, you won't accomplish anything.
高校の時の先生を結婚式に招待した。
What the point of having 時 here exactly
>>133650653
Making it clear he isn't in highschool anymore
>>133650686
Oh okay, the translation didn't make it clear, thanks
>>133650653
It's "my teacher from when I was in highschool".
You could leave out 時 and it'd probably be understood but it's a bit ambiguous, is it your 先生、some 先生 from the 高校 you work at, or just some random 高校の先生 etc?
>>133650522
>people who are better than you
That's not you, though.
>>133650941
And what do you base that on?
>>133650624
We'll see motherfucker.
>>133650522
>For the next week I'll add another 30 minutes of practice just for you.
Is that supposed to be a lot? And for an entire week, damn. Get out dumbfag.
>>133650994
It's clear that you're a feeble cunt. That's why you won't learn.
>>133651026
30 minutes per day*
It's plenty more just for some little fag on a message board.
>>133651170
Funny thing is, you won't actually do it and you know it.
>>133651170
You either work and you learn, or you don't work and don't learn. Which one is it going to be?
Today we seem to have more trolls than usual
>>133651347
The Jews haven't been mentioned yet
>>133651112
Yes, feed me more motivation.
>>133651210
I already did today's.
>>133651214
What?
>>133648178
That sounds like a lot of work and the chances of it mattering sound awful low. I'll take my chances.
>>133651391
>I already did today's.
The fact you're speaking past tense tells me you're not looking forward enough like a real winner would.
How many words do you guys mine a day?
I was wondering if I should limit myself to mining say 20 words from reading that day and before going to sleep, do those cards in Anki and repeat the next day. So my memory for those words will be fresh and I can remember exactly how I got them from the part in the VN. Or does it matter?
I have a backlog of 200 words that I have in Anki right now that I can finish in 10 days. Wondering if I should change up my method to help retention.
Currently, I have just been going ham on adding words.
>>133651618
>Currently, I have just been going ham on adding words.
Stop that. You'll burn out.
fansub of the day
今日は負けた。
>>133651618
None
To be quite honest my family member for me it just serves as a waste of time I could be spending reading instead, and in any given text I would mine a word from I am certain to see it again with enough frequency to get the hang of it.
>>133651757
>true
Which is easier, reading Shakespeare in the original English or reading the Japanese translation?
>>133651914
The Japanese translation.
>>133651914
English would be harder. Assuming you where just as good at japanese as you are at english. mainly becouse the japanese version is a never translation.
>>133652013
That manga is BOOOOOOORING
>>133651914
That would depend of how good your English is, and how good your Japanese is.
>>133648913
>simple dialogue
I know the example you posted might not be that guilty in this respect, but a lot of what makes simple dialogue so seemingly simple is conceptually some of the most finnicky and complex aspects of the language.
You know, like colloqualisms, contractions, ellipses, indirect references, idiosyncratic speech patterns, intentional omissions (and/or hanging particles, unfinished sentences), equivocations, double entendres, insinuations, direct assertion avoidance, not to mention the way sentence patterns can become simultaneously more and more ambiguous and more and more complex as someone begins by struggling to articulate exactly what they want to say and eventually arrives at an appropriate determination by retroactively modifying the earlier clauses (there's probably a precise lingusitic term for this somewhere but I can't be bothered).
Turns out it can be pretty hard
>>133652013
ぞい子 would never google something lewd like that
観光
見物
>>133651914
Literally depends if you are fluent in early modern english or not.
Of course Shakespeare's english is like Hegel's german in that it really isn't condusive to translation at all.
>>133652204
存在
実存
実在
現実
真実
実際
>>133652202
She's a pretty lewd girl, you know.
>Doing Tae Kim
>It sucks
>Realize I was on "The Complete Guide"
Fuck.
Reminder not to fall for the debian forum trick where someone intentionally responds to their own question with an incorrect answer in order to fish through the ensuing shitflinging for correct responses.
>>133652765
Yeah god forbid someone actually tries to learn Japanese here. Fuck off back to your plebian forums.
>>133652765
I do that all the time but more subtle
>>133652765
Reminder not to trust DJT for help with anything other than basic beginner-tier questions.
>>133652556
No, she is pure
>>133652860
Excuse me? Telling people not to fall for it means not starting a flamewar.
>>133652878
Reminder not to trust imabi unless it's not covered in DOJG (because he can only do advanced topics correctly for some reason)
>>133652878
Definitely this. We've got a real pack of Anki-tards here.
