Excluding things like Gundam, is Digimon Adventure the best children's marketing show?
I've watched more than my fair share of kids shows and I just don't think any of them come close to Adventure's level of character building, storyline and being accessible to people of all ages than it. Maybe Tamers and Heartcatch Precure got close.
I just think that it does pretty much everything perfectly. It has it's share of flaws but it does so much else right that it's hard for me to consider anything else above it
And on that note, why are Digimon girls so great?
It is, but that doesn't stop it from being good
>>133496663
Did you misread?
>>133496663
I don't think you read what I said
Well I thought Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds could have been for a while but that pretty much shit the bed past episode 64 so sure why not
>find a few old anime magazines from 2004 buried in my closet
>several page article about Tai/Yamato/Sora shipper drama
>>133498956
>It's still not over and Tri will just make it worse.
IT'S BEEN
No, the best would be Ojamajo Doremi.
Digimon Adventure wasn't that good outside of Hosoda's episode.
>>133496641
That was arguably the only high tier episode.
>>133499658
Also best anime
>>133499658
>No, the best would be Ojamajo Doremi.
That's definitely up there and definitely in top magical girl shows but still not the best for me
I feel this is a thinly disguised Digimon thread.
>>133500044
What the fuck ever gave you that idea?
Though I did want to discuss other children's cartoons that others thought could match up
can we all agree that digimon 02 and frontier were shit?
>>133500585
No. Frontier was bad but 02 was a completely different level of bad.
>>133500585
Frontier still managed to be pretty fun, though. The only reason I even tolerate 02 is because V-mon and his XV/V-Dra evolution lines are my favorite digimon.
>>133496641
The best children's marketing show is Medabots. Watch it nowadays and you will understand why. It's better than any digimon season.
>>133500677
I prefer 02 to Frontier because despite the issues 02 had the characters never spent half a season jobbing.
>>133496641
The best children's marketing show to me is by far Gundam Build Fighters, but since we're excluding Gundam, yeah. Digimon.
>>133500585
02 at least had cool digimon
>>133500762
All I can remember about Frontier is how the protags would power up just to get beat down harder desu senpai
>>133500704
Its obnoxious
The whole V/XV/VDra line is full of shit. The only mon that manages to be a bigger shitter is Shoutmon
>>133500890
You're objectively wrong
>>133500585
Frontier has a cool concept, not so great execution
>>133500762
No, they just spent half a season derping
>>133500890
>The whole V/XV/VDra line is full of shit.
Now wait a minute, I have no love for 02 but let's not say shit we can't take back
>>133500713
I'll admit I have not rewatched that in a long time but I'm not really sure if that show was as great
>>133500929
I'll concede
You managed to pick out the one that I actually like
>>133500974
Don't be gross, senpai
Get that shit outta here
>>133494069
shit, this is tough
>>133501085
>You managed to pick out the one that I actually like
Paildramon is good too
>>133500762
>02 had the characters never spent half a season jobbing
Only a good quarter.
>>133501285
Everything about that particular third or so of the show with the Destiny Stones and all that bullshit was the worst
>>133496641
Yes and no;
It's successful in Japan, no doubt about it. But everywhere else where v-pet is on the blink of death, not so much; Digimon as a v-pet is pretty much dead here in Americawhich explains why we'll never get either Decode, or Next Order here or anywhere else beside Japan.
>>133501483
The ending was terrible as well.
The show simply fell apart after the Kaiser arc and became progressively worse with each episode.
And not that the Kaiser arc was a wonder, but it had at least some coherence.
>>133501547
I'm not talking about success here, I'm talking show quality. Which is why I noted Adventure and not Digimon as a whole.
>>133500585
I liked 02, ending notwithstanding. Mostly the Digimon Kaiser arc, the Dark Ocean episode, and the BlackWarGreymon character arc.
>>133501606
Well get used to this becoming a Digimon General, because this is the month of Tri.
>>133501653
>and the BlackWarGreymon character arc.
The one that was literally him whining all the time only to reach a conclusion that was undone in literally the next episode making the sacrifice pointless?
