>Shenlong now grants 3 wishes
>Fucking ice-cream
>GUIÑU CONFIRMED
>Trunks, Goten and Jaco next episode
>SSJ Blue next episode
Wait this ginyu shit wasn't a bad joke?
>>133562936
Seems it wasn't and maybe he changed body with the red horned demon.
>From "meh...Frieza"
to
>DON'T SPEAK LIKE THIS ABOUT FRIEZA-SAMA!!!
Are we getting some sweet TOKU SENTAI?
>>133562815
>>GUIÑU CONFIRMED
aw yisss
>>133563012
How the fuck did a Namekian frog travel from planet Namek to Sorbet's space-ship?
>>133563200
I think he came with the gang after they left Namek back when Goku fist went SS.
>>133563200
He teleported to Earth whith Dende's wish.
The real question should be: How did he managed to survive 30 years?
>>133562815
new scenes in the op too
I was hoping to wait for the English release but that may be a decade away. Will probably start watching with subs soon. I hope Goten does some cool shit. Somehow he ended up my favorite character. Wish he and Trunks and Gohan would get a chance to save the day more often. Even vegeta would be nice
Adult gotenks one day please
>>133562815
>Jaco vs Guinyu
>It begins with the standard fight and ends in a dancing duel
PLEASE TORIYAMA
>>133562815
>VLC
>>133563379
My dick wasn't ready for this.
Did Ginyu get on the ship? I mean Sorbet might have enough technology to make him speak so he can change bodies. He'll have to be retarded to just stand there and miss his one in a million chance to join Frieza's forces and acquire a body.
>>133563695
He expent 30 years on earth. Pretty sure he is able to say "CHANGE" with a frog body.
>>133562815
>GUIÑU CONFIRMED
Really? Wasn't he killed in DBZ?
Sorry for that retard question but I watched it 12 years ago.
>>133563977
When he was about to steal Vegeta's body Goku trowed a Namek's frog into the beam and now he's inside that frog.
>>133563357
I find it more confusing why Porunga decided to bring him back to life because he clearly can't survive Kid Buu blowing up the planet.
>>133563774
If that was the case he wouldn't still be a frog. I feel like this would be a missed opportunity if he doesn't get to join up, it would spice up the arc as Gohan and Krillin recognize him. Specially with this being namek saga 2.
>>133564091
>Guinyu
>Evil
He cared about his teammates and his best buddy lord Frieza. Following a tyrant doesn't make you a tirant.
And...even fucking Vegeta resurrected.
>>133564091
They asked for everyone killed by Buu, Ginyu included, to be revived. What I don't get is why he didn't revive Babidi and Darbura.
>>133564241
Think they said something like..."Revive everyone that Buu kid, oh except the evil ones"
>>133564241
Because they wished back everyone EXCEPT the evil ones. That's why Goku was surprised when Vegeta resurrected.
>>133562815
>Shenlong now grants 3 wishes
It always did. Pay more attention next time.
>>133564475
He only granted 2 wishes in RF. Toei/Toriyama forgot that he had inexplicably been increased to 3 in the Buu saga, after Dende in the Cell saga said he could only do 2.
>>133564580
No, he could always grant 3 after Dende upgraded him. This misconception that Shenlong can only grant 2 in the Cell arc comes from him only granting 2 BECAUSE he revived the people that were killed by Cell. He can grant 3 wishes as long as one of them isn't used to revive a large number of people (or another wish that wastes up too much power).
>>133564580
Shenlong always has 3 wishes post dende, mass resurrection used up 2 wishes
>>133564621
>>133564632
Oh, I see. But didn't he revive everyone in the Buu saga with only 1 wish?
>>133564070
Damn I totally forgot this. Finally.
I hope they won't just defeat him and forget about him again.
>>133564691
When Bulma and the others summoned him? Nope, I think he used up two wishes then too.
>>133564691
Never mind I just remembered that was the other dragon on New Namek, not Shenlong
So it's Resurrection F again, only probably a little worse.
This is so pointless.
Seriously though, they even kept the plothole about the dragon not being able to put Frieza back together.
>>133565244
>the plothole about the dragon not being able to put Frieza back together.
That's because it was like 30 years ago. Porunga had no trouble restoring Krillin and Chaoz bodies after they were blown up
>Can use dragonballs for three wishes
>Always used to revive someone from the dead
Why don't they actually wish for something fun for once?
>Shenlong grant 3 wishes
IT WAS FUCKING 2 IN THE MOVIE!! God dammit I saw it the last week! (In theaters, after 6 months dodging your fucking /a/ spoilers)
>>133565578
>Why don't they actually wish for something fun for once?
