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Holy fucking shit.
I just watched the first episode of pic related, and I was in physical pain from cringing for almost the entirety of the 24 minute runtime. Any remaining time was spent laughing hysterically.
I was under the impression that Valvrave was along the lines of Gargantia and Aldnoah: not high art, but mostly solid and entertaining. Does it get better, or is it really this fucking awful from beginning to end? I haven't seen a first episode this damning since Blassreiter.
>>133072338
>aldnoah
>solid and entertaining
>>133072338
That was also how i felt when i watched the first episode. I think how much of a travesty it is is partly why people enjoyed it, at least here.
>>133072449
I knew this would be the first reply. Aldnoah S1 was damn good, anon.
At the very least, it isn't anywhere near as bad as Valvrave's first episode would indicate.
>>133072500
Is that what it is? I wish I could have been around /a/ when it aired. I don't think I can endure this trainwreck in solitude.
>>133072338
Did you miss /m/ by taking a left turn at Albuquerque or something? That's usually where the nine or ten "Valvrave is shit" threads wind up.
I'm sorry /a/. We wanted him to fuck off somewhere else, but I didn't think he'd go to you next.
You all can be kinda shitty sometimes, but you don't deserve the Valvrager.
Sincerest apologies.
-/m/
So...was it rape?
>>133072678
>>133072597
>I was under the impression that Valvrave was along the lines of Gargantia and Aldnoah: not high art, but mostly solid and entertaining
And you got something much better than the mediocrity feast that was Aldnoah beyond the very few episodes and that will eventually deliver unlike Gargantia.
>>133072597
>Aldnoah S1 was damn good, anon.
It promised but ended not even being stupid enough to be funny. And the entire Aldnoah S2 is below the lowest Valvrave point.
I mean, even the art is horrible. There's something about the faces that makes me uneasy, like some Innsmouth shit.
>>133072618
Sorry, I'm not usually a "thing you enjoy is shit" type person. I tend to have extremely plebeian tastes, see: Aldnoah.
>>133072673
>Valvrager
Is that really a thing?
>>133072678
No, becausehedidn't want to.
Go watch Cross Ange instead. Much more fun and an actually well-developed female lead.
>aldnoah
>good
and no s1 was not good either although I admit I liked the I SAY CRYYY
>>133072678
The Definitive Guide™
>>133072775
>Is that really a thing?
Oh, you know it is you bastard.
> I tend to have extremely plebeian tastes, see: Aldnoah.
Fuck, it's evolving.
>>133072338
it was fun watching this shit with /a/ and dropping it every week
I guess its more like, Valvrave is a fucking rollercoaster ride. Shit happens in it. It's not particularly good. The art is okay.
If you want to watch it, you should be watching it for the hysterical laughter.
>>133072775
You're not fooling anyone, valvrgr.
>>133072678
Saki did rape him, and even tried to do it again later in the series.
Infinite Ryvius is way worse
>>133073129
Oh boy.
They really lay the whole "DUDE TWITTER SOCIAL MEDIA LMAO" stuff way too thick in the beginning.
>Laughing hysterically.
>Not entertaining.
Anon that's the charm.
>>133072790
That's actually right next to Valvrave in my backlog. I heard really bad things, but then I heard much better things.
>>133072835
Is it really baiting to say that I loved Aldnoah but recognize it as the type of thing that the "patricians" of /a/ look down on?
>>133072746
>>133072796
I'll gib ya one in the gabber, lads.
>>133072890
>The art is okay.
Valvrave kicking off at the end actually looked really nice. The rest of it was unpleasant.
>If you want to watch it, you should be watching it for the hysterical laughter.
Maybe now that I have a clearer picture of what I'm getting myself into, I'll be able to handle it.
>>133072890
>The art is okay.
Mechanical design is ok, character design is quite good.
>>133073214
>Maybe now that I have a clearer picture of what I'm getting myself into, I'll be able to handle it.
Holy shit.
>"patricians" of /a/ look down on?
Even half brained plebs look down on it.