>>133496641
One good episode doesn't make it better than Pokemon.
>>133501653
>I liked 02
You are everything I hate.
Gashbell is really really fucking good.
Although it has weak arcs, that's mainly when it doesn't follow the manga and even then the random filler eps are still pretty good.
The movies are pretty meh and even go against canon (Movie has demons still move around in the demon world. Digimon probably has the best children's tie-in movies.
Also, it's probably not good to underestimate the shoujo and magical girl genre.
>Excluding things that are better than it, is Digimon Adventure the best children's marketing show?
Yes
>>133501700
Maybe it was just me being an 8-year-old proto-edgelord at the time it aired in the US. I stand by the Digimon Kaiser and the Dark Ocean, though.
>>133501731
Adventure and Tamers were better, but I still enjoyed 02.
>>133501717
I used that episode because it's my and many others favorite but no I would definitely say it's the best. It had a beginning-middle-end with lovable characters who got decent arcs and above-average story
>>133501741
>Gashbell is really really fucking good.
How was that a children's toyetic show? That was a manga adaptation. A really good one on that note but that's not what I'm talking about
>>133501717
Actually it does:
it fucking ends with either 02 or Tri. Pokemon will NEVER FUCKING ENDS, ASH WILL NEVER WIN ANOTHER POKEMON LEAGUE BESIDES THE FILLERS, AND TEAM ROCKET WILL NEVER DISBANDED BECAUSE OF THE TERRIBLE TRIO TROPE THAT TATSUNOKO INVENTED AND THEM LEECHING OFF OF IT.
>>133501805
BlackWarGreymon was a very interesting idea, an "artificial" digimon that is completely lost has potential. However, like most things in 02, it was handled horribly and all you had was angst for episodes and episodes until his retarded death,
I don't disagree, OP. Digimon Adventure is just plain amazing.Forget being the best children's marketing show, I think it's the best anime outright.
>>133501806
It's literally everyone's favorite episode. None of the other episodes even come close to it. It's jarringly high quality.
>>133502083
Among favorite episodes, I think a fair amount of people like the Angemon reveal episode, the WarGreymon/MetalGarurumon first evolution episode and the final episode.
>>133500677
>>133496641
Frontier read like a really bad fanfic. You could also cut out literally 10 episodes near the finale and absolutely nothing changes. 02 had a lot of good ideas, and if Milleniummon showed up for more than a 3-second flashback, it might've been decent. But everything was a mess and it fell flat really fast.
Imagine if Takeru's role wasn't shafted and given to Ken, the dark ocean's purpose was explained, Oikawa wasn't included at all, BlackWarGreymon was taken care of without becoming cancerous, the deities' role was expanded, DNA Digivolving/Jogress didn't force MagnaAngemon and Angewoman to vanish forever, the kids could swap armors to use different evolutions, etc. It could've been so much better.
>>133501889
I'm remembering the episode where he's finally destroyed all the Destiny Stones and fucked things up for everybody, he asks that dragon guy "WHAT IS MY PURPOSE" and he's like "you don't have one". Then he screams and fucks off for a while.
02 in a nutshell
>>133501834
You said children's marketing and never mentioned toyetic. and Gash Bell had a shit ton of kids marketing way back. Toys and games out of the ass as that was the style at the time.
Someone already mentioned Doremi but I'd also like to mention some Live action Sentai Are better than Digimon.
In consistency, I'd say Yu-gi-oh has proven to have the best average in quality if we were to say the take into account every series under a franchise.
Also, if you really want somethong "Toyetic" there's the Brave series with Gaogaigar.
>>133502205
No mention of Frontier turning into the Takuya and Koji Show towards the end?
>>133502277
I've watched every YGO series to this date and I feel that all of them are like half good and half shit. It really comes to how much shit you can handle to consider it the best
DM is fantastic when it's adapting the manga. When it's doing filler, its terrible (also nobody cares about it). GX is SoL without a purpose for 100 episodes before becoming amazing. 5Ds is basically >>133496908. Zexal is just terrible before going into Zexal II which is better but even the beginning of that is wonky and Arc-V seems to be becoming the best of the lot if they could just move out of this tournament arc. So I just those series wildly inconsistent compared to Adventure.
