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BLAME! movie announced.
https://twitter.com/earlbox/status/666567116196196353
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Cool! Gantz!!
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FUCK YES!
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there's already a gantz movie
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Might be cool.

I assume it's gonna be by Polygon?
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>>133637890
No way it's not Polygon.
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>>133636665

I wonder if this would get enough interest to reprint the manga again in English.
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is it CGPD
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>>133636665
How reliable is this information and who is this person tweeting it?
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>>133638057
I hope they're still gonna make a third season of Sidonia. I want my anime original ending after the disaster that was the manga's ending.
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>>133638455
It is printed on the final volume of Sidonia which is in the OP's pic.
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>>133638519
YUHATA PENIS GOING IN AND OUT INSIDE IZANA
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>>133638519
Sinodia is over ? How many cour do they need to do a full anime adaptation ?
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>>133636665
Hopefully they make it work this time
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>>133638665
If they bothered adapting all of the second half, most of which is completely pointless, then they'd probably need two more seasons. That said, much of the development of the first half ends up being pretty pointless as well with that ending.

In my opinion, most of the manga after Benisuzume's defeat is pretty shit, so I really hope they're gonna do an anime original ending.
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>133636665
>666567116196196353
>two 666
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>>133636665
awww yea
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anyone have the longer version of this webm related from the Sidonia S2 BD??

http://a.pomf.cat/rkmalz.webm
http://a.pomf.cat/rkmalz.webm
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>>133636665
>>133638455
Tbqh I was telling you since the 3 of November that there would have been a Blame! anime.
I only didn't know it was a movie and not a series.
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>>133639144
>GBE is red
I wasn't expecting that. I thought it was white with some blue shade.
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>shaft
No thanks
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>>133636665
FUCK YES AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>133639187
Oh, yeah, forgot to add source
http://blog.screenweek.it/2015/11/lucca-2015-tsutomo-nihei-ci-mostra-in-esclusiva-un-concept-art-della-serie-animata-di-blame-481798.php
for who understand Japanese on Italian, watch the video from 30 minutes in
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damn, this was actually a real movie.
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>3D characters

No thanks
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>>133636665
First, oh FUCK YES i love the manga
Second, oh this will be CGI right?
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>>133639477

Almost like this >>133639144
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>>133639418

That looks really good
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>>133639560
the style is not my cup of tea, but that was awesome
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>>133639477
>Second, oh this will be CGI right?

Yes, too much work for hand drawn
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>>133636665
>delicious lanky Cibo animated
Y E S
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hype
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>>133639226
They have it red in Sidonia anime as well.
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I'm pretty mad now.
Why wasn't anybody hype when I posted it?
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>>133640582
I didn't watch Sidonia.
It feels too much like a betrayal of Nihei original style to me.
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>>133640619
because everyone knows not to trust you anon
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>>133640663
But I even sourced it and posted images ;_;
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>>133640649
do you expect movie to be different or something
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now we can now make Cibo a proper waifu and piss off mature seinenfags defending this shitty series
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>>133636665
It's about time.
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>>133640701
I'm talking about themes and everything being so lighthearted and streamlined.
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>>133640723
your face is shitty

Cibo a cute tho
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>>133640649
Nihei himself gives Polygon an approval, plus he also involved in the making of the anime.

Styles change through time. I kinda like cleaner style that he drew in the latter half of Sidonia manga more.
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>>133639246
I doubt Shaft is gonna do it
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>>133640807
>betrayal of original style
artistic burger flippers will never like non-chicken scratch Nihei drawing
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>>133636665
Nice!

>inb4 It is for Netflix.
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>>133640807
I know, I know all too well.
When I asked him he himself told that he was tired of such a dark style, and of people not understanding what he was making, and that it was a natural evolution.
Also, it may be the right time to post this.
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which BD has the longer version of this, sidoniafags?
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Well, haipo dess
(I liked previous coloured slideshow series by the way)
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>>133639246
>Shaft
Yes please

They make the best gloomy atmosphere and it's about time they adapt a series that isn't utter garbage

It's never gonna be as great as Nihei's art, but definitely better than CG we're most likely gonna get
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>>133641172
100% sure that it's from Polygon Picture. They did a CM on the episode 8 of sidonia:

>>133639144 or here >>133641054

i also doubt it will be only one CGI movie. Maybe 3 like Ajin?
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>>133638762
Pretty much.
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>>133638762
There is more action in the second part. I also need to see the captain and Tanikaze fug
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>>133641663
They can still build that in if it matters so much. The action was pretty bland for the most part as far as I remember anyway.