>>133652987
haven't used anki in months, feels great, enjoying my first VN
Don't be like me.
>>133652966
Reminder not to trust any instructional material completely unless you have another source of instruction you can use to cross-reference its coverage of the topic in question with.
>>133652915
Yes you're right it's better if everyone posts questions and incorrect answers and no one posts the correct answers.
>>133652987
They are called beginners.
>>133652885
ピュアであるかも、僕は彼女をまだ強姦したいけど。
>>133652885
No she's boring
>>133652765
>someone intentionally responds to their own question with an incorrect answer in order to fish through the ensuing shitflinging for correct responses.
Why did I never think of this before?
>>133653157
>Yes you're right it's better if everyone posts questions and incorrect answers and no one posts the correct answers.
So what you're saying is rewarding shitposting is a good thing.
>>133647683
So I'm totally new to this. Don't know any more Japanese than anime has taught me over the years. I've started with learning with this guide: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/grammar_guide.pdf
For the moment, I'm trying to learn to read/write Hiragana. It's going decently, I suppose, I've been trying to do learn some new kanji every day.
I'm wondering, though: is Japanese itself difficult? Like the tenses, or the vocabulary, things like that?
>>133652885
Nah, she loves taking it in the cunt from random co-workers.
>>133653254
>is Japanese itself difficult?
Whether something is difficult or not depends entirely on you anon.
For all that I can tell you've already been at it. What do you think, is Japanese difficult?
>trying to learn a language that takes natives 18 years to learn in an intensive environment
You CANNOT learn Japanese.
>>133653254
I learnt from anime. Japanese itself is easy, the only hard part is kanji. Vocab takes time but isn't exactly hard, just like with every other language
Do you think it's possible to learn Japanese in 4 years with 2 hours of practice a day Monday to Saturday and 3 hours a day Saturday and Sunday, as well as a month's visit to Japan each year?
I know I should be practising rather than thinking about it, but I just want to know if it's a reasonable goal. I'll be at university for 4 years and if I want to bag a graduate job in Japan I'll need "native fluency".
>>133653408
How to spot an upper middle beginner
>>133653440
How to spot a shitposter
>>133653411
That'll be plenty, as long as you study efficiently. (read, flashcards, good grammar guides, etc; not Rosetta stone). Just be sure you're actually spending the full 2 hours studying, and not studying for 30 minutes with 90 minutes of mind wandering
>>133653411
You'll find out if it was enough in four years, won't you?Most likely yes, four years is a lot of time
>>133653320
Not really. I've heard it doesn't have a future tense, which is one thing less to learn. Don't think any grammar can be as bizarre as the optativus obliquus they shoved down my throat in middle school, but was curious.
Can't really judge on the difficulty so far, though. Only on hiragana so far. Plus I imagine anime Japanese is different from 'actual' Japanese.
>>133653408
>>133653408
Whoops. Meant to say that that's good to hear. Thanks, anon.
>>133653533
>I've heard it doesn't have a future tense, which is one thing less to learn.
Lacking future tense is more annoying than anything, it's something that will occasionally trip you up even a long time form now
>>133653513
Rosetta Stone is basically like Anki, so it should be fine.
>>133653533
>Not really
There you go. You can change your opinion any time if you find it to be actually difficult.
Personally, I never considered Japanese horribly difficult. It's more a matter. It's mainly a matter of effort and time, but not something more difficult than learning any other language.
>>133653385
By that logic nobody can ever learn any second language unless they live in a native environment for 18 years, which is funny because I know how to read, write, speak and listen to English even though I've only been to an English speaking country once and only stayed there for a week.
>>133653513
>>133653528
Thanks, guys. Thinking about it, I'll be hard pressed to get 2 hours a day in addition to my studies but I'll do my best!
>>133653631
English is the language of retards. It takes 6 months to learn.
>>133653320
FWIW Japanese is classified as one of the hardest languages to learn for English speakers.
>>133653683
Yeah, according to the department of defense it takes five times longer to reach a level of proficiency in Japanese as it takes to reach the same level in Spanish.
I guess this depends on how you define difficulty. In this case it's just how long it takes to reach a level of proficiency.
>>133653533
>Plus I imagine anime Japanese is different from 'actual' Japanese.
It's roughly as different as anime dubs English is from 'actual' English. People speak faster, they sound more slurred and there is more use of slang, but it's fundamentally the same. If you practice listening from anime, listening to people actually talking might be a bit challenging, but nothing compared to how challenging it was to get used to listening to anime in the first place. Source, somebody who went through that exact experience.