I did forget about GaoGaiGar. I should probably think about that one.
>>133502324
That's pretty much those 10 episodes I mentioned.
>Royal Knights show up
>Only Takuya and Koji have mega forms, everyone else takes cover after forking over their spirits
>EmperorGreymon and MagnaGarurumon fight the Royal Knights
>They lose
>Royal Knights eat part of the world
>Rinse, repeat
I liked a lot of the designs the digimon had, but that was all Frontier had going for it.
>>133496656
>why are Digimon Girls so great
All but one of those are great to decent.
Sora is complete garbage.
>>133502447
Well it was a pretty unique concept for the Mons type shows. Problem was the plot. It really wasn't sure where it wanted to go sometimes.
>>133496641
>is Digimon Adventure the best children's marketing show?
No, we have something called Pokemon.
>>133502205
02 had a ton of cool ideas but they were all cramped together and badly executed, creating the worst result possible. The second part is nothing but plotholes and asspulls. Picrelated is how I see it.
>>133502226
That that "conclusion" was reached after 5-10 episodes of fighting and losing to him made it even worse.
>>133502226
Nah, he destroys the last Stone then dragon guy says, "The meaning of life is to go and find the meaning of life" and BlackWarGreymon leaves the show until the writers remember him.
Talkative dragonmon also restores all the destroyed Stones thus making the entire arc one big waste of time.
>>133502828
the Pokemon anime is pretty meh though
the various manga series are way better
>>133502909
It's still more popular and profitable than Digimon, which makes it "the best children's marketing show".
>>133502952
but Pokemon is popular and profitable mainly because of the games not the show
>>133503001
A lot of people in the west got into the game mainly because they saw the anime.
>>133501868
Digimon fucks up too much to be considered "good".
Yeah Pokemon never evolves but is worst will never put it in cryogenic sleep like Frontier or be awful incarnate like 02 and Hunters.
>>133503066
Are you people not paying attention or are you not understanding I'm talking about Adventure here, just the original 54 episode series. Not the franchise as a whole
>>133503015
That's the anime's purpose afterall.
>>133502372
>Arc-V
>Best
>In a terribly paced arc
>Yuya's Yuzusexuality is actively annoying and forced too hard
>Shun's invincibility is actually kinda tedious as much as it makes great webm bait
>Everyone else is stagnating
>Duel writing has gone straight to hell
And as much ZeXal 1 had bullshit like dueling dogs and dueling trash bots the duels felt more exciting and less boss vision featuring situational traps.
>>133503135
Adventure is alright but deep down I only really enjoy Joe and Koushiro "Izzy" Izumi as characters.
>>133503226
>and less boss vision featuring situational traps.
But that's everything Zexal was
And the duels all became a literal Mad Libs of card game anime. Just fill in the blank with x card, make sure Hope is in there or whatever the ace card of the character is and you've got one or two episodes. Every duel plays out the same way in that show after a while and it just gets worse in Zexal II once RUM enters the picture.
>>133503286
Well, I honestly thought they did the impossible and developed 8 characters really well to the extent I was interested in all of them (well Hikari came in a bit too late and was a bit too Jesus). Jou and Koushiro are my favorite characters though.
>>133503574
hikari was really little more than digimon jesus, but the final battle vs piedmon really helped me like both takeru and her more. 02 starting with these two rather close helped solidify that.
>>133503574
>developed 8 characters really well
One note characteristics that are swapped around slightly in a single episode later on is nor development.
That and Koushiro and Joe are static.
>>133504501
>One note characteristics that are swapped around slightly in a single episode later on
I think that's really doing it a disservice. They all pretty much had character arcs.
Saying Mimi of all people is one note is especially wrong
>>133504597
She is until the geckomon episode, then they add a second note.