We had panties, Pilaf's gang turned into kids, 1M Zenni and the best Ice Cream ever.
>>133565131
I wish they had started Super after the movies too, but honestly I'm more looking forward to this than the Battle of Gods arc. BoG was perfect but RF had some flaws I hope Super will fix.
Like Vegeta not getting the fucking kill.
>DBS when not in movie arc: Good
>DBS in movie arc: Shit
Prove me wrong. RoF started now and it's already trash.
>>133565630
We've never even seen how they turned into kids.
>>133565630
Couldn't they use the balls to wish an enemy to be powered down a lot to the point they wouldn't be a threat to Earth anymore?
>>133565707
Next week we will have some Jaco + Goten+ Trunks interaction and the 1st time SSJ Blue. It may be good...
>>133565759
The dragon can't do anything to bad guys who are stronger than him, and ever since Piccolo everyone has been stronger than him.
>>133565759
Nope. Shenlong can't modify someone's body if that person is stronger than the guy who created the dragon balls. That's why Shenlong couldn't grant Krillin's wish of making A18 and A17 100% human again.
Fuck man, how long the series will be aired? I kinda lost my interest after the goku and the cat god fight.
>>133565853
The arc that just started is an adapt of the newest movie, and then they're going into entirely new territory of other dimensions and shit.
>>133565927
>another adaptation
Damn.Guess I'll just lurk the threads and get back in after the movie adaptation ends.
>>133565927
Other dimensions should be fun, I wonder if we'll see a Goku who didn't hit his head when he was a child?
So what exactly is Ginyu going to do? He's weak as fuck now. Evidently Frieza reaching SSG level in 4 months and then the laser gun weren't enough, now we get Ginyu somehow putting up a fight.
>>133565762
>Jaco + Goten+ Trunks
Sounds terrible. Toryiama doesn't quite understand that people want to see more characters FIGHTING, not just filler about them fucking about.
>SSJ Blue
May be interesting but you know it will be the last 30 seconds of the episode, if that.
>>133566067
>Sounds terrible. Toryiama doesn't quite understand that people want to see more characters FIGHTING, not just filler about them fucking about.
I personally like the SOL filler more than the drawn out fighting. Let's you enjoy the character's personalities more.
>>133566014
Earth was wiped out long ago in a huge war in the other universe, so Goku would've never been sent there and Gohan would've never thrown him down a mountain.
Goku vs Goku is the likely end to the Universe 6 arc.
![[SOFCJ-Raws] Dragon Ball Super - OP 01 Ver.2 (THK 1280x720 x264 AAC).webm](https://i.imgur.com/JkckBjG.jpg "[SOFCJ-Raws] Dragon Ball Super - OP 01 Ver.2 (THK 1280x720 x264 AAC).webm")
WHEN THE FUCK DO WE GET MORE CHAMPA AND VADOS?
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REVIVAL OF F SAGA.
I WANT NEW CONTENT.
>>133566272
>Boldie in the intro
>He dies 10 seconds after Frieza's resurrection
>>133565593
Reviving someone counts as two wishes.
>>133566067
The silly content is always the better, I hope Trunks and Goten will fight with the others as Mystic Mask and some Gohan vs Ginyu. And of course VEGETA GETTING TO KILL FRIEZA.
>>133566446
Wait for the tournament arc.
>>133566884
Wishes that require a lot of power, like turning back to life ALL PEOPLE ON EARTH counts as 2.
>>133565470
They also removed the bit when friezas body tried to reform itself, oh well
>>133563357
The real question is how the fuck did he manage to steal his body in the first place
>>133563384
Yeah, the japanese voices of Goku, Gohan, Kid Trunks and Chi Chi annoys me to no end.
Also isnt Toonami Asia going to release an english dub soon?
>>133567013
>English dub
>With only 19 episodes aired
Dude, wellcome back to the 90's when Europeans had to watch over and over again the same 100 episodes because Namek Saga was still airing in Japan for 1st time.
You americans were lucky fucks and discovered DBZ after it ended so you never had to wait.
>>133567013
Check your autism
>>133567184
>tripcode
post discarded
>>133566272
What program did you use?
>>133566067
No offense, anon but fighting is honestly one of the weakest parts of dragon ball as a series. Toriyama's choreography is pretty decent but the fact of the matter is is that fighting in dragonball as a whole is incredibly repetitive. More fighting is hardly the answer because it would make the fighting we DO get just get stale faster.
>>133566272
How did they manage to make Golden Freeza look so damn cool?