Dialects on the other hand...
So let me resume.
It's ひとつ、 ふたつ、 みっつ、 よっつ、 いつつ、 むっつ、 ななつ、 やっつ、 and finally ここのつ, right?
>>133653408
Yes, Kanji is very hard and will take years for you to master. You can study all your life and still not reach 2,000 Kanji (The number of kanji required to enroll in japanese middle school).
>>133653824
I think it's reasonable to assume that the vast majority of anons speak some mixture of English and European languages that are more or less related to English, so it's not a stretch to claim that for the average anon, Japanese and Chinese will be the hardest languages to learn. Assuming the DoJ has any idea what they are talking about.
>>133653408
I guess that depends on the person, but I think of Kanji exactly the same as what you think of vocab. It takes time, but it isn't exactly hard, and in Kanji's case it's not even that much time.
>>133653896
Download rikaichan.
>>133653918
I've been studying half-assedly for maybe a year and a half, and I'm over halfway to 2,000 so stop speaking out of your ass.
>>133653592
>>133653827
Slow your roll there buddy
Just imagine for a second how retarded someone would sound if they learned how to speak english by copying what they saw in South Park, Family Guy, Rick and Morty, etc...
>>133654038
I like to believe people are not that stupid.
>>133654003
>>133654038
Sure they would speak funny but that's easy enough to adjust later, they could still be functionally literate which is more than you can say about half of all Americans anyway.
>>133654151
なるほど、馬鹿にさせた。Orz
Apparently I've been pronouncing the ら行 (らりるれろ) wrong all of this time. When I said ゆるゆり, a Japanese native said that he heard it as ゆうゆい. This is likely because I'm so used to pronouncing it "Yuru Yuri".
Can I please get some advice on how to learn to pronounce the ら行 correctly, and how to break this really bad habit I've got into?
I'm kind of confused at when 上手 should be used.
Core gives an example as
>いもうとは歌うが上手です
>My sister can sing well
So let's say I want to say "I can write songs well."
>僕は曲を作る出来る "I can write songs."
How would I say I do this action well? 上手 or すごく? Do you ever use すごく to refer to your actions?
I've only recently started so please excuse me if I'm being an idiot.
>>133655335
>作る
You just wrote two verbs right after one another. You gotta use potential form. できる is just the potential form of する.
>>133655244
Are you using the English "r" sound when you say them? The "r" in Japanese is closer to our "l" sound.
Do you even listening practice?
>>133655244
How do you say it?
http://vocaroo.com/
>>133655335
僕は曲を作るのが上手です。
I think. Take this with a truck load of salt because I'm still at beginner level.
>>133653937
Their metric for their estimated difficulty comes from observing their students, people who study 8+ hours a day +immersion + native speaker input and may already know several languages. The real estimate of difficulty is even higher for an anon on here, but ultimately it comes down to how well they're teaching in the first place to arrive at that conclusion.
>>133655479
So should I be saying it like the English "l" sound?
>>133652765
THAT'S MOTHERFUCKING GENIUS
>>133655744
No.
>>133655417
>You just wrote two verbs right after one another.
Yeah I knew something was wrong, I just didn't know how to fix it.
>You gotta use potential form
>僕は曲を作れる
Is that all? I don't need any sort of verb declaring I'm doing said verb? Though I guess two verbs is kind of redundant.
I haven't gotten to potential conjugation yet, so this is good to learn.
>>133655656
So の is showing that the statement "I can make a song" is related to the following adjective, and が just indicates what action is skillful?
>>133655244
>When I said Yuru Yuri, a Japanese native said that he heard it as yuuyui. This is likely because I'm so used to pronouncing it "Yuru Yuri".
>>133655335
The correct answer is: 僕は曲を作ることがすごく上手です。
「すごく」is a modifier that increases the potency of the following word, eg. すごく好き、すごく高い、すごく甘い。Really like, really high, really sweet.
Also no one will ever say 僕は曲を作ることがすごく上手です in Japan because it makes them sound like a pretentious dick.
Give me motivation to do my 600reps + 13 pages of math.
(Preferably steve)
>>133656061
Forget the math.
>>133653896
Start learning kanji fucking YESTERDAY. This isn't helping you.
someone post japanese asmr i can fall asleep to while studying
>>133656416
what is asmr
>>133655811
>>So の is showing that the statement "I can make a song" is related to the following adjective, and が just indicates what action is skillful?
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but as I understand it
>僕は
Sets "I"/"Me" as the topic.
