He doesn't actually give a shit about her.
You're wrong but okay.
>>124925644
There's no evidence at all that he's even the slightest bit invested.
>>124925663
Are you one of those faggots who prefer DRAMA?
He actually does
>>124925601
k good
>>124925601
The series claims he's in love with her, but it does feel like he's with her just because that's how it ended up rather than him actually enjoying being with her, I agree. Good luck getting /a/ to agree with you, though.
>>124925601
Are you one of them retard people?
>>124926081
If so, then why did he refuse Hanekawa's feelings when he found out about them?
Nothing about it feels like it's just how it turned out, especially given that he could be with a number of other girls.
Just because they're not fawning over each other all the time, it doesn't mean they don't care about each other.
Poor, poor OP.
>>124926081
It seems to me that he's only ever really interested in girls he can "save." Once Senjougahara is fine and dandy he loses interest and she becomes a tertiary character.
I can't wait to see how /a/ will react to the plot twist of Zoku Owarimonogatari
>>124925601
I bet he didn't even walk her home gently.
>>124926258
Just because their relationship develops offscreen doesn't mean he's not in love with her. Monogatari stopped focusing on their romance after Bake.
I was always under the impression that the relationship just goes on off-screen. Every time it's been brought up he never hesitates to say that he loves her, and it's not like he had no other options if he wanted another one of the girls.
It's like the line from Tatami Galaxy: "There's nothing more boring than a story about successful love." Or whatever it was.
>>124925601
very impressive thread man, but what makes you claim that RRRG doesnt care aboutbest girl?
>>124926383
wow nice meme. really hillarious and original there. keep em commin'!
>>124926338
What twist?
>>124926476
Crab wants to call Araragi daddy now.
>>124925601
Their love was successful, that's all.
>>124926183
That's why I said the series claims he's in love with her. I think it does a bad job of actually showing us their relationship.
>>124926638
this scene >>124926438 gives us quite a bit
Remember, it's not a dating sim.
>>124926638
He just doesn't constantly outwardly swoon for her like we're programmed to expect from most anime. And she doesn't for him. That doesn't mean they don't love each other genuinely and completely.
>>124926869
/thread
maybe people will realize that not all romance anime is bland as fuck
>>124926638
>>124926768
Their thing is more serious. It's an actual relationship. But Monogatari isn't about that. It's about a "ghost story" and fanservice.
For example, their kiss wasn't shown. Instead of that the "camera" just points to the starry sky. But all those irrelevant kisses with the lolis were.
>>124926638
The series doesn't focus on their relationship because they live an ordinary high school couple life, while what is shown are new and different interactions and conflicts. It makes a specific point not to show what happens in their ordinary livesexcept the beginning of Nise.
In the novels, it feels like he doesn't truly fall for her until the starry sky scene, so I'll give you that:
>Senjougahara Hitagi...she is incredibly smart and always plots the right course, but in area of love she is powerless. Absolutely powerless. Even on that Mother's Day when we first started going out, it was obvious, this woman is completely reckless, like the main character of an RPG that enters a cave without a torch. It's as if she is showing all her cards to her opponent and leaving it up to him to decide what happens next, but does she realize that she is basically engaging in diplomacy through intimidation? Emotions wouldn't matter in this case. Confronted with this, the opponent would run away ninety-nine times out of a hundred. That's why she's afraid. Even someone with absolutely no experience with relationships can see it....
>Well.
>If she can see that I'm the remaining one out a hundred, I have to tip my hat to her.
>This is bad.
>I've really fallen for her.
>So much so that I can't help it.
>>124927127
>In the novels, it feels like he doesn't truly fall for her until the starry sky scene, so I'll give you that:
It did feel that way in the anime too. At least to me it did.
>>124925601
He's waiting for her to molt, so that he can deep fry her and put her on a sandwich
Meh it's pretty simple.
He likes Hitagi. His ideal type of woman is Hanekawa.
The rest is just Churaragi being a pervert
>>124925663
>There's no evidence at all that he's even the slightest bit invested.
