>Hercules
>strength not EX
>luck not A
Explain this bullshit.
>>124607101
Game balance.
>>124607101
Because EX isn't an actual rank for stats.
It maxes out at A+++. EX is reserved for those with abilities that cannot be measured. Abilities that are so broken they can single handedly win the entire war in one night.
>>124607101
ex only makes sense on phantasms
>>124607714
>can single handedly win the entire war in one night
>Rekt by a cuckold queen
>Rekt by a ginger
>ULTRAREKT by some black goo
Gilfags pls
>>124607714
Hercules held the world up for a day. I'd say that should qualify for EX. At minimum his strength should be at A+++. It's fucking stupid there are other servants with the same strength stat as him.
>Herculesfags
Disgusting.
>>124607714
Except one could argue Hercules would perhaps have that level of strength especially considering the Berserker buffs.
>>124607772
shiki is a fag
why is hercules berserker class anyways
>>124607101
A is the maximum, but there are high As, and low As.
Berserker would be a high A.
>>124607798
Because he would shit on anyone if he wasn't so Nasu nerf him
Everyone knows the only stats that matter is luck
>Hercules was renowned for his luck
>King Arthur never was
>Herc has B luck and Arthuria A
What the fuck did they even read any source materials.
>>124607772
I like how Hercules is cut up in this picture but I absolutely fucking hate how his arm, hand and knife are all held and drawn together.
>>124607824
>Everyone knows the only stats that matter is noble phantasm
>tfw no fusion to combine Herc and Spartacus
>Godhand + EX rank Endurance + Explodes everytime he dies
Servants are weaker than when they were alive.
Even though Ilya is great, the copies put into servant containers will never be better than the original.
Also factor in setting bonus. Hercules has no bonus in Japan.
>>124607798
Count all the damn times in the myth Hercules goes mad and slaughters a lot of people. It's one of the things he's known form.
>>124607848
Classes restrict a servants stats to a certain mould. Berserkers get their luck lowered, Sabers have no restriction on it.
And luck in the Nasuverse ain't the same as the regular definition, it lets you do shit like ignore causality and tank magical spells in some cases.
>>124607714
>Implying Herc's strength isn't EX worthy by tha definition
He could definitely end whole wars just by punching really hard
>arguing accuracy regarding greek myth on a stupid eroge
itt: people don't understand the difference between anti personnel and anti army
>>124607790
His strength is so renowned that it should be one of his NPs. If the stat is capped at A+++, the grail should've realized that is not enough and made a passive NP ála god hand that boost it enough that he could hold the world in Apollo's stead for a day.
>Strongest servant
>gets beaten by an autistic ginger kid
kek.
Consider the complete materials confirm that Herc, Medea, and Medusa never actually existed even in the Nasuverse does it really matter that the grail made inaccurate copies of them based on the myths fir balance purposes
>>124607944
>implying you should take anything other then Anti-fortress.
>>124607762
Well I think stats between classes are vastly different. A berserker has base C strength, Saber has base A strength. So while a berserker may have equal or lower strength stat than a saber, it's actually higher 'cause it takes more for them to qualify for a higher rank.
>>124608014
Isn't that just a convenient excuse they use so that Gil can't randomly pull out the rule breaker since it doesn't exist?
Nips are hostile to strong men because their entire race are built like bitches.
>>124608069
He asspulled a ufo in zero, do those exist?
>>124608018
>implying anything matters other than anti-erectile dysfunction
>>124608054
>berserker gets hueg stat boosts
>actually has really low base stats
I never got this. You actually fuck up your servants stats by choosing berserker. Why is everything but archer and saber so shit?
>>124608099
Well Nasu decides what does and doesn't in this world apparently, so... Yes?
>>124608069
Well, yeah, but it also nicely provides an easy cop out on stuff like their stats and how inaccurate they are to the original legends.
>>124608099
Yes. We just have misintepreted mayan drawings and their castles are based on ufos.
>>124608120
You mean other then the fact they're the main characters?
>>124608120
Archer, Lancer and Saber have high stats because game is rigged to favor the three families.
>>124608120
If I recall correctly wasn't the dumb system rigged this way by the desingers to begin with
>>124608123
Can he decide to make Gil actually win once?
>>124608099
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimana
Yes, actually. At least in myth.
>>124608167
>What is CCC
>>124608167
How do you know Gil hasn't already won? Gil is a being far beyond a mongrel's comprehension. Clearly everything that happens goes according to his Keikaku. Even in Prisma Illya!
>>124608153
Has any Lancer ever managed to do anything? At all? Even just cooking a meal or something?
>>124608167
He does in CCC.
Straight up beats the fuck out of a few dozen gods combined into a single vessel along with an assload of servants, then teleports with you to the other side of the galaxy to explore the stars since you're both sick of the bullshit back home.
>>124608218
Nobody has managed to Summon Odin, so I presume that's a no.
>>124608218
He manages to get more screen time that Gil
>>124608218
Cu manages to be the biggest bro in the franchise.
>>124608196
>>124608230
I meant in something actually relevant.
Sup gilfags. How do you feel knowing I fucked your fav servant while in this shitty class? Just imagine what I would've done as a Saber. It's too bad he didn't release another GoB volley in our first encounter so I could've arondight beamspam'd him to death. Even fucked his ass with a mere F16 when he had motherfucking a flying mayan deathgodmachine, too bad I saw Saber's juicy thigs and got distracted there.
>>124608218
Nasu said Diarmuid could beat everyone in zero if he scummed it out.
>>124608280
Nigga, CCC is Nasu's magnum opus.