>>133567158
Simuldubs are a thing now, you know. They just hand you a script and you dub it as the episode comes out and just release it weekly.
>>133568176
>but fighting is honestly one of the weakest parts of dragon ball as a series
>Toriyama's choreography is pretty decent
>decent
>>133566272
FREEZAFREEZAFREEZAFREEZAAAH
>>133566446
RATINGS TRAP!
>>133566735
Not this time. Ginyu will take his body.
>Dragon now can give 3 wishes
>Guinyu is alive
>Goten and Trunks will participate in the battle against Frieza's soldiers
With so many changes maybe Frieza end not dying and is one of the 5 fighters of universe 7
Frieza vs Goku will be like 10 episodes of fighting Toriyama said the fights will be long in Super
>>133564691
That was Porunga, Namek's wish granter. He's been upgraded.
>>133566272
They actually made that shameless recolor look menacing. Props to the director & animators.
![[Over8000] Dragon Ball Super - 019.mkv_snapshot_21.32_[2015.11.15_14.47.10].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/h4cxKtS.jpg "[Over8000] Dragon Ball Super - 019.mkv_snapshot_21.32_[2015.11.15_14.47.10].jpg")
What the fuck is Frieza made of?
He can literally exist as carved up pieces of flesh only a few inches long, and apparently the only way he died in the first place was having those pieces incinerated?
>>133569534
Freeza's hella durable. He can survive the detonation of a planet AND breathe in space.
>>133565244
That's not a plot hole. Shenlong always brought the body back in the state it was before it died. Porunga even says he restored Kuririn's body because he was "generous", and Kami had to restore Chaozu's body.
>>133569534
In the manga they said he could be still alive cause he was half a machine. Even the parts tried to join again.
Hey guys, Toriyama will let Vegeta kill Frieza this time, right?
>>133570129
I wonder what happened to his cyborg parts. Did they have to remove them so he could heal properly?
![[Over8000] Dragon Ball Super - 019.mkv_snapshot_00.17.05.650_[2015.11.15_14.10.50].png](https://i.imgur.com/SrKT0ot.jpg "[Over8000] Dragon Ball Super - 019.mkv_snapshot_00.17.05.650_[2015.11.15_14.10.50].png")
I can't wait for his return. Finally watching this will be worth it.
>>133570174
Kek
>>133569534
>Nobody is asking how did he manage to grow a fucking armor while reviving.
>>133570279
>I wonder what happened to his cyborg parts.
100% MechaFreezer or clone confirmed?
>>133570435
same way Cell did, duh
Watching this season of DBZ makes the entire anime look like a fucking joke. Dragon Ball Super is the epitome of shit.
>>133569534
Him and his father are god-like genetic freaks of their race. This is the actual canon.
>>133570475
i dont understand why is the animation so much W O R S E than dbz? dbz looked hella fucking good, this looks like something a fan made
>>133570475
>>133570565
someone post Godku vs Beerus webm from Super episodes
>>133570474
Nope. Cell was naked. Frieza is wearing an armor and resurrects with the fucking armor.
>>133570435
Yeah, I don't get it either. It was on the storyboard. Are the key animators really that incompetent?
>>133570594
i noticed that too, that was naruto fillers tier
>>133570565
Because modern production underpays a bunch of koreans and Portuguese and rushes this shit out fast to fix it later on the DVD/BD. Old DBZ was fully Toei. Most japanese studios don't do the in-betweening anymore. Also, modern japanese animators are underpayed, overworked, and undertrained.
>>133570594
On it
pd: FUCKING STREET NUMBER and STREET NAME CAPTCHA
>>133570594
>>133570708
>>133570594
>>133570708
>>133570786
the thing that bugs me the most is vegeta's face during the intro when they're all standing as a group, it's insanely bad
I'm really enjoying this show. I'm finally convinced that SOL is the way to go for Dragonball.
>>133570435
I just thought they put it in the regeneration machine while he was regenerating
>>133570475
Dragonball was always a fucking joke.
The only difference here is the animation, that is shit.
>>133570594
>>133570708
>>133570786
>>133570858
I lack the webm where Bills and Goku fight in space using good martial arts.
>>133570982
The movement looks so weird here.
>>133570435
Isn't the armor like part of him? All his forms had a bit of a machine-flesh thing going on except the last one.
Why don't they even mention why Pilaf and the others are kids now?
>>133570982
>>133570858
>>133570786
>>133570708
>>133571041
thank you for the dump, good sir
>>133570673
is it because Freeza is more recogniseable with his armor?
>>133570965
Well, yeah.
The best DBZ episode was the one where Goku tried getting his drivers license.