He refused Cat's advances, even though he was clearly physically attracted to her. You don't do this without a good reason.
Leaving the topic aside.
He was going to fuck Karen here wasn't he? or at least kiss her
>>124927410
>was
>>124927340
I agree with your conclusion but Cat isn't good evidence: he had already made up his mind about Cat by the end of Neko Kuro before he ever met Senjougahara.
>>124926258
Araragi loves crab precisely because she saved herself.
>>124927671
>I agree with your conclusion but Cat isn't good evidence: he had already made up his mind about Cat by the end of Neko Kuro before he ever met Senjougahara.
It is canon that he didn't realise she loved him at that point. This despite the fact that she kept hanging around him in school and everyone else assume they were dating. He was a dense protagonist. So that's why he didn't want to make any moves that would offend her.
>>124926081
>>124926638
I agree. Has he ever *initiated* a show of affection since getting together? Seems like it's always her making the moves on him. He's like a figurative dead fish in their relationship.
>>124927738
Nah it's more of a respect. He is only interested in girls that he thinks need him. He has a fucking messiah complex.
That's why it seems like he was in love with Snail when that black cloud was after her..
>>124927410
They probably did something offscreen.
He even said their "relationship improved after that afternoon"
>>124927870
He was always in love with snail.
>>124926183
>>124927340
He was already taken.It can't be helped.
OTOH, Shinobu had him first by that standard, but he didn't refuse Senjougahara, so that might not be why.
>>124928145
His relationship with bat is completely different than with crab. The whole point is him being unable to choose between the natural and supernatural.
Like all of nise was about this.
>>124928089
Nah, he likes her a lot though. Only one he loves is Crab.
Is araragi immortal? or has a larger lifespan?
Well at any rate clearly my expectations are not right for this show. I don't expect to watch Nise.
>>124928268
Thanks for sharing.
>>124928244
500 years or so. you would know this if you watched the show
>>124928268
>dropping it before nise
>>124928268
Wait, which posts are you? What were you expecting that you aren't getting that makes you drop it? I'm confused.
>>124928268
It's still going strong during Nise.
It starts to feel like it's dropping off with Monogatari Second Season
>>124927340
He pretty much considers her a goddess.
>>124928336
I'm OP. I'm more interested in RagiTagi's relationship than anything else so I don't think this is my kind of series.
>>124928294
I'm on Nise, I asked because Shinobu says everyone will die and he will stay with her.
And the reason I asked it's pretty obvious, if he is in fact immortal or has a larger lifespan then she'll be the only one to"win".
>>124928432
This goes beyond the scope of the story.
Stop talking about it as it is irrelevant.
All it does is get batfags and crabfags riled up at each other.
>>124927763
Read / watch Neko Kuro again. He doesn't realize she likes him, but he legitimately thinks he likes her at the beginning of the book. When he learns about her family situation and sees her rampaging around as Black Hanekawa he becomes deeply disillusioned. It's more about his feelings than about her's.
>>124928338
No. Second Season is fine. Specially Koi. And it's overall pretty good, although it starts weakly (no Araragi as narrator nor present at all kind of kills it).
But every release outside Bake, Nise and Second Season proper has been subpar. Neko Kuro, Hana and Tsuki are what's to blame.
>>124928502
Am I supposed to care about some pointless talk about waifus? Just had a doubt and I got my answer, thanks by the way
>>124928432
Anon, just because you're waifu dies doesn't mean the other girl wins.
>>124928399
The series is always about conflict and growing, so it doesn't focus on peaceful and steady relationships. So it probably isn't for you, unlessyou're willing to wait until the second-to-last book where they'll throw you a bone.
>>124928550
>implying neko shiro is not one of the best arcs
faggot
Japanese are human robots and do not feel or display affection in ways recognizable to their carbonic Western analogs.
>>124925601
>Self inserting so hard that you have to convince yourself the MC loves your favorite girl instead of his committed girlfriend
shiggidy
>>124928432
Isn't Tsukihi supposed to be immortal too?