What matters most to me is that the manga's ending makes almost all of the story development throughout the series pointless. It answers no questions and resolves barely anything. And then it just throws a few pointless curve-balls in there for good measure.
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>>133641172
That Blame! OVA was already directed by Shinbo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EunStGCKlSU
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>>133639418
source?
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BUT BIOMEGA IS BETTER MUH MOTORCYCLES
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MOESHIT IS DEAD
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>>133639226
it's also red on the new edition cover
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>>133640804
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>>133636665
HABBENIN
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>>133636665
How long will it be?
I know BLAME! doesnt have much dialogue but it seems long
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>>133636665
So it's a movie after all?
Prepare for butchered pacing and huge chunks of the manga omitted.
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>>133643789
Eh, I have the old version ones.
This makes me a bit sad, I don't like red.
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>>133644347
>So it's a movie after all?
Probably, movieS
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>it will be shitty cgi

Why must it plague my favorite work each time
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Please don't be Polygon, motherfucking PLEASE.
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>>133645704
>>133638057
>>133639418

>>133641054
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>>133640619
Posting when Australia is up doesn't help anon.
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>>133639418
Holy shit that looks fucking good.
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Sidonia S3 never?
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>>133636665
How are they going to fit that into a movie. They're going to have to cut a lot of things. It is an atmospheric manga after all. I don't want them to cut out too much scenery porn
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>>133640986
>no one understands
>after 3 versions dumbing down the story

You would think he would just stop caring
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>>133638762
>>133642206

Season 3 would only be justifiable if it had an anime original ending. There was some cool stuff in the second half of the manga, but it ought to be picked out selectively.

I really need this holy shit the manga was such a letdown.
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>>133636665
>BLAME!
>not Abara
Abara is more fit to cram into a movie
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>>133646216
There were indeed some good parts, it's unfortunate that they just didn't really mean anything with that ending. One of the strangest things to me is how gauna Sho brings the idea of gauna copies having the memories and personality of the original back into the spotlight again and then it's swiftly forgotten again. That shit really got my hopes up for BeniJiro's return. ;_;
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>>133646308
bu Blame new edition need to sell
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>>133639418
WHEN FUCKING WHEN?
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>>133646559

And what about the interior of the ship Shou's Gauna clone as born in? Unless it was all a visual delusion of hers, it seemed as though the Gauna were trying to copy and read the minds of the pilots they capture, then physically interpret those memories.

I think that's really cool because it reminds me of Stannisslaw Lem's Solaris but I'm probably reaching pretty hard.
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The problem with Sidonia was there is no way we can find answers to all Gauna related questions because they can't speak.

Any attempt to change it would destroy the entire world building, so I prefer to have several implications and interpretations.
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I really wanted all of Sidonia to be converted to placenta, and have Nagate return home, not being able to tell the difference.

But I guess "haha the cluster ship accidentally terraformed the planet" and "let's all have babies" were good endings too
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Can someone tell me how the manga ended? I stopped reading after robot girl.
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>>133646820
Wasn't the re print literally butchered?
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>>133646903
There were a lot of neat ideas about transhumanism and alien life and such, really sad that it most of it went to waste,
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>>133646820
I thought they were already doing well? Abras getting a reprint large format now too.

They look amazing. Id buy posters of the covers.
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>>133647173
I don't even remember the plot and MC's name
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Please do not be 3D.
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>>133639418
Anyone have the direct link to this with sound?
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>>133647173
killy found the gene, married cibo, had 3 kids with her and became the ruler of the new world
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>>133647661
What about humans.
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>>133647661
It was 1 kid, with netsphere genes, but close enough.
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>>133641054
>>133639144

Why don't you post the full version?