>>133566272
Fuck, this was hype as hell when I saw it. I lost my shit right there and then.
>>133567158
I watched the namek saga over and over for years waiting for new stuff
>>133568253
Funi is too cheap to pay up what Toei would want for that to happen.
>>133571681
While Toonami Asia is the one getting the dub, I have heard nothing of Funimation having the Toonami Asia dubbing rights. I think Super is gonna be one of those anime with multiple dubs.
>>133571247
>>133571118
See this
>>133570610
Frieza breaks his armor before transforming into 2nd form.
>All those webms
How many times did Goku use the Kame Hame ha wave against Beerus? Pretty sure he used it more times un Super than in the whole DBZ
>>133571121
Because they did in BoG, they went retarded and wished to be young and then told the dragon to fuck off.
I'm confused about something
In Super after Goku reverted from God status Beerus said that he still retained the power from it so how come Goku's aurora didn't change while he was back in his base form? Will that only happen when he reaches ssj blue?
Am i the only one who doesn't find the new "hit" sounds as satisfying as before? It sounds bland now.
And it seems the team of DBS has gotten more skillful with the animation. It's getting better.
>>133572480
We have a new sound director.
No idea why, the old one was present for the films.
>>133572480
No, you are not, the sound direction here is a bit off. Most of the hit sounds, and sound effects in general, seem to come straight out of One Piece.
>>133572425
My theory is that all the Saiyans absorbs the god ki when they performance the SSJG ritual, with training they enter a new whole level, basically they become gods. That's why Goku and Vegeta got a new transformation that's basically SSJ with god ki.
>>133563357
Why did he wait 30 years to stop being a fucking from.
>>133572872
He can't change bodies unless he can speak. Frogs can't speak.
>>133570673
Damn, why didn't they do this? Such errors are always killing the quality.
>>133562815
Why didn't the Pilaf Gang wish themselves back to normal?
>>133573570
why didn't pilaf go absolutely mental when they stole his wish?
>>133573570
Because Trunks x Mai is fucking adorableand a bit creepy
>>133573270
But he changed into bulma, didn't he?
>>>/b/652048867
>>133573570
>Why didn't the Pilaf Gang wish themselves back to normal?
Because they intentionally wished themselves that way. A wish to undo a previous wish is a waste of two wishes.
A better question would be, why didn't they wish for immortality and/or world domination before wishing for youth? If nobody could kill them, then they would have all the time in the world to search for the Dragon Balls all over again.
Another question would be, what was their second wish when they did wish to be young again? Dende's Dragon Balls allowed for two wishes, unlike Kami's Dragon Balls.
Shit, when they were forced to hand over their Dragon Balls to Tagoma and Sorbet, why did they waste their second wish for a moderate sum of money? Why not a larger sum? Why not immortality (since they were scared shitless of being killed by Tagoma/Sorbet)?
>>133573791
through some kind of translator
>>133573722
Just imagine their kids, they would be like greek gods.
>>133573906
I just like to think of it as Mai's second chance at a normal life. But lets be honest, this is DB, so its all kinds of fucked
>>133573820
Don't try to understand. It was a gag moment.
>>133574031
>so its all kinds of fucked
If Toriyama really want to make them an official pairing he could just put them together in the epilogue. And I don't know the movies and DBS have many romantic scenes.
The new opening is great.
>>133573820
>why did they waste their second wish for a moderate sum of money? Why not a larger sum?
They explain it in Battle of Gods (in the extended version). No one needs that much money.
>>133574243
They want to take over the world, but they're not greedy enough to ask for more money?
>>133574290
They are like little kids, they can point a gun at you but their intentions aren't bad.
>>133564070
was he brought back after buu blew up earth though? I thought vegeta specifically wished for only good people to be brought back to life.
>>133573906
Or Japanese gods.
>>133574484
>vegeta specifically wished for only good people to be brought back to life.
He wished for NON EXTREMELY EVIL so Dabra and Babidi couldn't revive. Even Vegeta revived by Porunga standards and Ginyu never was an extremely evil guy. He even cared for his crewmates.
>>133563200
>>133572872
>>133573791
>>133574516
Asian gods are ugly.
>>133574594
Didn't Dabura later become good?
any webms from the latest episode
>>133574781
Yes, but people can also choose not to come back to life.
Towa and Mira fucking when?
>>133574878
Never.
>>133574781
>>133574862
No. That was anime's filler. People can't keep the body and mind when they die, only special ones like Goku if they have God's permission.
>>133574516
Nor Mai or Trunks are japanese, anon.