>>124928550
Neko Shiro and Hana are brilliant though.
>>124928623
good luck waiting until 2018
>>124928717
She'll still grow old and die, she just can't be killed.
>>124928550
I disagree about Neko Kuro and Tsuki. They were great. Hana was the only one I even considered dropping. Easily the worst Monogatari arc to date. The only subpar one in my opinion.
>>124928502
>All it does is get batfags and crabfags riled up at each other.
I'm ready for another round. My side is obvious.
>>124928550
I half agree except that NekoShiro, Kabuki and Oni were plain bad too (especially considering how rushed was Kabuki).
>>124928717
From physical damage, and to a degree. What's her face sure thought she could be killed. She'll still die from aging though.
>>124928721
Tsuki was pretty good. I've never seen a cat arc that hasn't left me bored though.
>>124928717
No, she can age. The cuckoo kai will just leave and find another vessel
>>124928717
I think it's said she DOES have a larger lifespan, but she'll die eventually of old age. She can't be killed by other means that that tho.
Wait i'll make a webm
>>124928818
Oni and Kabuki especially were shit but neko shiro was great.
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>124925663
He literally told Cat that he couldn't return her feelings, because he already loved Crab in a romantic fashion.
So literally getting told something, is still not enough evidence to you? Well you must have the best relationship ever then.
>>124928888
Why was Neko white so good for you?
>>124928871
Nah I didn't remember it well, I thought it said she will outlive her lifespan but I think It means the aberration.
I'm not sure tho, could be any of the 2
The story with adult snail and kiss shot was the best for me. First time ive felt that hard while watching anime
>>124928920
It had great character development for both cat crab and araragi, it finally wrapped up cat's arc and the ending was great and cathartic.
>>124929020
Felt what, that you're an idiot?
Surely there must have been other times.
Shit, I can't argue like this. Can someone tell me what is what:
gataris: oni, kabuki
content: time travel + zombies, loli kisses
otori is medusa, koi is kaiki and neko shiro is the first one. Did I miss something?
Well, anyway, time travel + zombies and loli kisses were very good and neko shiro was shit.
>>124928888
quads confirm
>>124928920
Not that anon, but Black Hanekawa gets lots of screentime as a protagonist, Crab gets lots of screentime with a slightly new personality, the mechanics of Hanekawa's psyche are interesting and unique, Araragi has a badass scene, and we get this extremely well-made sequence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxCtw62KRwc
>>124929113Neko Shiro is Tsubasa Tiger, Cat deals with her shit
Kabuki is Mayoi Jiangshi, RRRG and Bat go through time with zombies and grown up Snail
Otori is Nadeko Medusa, Snake goes full retard
Oni is Shinobu Time, Bat's past is explored and Snail
Koi is Hitagi Time, BEST GIRL KAIKI deals with Nadeko being full retard.
>>124929113
>complete pleb taste
sasuga /a/
>>124929119
cat's letter was one of the best sequences in the series
>>124929221Thanks.
>>124929221Snail goes poof*Hitagi End*
>>124929247
Neko Shiro is shit. It's boring Hanekawa shit all over again.
The time travel thing was interesting and Oni is legit God-tier.
>>124929113
>>124929221
Chart.
>>124925601
Why should he?
They never had sex.
>>124929445
You are gentle guy.
>>124929364
>bat monologing about her back story for half of it
>god-tier
nope, you're just a faggot with shit taste
kabuki was also a complete waste of time
>>124929478
>bat monologing about her back story for half of it
Nothing wrong with that.
>>124929247
But neko is shitto people who don't like cat.
>>124929478
>this guy
Every thread
>>124929364
>Boring Hanekawa shit
It has Black Hanekawa, Shinobu, Gaen, Episode, Crab, heroic RRRG, Mamaragi, Fire Sisters, and shit burning down though.
I feel like people just went in with the mindset that since Hanekawa was the MC then it must be boring.