![kakumeiki_valvrave-09-kyuuma_inuzuka-student-pilot-mecha-smiling-happy-confident[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rErP8EL.jpg "kakumeiki_valvrave-09-kyuuma_inuzuka-student-pilot-mecha-smiling-happy-confident[1].jpg")
>>133073208
It's a matter of proportion, anon. There was significantly more physical pain than ironic mirth.
>>133073279
>character design is quite good
I disagree, but I respect your opinion. These niggas just look weird to me.
>>133073426
>>133072338
>valvrager takes a stop at /a/
>>133072338
>I was under the impression that Valvrave was along the lines of Gargantia and Aldnoah: not high art, but mostly solid and entertaining.
What gave you that impression? Valvrave was enjoyable for the fights and to see where the story would go, but it was never that great. Also, the music was good.
>>133072338
Valvrave was a trainwreck - one of the most enjoyable wrecks I've ever seen.
>>133074213
>Valvrave was enjoyable for the fights
Said no one ever.
>>133074116
Ya'll /m/ooks are some serious pussies if this is what you consider rage.
>>133074213
>What gave you that impression?
I'm honestly not sure. I took a couple year vacation from tibetan cavepaintings, and I think I ended up slurring those three shows together for some reason.
>>133072338
>Aldnoah: not high art, but mostly solid and entertaining
So bait thread
>>133072338
I watched it for Saki and Cream.
>>133074387
>Valvrave was a trainwreck - one of the most painful wrecks I've ever seen.
Fixed
>>133074401
>if this is what you consider rage.
It's the insidiousness of it, and also the fact that he just never stops. It isn't like your Sakurafish either. He constantly revises his posts and technique so you can never quite filter him.
>>133074411
Is one of those the gym teacher with the delicious cowtits, or the loli that was fondling her at the end of the episode? Because they seem alright.
>>133074401
He's not really that 'ragey' as much as he is annoying and a chronic shitposter. He's also really bad at not pretending to be other people.
>>133074728
>pretending to be other people
Fuck I've been scatterbrained today.
>>133072338
>I was under the impression that Valvrave was along the lines of Gargantia and Aldnoah: not high art, but mostly solid and entertaining.
If you're not entertained then I don't think we can do anything for you, faggot.
Valvrave is the Until Dawn to Aldnoah Zero's Beyond: Two Souls
>>133074675
It's this hot as fuck cake that got less time than she needed and some other slut.
>>133074642
I can understand that, but past the first post, I've mentioned some things about the episode that weren't terrible. And I'll name two other ones here: the music was bretty gud, and the plastic green hangers didn't look as bad as I thought they would.
It's just shit like pic related made me want to close the window, crawl into a hole, and die. It wasn't enough that the writing was terrible, but the QUALITY was off the charts.
>>133072338
>physical pain from cringing
>not high art, but mostly solid and entertaining
Your bait skills really need work
>>133075050
Valvrave is a kinda off the rails soap opera.
If you aren't in the mood for overly melodramatic writing, I advise you bail the fuck out immediately.
Valvrave and Cross Ange are just shitty knock offs of Code Geass.
What a strange OP, he doesn't seem to really have any real complaint against it, except he's prone to feeling embarrassment and horror out of nowhere and decided to blame it on the show.
Fuck him, VVV was a ton of fun.
I can tell OP hasn't actually watched VVV, because the first few episodes are actually pretty great. The way it sets Haruto up being an edgy "They killed my waifu, now I'll show them a REAL monster!" and then two seconds after he gives up his humanity she's like "I'm still alive, wow that was fuckin nuts huh?" was hilarious to me. It's like, shit, NOW what?
Now I don't mind shitting on VVV as a whole because S2 was just shitty and needlessly grimdark, but come on. S1 was the best part of this shitshow! You can't just come here and shitpost about anime you've never watched!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hif59eZrOM
BOKU JA NAI BOKU JA NAIS2 doesn't exist.
>>133075401
>>133075392
>hating on S2
Ancient aliens make everything better you assclowns
>>133075494
>wraps up the whole series by killing every good character or changing them then leaves a shitty as fuck ambiguous ending
>anywhere near good
>>133075273
>he doesn't seem to really have any real complaint against it
The writing and art/animation QUALITY are my complaints, see >>133075050
>>133075392
Anon, I literally said that I only watched the first episode. I was asking if it gets better.
