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What did Kyubey do wrong?
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Kyubey did nothing wrong.
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bought when he should have sold
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Relying on teenage girls for energy. Pretty stupid, to be honest.
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>>133552143
But they're the best source of emotion to use.
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>>133551830
But Incubators don't have emotions...
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He enslaved a species and expected them not to rebel. He tried to harness a volatile source of energy without the means to control it.
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>can't into emotions
>can't even understand what humans do because of it
>tinker with it anyway not expecting things to go badly
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The biggest mistake Kyubey made is making magical girls instead of magical Boys. Girls are far to emotional for a guy like him.
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>>133554354
But he wants emotional girls. Thats the entire fucking point of the anime. Did you not even watch it?
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>>133554449
He didn't need that much emotion. And boys would be better at hunting witches you autistic fuck.
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>>133554505

>literally retarded

He doesnt have to control the girls and doesnt really try to aside from getting them to contract. QB only cares about getting as much energy as possible in the most efficient way possible.
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>>133554505
Get the fuck out. Fucking retard.
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>>133554578
Yes and killing witches fills their soul gems. Boy would litterly do a better job and be more willing to sign a contract. So it's mass over quality. And mass production always makes more money. Or in this case energy.
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>>133554505
>He didn't need that much emotion
Except he literally does need that much emotion. Maybe more.
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Muguca boys for life!
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>>133551540
He was too stupid to understand human emotions.
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>>133554670
Umm no he was just fine. In fact boys would have tons more karmic destiny than girls because boys are a lot more important and in power than girls in this world. With the exception of madoka.
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>>133554638

And in the process make the whole thing a whole hell of a lot more noticable and impact future generations more.

To QB humans are livestock. You dont just make a farm with pot bellied pigs and raise 1000 of them you get normal domestic pigs and raise 100 and get more meat out of them much easier.
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>>133554730
He's trying to stop the heat death of the fucking universe and resorted to capturing a veritable god on just the notion that it MIGHT net him more energy. He was not just fine.
And gender politics bullshit aside, the difference in karmic destiny between men and women is totally negligible. The only reason it was brought up ever was because Madoka was a pivotal figure in hundreds of timelines/universes. What matters far more than any of that is the power of the individual's emotion (namely, grief and despair). In that, teenage girls forced to fight eternally for one usually fruitless and ultimately futile wish are undeniably the pinnacle.

Stop being retarded.
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>>133554875
There are like thousands of incubators. I'm pretty sure they can handle it. Didn't you see in rebellion? They just used girls because nobody wants to watch a magical boy show.
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>>133554721
It's normal to not understand women.
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>>133554918
Boys would have plenty of emotion. Maybe not despair. But I'm pretty sure rage and other emotions would make up for it. Especially if they had to fight witches and deal with Kyubey.
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Besides the only reason he knew about madoka is because they chose girls for some reason early in human evolution. He wouldn't have known about Madoka then so that's not the reason.
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>>133554638
>killing witches fills their soul gems
Wrong
They kill witches to collect the grief seeds. Full of emotion. Emotion collected from despair.
Despair, angst, depression, the most potent emotions of the human experience, and thus the most potent energy in the universe. Energy that teenage girls are the most adept and efficient at producing.
>>133555032
Literally no other emotion can even compare. Sadness, despair, zetsubou are the only possible options and the most efficient.
Aside from, as seen in Rebellion, ai yo
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Kyubey we know that's you posting
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>>133555082
My bad not paying attention as I type. I meant he didn't know about Madoka when he first started doing this. And even back then boys had a lot more karmic destiny than girls. And could produce just as much emotion. Boys would be a lot more willing to sign a contract for a wish also.
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>>133555095
Yea boys would also be a lot better at killing witches.
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>>133555095
Also wrong it's proven rage is the strongest human emotion. But incubators wouldn't know that since they aren't human.
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>>133555167
Holy shit do I have to spell out every little thing for you?
Their ability to kill witches doesn't even fucking matter anon. Can you guess why?
Where do witches come from? What produces witches? What emotion?
It doesn't matter how great they are at killing witches if the witches are veritably worthless.
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>>133555211
all he needs is emotion. He doesn't need despair specifically. And it's never said despair is the only thing that can create witches. But if that's true it works in my arguments favor because magical boys would give the actual purest form of emotion "rage" and also would have less of a chance to turn into witches. So he could harvest their energy longer.
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>>133554952

Can handle and worth handling are two different things. I can probably eat 4 fast food burgers if i tried to stuff myself but why would i when i could just eat a steak? And of course most people want magical girls over boys but thats not a reason to arbitrarily make magical boy shows that wont sell as well.