>>124929515
>neko shiro boring
>exposition backstory slideshow interesting
I don't follow.
>>124929540
I'm not the only one who thinks so
>>124929515
it's boring as fuck though. bat telling how lazy of a shit she was, sitting in her princess castle and pretending to be a god. she deserved what she got in the end.
>>124925601
I bet you read the books and are posting this with an educated opinion.
>>124929604
Crab > perfection > Kiss-shot > Shinobu > shit > Cat.
>>124929786
>liking selfish bitches
>>124929786
>having this much wrong and shit taste all at once
'k fags.
His platonic is Cat, he likes Crab. I don't even know why people is arguing about this since the series makes it so fucking clear
>>124929786
>putting snake before cat
the nail in your shit taste coffin
>>124929854
You're the one who likes Cat, not him.
God Monogatari threads are fucking cancer, I wish waifufags would just get killed by some bomb.
Remember when people ask for examples of cancerous fanbases you say Narutu, One Piece and fucking Monogatari
>>124929956
You're a complete retard. Crab and Bat are the selfish bitches. Also I'm a Snailfag.
>>124930073
>Narutu, One Piece and fucking Monogatari
Type Moonfags are worse than Monogatari waifufags will ever be
>>124929786
>making the distinction with Shinobu and Kiss-shot yet not doing the same for Hanekawa's sexier and more interesting alter-ego
What's your problem? Black Hanekawa is top three best girl material. That's undeniable.
stupid stupid gaybos best girl is snake followed by white hanekawa followed by Kagenui
>>124929786
Middle school age Shinobu >>>>>>>> loli Shinobu > Kiss Shot
>>124926183
When you think of how he acts for the rest of the series it seems as if he doesn't really love her that much.
>>124930130
I finished F/SN and F/Z last week and jesus I have to agree.
>>124930074
>Crab
>selfish
was willing to prostitute herself for Araragi
>>124930225
snake is only best shit
>>124930073
Yahari and Eva are even more cancerous so fuck off
>>124930073
Relax autismo.
>>124930074
Bat's kinda selfish, but crab? Where are you getting that one?
>>124930139
She's the more outwardly cunty and slutty version of cat. Not much of an improvement, but at least she's not so boring. Better than normal cat for sure though.
>>124930276
>I finished a show and hated it's fanbase afterwards
What?
>>124930399
I could see that happening.
>>124930130
That's.. actually true but at the same time is not. I didn't count them because at least there are a couple of lonely faggots trying to talk about the story in T-M threads, Monogatari ones topic are just
>Monkey>Shit> everything
People hating on characters because "muh waifu"
Aside from that I agree with the type moon thing.
>>124930320
>Yahari threads
First time a fanbase has ever made me drop a show.
>>124930073
Waifuwars are love, waifuwars are life, gigantic faggot.
>>124930399
>a lot of people say this show is great
>give it a try
>it's shit
>fuck you guys
>>124930444
There are good monogatari threads once in a blue moon, and at least one good discussion per thread amongst the sea of waifufaggotry.
Point is, there are no new monogataris out lately so the only people who feel like posting anything are the waifufags.
>>124925601
>gets a girlfriend
>proceeds to molest, kiss, and get erotic with practically every girl other than his actual girlfriend
Yeah, Araragi just doesn't give a fuck. He's a manwhore.
>>124930519
That sounded retarded.
>>124930476
Sure if it wasn't the same shit over and over and over again and if there was someone with an actual argument.
>>124930552
But he's gone further with his girlfriend than anyone else
>>124930593
Sure, he improved his relationship with his sister
>>124930399
I liked them both.
Then I got in the threads and it's just constant shitposting between F/SN and F/Z,
It's awful.
>>124930619
Do people actually think he fucked his sister? Are people this unable to recognize the tone of a given scene?
>>124930579
argument about what? why snake's a shit?
It's in every thread
>>124930552
you want him to molest his gf on screen? that would lead to actual pornography
>>124930649
You'd be surprised.