>>133075494
I'm going to have to agree with this anon. Maybe there's hope yet.
>>133075660
That's not what QUALITY means, dumbass.
>>133075401
Why is Angela so based?
>>133075606
SPOILERS ANONI already know that protagonist-kun dies at the end, and I knew that there was rape in either Gargantia, Aldnoah, or Valvrave. It wasn't in the first two, so it must be here.
>>133075660
>I was asking if it gets better.
It doesn't. At all. It gets worse.
>>133075606
Why does Eva get so much praise senpai?
>>133075764
I'm starting to think this guy has only seen 3 anime total.
>>133075606
Concluding on the overarching theme of how cooperation and trust is how bonds are forged rather than mere understanding (or alternatively: lies ruin everything) left a greater impact on me than Cain revealing himself to be space Dio.
I mean, ep 12 ended pretty hype with Cain unleashing his glow and all, but 24 managed to deliver a theme. I am an absolute sucker for when a show delivers a thematic message.
Now that I look back, I saved some of the weirdest shit into my VVV folder.
>>133075828
>Concluding on the overarching theme of how cooperation and trust is how bonds are forged rather than mere understanding (or alternatively: lies ruin everything) left a greater impact on me than Cain revealing himself to be space Dio.
>I am an absolute sucker for when a show delivers a thematic message.
The ending was literally witchhunts. There was no understanding, just fear and killing.
>>133075858
Still can't believe the person who made this had it actually nearly come true a few episodes later.
>>133075813
>>133075392
To be fair, S1's finale was a tough act to follow.
>>133075949
Here's your (you)
>all these spoilers
Alright, lads, I'm out.
Maybe I'll persevere. If I finish it, I will probably report back. Sorry in advance.
ERU ERUFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLIQrFY3fUk
>>133075957
Wasn't that one made after the whole marriage proposal/blowing up her dad thing?
>>133075153
Cross Ange really isn't much less Geass.
>tfw I didn't think to marathon Valvrave again during Halloween
There's always next year, I guess.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm27486031
Still better than this garbage
>>133076233
>hating the best mecha anime in years
You are retarded.
>>133076110
>>133075957
I still love how little Saki meant to him and how little he cared about her.
>>133073507
>These niggas just look weird to me.
I wont comment on their personalities, but all the girls were cute as fuck.
>>133076443
Saki is a bitch and a whore.
Shoko master race represent.
At least make it to episode 4. That was the best episode. Too bad about S2.
>>133076192
Did you mean to say worse than? Cross Ange is okay but it's much worse than Code Geass season 1.
>>133076233
>Buttmad /a/non upset a Hiraiface show is getting traction in his seekrit club
Fafner is supreme.
>not posting the meme version
>>133076454
I thought the characters in Valrave looked good too, at the very least it doesn't have sameface issues like many character designs today, but the "Valrave is bad" mentality makes people feel like everything it has is bad.
>>133076730
>liking suffering anime unironically
It's not good for your long term health
It's a shame that the show turned out so bad considering how good the music was.
>>133076233
All I see is a bunch of happy kids and cool mechs honestly.
Never forget
>>133076868
>It's a shame that the show turned out so bad considering how good the music was.
But it wasn't. Al the in show music was bland and boring and Nana and T.M. don't sing well together.
>>133076789
Valvrave actually had a lot of sameface.
>>133076923
Deaf
>>133076953
Blind
>>133076904
All because the main character was a spineless wuss.
>>133076481
What's Shoko doing?
>>133076454
best girl won
>>133076991
No they do not mix at all. They have terrible harmony and it just sounds like crap.
How would you fix Valvrave?
>>133077043
Fuck off valvrager.
>>133077034
She did.
>>133077043
>>133076992
>>133076953
>>133076923
>>133075949
And so once again it begins
>>133076854
It has comfy parts too. It is like a 50 episode series of the alternate Eva setting.