>曲を作るのが
の encapsulates "曲を作る" and essentially turns that phrase into a noun which can then be described. が then identifies that phrase as the thing which you are skilled at (上手です。).
See the section about の here for a better explanation:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/nounparticles
Alternatively (and preferably) look up の3 (page 318, which is the 328th page of the PDF file) in the Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar.
We should also include a German guide in the OP.
>>133656444
People get mind boners from whispering now. The degeneracy is strong.
>>133656530
>he says posting on 4chan
>>133656444
>what is google
>>133656499
Deutsch kann man noch weniger lernen als Japanisch.
Der, die und das werden dich dein Leben lang verfolgen.
>>133656677
Der Jude
Die Juden
>>133656837
Der Ali
Die Alis
>>133656447
Wow, okay, I haven't gotten that far with Tae Kim yet. That makes a lot of stuff so much clearer, thanks.
This is what I learned Japanese for
苺
>>133657254
母に草が生えると苺になる
延暦敵撤退
>>133657325
違う！母がくれた草は苺だ！
>>133656990
No problem, but bear in mind that I'm a beginner so I may have made a mistake when I wrote that sentence (since nobody made fun of me though, it might be the case that I did indeed get it right).
Here's the DOJG page I mentioned. If you haven't downloaded the DOJG yet, I seriously recommend that you do. There were a lot of parts in Tae Kim's guide which I found confusing, but after looking them up in the DOJG I had no trouble with them because the explanations in there are so well done.
The DOJG entry for this section also contains a list of common verbs and whether の or こと should be with them.
>>133656677
Very well, I begin to cipher out the German for that answer. I begin at the wrong end, necessarily, for that is the German idea. I say to myself, "Regen (rain) is masculine -- or maybe it is feminine -- or possibly neuter -- it is too much trouble to look now. Therefore, it is either der (the) Regen, or die (the) Regen, or das (the) Regen, according to which gender it may turn out to be when I look. In the interest of science, I will cipher it out on the hypothesis that it is masculine. Very well -- then the rain is der Regen, if it is simply in the quiescent state of being mentioned, without enlargement or discussion -- Nominative case; but if this rain is lying around, in a kind of a general way on the ground, it is then definitely located, it is doing something -- that is, resting (which is one of the German grammar's ideas of doing something), and this throws the rain into the Dative case, and makes it dem Regen. However, this rain is not resting, but is doing something actively, -- it is falling -- to interfere with the bird, likely -- and this indicates movement, which has the effect of sliding it into the Accusative case and changing dem Regen into den Regen." Having completed the grammatical horoscope of this matter, I answer up confidently and state in German that the bird is staying in the blacksmith shop "wegen (on account of) den Regen." Then the teacher lets me softly down with the remark that whenever the word "wegen" drops into a sentence, it always throws that subject into the Genitive case, regardless of consequences -- and that therefore this bird stayed in the blacksmith shop "wegen des Regens."
N. B. -- I was informed, later, by a higher authority, that there was an "exception" which permits one to say "wegen dem Regen" in certain peculiar and complex circumstances, but that this exception is not extended to anything but rain.
>>133656148
That didn't really motivate me at all.
>>133657503
While reading this gave me a boner, I'd be interested in knowing what happens if you (incorrectly) assume that the rain is feminine or an object, thus taking die or das.
And doing that for every word you encounter seems like a horribly pain.
>>133657522
Refer to >>133647712 then.Am I a fag for actually finding it a good motivator?
>>133657496
Yep, I've downloaded it. Are you using a .rar of pngs for each page though? Because the pdf isn't scanned like that.
>>133657749
Sigh, mate. That one doesn't really do it for me either.
>>133657837
I screencapped the pages from the PDF file, cropped them and then stitched them together.
>>133657907
Woops, was confusing it with the 日本語文法辞典全巻.pdf.
Thanks again anon, you've been a big help.
>>133656416
tonight I am GAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z4bZi0lupw&feature=youtu.be&t=4m51s
>>133657731
Adjectives and verbs also have their own, different, equally confusing conjugation rules.
>>133658226
I'm well aware of the inner workings of the german language (Oder sollte ich das lieber auf Deutsch sagen?), I'm rather curious as to how you would approach such a matter given what you presented me in your previous post.
Do you study linguistics?
>tfw the national language for Germany was changed to Arabic
>>133658035
>Woops, was confusing it with the 日本語文法辞典全巻.pdf.