>>124930593
Doesn't justify anything.
>>124930695
Nothing needs justification.
>>124930695
Crab has an NTR fetish. She gets off when Araragi is constantly on the edge of cheating but chooses her in the end.
>>124930737
Autism.
>>124930649
>Nii-chan we still have some time until tsukihi-chan comes back, we can go on extra innings
They couldn't control themselves the first time what makes you think they could the second or third?
>>124930829
I'll have to post this for the hundredth time. Summary of a short story called Karen Arm-Leg:
>Karen is throwing a huge tantrum in the living room. She is lying on the floor and swinging her arms and legs violently. Because she has long arms and legs, she is destroying everything in the living room. Ararargi has just told her that he has a girlfriend, and Karen refuses to believe this fact. She claims that Araragi is hers alone and demands him to break up with Senjougahara immediately. She even offers to have sex with him if that's what he wants. Araragi is horrified at her completely unexpected reaction. Karen is also furious that when Araragi brushed her teeth, he already had a girlfriend. Finally, she demands to meet Senjougahara, and she claims she will brush Senjougahara's teeth in order to prove that Araragi is hers alone.
Remember how after the toothbrush episode there's no sexual tension between them when RRRG is riding on her shoulders?
>>124928788
>>>>>>>>not liking Hana
Seriously? In my opinion it is one of the very best.
>>124931074
Hana is much better on a second viewing.
First time through it's kinda meh.
>>124925601
Honestly, I'm watching it, and I think this show is worse than Naruto. At least Naruto doesn't pretend to not be shounenshit.
Both are mostly crap with a few good moments thrown in. The difference is that *monogatari would be unwatchable without the art and fanservice.
>>124931074
The only part of Hana I enjoyed was meat.
>>124931154
>monogatari would be unwatchable without the art and fanservice.
No shit. Why do you think it sold so well?
Anyone who says they like it for the 'deep story' and 'character interactions' are just kidding themselves.
>>124926869
>He just doesn't constantly outwardly swoon for her like we're programmed to expect from most anime
Like he does constantly for every other girl?
>>124931074
>>124931126
This. It can be hard to slog through the devil monologues the first time but it all fits together really elegantly on a second viewing.
>>124931212
if I wanted to just watch ass and tits bounce I would watch porn.
![[Coalgirls]_Nisemonogatari_08_(1920x1080_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[3ACAEA65].png](https://i.imgur.com/iwOxSGJ.png "[Coalgirls]_Nisemonogatari_08_(1920x1080_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[3ACAEA65].png")
>>124927410
At the least they kissed
>>124931261
Except as soon as it gets serious he backs out faster than an Italian armored column.
>>124931154
>*monogatari would be unwatchable without the art and fanservice
And? A SHAFT show being style-reliant, what a shocker.
I mean, >>124931212 , I would say I like the characters, but obviously the style/presentation is the main draw (the fanservice is good, too, but it's not like I don't have a couple hundred other shows to watch for my cute grills).
>>124931154
That's the first time I found a loli to be hot
>>124931370
>that height difference
He's such a manlet
>>124931445
165
She's fairly tall for a 15 year old anyway, and a giant for a japanese 15 year old.
I still want to tap dat ass
>>124931534
I've been 178 since like 14. I know I'm a manlet for 4chan's standards.
>>124931687
You haven't grown since 14? da fuck anon? why didn't you drink milk
I'm 1 83 and 19 so i'm pretty sure I won't grow anymore, luckily.
![[Coalgirls]_Nekomonogatari_01_(1280x720_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[20FA64C4].mkv_snapshot_22.23_[2015.05.02_21.07.05].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eMhLz8p.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Nekomonogatari_01_(1280x720_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[20FA64C4].mkv_snapshot_22.23_[2015.05.02_21.07.05].jpg")
>>124931154
I really wish there wasn't any fanservice so I could show it to other people
>>124931154
>this show is worse than Naruto
Anon trying to bait this hard. You did it faggot