>>133077054
Remove Haruto, the module 77 crap, the vampire crap, the fugly valvraves, and make it about L-Elf and Hilter Youth using grunts.
VVV has a better cast of characters than Aldnoah. The art is pleasant, so is the OST. The story and the pacing are abysmal but at least deliver what they promised: the seed of revolution.
>>133076854
but Fafner is full ofKIBO
>>133077146
The story was fine.
The pacing, sure that was dildos, but the story was fine.
>>133077101
You do know that >>133077043 and >>133076923 and >>133076992 are completely correct right?
>>133075606
Saki, Akira, Drills, Satomi, A-drei, Kriemhild, L-Elf and Cowtits teacher are alive.
Only decent characters who died were H-neun and Moses. Marie and Lis had potential.
How do I become a hero like Haruto in real life?
>>133077189
Gee valvrager you sure told me!
>>133077146
>VVV has a better cast of characters than Aldnoah.
Wrong
>The art is pleasant,
No it's pretty bad
>so is the OST.
Bland and boring
>The story and the pacing are abysmal
Yes
>but at least deliver what they promised: the seed of revolution
Nope. We were promised a giant space war in the future. Not some shitty story that had no payoff.
>>133077227
Lose all masculinity and become a spineless wuss that can't stand up to anyone and lie about everything.
>>133077188
There were dumb as fuck TWEEEST, sure some made the story entertaining but it was still dumb like the rape.
They just should have explained sucking runes is Space Vampire sex rather than put that out nowhere.
Why was there so many edits for this show?
>>133076789
Sameface between Haruto and Shoko was bad enough to fuel some speculah back in the day.
>>133077276
>We were promised a giant space war in the future
No, it simply said the VVV system would unveil the truth to the world. It's in every single episode preview.
I suppose it lied becauseL-Elfdid that shit.
>>133077338
It isn't difficult to figure out, man.
Plus you're complaining about twists in a soap opera, what's next complaining that gendum is a toy commercial?
>>133077225
>Saki,
Idol shit
>Akira,
Shitty neet and unimportant
>Drills,
Not important and a non character
>Satomi,
Non character
>A-drei,
Unimportanr and useless
>Kriemhild,
Non character
>L-Elf
Gary stu
>Cowtits
Backgrounds are not characters
>/a/ getting trolled to high hell by Valvrager.
/m/ is saved
>>133077382
WHO WAS THE MOTHER/FATHER OF L-ELF DESCENDANTS?
>>133077276
>promised a space war
Come on
Just
Seriously
Come on
Are you getting your jollies doing this?
>>133077403
In a soap opera drama has to make sense and not be pulled from the writers ass and discarded an episode later. And the rape was never given any explanation.
>>133077364
It's normal, certain types of shows just attract particularly lively fanbases.
>>133077401
>No, it simply said the VVV system would unveil the truth to the world. It's in every single episode preview.
And it didn't. All they did was throw blame around and run away.
It had one of the most actual homo 'bromance' in mecha since Fafner.
There was a point in episode 7, was it? That felt like fucking NTR with A-drei begging for L-Elf to come back and he choosing Haruto. Really felt bad for the guy. ;_;
Remember that one guy with the cow symbol on the mech in the future that was the same as the one on Shoko's shirt?
Fuck there were so many false leads.
>>133077468
>Timeskip promised something epic
>We got nothing but shi.>
>>133076875
And one filthy disgusting ginger in a hovel appropriate for her.
>>133077568
Dropped plot. Like 85% of everything else in vvv.
>>133077568
Getting carried away with the flimsiest and wildest speculah is one of my favorite things.
>>133077547
Do you even /m/echa dude? Homo bromance in mecha is commonly fuck.
>>133072338
It's complete garbage from start to finish
>mfw valvrave vocal defense force on /a/
ay kek
>>133077481
It's quite easy to figure out: rune lust kicks in whenever Haruto is low on surplus runes during the events of s1, hence all the bitey hissfits. It's a reflex to ensure the Valvraves are adequately fueled for operation.