Here is it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDA1bUkotIk


Look good to me. It's pretty obvious that Polygon is behind this. Maybe the movie is almost ready?
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>>133647812
Looks better than expected

im hype
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>>133647634
>>133647812
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>>133647812
Top voice choice. But I've always imagined the emitter beam as yellow.
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>>133647812
Look glorious in 1080p
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>>133647812
Heh, I've never noticed it, but this is what Tsumugi and the others were watching on TV
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>>133646903
>I think that's really cool because it reminds me of Stannisslaw Lem's Solaris but I'm probably reaching pretty hard.
>Lem system
Not that hard apparently. The giant Shou chapter might be my favorite in the entire series.
And I'm still mad about Yuhata.
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>>133648618
>And I'm still mad about Yuhata.

That was probably the most useless twist the could have been tacked on there. No "reproductive" justification or anything. It's like Nihei was afraid to show a simple same sex relationship despite all the "muh transhumanism" and the fact that Izana was gender neutral when they first met.
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Get ready for the amazing sound design
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How the fuck is this going to adapt the story? Shit takes place over a fucking long period of time and he goes a fucking far away.
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>>133648618
>And I'm still mad about Yuhata.
that's the manga. I hope we get an original ending with the anime then i will brainwash with it
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>>133647173
>>133647661
He goes to the pool with his kid at the end too.
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>>133636665
>BLAME! movie announced.
yes
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>>133645605
TOHA arc could be it's own movie with how much happens during it.
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Creating the space penis was a mistake.
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Hold me /a/ this was on my top 3 dreams
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>>133636665
I've been waiting for this for more than a decade, Killy.
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>>133650614
Was it also a dream for Polygon Pictures to do it?
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>>133647233
Personal tastes. I've only seen one anon making a big deal out of it.
Some bits had been cleaned up, but nothing all that bad, personally.
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>>133645704
Full CG is fine for something like Blame.
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>>133650964
The problem is the character animation was not a highlight in Sidonia. I would also kill for a 60 fps version of the movie.
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>>133646047
The really sad thing is that you see the same apply to other anime too. Even for a lot of straightforward shows, you still have people bitching about non-existent plot holes because they don't pay attention.

No wonder the typical anime needs a shit ton of narration and echoing of the same damn information.
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>>133646308
I personally prefer either Digimortal or Noise to be adapted instead. They're both relatively short and much more action oriented and have more action, so they're more likely to have a bigger audience. I'm excited about Blame but at the same time I'm worried that it might not be as well received.
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>>133651059
Exactly. CG isn't the problem. It's how it's used and in the case of Blame, it'll work out fine.
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>>133651059
>>133647812
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>>133651059
Is there any additional cost in making a 60 FPS CG movie (other than the rendering time)?
I mean, it can be a pain in 2D because you have to draw more frames, but I don't if that makes any difference in 3D.
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>>133651311
Don't think their is additional costs besides rendering time. I have no idea why no one does it they can even sell it for more when they sell the BD's.
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>>133651311
>>133651421

I'd say the overall movie would require more "data" but there shouldn't be any trouble fitting that on a Blu-ray disk.
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God yes
I've been waiting for this for so long
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>>133650915
What didn't he like? I got all 6 that have been released so far and I'm not disappointed at all.
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>>133651806
Vague on when in the manga it happened, but it was something about Nihei removing a cage that in the original prevented Killy from shooting. Reprint just had him standing there. That and a general complaint that the reprint looked more like the later half of Knights of Sidonia.
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>>133636665
Will it be same 3DPD as in the Shitonia?
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>>133651929
Like fuck what parts specifically
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>>133650964
it really doesnt match the style or feel of Niheis art at all. A grittier animation style (maybe like Hells movie) with backgrounds similar to those shorts forever ago would be ideal. The cgi feels floaty, and too crisp and clean for the atmosphere it wants to convey.