PROFIT = GAINS - EXPENSES

If your using more resources to gain less its not as efficient.

>>133555095
>Literally no other emotion can even compare. Sadness, despair, zetsubou are the only possible options and the most efficient.

They never actually said if they were the most efficient as far as energy produced by that emotion. They are however 100% the most easy to induce in people which would trump a better conversion rate everyday. Even if happiness produces 100x the power despair does its 1000x harder to produce.
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The idea that girls are more emotional than boys is bullshit. Them QBs were just in it to watch their livestock in frilly skimpy outfits.

Bless their sweet little hearts
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>>133555196
>it's proven rage is the strongest human emotion
Proven by fucking who
Not that it even matters in this case. We have no idea just how the Incubators convert emotion to universe-saving energy. We can only go by what they have concluded, literally stated, and observed in the series: grief is the key.

>>133555299
I can't tell if you're retarded or just baiting at this point. Rage the purest form of emotion? Where the hell do you get that? And how the fuck is less chance of turning into witches in any way better? They need the witches to harvest the energy.

Face it. You're not going to get magical boys except in your stupid BL art/fanfiction
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>>133555317
Umm no rage is the actual strongest human emotion and can literally cause insanity. Nothing can compare with it.
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>>133555365
Umm bro if they need to kill witches to get the energy boys would do a better job.
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It's easer to provoke rage than it is despair also. Even though rage is a stronger emotion.
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He didn't do anything wrong, read this and you'll see why his plan was effective. https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Thermodynamics
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>>133555317
Whether they actually said it was the most efficient energy-producing emotion or not is irrelevant. It can be deduced when they state that the conversion from hope to despair is the most efficient way of gathering energy.
I'd assume an ancient race that has put tons of resources and research toward converting emotion to energy would know a hell of a lot more than this idiot >>133555470 does.

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>>133555405
We've been through this already. Stop fucking posting.
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>>133555379
>>133555405

Im terribly sorry that people arent pandering to your specific fetish in the mainstream anime world. That doesnt make any of your opinions valid or less retarded though. There is an entire thread of counterpoints and actual discussion posted already which pretty much negates your entire thought process. Reread the thread and move along.

If you really really want to get your magical boy sonichu fanfic made into an anime you should just submit it to japan yourself and stop wasting peoples time.
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The cat could just make magical boys who are superior witch killers and kill Their family one by one. Doing that he could harvest all the rage energy. After the boy gives into despair he can harvest that energy and then the boy would turn into a witch. I mean that's if he likes efficiency.
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>>133555487

>despair is the most efficient way of gathering energy

Thats exactly what i said in my response though i was just clarifying that they never said that the particular emotion itself had a better conversion rate. If you can convert a diamond to run a city for a month or use 10 tons of coal for the same thing the coal still ends up being more efficient to use as its easier to obtain.

And no this train of thought does not work on retarded magical boy scenario before anyone brings it up. Girls are just as easy to find as boys.
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>>133555538
It's clear you didn't even watch the series. Stop this
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>>133555633
What makes you say that? I've seen it which is why I'm making this argument. The cat is just shorter than typing Kyubey.
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>>133555633
I've watched it. The cats just shorter for kyubey. I think your just mad because my argument makes more sense then the actual story.
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>>133555716
It's not even about the "cat" part asshat, you very clearly have no idea how any of this works. Either you're an idiot troll or a genuine, massive idiot. I'd say re-watch the show but that wouldn't matter because you've shown you don't have the capacity to do anything but force your stupid BL fantasy. Give up and watch some basic shounen or something

I'm done replying to this shit.
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Reasons why boys make better magical girls.

.better at killing witches
.better karmic destiny
.more willing to sign contracts for power
.can fall into despair just as easy