Grandpa Gohan, Krillin and Roshi are the japanese equivalent in DB, they rest are either chinese equivalent or western/indian/native americans/niggers equivalent, I think Suno is the equivalent of a russian girl.
Should I watch Revival of F?
>>133568619
In the summary was said that after that, he will get a power-up.
I think they'll go with two souls in one body.
Also, someone have all the new summaries for the next episodes?
>>133575573
Tagoma and froGinyu fusion dance ?
>>133562815
I hope Trunks will get a sword in this arc.
I mean, Jaco is a gunfighter, we can have swordmen again.
>>133575779
More like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
>>133575573
>>133575845
Can someone correct me if I am wrong? In episode 21 we will have Frieza offering one planet to the soldier that kills Krillin and Gohan vs Frieza army.
>>133575573
EPISODE 21
復讐のはじまり！フリーザ軍の悪意が悟飯を撃つ！
Fukushū no Hajimari! Furīza-gun no Akuiga satoshi Gohan outsu!
The Beginning of Revenge! The Vengeful Freeza Army Attack Gohan!
>>133575573
Episode 19: "Despair Once More! Revival of the Evil Emperor Freeza!"
Son Goku and Vegeta have begun training on the God of Destruction Beerus’ planet, striving each day with the harsh tasks Beerus’ teacher Whis gives them. At the same time out in space, the remnants of Freeza’s army (the evil emperor previously defeated by Goku) are having trouble with insurrections on the planets under their rule.
Episode 20: "A Warning From Jaco! Freeza and 1,000 Soldiers are Fast Approaching!"
Freeza is brought back to life through the power of the dragon balls. He immediately decides to spend four months training in order to get revenge on Goku. And so, several months later the Galactic Patrolman Jaco comes to Earth to visit Bulma, saying that he wants to meet the man who defeated Freeza.
Episode 21: “The Revenge Begins! The Freeza Army's Malice Strikes Gohan!"
Bulma learns from Jaco that the resurrected Freeza is bringing 1,000 soldiers and will attack in about one hour. She hurries to relay this information to Whis, but is unable to get in touch with him right away. And so five warriors on Earth (including Goku’s son Gohan, Piccolo, etc) face off against Freeza to protect Earth. The soldiers who attack the five are instructed by Freeza that whichever one kills Kuririn will receive whichever planet they like as a reward.
Episode 22: Undecided
Having been reborn as the mightiest of warriors after serving as Freeza’s training partner, Tagoma of the Freeza Army mercilessly attacks Gohan and the others. And then Tagoma changes bodies with Ginyu (previously captain of the Freeza Army's mightiest unit, who became stuck in the form of a frog due to his special ability), achieving an even further power-up.
>>133576853
>The soldiers who attack the five are instructed by Freeza that whichever one kills Kuririn will receive whichever planet they like as a reward.
Why are Frieza's minions so stupid? Why would you bring back the guy who ruled with an iron fist and is likely to kill you to pass the time? Just wish to be the strongest in the universe or the method to become the strongest if that's impossible or something like that. How keked can you be?
So, was Goku stronger than SSJ3 on pic related like when Gohan had the Ultimate form?
>>133571997
>I think Super is gonna be one of those anime with multiple dubs.
WE BIG GREEN DUB AGAIN
>>133577035
yes
>>133577035
Yeah.
>>133577031
75 % or our army is fucked we are going to get fucked when the rebels get their hands on us, better revive Frieza to fuck them.
>>133576853
>Tagoma of the Freeza Army
So he won't die on DBS? What was the fucking point of the movie if they are going to invent everything?
>>133563357
Where the fuck did the 30 years figure come from?
>>133577139
Well alternatively if it was 100% like the movie in every way wouldn't it be less interesting?
Also he could still die as Ginyu I guess though I would be sad.
who is Tokusentai here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezrbyf6t9mY
>>133577139
In the storyboard of the film, Tagoma was supposed to fight Gohan.
In the film, that was changed somehow and he died, so they had to create Shisami to be the one to fight Piccolo/Gohan instead (this just shows how rushed the film was).
Seems like they're going with the original idea.
I really wish Ginyu survives this and becomes a recurring character. Best in the series. I doubt it though.
>>133577206
tell me more about the storyboard
>>133577196
Right here.
>>133576977
Frieza really hates Krillin for cutting his tail.
>>133577196
Reportan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyAEB8TPs1g
>>133577206
>>133576853
>>133577139
Aren't they implying Ginyu!Tagoma can give troubles to the Z gang (specially SSJ Gohan)?
>Shenron gave Mai ice cream as a bonus wish
Confirmed for best girl. Even Shenron likes her.