Only thing that excites me is the chance of a Chibo/Killy scale.
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>>133651943
look >>133647812
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>>133652326
The manga's art change completely from the 1st to last volume so I don't think it's such a big deal. The first few volumes were actually clean as fuck and even a decade ago it reminded me of CG

I wonder why Nihei got worse with time, Sidonia being the most terrible.
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>>133652423
Ah, so it’s the same shit as was shown in Sidonia. Blergh.
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>>133647644
this was literally in fucking knights of sidona
fuck off
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>>133652529
I disagree completely. If anything later Blame used even more crosshatching and grittiness. His art didnt start to get ''cleaner'' till end of Biomega, and honestly till mid Sidonia. And even then, the cgi looks like shit in general, disregarding the lack of style match.

I can guarantee Sidonia would have been more popular if it hadnt been cgi.
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>>133652806
>If anything later Blame used even more crosshatching and grittiness.
That's.. exactly what I'm saying.
Check the first BLAME volume again, it's so clean it looks like some CG works.

Thanks fuck the Sidonia anime doesn't look like the awful manga at all.
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>>133652945
no, even the first few volumes are full of grit. I own all the volumes, and just looked through volume 1 and 10. Neither remind me of cgi at all.

The Sidonia manga doesnt look bad, it just is rushed looking in comparison to most of Nihei's other work. It would look much better not cgi.
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>>133651978
Fucking hell, the effort on this response is too much. Anon was referring to Chapter 64, page 20, Killy against the safeguard.
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>>133652806
The Sidonia anime still looks better than the average traditionally animated show. It's sad that many people dismiss it based solely on it not being what they're used to. It's not fantastic, but it could have been much worse.
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>>133640649
Why do people say this? Artists change over time, and Nihei himself said he likes how he's progressed and what he does now feels natural. Calling it a betrayal of his old style is stupid and frankly, rude. Just say what he does no longer appeals to you, it's not like his old stuff has vanished.
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>>133653124
Way to cherry pick, how about posting the actual manga pages from the first few chapters.
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>>133653247
Not him but yeah, it's not right to call it a betrayal what the fuck) but whatever used to make his art stand out was completely gone during Abara and Sidonia.
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>>133652635
i mean the video with all the staff showing this.
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>>133653247
I understand how that anon feels though, it's a style that pandered me and it's really saddening that it's gone for good
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>>133653379
Thank you!
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Whoever is going to be voicing her better be fucking good.
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>>133653261
I was just posting something related, I dont need to cherry pick as I have the volumes open in front of me. Do your own research faggot.

>>133653197
I cant stand looking at the characters, even though I watched it all. And the frame rate was bad. The clip of Blame! looks marginally better, but not by much.
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>>133639394

>To Blame and BIOMEGA [Nihei] never thought of a narrative structure, it had not been established at the beginning. The story was created along the way. To Sidonia he has faithfully followed the story he had conceived

Fags will argue against this.
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>>133653626
I wonder if they can make her as cute in CG

>>133653628
>And the frame rate was bad.
SVP
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>>133653626
It will be Hanakana. Screencap this.
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>>133653628
>I cant stand looking at the characters
Well, I'd say it's a matter of opinion. I found it a bit strange at first, but I got used to it pretty quickly. It's great for the battles, especially.
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>>133653765
Literally 0 chance
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>>133653800
it was more about how they moved, and the shader. The mechs and world looked alright. I got use to it as well, but couldnt help but think every episode 'this would look better not in cgi'.
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>>133642343
A shame that we'll never see a full anime of Blame in this style. They really nailed the atmosphere here, even if it is far too cryptic.
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>>133653941
>'this would look better not in cgi'
It could go either way. Being traditionally animated certainly wouldn't guarantee that it would look great. But sure, if it had the budget and was made by a talented team, it would probably have looked better.
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>>133653765
>Hanakana
Not sure what to think about that.
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>>133653191
Thanks man. It doesn't bother me too much, but I can see why they'd be irked a bit.
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>>133654612
Yeah, Killy basically insta-shoots anything through that manga. Removing the cage removes his reason to not shoot. But I dunno, I haven't seen how the reprint compares to the original, and this one tiny change, while probably unnecessary, isn't enough to trigger my autism.
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>>133651311
Render time is the big one, it straight up doubles the amount of time needed. So if rendering that movie takes a few weeks. Well now your looking at a month or 2 of just rendering.
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>>133651212
agreed.