I don't see anything wrong with this.
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>>133555820
I haven't heard one good argument form you yet? I mean the only things you've said are things I already know. Boys simply would be better and I'm stating reasons why.
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The only thing girls have going for them in assisting kyubey better than a magical boy it they are better looking.
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>>133555826
>.better at killing witches
Actually, that's a downside. Having people struggle for things is a good way to have them fall into despair. If they had a much easier time, they would not have much problems with the task, therefore see it as a hobby. Struggling against witches accentuates the fact that the job is mentally and physically draining, takes more time to be done and that every hunt could be the last one. Not to mention increasing the number of victims, which is a blow for every Seigi no Mikata.
This simple thing is not only controversial (why would they necessarily be better at fighting?) but it also unravels your whole theory.
>.better karmic destiny
Actually not really. Young boys don't really have more karmic destiny at first, and society tends to become egalitarian (just like we can see it with Madoka's mom working, while the father is at home)
>.more willing to sign contracts for power
>.can fall into despair just as easy
I require a source for that. Everybody can be greedy and falls into despair the same way. Plus, number 1 contradicts your theory.
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The only real explanation needed is that QB had thousands of years to make the most efficient system he could and he ended up with magical girls. If there was a way to get more power easier he would have done it already. This guy just has a magical boy fetish or is just trolling.
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>>133556010
This is actually a good argument. But karmic destiny is determined by what they will achieve in their life and how much of an impact it will have on earth. Boys and girls actually can fall into despair just as easy. But you are correct about the witch killing thing. I didn't think of that.
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>>133556112
No, he's just among the many people who desperately try to find a huge flaw in the series' plot because he doesn't understand why the series is so popular and that triggers his autism so hard that he feels like shitposting for the sake of shitposting.
Not to mention that he is a newfag who used "." to list things instead of just greentexting.
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>>133556112
QB isn't real but the people who created the anime are. they chose girls because weebs enjoy lol I magical girls more. Not because it would make more sense.
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>>133556335
Loli magical girls"
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>>133556248
>this is you
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>>133556335
Shut the fuck up. If you have to resort to "anime isn't real and it was a marketing decision because the industry is shit hurr" it's obvious you don't care about discussing the plot and are only here to shitpost.
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>>133556335

Do you know what else isnt real? Magical boys.
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>>133556462
I realize it's not real. But I also realize it would actually make more sense if this show was real for Kyubey to choose boys over girls for reasons stated above. The reason they didn't go realistic and choose boys Is because guys like girls more.
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I actually didn't want to argue this point. I posted my picture as a joke but somebody challenged me on it.
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If it makes you happy we can just say you won the argument and I lost. I just realized I really don't even care that much. Congrats. Have a funny gif for the trouble
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>>133551540

Seems like Kyuubey could have used the plan they had to turn Homura into a witch within her soul gem on Madoka so that even though she turns into a witch, it's completely contained and wouldn't hurt anyone, but it would still release the huge amount of entropy energy ((probably anyway..)) It'd be something to try at least. And after the witch is created within the soul gem they can get some magical girl to destroy it.

seems like a theory worth testing, that way there isn't any huge damage caused by witches. It would at least fix the fact that what they said about how they treat humans ((when he says that his kind treat humans better than humans treat cattle, that they recognize they're an intelligent life form and have the right to exist)) less hypocritical by the end instead of being all

> Oh Madoka has turned into a witch and will destroy all of humanity within ten days
> Well not our problem bye
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>>133552143
Instability has been the source of energy to be honest. See nuclear fission.
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>>133557123
Screw QB.
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>>133557123

An atomic weapon is going off under your chair within5 seconds after reading this post. Make a plan for it to contain before it goes off.

The reason Homura had the whole situation was because they had time to make the plan. They also didnt know exactly what would happen when someone as strong as Madoka became a magical girl much less a witch so having a plan for something you dont know about is pretty hard.
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>>133551540
Nothing. Sacrifice a few girls that even get whatever wish they want granted for the good of the whole Universe. Seems like a fair deal to me.
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>>133551540

He got greedy and pursued a prize to valuable to take.
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>>133551540
Kyubey did everything wrong.

If I wished for it, would Kyubey let me fuck Kyubey?
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>>133559525
しってるよ。君のこと。僕らはみんなともだち。⌒∇⌒
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>>133551540
>Tricks people into throwing away their lifes
>Grants the same people powers capable of overthrowing even himself
What could possibly go wrong?
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>>133551540
It is a lack of information, so I can't still judge him. We know he is a utilitarian so he is willing to kill humans for the universe. Magical girls need to conduct themselves well.

If you guys have few tripfriends, those threads might be better.

I just came home. I visited a Buddhist temple and meditated. I found some closure. I don't use that tripname containing "Circlejerk" any longer. I'm sorry for blogfagging.