>>133504690
Is that like as far as you watched or what?
>>133504765
I watched the whole thing, you're praising it way more than it deserves.
I seriously never got the appeal of Digimon and I watched them all up until that one where they combine.
It always boiled down to escalating levels of "protagmon, supermegaultrahypertripledeluxedigivolve into omegagiganiggadeusexplotarmorbeltanzippermon!"
And the characters mostly ranged from forgettable to annoying. I just don't see what puts it above other kid's shows besides occasional edge. Hell I remember thinking Medabots was leaps and bounds ahead of it.
>>133502372
>GX is SoL without a purpose for 100 episodes
No it wasn't. There was the Seven Stars and Society of Light which were major threats leading up to Yubel. GX was just crazy shit though and though and that's what makes it awesome. Though the crazy shit Judai got amazing character development and became the best character in GX.
>>133496641
What counts as a 'marketing show'? If you're including Precure, then I fail to see how the obvious candidate wouldn't be it. What else has as many god tier character arcs?
>>133505562
Sailor moon the anime and manga are rubbish.I should not be rooting for Saphir goddammit.
>>133505893
I've not encountered anyone who dislikes both the anime and the manga. Usually people hate one and love the other, or have otherwise only encountered one adaptation. Are you implying there's another version you do actually like, you hipster bitch?
>>133506010
No, I simply gave the series a shot and ended up not liking any part of it.
>>133506073
Oh, I had you pinned as a crazy live action fan. And Saphir is great, why are you saying that like it's a bad thing?
>>133506325
It's just that, this did not feel like the sort of story where I should be rooting for the villain.
Monster Rancher is a critically underrated show, and I think a big part of that is the lack of subs. It did the camaraderie, romance and sacrifice far more powerfully than Digimon or Pokemon ever did, since the writers never allowed their creativity to be stunted by the pressure of censors and of a sequel.
Adventure is good, but is also tainted by nostalgia. I had trouble watching the Japanese because it was too serious and grimdark. It's a shinsekai series based around a child's concept of what goes on inside computers and the internet. It needs to be silly, like the aforementioned Gash Bell
Zoids Chaotic Century was also quite good, but in Canada I think Zero (the worseer series) made a bigger impact.
And oh yeah, 02's ending was the original ending for 01. 02 is what saved 01 from being shit.
>>133506657
>Adventure 01I really liked MR as a kid, really should re-watch it some time. I do remember it had a really shitty ending that takes place after the good ending of Genki being home without any of his friends
>>133506798
That's the second season. The first season wasn't written with a second in mind, but very few people even saw the second season.
>>133503226
>>Duel writing has gone straight to hell
ACTION CARD? More like ASSPULL CARD amirite
>>133506657
>someone has ripped monster farm with subs and put it on bt
I'm really proud of them
>>133496641
>is Digimon Adventure the best children's marketing show?
No, that's Ashita no Nadja. But Adventure is damn good regardless.
>>133507411
What's the name? All I have are the Antique Acquisition releases from several years ago.
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>>133496641
>>133507572
Bless you, anon. That was what I came here to say.
>>133506520
>this did not feel like the sort of story where I should be rooting for the villain
That's like, such a huge factor in what makes Sailor Moon good that it makes no sense to me. Sailor Moon is absolutely the kind of thing where you should feel sympathy for the villains, who are not infrequently at least as virtuous as the heroes.
Come to think of it, why are kids merchandising anime so rarely revered by critics? Naturally most of them are crap, so it's a given, but the ones that are good are every bit as solid as the more self seriousand pretentioustitles.
>>133496641
Tamers was my favourite with 01 a close second.
>>133500585
Frontier was ok and 02 was decent for a while, I think some other guy directed the shit episodes.
>>133507848
It's right on bakabt senpai
Pokemon, Yugioh, DBZ and Gundam namely G-Gundam were very successful in america in the early 2000s. Pokemon however would be the crown champion though throughout the world since it came out and it still is. We even have a board for it /vp/.
>>133500585
02 was cool until post Kaiser.