if anything, Blame would be way too weird if characters looked... 'alive' for lack of better word. CG faces always look sort of ceramic and fake and that's perfect for Blame.
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>>133653765
And I should mind why?
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So, how much of the manga do you think the movie will cover?
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>>133636665
YO WHY ISN'T THIS STICKIED
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>>133660386
Sping 2016?
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>>133660386
Mods are dead. That being said, its now not the first Nihei big adaption, and its by Polygon Pictures. If this was pre-Sidonia, it would be a huge storm.
>>133660165
It needs to cover it all I think. Alot of the manga is traveling, which can be montage'd or just sped through. I would not be surprised if the ending is more conclusive
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Toastin' in sticke.
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>>133660386
But this is.
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Posting in a sticky.
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>>133662531
>Mods are dead.
They've been deleting a bunch of shit threads in the last hour.

And of course at this time of posting, this got stickied.
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WE STICKY NOW
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>>133662871
But you aren't a girl anymore.
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>>133662859
Only because RWBY shit got out of hand.

>this whole fucking part animated
Can't wait
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>>133636665
>No one talks about the manga on the right
I read Hengoku no Schwester while in Japan.
It was a pretty neat manga.
I hope a scanlator picks it up.

If anybody wants chapter 1 it's here:
http://spi.tameshiyo.me/HENGO01SPI
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Blame already has an ONA doesn't it?

Anyways, I'm quite excited.
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>>133653673
No, Blame clearly had nothing approaching a real plot until the Toha Heavy Industries arc.

Sidonia was clearly him giving up at the 75% mark and calling it 'good enough'.
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Don't get too excited for some shitty CGI.
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>>133662953


>>133647812
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDA1bUkotIk
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If we're gonna have to deal with Polygon again, I hope we get another angela song.
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>Tried multiple times to read BLAME
>Its chicken scratch art kinda fit the depressing shit world but still, its the same scratchy art.
Welp, maybe the anime would hype it up for me to pick it up again.
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>>133646559
Worse, he pointed out that Benijiro DID come back, but Tsumugi is pulling a Clonochiai and keeping her suppressed.

Fuck, I'm mad. Just kill off Tsumugi and never bring her back in the anime original ending. Get rid of her, please. I hate that NTR spawn.
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>>133636665
I still find it hilarious the name is a mispelling of the sound Blam.
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>3DCG
Hopes: destroyed.
Also, is there any info on the Project Itoh movies that were coming out later this year?
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>>133654865
Killy LITERALLY could have saved Cibo without that stupid cage.
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>>133653626
I know it's impossible, but I liked her ONA seiyuu.
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>A netflix original
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>more cgi shit

ive wanted a BLAME! anime for years, but not like this. jesus what a waste. this cheap cgi stuff can work on sidonia since its so sterile looking but not blame. shame.
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>>133636665
Blame doesn't translate well to animation, as the past shows.

It will be shit.
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>>133663149
>Fuck, I'm mad
You and me both, anon. I didn't even hate Smoogy until that happened, although I always found her very uninteresting personality-wise.
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>>133653673
nihei is better when he wings it. his art was better back then as well.
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>sticky
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>>133653673
So he actually planned that pointless crap of an ending from the start?
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Would you fuck a level 9 safeguard Cibo?
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>>133663416
This, sadly

It will also attract the kind of faggots that we don't want, to the rare threads we have about it

Worse than Sidoniafags
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>>133663455
This. I would say the art was better because BLAME and Biomega heavily take place in doors. Sidonia was either SPACE or brightly lit residential areas.
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>>133636665
Nihei better not be selling out.