During the events of s2, particularly when the ardor grip is installed, the mechanism that'd trigger rune lust fails, cutting into Haruto's own runes which is where major memory loss comes from.
>>133072338
It has the most successful 'peace princess' in the entire mecha history: L-Elf.
>>133077364
Because VVV threads were fucking great.
>>133077586
>>133077568
>falling for non sequitur
oamlyya
>>133077547
Nothing gay about being the cream to one's coffee, the ham to one's eggs.
>>133077636
I do, but I have never seen ambiguous future child that's obviously made up of Haruto or L-Elf or space vampire sex in bites or L-Elf fucking comparing Haruto to his love interest and Haruto wanting to kill himself because he made him cry.
They went too far. At that point, I didn't believe Haruto's affection for Shouko was real. It just seemed like a huge beard.
>>133077660
>It's quite easy to figure out: rune lust kicks in whenever Haruto is low on surplus runes during the events of s1, hence all the bitey hissfits. It's a reflex to ensure the Valvraves are adequately fueled for operation.
>During the events of s2, particularly when the ardor grip is installed, the mechanism that'd trigger rune lust fails, cutting into Haruto's own runes which is where major memory loss comes from.
None of that was ever implied or even hinted at. You are just making up bullshit to defend them dropping the attacks after the rape.
>>133077736
Go on, make a fool of yourself.
>>133077661
I saved up this one.
>>133077713
![latest[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dHi9NCi.jpg "latest[2].jpg")
>>133076789
I prefer Aldnoah's. Lame Tryhard is best girl.
>>133077844
LET'S GO ED never got enough screen time.
Was Haruto in the closet?
Hal and Elf's Bogus Revolution
>>133077934
Little fucker lasted longer than anyone ever expected.
>>133077904
Probably.
>>133077934
Gotta laugh he had the highest tier named death count.
Q-vier was a qt.
>>133077957
Queef is honestly the one thing I hate about the show.
Fucking Thunder why did you have to job like that with him.
>>133077904
No
>>133077976
Lord of the Flies in space, they said.
>>133078001
Thunder didn't job. He had no way of beating him now he's upgraded his robot. The most retarded thing in the show was not have L-Elf steal one of those Krishbaums whatever they were called because he was the most OP pilot with Cain.
Karlstein have always been better pilots than the VVV squad, the only times the VVV squad had the upperhand was because L-Elf planned it, superior machine and surprise element. They get wrecked otherwise.
>>133078001
You're just mad you'll never enjoy as much job satisfaction as he did.
>>133078001
>Thunder
>barely any experience in combat
>Q-vier
>super soldier who was given a mecha that can counter VVV
It was the natural outcome.
>>133078105
>>133078160
>fight literally in Raizo's hand, complete with point blank shot
>oops Queer spot dodges and Raizo is suddenly too derp to think that could happen
>NO THIS IS THE ONLY OUTCOME THE VALVRAVE WAS DOOMED TO FAIL NO MATTER WHAT
you're trying too hard
>>133078243
Q-vier was toying with him. Like a cat toys with food.
>>133078291
Bullshit he was, that was a a total punt on Thunder's end.
Toying with your prey never involves letting your prey grapple you and threaten a point blank kill shit. That was a hard read on Q's end but it smacks of bullshit that Thunder is so shortsighted as to have that be his downfall when up to that moment he demonstrated a significant buff to competence over the last time he jobbed.
>>133072338
>Gargantia and Aldnoah: not high art, but mostly solid and entertaining.
What. Gargantia is great, Aldnoah is shit and Valverave is worse shit. There is no consensus anywhere on the internet that Valverave is good for anything other than watching a trainwreck
>>133077618
Deepest shit since Madoka.
>>133078362
>Gargantia is great
Gargantia was average at best.
You want a good me show? You watch Dai Guard or Giant Gorg.
>>133078362
>Gargantia is great
>>133078417
>hipster shows for hipster maggots
If you haven't experienced Gasaraki then your opinion on mecha anime is null to me.
>>133078362
Gargantia was nothing special.
>>133078457
>Gasaraki
Can I watch this without Dougram or Votoms?