I decided to go to various threads and broaden my knowledge. I learnt so much from you guys in Madoka threads. I will never forget the tripfriends and anons.
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>>133557717
Rationalizing doesn't make teen power any less stupid, to be quite honest wholeheartedly.
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>>133560052
I've been here (in Madoka threads) since before Episode 1 aired. All these years, its been a blast.
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>>133551540
Fuck off Satan
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>>133551540
He is coward, choosed the wrong way to fight against death of the universe.
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>>133551540
Everything!
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>>133560233
Isn't that Homura?
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>>133551540
Kyubey a busta
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>>133561554
Busta Groove?
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>>133561769
Ballas be busta
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>>133561769
Why no trip?
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>>133562369
Does it concern you?
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>>133559837
Oh my...
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>>133562471
Just wondering
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>>133560151
I've heard a lot about you !Akemi. You seem to be pretty popular around here.
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>>133560052
>I just came home. I visited a Buddhist temple
>I'm sorry for blogfagging.
Old habits die hard I see
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>>133563332
That's ! .Homura, not !Akemi.
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>>133563393
Well that's how crack-hater anon referred to him yesterday when he was convinced everyone on the board was !Akemi.
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'Your Kyubey has evolved into a Kyubanasar!'
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Kyubey did nothing wrong.
Homura did everything right.
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>>133563667
RAPE MODE
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>>133564227
More like raped mode.
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>>133558971

It's pretty logical and obvious to see that
> Madoka has incredible potential as a magical girl
> Madoka becomes incredibly powerful magical girl
> Madoka then becomes incredibly powerful witch

Seems like the Kyuubeys would have easily seen this coming, considering they seem to know how huge her power is, he even says at the end that she could conceivably become a god, one can only assume they would also know she would turn into a gigantic witch so powerful it could easily destroy humanity.

So if it's true that the Kyuubeys do recognize that people are intelligent beings with the right to exist, and they aren't just being hypocritical, seems like they would have at least tried to figure out a way to contain Madoka's power before they let her make her wish. But we hear nothing of this, and during the timeline where Madoka's witch "will destroy humanity in 10 days" Kyuubey doesn't seem to give a crap, like his jobs over at that point, it's obvious even then that no magical girl would be able to beat her either.
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Did Rebellion get a bluray release?
Can someone dump screencaps from the transformation scene?
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>>133565555
Given how powerful Madoka was Kyubey must have got an equally enormous amount of energy from her witch transformation - at lest that's how I understood this magical girls system works.

>>133565636
Which transformation scene? I think I might be able make some screenshots.
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>>133566080
The sequence where they all take turns transforming.
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>>133566080

What I was saying was that if the kyuubeys had used the method they used on Homura in Rebellion to make it so that she turns into a witch within her soul gem, seems like it wouldn't be too far fetched an idea that it would still release the entropy energy from the transformation.

At the very least include something about how the Kyuubeys tried to contain the unstoppable witch Madoka became before/after it happened, otherwise what Kyuubey said to Madoka when she asked him if they were just cattle to them is pointless lying and totally hypocritical.
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>>133566320
I guess containing the soul gem like in Homura's case requires resources kyubeys are not eager to spent. And while they indirectly responsible for humanity's demise it's madoka's witch form that is directly causing it. They're probably thinking humans brought it upon themselves.
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>>133551540
Shouldn't've said yes to Akuma-chan
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>>133551540
Nothing.
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>>133551540
Nothing
Someone else just does his job better.
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>>133566953
I'm looking for the part where she is spinning and looks like her soul gem
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Were Mami's mammies always this big?

>>133567230
Ok, I'll look for it. Any specific wishes for the other girls? Right now I'm just dumping randoms screenshots.
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>>133567230
Was this what you were looking for? Pictures are nice but these transformations look much better in motion.
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>>133567321
Here is a poorly drawn version of the part of the transformation I'm looking for.
Mami on top doing some ballet shit where you see her whole body and Homura bottom doing a leap thing
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>>133567570
Something like that?
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>>133560052
Wait! If you translate wraith arc 4, I'll give you the Apple!>>133564722 Come back!!
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>>133567913
>>133567552
Thanks for all of these. You can keep posting them if you have time.
I'm just editing them into fancy wallpapers since most Madoka walls are shit
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>>133568686
I'll post a few more pictures then. It's kinda hard to chose the right frame to take a screenshot, there is so many of them.
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What is this shitty thread?
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>>133569221
What's shitty about it?
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>>133568291
Why do you throw the apple to him?
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Is there even any sort of empirical facts that state that teenage girls are more emotional than men in the first place?