>>133577196
Ginyu better reform a budget Ginyu Force with the remnants of the army
>>133577371
Well, it says right there in the summary that Tagoma trained with Freeza.
If Freeza reaches God level in 4 months, I don't see why Tagoma can't reach Piccolo's.
>>133577409
This. Also says that apparently Ginyu is a powerup for some reason which I find questionable because Goku's body drastically powered down when Ginyu took it because he wasn't used to it.
>>133566272
They still need to work on their poses, before they can be Ginyu Force-tier. Good thing Ginyu's coming back teebeeahe effayyemm
>>133577463
Yeah, Goku's, who was a Ki master.
It's possible Ginyu can control his Ki much better than Tagoma and, as such, increase his power. Remember that Ginyu could control his Ki at will, it's possible he'll maybe release some hidden potential that Tagoma couldn't harness or something.
>>133577463
that's because the majority of Goku's power was from Kaioken and it was more ki based, that's why Ginyu found it hard to get his power
i hope freezer doesn't die in this version
would be a waste bring him back just to have him killed off later like in the movie
>>133577409
>>133577463
>why Tagoma can't reach Piccolo's
Piccolo is at 17% level and I don't remember if he fought semi perfect Cell, , two special snowflakes stronger than normal SSJ, and SSJ was also a special snowflake.
Sorry if I find this a little retarded.
>>133577463
Goku is a pretty freak case though, he trains himself in a way to have complete mastery over his ki, and that's before the kaioken.
Alternatively he could oftrained.
>>133577463
>Goku's body drastically powered down when Ginyu took it because he wasn't used to it.
The problem with taking Goku's body was that Goku's strenght is based on Ki control and Guinyu (or any Frieza soldier) didn't knew shit about powering up to get stronger.
Even more, he was expecting to steal a body with a power level of +120.000 but to do that he needed the KaioKen. Instead he could use Goku's base form power withouth any power up and that was around 20.000
>>133577605
Frieza will die, by Goku's hands or Vegeta's.
Just give up.
>>133577463
>>133577549
>Ginyu learns to master ki to such an extent that he can Change even as a frog
>ends up in a body with much easier ki control
>power boost
Guys guys...what if Champa trains Frieza just fur die lulz?
>>133577676
but i want him to participate in the alternate universe tournament.
![65c686c06258d450e64f3d0e4196988c1dc9e498[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zCCHIDO.jpg "65c686c06258d450e64f3d0e4196988c1dc9e498[1].jpg")
>>133576853
>The soldiers who attack the five are instructed by Freeza that whichever one kills Kuririn will receive whichever planet they like as a reward.
It's like Freeza didn't learn from last time.
>>133577731
Champa is too busy looking for the Super dragon balls.
>>133577082
>>133577125
And he didn't transform in SSJ2 Blue because...? Goku said SSJ blue was just the SS form of a Saiyan with god power...so SSJ2 Blue should be as easy as transforming into SSJ2.
>>133577675
Ginyu could control his powerlevel, his peak was at 120,000, he wasn't like the others who were baffled at the scouters just saying 5000 while goku annihilates them.
>>133577818
it probably doesnt boost the strength, as Goku is trying to access his God Ki
also SSJ3 wastes too much energy and the boost is not worth it
>>133577893
>also SSJ3 wastes too much energy and the boost is not worth it
The times goku used SSJ3 in Z were.
>While dead (not using his "real phisical" body
>Just after resurrecting (his real body was not used to the new transformation he adquired while dead)
We really don't know if Goku got used to SSJ3 after beating Buu...he needed half an episode to transform the 1st time he used it and half a second against Beerus.
>>133577981
>We really don't know if Goku got used to SSJ3 after beating Buu...he needed half an episode to transform the 1st time he used it and half a second against Beerus.
The transformation has always been instant when they aren't showing it off.
>>133577031
>Why would Nazis want to revive Hitler?
why the fuck are trunks and goten still 5 years old in the preview? they should be close to teens by now. fucking toriyama
>>133577072
WE GON GET DEM MAGICK BEEEMS AGAIN
>>133578387
This, I want Teen Goten to fill the void that Teen Gohan left.
>>133577818
1. He didn't really need to.
2. Goku is an insane person and would rather have a challenging fight than a curbstomp victory and will willingly put limits on himself to allow that to happen.
3. Toriyama seems to want to try to cut down on the "Levels" of super saiyan and I think Super saiyan Blue was his way of making it so that standard Super saiyan was the most powerful form again. Toriyama is the kinda guy that likes things nice and simple.