OP link > CORNUCOPIA OF RESOURCES > 教本 section (look at the bottom of the screen) > CTRL+F for "A Dictionary of Japanese Grammar" (the links at the top of the page are Anki decks, look for pic related further down).
>Thanks again anon, you've been a big help.
No problem.
>>133655244
The closest sound in English is the sound you make in the 'd' of badass and the 'tt' of butter. It's very close to the ラ行 so try using that.
>>133658328
About time.
/dgt/
>>133656444
Autism Spectrum Mental Retardation
They are videos of women whispering and tapping on stuff to calm down spergs,
>>133656061
>13 pages of math.
What math?
Heard you were talking shit like I wouldn't find out.
>>133658705
What is this bolshevik garbage
>>133658326
The previous post was an excerpt from a (very famous) text about the German language, not my own work. Personally, I just use "die" if the noun ends in "e" and otherwise "das", because I consider adverbs a waste of time.
>>133658741
Looks like russian cases
How do you guys go with 送り仮名 (Okurigana)? Here are some quick questions to test your knowledge!
Question: Which is correct?
1. Kawaru a) 変わる b) 変る answer:a
2. Nokoshite a) 残して b) 残て answer:a
3. Mitashite a) 満て b) 満たして answer:b
4. Kagirareta a) 限られた b) 限れた answer:a
5. Sugureta a) 優ぐれた b) 優れた answer:b
6. Tatoeru a) 例える b) 例る answer:a
7. Hagemasu a) 励ます b) 励す answer:a
8. Suzushiku a) 涼しく b) 涼ずしく answer:a
How did you go? The more you think about it, the more uncertain you might get.
How's the "learning" going, Anki sluts?
About how long would it take me to be able to read basic eroge games if I study about 2-3 hours a day?
>>133659365
>not using anki
>>133659365
I know it's bait(or at least I hope it is and that you're not that dumb), but you know the vast majority of people beyond the complete beginner stage who use Anki just use it as a supplement to assist with vocabulary retention and don't spend that much time with it, right?
>>133659365
Quite well thank you
>>133659428
4-5 years.
>>133657503
>Mark Twain
No wonder that was such a pleasant read. Thanks for the tip, the whole thing was fun. I wish I were capable of writing something that clever and amusing about Japanese.
>>133659491
How is it just a "supplement"? It is the best way to remember words including pronunciation and writing, as well as new kanji. When I read sometimes I don't have access to a dictionary so any new words I encounter are useless, and only rarely do I read the same word enough times to remember it as well as something I practice in Anki. Is hating Anki a new maymay?
>>133659428
Depends on how smart you are, how fast you go, and what methods you choose.
Assuming you don't have severe retention problems with brute forcing vocab (or at least learning kanji radicals/components and being able to differentiate similar looking kanji) and you go through Tae Kim / whatever grammar resource you pick fast enough, you could probably be reading really easy moege and/or doujins in around a few months with heavy assistance from a dictionary / text hooker, but you probably will still run into trouble here and there.
>>133659363
I could only read 変 and got 7 out of 8 right, wrong one being 例えるWhat does this mean?
>>133659754
>When I read sometimes I don't have access to a dictionary
How? Are you one of those idiots that don't have a smartphone and act smug about being a retarded Luddite?
>>133659365
Terrible. I read a chapter in Tae Kim, and 2 days later I've completely forgot what I read.
>>133659754
>only rarely do I read the same word enough times to remember it as well as something I practice in Anki
I don't think you could have said it better
>>133659756
Oh, that's a lot better than what I was expecting.
Thanks anon!
>>133659876
What's the best dictionary app?
>>133659872
Go to a casino?
>>133659754
You know my post was meant to be pro-Anki, right? I mean a supplement as in most people beyond the beginner stage (where they can't read yet and don't have a decent base vocab) spend several times more time reading than doing Anki.
>>133658668
Shilov's linear algebra, cram school. Going through several books of math and physics.
>>133659926
No problem. Again, that's assuming you don't run into problems and you're going fast enough. Don't spend any longer than a week memorizing the kana and try to aim to complete Tae Kim in around a month (2-3 pages/lessons a day).
>>133659365
Anki slut reporting in.
I'll be done with it next month.
>>133660213
Eh, you haven't learned shit. Hopefully you'll leave here once you're "done".
>>133660258
>Eh, you haven't learned shit
Nah man, just for you i'll start core10k so i can stay a bit longer even though it contains core 2/6k.
>>133659363
There are rules to okurigana, you don't have to guess them.
>>133660213
for what purpose?