>>133075153
Valvrare was a story about a Suzaku with vampire powers and a Lelouch with Suzaku powers.
>>133078457
>Gasaraki
Oh look at this pleb who probably hasn't even watched Neo Ranga.
>>133078517
It might help to be familiar with the insanity of Ryosuke Takahashi.
Or the climate of the 90's, particularly with the Gulf War and rice shortages for Japan.
But it is pretty standalone.
>>133078581
And it's borung as fuck because of that.
>>133078705
It's great.
>>133078105
>The most retarded thing in the show was not have L-Elf steal one of those Krishbaums
I honestly think they did that on purpose. They knew if L-Elf had a robot he'd annihilate everyone. Gotta nerf him somehow.
>>133072338
I heard there was rape in this, Was this a joke? Because I want to know so I can figure out what episode to skip to.
>>133076110
>>133080814
No it's not a joke. It's in episode 10. I don't know what you're expecting, though, it's not graphic at all.
>>133075153
Everything is a knockoff of Devilman.
>>133080814
Don't skip to it. Valvrape's not famous because it's hot, it's famous because it was such a ridiculous plot development.
>>133075764- Haruto burns himself, loses all his memories (he can't remember his name) and dies as an empty shell, except for his lingering feelings for L-Elf. He might not remember who he is, but their ga-bro love was so deep he recalled at last fucking minute to traumatize him and die in his arms tonight.
- L-Elf survives but loses Lieselotte and Haruto. The post-series material (and the hints in the forward dated future scenes) show us he funded a Galatic Empire where everyone can coexist together down the line. Immediate timeline has him as defacto leader of the Module and new country, ally to A-drei, who becomes a leader in Dorssia. He and Saki help to liberate Dorssia and Dorssia and the good Magius (not the Council 101) like Intigirl become allies to the Module under L-Elf, believing his dream. He forms the Golden Seven too (they are in Undertake, a magazine complimentary material).
- Shoko, consumed by grief of her betrayal and actions, eventually comes to term with Haruto's death, quits her useless Prime Minister role because L-Elf is their leader and replaces Haruto as Hito pilot. She has embraced Haruto's, Lieselotte's and L-Elf's beliefs in the end.
- Saki helps A-drei and L-Elf to clear up their MISUNDERSTANDINGS which proves crucial in the end. Promises to live her life the fullest to Haruto and seemly gets pretty friendly with A-drei (teases him as she used to tease Haruto). She becomes fiercely loyal to L-Elf's plans but tries to straighten his poor people skills (for context: L-Elf was one of the few who didn't ditch her when she was in trouble in season 2 and she learned a lot of his past thanks to A-drei), she teaches History to his descendant 200 years the line. She's a good friend with Akira.
- Other characters who got a happy ending: A-drei, Akira, Satomi, Drills (she marries Satomi), professor, Kriemhild, slut teacher, Iori (fuck her), Glasses dude, ARUS PREZ (for now), Pino, Prue.
>>133077034
They would have fucked up L-Elf if they made him a girl.
But I agree that was the most convincing love interest in the show.
>>133073214
Aldnoah was dumb, but tolerable during the first season. I liked it a lot for the first few episodes, and since I marathoned it that liking carried me over halfway through the series before I realized that this was actually a pretty disappointing series.
Then it ended, and the way it did made me think that the second season could fix the problems the first one had had, maybe with a new lead, or at the very least a new status quo.
Needless to say, I'm never giving two chances to a show again.
Kriemhild is the best girl and VVV might be better if she got more screen time.
>>133081810
Fake, does not explain Shoko getting to ressurrect Haruto with help of un-humanoid aliens at end of series.
The empire L-Elf and Saki built is not "coexistence one" either, but dominated by vampires.
>>133083330
What needed more screen time was Saki dryhumping Hayato.
It would have made for a very interesting relationship, but they didn't follow through after the initial act because muh morals.
>>133083446
>Hayato.
Haruto.
>>133083363
It's dominated by bratty human silverhaired princes that girls want to /ss/
>>133083446
They didn't follow it because Haruto was busy dryhumping L-Elf.
>>133079857
No it was shit.