Really you'd think that aliens wouldn't fall for that sort of shit. If you want to have all the grief and sadness in the world, he'd probably just harvest the emotions of /r9k/ types.
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>>133569454
I doubt there are real studies that confirm something like that. The important thing is that magical girls are cute while magical NEETs aren't.
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>>133551540
Being stuck in a shit show.
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>>133569646
To be honest, I'd be a lot more amused if magical NEETs was a thing. Madoka as a whole is alright, but I generally like conflicting tones in my stories.
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>>133569352
I don't know why, but LoC loves Apple. Though he is a piece of shit.
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>>133569691
Rise above the hate...
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Is this worth watching? I watched 01, and was pretty disappointed, but the intro/outro song was very touching.
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>>133569982
Yep, it gets more interesting further on, give it a try senpai
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>>133569738
Okay, I'll become Apple.
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>>133569982
I didn't really care for this series but you should really watch more than one episode before judging it.
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>>133560052
Come home soon! Onii-chan!!
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>41 posters
>141 posts
How do you fags even justify these shitty generals you have?
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>>133568915
Ooo this will be a neat one
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>>133570521
I asked for screencaps, they are being dumped
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>>133570570
And desu i hope anon keeps on dumping, there's some neat pics
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>>133563460
Yeah, I'm not that person, I sadly share the reverse trip name, hence I don't pipe up by name often in threads.

!Akemi has a broadly despicable reputation.
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>>133560052
I miss you. Let's keep in touch. Translate wraith arc. Do it! Do it! Do it!
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>>133551540
N O T H I N G
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>>133570685
What exactly was !Akemi hated for?
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>>133570647
I'm glad you like them. Do not hesitate to give me some tips what you would like to see.
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>>133570834
Oh desu homie, i would like the window from the epilogue!
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>>133560052
Please smother me with your love.
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>>133570926
I tried to upload it in .png format but the file was too large.
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>>133571501
Thanks!!!
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Do you still want more?
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>>133570470
No, no, no. That's where you fucked up. !HOMU is onii-chan .

>>133570724
Not really.

>>133570947
That sounds fucking nasty.
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>>133571841
Keep on dumping!!
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>>133572031
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>>133571866
Why do you hate LoC-tan?
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>>133569221
This is the best madoka thread we've had in a long fucking time
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How many of you did notice this ribbon while watching rebellion?
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>>133573005
Shit, not me
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Girls r cuter than boys duh
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The fucking sick fuck who thought of this has to be brought to justice for their perversions.
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>>133574370
>>133574420
Was about to ask those
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>>133574487
If you want something ask now, I'll be going in an hour.
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>>133574598
Nah, you posted some really nice pics, thanks man
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That's the last picture, hope you liked it.
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>>133575548
Much appreciated senpai
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>>133563667
'What's this?' (dun dun dun dun) (fanfare) 'Your Kyubanasar has evolved into a Kyuarasquar!'
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What do you guys think of my new tripname?

>>133560151
>>133570685
I didn't know you were not !Akemi. I always wondered if you are him. Sorry.

>>133562773
Where is the picture from?

>>133563350
I guess so.

>>133568291
Tadaima! But Apple-chan belongs to !GMeguca irl and does to Kevin-kun in 4chan. I cannot guarantee the translation.

>>133569738
Yeah, but I gave up him and stopped circle-jerking.

>>133570470
Hello!

>>133570724
I want to email him but he wouldn't. Ok. If you want my translation, I am supposed to do it.

>>133570947
It looks delicious! Is Apple-chan OK?

>>133571866
Would you be my friend forever?

>>133572084
>>133573409
!GMeguca? Cuteness depends on a person or a character.

>>133574424
hnnnnnnnng

>>133575548
I really appreciate what you've done.
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>>133576358
What do if he reaches this stage?
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Bye!
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>>133577143
can you leave something to contact you
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>>133577267
Die.
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>>133567210
Frampt probably has an even shittier turn over rate, just look at all those hollows.
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>>133578464
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>>133566806

> Humans brought it upon themselves the kyuubey's aren't at fault!
> Kyuubey's bring the power of wishing magic to humans
> Kyuubeys specifically go after young females with this power because they're the most 'emotionally unstable'
> Kyuubey's don't even tell the truth about the origins of witches to the people who contract.
> N-Not Kyuubey's fault!
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>>133579230
Don't worry. He got what he deserved.
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>>133578686
Lewd!
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>>133577638
Are you Apple-chan?
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>>133582144
Anon isn't.
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>>133582510
I see. You didn't try to reply to me. Our relationship really changed. Good bye, until we meet again somewhere.
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>>133582824
Your relationship felt more like an obsession.
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>>133583229
As you do for Kevin-kun.
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>>133583505
I don't post about Kevin-kun every other post. Besides, I can talk to him now if I wanted to.
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>>133583588
Farewell!
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>>133576358
'Your Kyubey has bred!'
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>>133559837
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNn
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