>All that Focus on Ken
>Davis continues to be retarded for no reason other than to put more focus on Ken.
>The Dub Makes the Sora/Taichi/Yamato shipping situation worse
>IT WAS ME, VAMEDEMON!
>>133509876
>He dies by children telling others what they want to be when they grow up
>This is an actual thing that happened
>>133496641
>children
Children shows are nonexistant OP just like japans newborns
This days anime is only about moebait and nostalgiabait
>>133496641
Go watch Jewelpet Sunshine and come back.
>>133496656
All i remember is puppet girl is bat shit insane.
>>133514250
Yes, she is kind of insane, then she got possessed by an American Superweapon creating the batshit.
SI TU LO DESEAS PUEDES VOLAR
>>133507892
What did Nadja want me to buy?
>>133514426
All of Nadja's outfits and plastic toys featured in the show.
>>133514391
NO A LAS DROGAS.
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>>133496641
>Excluding stuff like x
>Is y the best?
>>133515155
I excluded Gundam because the discussion of how much of a kids toyetic show it is gets gunota around here into throwing a bitch fit
>>133496641
Ojamjo Doremi is better.
>>133502829
>Picrelated is how I see it
Same for me, except it dropped much faster and sharper at the beginning:
I really didn't like Ersatz-Tai and the whole mood.
>>133502883
>Talkative dragonmon
How did the Dark Masters and Apocalimon ever imprison those fuckers anyway? They seem to be ridiculously strong, stronger than every other Digimon in the whole show, except maybe VelialVamdemon.
>>133509048
Pokemon was, and still is, pure dogshit in all forms.
>>133501681
Tai has some pretty hype shoes
>>133516003
>XY
>dogshit
>>133517613
>that laggy, ugly insult of a game
>not dogshit
And then ORAS made it worse.
>>133501731
this scene made me realize im gay, hes so handsome here
was Digimon Adventure 02 really that bad?
i remember watching that, the first DA and Digimon Tamers as a child and i liked all three of them
>>133518789
Watch them again and see.
When I rewatched it, Adventure had some issues, the animation was as low budget as possible and there were some iffy parts. But with some very good hype moments and characters. Also the plot and themes were dealt with pretty well.
02 had very little things to redeem it. All the bad things of Adventure remained, while the good stuff was removed. Not to mention that it became a mess of asspulls and pltoholes.
I likedsavers
I remember something about an evil clown and some kind of vampire invading the real world. What arcs where these in the show?
>>133511324
>Those dreams come completely out of nowhere with absolutely no mention made of them before
>>133519496
That's part of Adventure. Vampire was Myotismon, the villain of the "return to the real world" arc. The clown was Piedmon, one of the very last villains before the finale in the "dark masters" arc.
>>133519365
My nigga
I think it was the only kid show at the time that dealt somewhat with slightly more mature than average themes. I mean they've killed all their enemies instead of "knocking them out" or something like that. They've also lost allies. There was a sense of real danger and you could expect things to go wrong. Each one of the characters grew up during the adventure too in a different way.
Part of the reasons I really disliked adventure 02 is because they took away some of that. The whole muh dindu nuffin poor brainwashed by black gears monsters we can't kill no matter what really ruined it.
They managed to recover somehow in Tamers. Saviors is shit, they don't even have actual digimon anymore. Haven't watched Xros.
>>133521722
>they've killed all their enemies
You mean reverted them back to eggs after they break up into clean little particles.
>>133521818
Well yes. But they still destroyed stuff so the 11 years old me didn't feel cheated. Also the Myotismon and Dark masters arks were top tier.
>>133496641
You've watched some WMTs, anon?I agree though. Digimon Adventure is 10/10
>>133499658
Doremi's character design is too comical for me.
>>133500585
Nah, Frontier was good.
>>133500762
>not liking strong villains
>>133506657
I should watch Monster Rancher someday.Can't bring myself to do it because I won't have anyone to talk to about it afterwards and it's a long anime.
>>133523006
>Frontier was good
>>133525423
It wasn't that bad