I was hoping that after finishing Sidonia he'd go back to doing more weird and creative stuff.
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>>133647812
>>133639144
>>133636665

>It's fucking CGI

I know Sidonia was CG too, but, if its a movie, they should have a budget for something decent.
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It'll look amazing and nobody will understand what the FUCK they just watched
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Posting in a sticky


FUCK YES BLAAAAAAME!
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Why sticky? There's nothing to talk about. It's just a twitter post.
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>>133663193
I was quite hyped for the Harmony movie. I hope it eventually comes out.
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is this worth a sticky
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If the mods don't remove this sticky in five minutes, I will post a picture of a nipple in this thread.
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>no sticky when the news was posted yesterday
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Overrated shonenshit
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>>133663915
Please don't, I'm at work.
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>sticky

mods please
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>>133663915
>>133663954

You were warned and you did not listen.
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I imagine the popularity of Sidonia is what spurred this on. I can't imagine any other reason they would make a Blame adaptation after so long.
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>>133636665
Toasting in a sticky. I don't even read Gantz anymore.
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>no sticky for Kizu then this
Good job mods
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>movie
It's shit, right?
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>>133664111
Anon please, mods are too busy babysitting the RWBY thread.
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>>133636665
Posting in a sticky 14 hours late!
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>>133636665
>t-t-t-this time it really will happen guys!!!

hahaha mlao they think that there wll ever be a blame movie
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>>133636665
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>>133664178
>generic fantasy harem didn't get a sticky but genre-defining sci-fi did
What's the problem?
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>>133664216

Oh shit, you're serious, kek.

Still, I have to applaud RWBY for finding a back-door way to become legitimate /a/ material.
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>>133664178
But Kizu got a sticky when it was announced, anon.
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>>133664216
I'm doing it again.
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>>133664258
This didnt define shit
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>>133664399
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>>133664436
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>>133664436
Tanlines are proof of the existence of God.
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So is it going to be CG shit?
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>>133663858
Yes
>>133663929
also this
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>>133664467
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>>133664500
>>133639418
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>>133664512
This is all for now.
Sleep well, cibofriends.
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cibo is my favorite skeleton
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So, who do you guys want to voice the characters?
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>>133639418
Hnnnnnnng. I need this NOW.
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Why is this a big deal?
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>>133639418
THE TIME OF 3D IS TRULY UPON US
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Great! Finally.
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>>133664790
Blame is good shit and a staple of ye olde /a/
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>>133647812
I always imagined Blame! with no music at all, only sound effects, even during action phases.
I don't want these loud "epic" BGM. It doesn't fit at all with the atmosphere.

The VA is top notch.
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>>133664884
For some reason, I always imagined a more subdued Chamber or Baroque music for Blame.
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>>133664912
Who's this spat brat?
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you guys are really late.
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>>133664884
tbqh I wish they'd get Jizue or some other Jap post-rock group to write the BGM or at least contribute some music
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>>133664948
The first time I read through the manga I was listening to Susumu Hirasawa. It ended up fitting pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPgc-yYEWrw
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This means we will get high quality doujins of Cibo.

HYPED
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>>133664999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDA1bUkotIk
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1451842
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Neat!

I've never read blame or Sidonia. Is it any good?
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>>133636665
Never read this manga but it looks pretty nice.
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>>133665135
Blame and the first 2/3 of Sidonia are both great.
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>>133665135
Yea, Blame can get a bit confusing, and Sidonia isn't a good as blame, but both a definitely worth checking out if you like sci-fiI haven't kept up with sidonia, but I liked what I read, I keep hearing the ending was a let down.
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>>133665245
Why am I supposed to hate Sidonia's ending again?
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>>133664912
Oldfag detected. Go home. We're a dying breed.
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>>133665316
>Go home.
But this is our home.
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>>133665047
I've been wanting to see killy dick cibo since I was in high school. I'm fucking hyped.
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This is the slowest sticky ever.
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Thank you Sidonia no Kishi for making this happen.
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>>133665366
It doesn't always feel that way, these days.
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>>133665464
Unfortunately not many care. Not that it matters since it's less shitposting.
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>>133665464
BLAME is pretty advanced for the average /a/non's taste. It's not surprising.
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>>133665464
Mods have shit taste. There are a dozen more exciting announcements this year they have ignored.
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>>133665464
People are probably still googling what Blame is so they can pretend they already knew about it.
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