>>133577196GINYU FORCE RULES
>>133577981
>>133578366
In the manga it was like 2-3 pages. The transformation was embellished by Toei because it's easier to fill an episode with long periods of screaming and awesome, yet repetitive visuals than risk speeding that part along and catching up to the manga.
>>133578387
At this point Goten and trunks would be about 10 and 11 respectively. And since saiyan kids tend to just have late growth spurts its not TOO surprising. Still I think Revival of F/Tournament is the last arc you could feasibly make an excuse, unless Goten and Trunks are just following Goku Rules. In which case they won't grow until they're like 18.
Marron makes no sense though. Unless she has full on inherited Krillin's midget genes and is gonna be a tiny woman.
>>133577818
>Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more.
I would absolutely love for Goku 2 to be in SSJ4 form.
>>133578934
I've been trying to work out how much time has passed based on the number of times the balls have been used. They outright state it's six months from killing Buu before the use the balls to make everyone forget Buu. Then we have to give it another year for them to recharge so Pilaf and crew can wish themselves into kids. Then, wait another year so Bulma can gather them and have them for her birthday, and then they're used to determine how to go SSG. Give it another year after that for Frieza being revived, we're at a minimum of three years and change. Unless they manage to find the balls and use them the exact same day they become active, we're probably at 4-5 years post Buu, so they should be 12-13. Even Gohan changed at that age, so I think it's just cheap animators that can't be fucked designing new shit
>>133564621
>comes from him only granting 2 BECAUSE he revived the people that were killed by Cell.
No. In the Cell Saga, when Dende said that he could make it grant 3 wishes, the drawback was that he could only resurrect people individually, so they went with 2 wishes. Then, out of nowhere, it was making 3 wishes in the Buu Saga, and Piccolo introduced the "resurrect multiple people and it counts as two wishes" rule afterwards when they meet in the lookout to debate about the next wish and he reveals that there was only one left, not two.
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>>133578966
I never understood the hate people have for this design. It looks rad as fuck.
>>133566067
According to the spoilers, Tagoma will get a big power up by training with Freeza too. And afterwards, Ginyu getting his body somehow will increase his power even further, rather than decrease it like when he got Goku's.
>>133566067
The preview also shows Roshi and Tenshinhan ready to face Freeza's army. We're just getting an on screen excuse for Goten and Trunks not fighting, unlike in the movies where it was only an off screen remark.
>>133579163
Same here. It looks like an actual true transformation into a super saiyan. After all, a saiyan's most powerful form was the oozaru, so gaining its power while staying in their human form sounded like the most natural way of honoring the super saiyan title
>>133579103
Well you have to include in that math that the dragon can grant 3 wishes. So Pilaf wishing everyone as kids AND bulma gathering them for her birthday could happen in the same year. Pilaf probably wouldn't know he could make more than one wish and would've just told the dragon "See you next time" or something.
Also I can't remember if Dende's dragonballs can be reused faster than Kami's or if they still have to wait an Earth year, because if I recall correctly a NAMEKIAN year is only like 4 months.
>>133579221
>in the movies
>where it was only an off screen remark.
huh, alright, then
>>133579268
It's a one year wait if you use all three, four month if you tell him to come back later
>>133579163
My issue with it is it looks cool. It looks neat. It doesn't look like Goku. For Goku to take this form he has to act and look very unlike Goku. If you showed me this image with no context there's no way in hell I'd immediately think that guy is Goku. The fact that Super saiyan is such a minimalist transformation works to the advantage of the character. It means Goku can still be lighthearted. He can still be childish. He can still be Goku, just with spiked up hair. And the fact that it's such a small transformation also makes it seem underwhelming and therefore surprising when it DOES have way more power than Goku's base form. It's the juxtaposition of the appearance and the power that makes it work so well for me and SSJ4 just seems to not work for me in that regard.I wouldn't mind it if it was considered a whole other form though. Like Oozaru mode or something
>>133579304
So then yeah. It probably went, Pilaf wishes for youth, 4 months later is bulma's party, and then RoF happens within the next year.
>>133579255
>Same here. It looks like an actual true transformation into a super saiyan. After all, a saiyan's most powerful form was the oozaru, so gaining its power while staying in their human form sounded like the most natural way of honoring the super saiyan title
The SSJ transformation was build up as something much greater than an Oozaru though. So, something mostly Oozaru based with the SSJ name just thrown onto it seems kind of odd for an ultimate transformation.
>The fact that Super saiyan is such a minimalist transformation works to the advantage of the character.
Then they shouldn't have gone further than Super saiyan.
My problem wasn't with SSJ1, but with SSJ2 and 3 being such a disappointment.
>It means Goku can still be lighthearted. He can still be childish
Well he did change in character when he transformed in SSJ4.
>>133579637
Oozaru was build up a lot in the original dragonbal tho.
>>133579128
You're misinterpreting the scene. It has always been the same. Dende said that if one wish was used to resurrect a large number, Shenlong could only grant 2.
Where do you even think the 3 wishes in the Boo arc even came from?
>they actually showed a Dragon Ball Kai clip of Trunks cutting up Frieza
B R A V O
>>133576853
>Bring Ginyu back
>Give him a lame body
Hopefully he gets an upgrade.
>>133579872
>Where do you even think the 3 wishes in the Boo arc even came from?
Namek Dragon Balls.
>>133579477
So, in other words, that form would be perfect for Universe 8 Goku. This shit has "Parallel Universe" written all over it desu.
>>133579956
What? That wasn't being put into question.
Shenlong said he grants 3 wishes in the Boo arc, I'm arguing this has always been the case ever since Dende upgraded him.
>>133578387
I don't like the fact that Gohan is a FUCKING NERD rather than just Salary man nerdy
so obligatory?
>>133578387
What happened to all his gains?He was fucking built like a muscleman in the buu saga
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>>133579865
Keep in mind SSJ2 wasn't a transformation until Buu saga. Before Goku gave it a name Super Saiyan 2 was just a more powerful super saiyan. It seemed like less of a NEW form and more like...Gohan's own rage pushing him pass his upper limits. Gohan didn't transform and say "Now I'm a super saiyan 2". Neither did Goku or Vegeta. It wasn't established to be a seperate form until goku's whole SSJ3 speech which is why I'm not surprised Toriyama forgot about SSJ2 and thought SSJ3 was SSJ2.
>>133580238
Toriyama's art style changed. It happens.
80s was stocky and rounded
90s was angular and RIPPED
00s/10s is still angular but lankier and less toned.
Toriyama is a slave to the trends.
>>133565470
Where the fuck is 30 years coming from? It's been something like 14 since Namek, hasn't it?
>>133580350
OINGO
>>133580004
Nope.Only twin universes can have the same people. 6 and 7 are twin universes. Maybe U6 goku, if he's still alive, is SSJ4. Maybe he's dead.
>>133580611
Sorry I'm still stuck in GT ages.
>>133580704
Wait, so U8 has a totally different cast? What kinda bullshit is that I thought that we would get cool versions of U7 characters in the upcoming tournament.
>>133579103
>>133579304
Actually I think:
Trunks: 10
Goten: 9
Marron: 5
Pan: 1 mouth
>>133580809
The tournament is U6 vs U7.
>>133580809
U7 will fight against U6 not U8
>>133580164
>Salary man
Fuck off, Satan.
>>133580845
>Pan: 1 mouth
>>133566272
>We're just getting an on screen excuse for Goten and Trunks not fighting
Lame
>>133578387
Gohan was small as fuck even when he was SSJ2 as a kid, and Goku stayed around the same height when he was a kid until he got mad gains as a teenager
Piccolo was also small as fuck when he was born but quickly got mad gains
>>133580845
>Pan : 1 mouth
That's why her eyes sparkle when she looks at Piccolo : her saiyan blood want a taste of that juicy namekian meat.
More seriously, she's already a few months old.
>>133580350
I'd buy a pencil sketch commission from Jaco
>>133580704
>>133580809
All we know is that humanity in U6 is dead because of a war, we don't know if the Saiyans are still alive or what. But I remember Toriyama saying the characters in U6 are going to be new.
>>133581031
a shame those characters along Tarble and hiw wife are no longer canon
>>133580992
>>133581045
*month
>>133581031
I always assumed Goten and trunks didn't fight Freeza because they both look like Child versions of the two guys who killed him and Freeza's the kind of guy who would kill them out of spite.
>>133581153
I know Tarble was mentioned in Battle of Gods but was he mentioned in Super?
>>133581238
Nope.
>>133581124
>characters in U6 are going to be new
>came up with a specific reason to have a universe that mirrors the main one
At least one of them will be someone we already know.
>>133581197
>>133581031
If you watched the preview for episode 20 you can see Bulma recognizing Frieza and of course frog Ginyu. DBS is following the Z's filler.
And Goten and Trunks being with Jaco makes me think they are going to fight as well. Goten and Trunks could just enter the fight when everybody is too busy fighting.
>>133581323
>DBS is following the Z's filler
WE DRIVING EPISODE SEQUEL BITCHES