>>124608239
In Japan wouldn't Odin do better as a Saber?Since you know Squnix
>>124608155
>>124608153
Then why did this motherfucker not say anything about choosing Berserker?
>>124608280
CCC is the culmination of everything the Fate series is about. Nasu wrote it to cap off the themes and morals of the series so he could feel satisfied handing it over to others for actually irrelevant shit like Grand Order.
>>124608288
What does "scummed it out" mean exactly? Source?
>>124607798
because after Kerry cheated on them the einzberns wanted a mindless loyal servant.
>>124608317
Because he is useless.
FUCK SWORDS LET'S STEAL A FUCKING JET.
>>124607854
Tell that to lancer, every fucking lancer.
>>124608317
They're desperate and hoped to win through raw force, using a servant too insane to betray them.
Also Berserker is arguably the strongest of the non-knight classes, the biggest drawback is the mana costs but Illya has no trouble with that.
>>124608317
The Eizberns wanted to summon someone as berserker so they could control him better
Despite being in the war that long they're pretty fucking stupid
>>124608365
But in Fate/Zero Zouken also specifically wanted the Berserker class when the Saber class was still presumably open. Assuming he wasn't just trying to assfuck Kariya, that would mean that a Berserker should be stronger than Saber if you have the prana available. This shit just makes no sense.
>>124608284
>too bad I saw Saber's juicy thigs and got distracted there
While you only managed to dream of her juicy thighs an autistic teenager ginger fucked your Saber. What does that tell you about how well you did in the war?
>>124607963
Yeah, being gilfag is suffering.And I'm one of those
>>124608359
If he'd played like a bitch and just spammed sonic booms from the corner he'd win.
>>124608359
If Archibald swallowed his pride and he and Lancer fought dishonourably they could theoretically win.
They'd need to engage in constant hit and run tactics where they attack servants and masters solely to deal one wound with his cursed spear before retreating immediately, slowly wearing the other servants down with unhealable injuries, but if by some miracle they didn't get picked off or ambushed they could have won by following this method.
>>124607875
No. If you have a powerful Master like Rin, you will be as strong as you were when you were alive.
The only limitation you have left is which NP you end up bringing with you in a Grail War.
>>124608337
It better be about how the holy grail is a scam and that you shouldn't believe what old men in churches tell you.
>>124608420
>a Berserker should be stronger than Saber
obviously, wasnt this explicitly stated in the vn
>>124607101
But Hercules canonically had shit luck.
>>124608317
Same reason Matou chose Berserker for zero.
Berserker is the go to class for useless magus, because all they have to do is stand around and not die, the stat boosts can generally make up for master combat ability in terms of raw power.
But of course, that's a terrible idea. Because there's a lot more options for a weaker servant that has a good master than a strong servant with a useless master.
>>124608410
they're pretty much stupid assholes
>>124608218
Lancer works at a cafe sometimes.
>>124608470
No he didn't? Just look at those fucking muscle insertions, nigger drew the jackpot.
>>124607951
> he could hold the world in Apollo's stead for a day.
>Apollo
>>124608432
WOOO-OO-OOOO!!!
>>124608420
>Assuming he wasn't just trying to assfuck Kariya
But he was.
Besides, a good Berserker is probably going to be more POWERFUL than a good Saber, but between the insanity and the mana cost Berserker has a far worse chance of winning than Saber.
>>124607714
Except pluses and minuses aren't ranks, they're qualifiers. A + means approximately double the letter, but only applies in certain situations.
>>124608483
So he can hold down a job. It seems I've gravely underestimated the Lancer class.
>>124608420
Wasn't Saber summoned by then? Assuming she wasn't, what I got out of the scene was that Zouken knew that Kariya was a shit master and that even with Saber it would be a shit team. At least with Berserker and worm power they can level the playing field somewhat. Zouken also didn't seem all that interested in winning the war in Zero. He seemed more interested in grooming Sakura to win the next one from the looks of it.
Stats are retarded and should not be taken seriously outside of instances where nasu arbitrarily decides to bring them up.
Gill is fucked.
>>124608546
They are good when your HGW isn't pants on retarded like 5th or Apocrypha, well save for team black hero selection.
>>124608454
Not really, no.
Its all about innocent monsters, the nature of man and his relationship with god, the strength of love's effect on people, alternate dimensions, the decline of mankind through the ages, and what exactly constitutes heroism.
>>124608513
Lord el-melon, if only yo could hold down your wife.
>>124608546
Its about plot armor and hax NPs.
>>124608622
>Lord el-melon, if only yo could hold down your wife.
He doesn't need to. He's got others to do it for him, she's not going anywhere.
>>124608572
Not particularly more than he tends to be when he's in King of Carelessness mode.
Barzakaaa is shit.
>>124608533
If I remember correctly, Saber, Archer, Rider, and Berserker were all summoned at roughly the same time. So when Zouken and Kariya were preparing to summon a Servant, the Saber class was still open.
>>124608672
bersercar is a crutch.
>>124608618
What the hell could japs know about god?
>>124608598
The 5th isn't much more retarded than the 4th. When you're in a war with Gilgamesh, Saber and Lancelot, you'll need a lot of luck and much more than stats.
>>124608710
I meant gods, not god - my bad. Its just a bunch of stuff expanding on the Age of the Gods in the Nasuverse and their general relationship with mankind.
>>124607714
>Abilities that are so broken they can single handedly win the entire war in one night.
That's not true at all. EX usually just means unquantifiable by the standards used to measure things. It doesn't always mean overpowered or stronger, that's just Ea. It's like having a measurement for how sharp a sword is, but the thing you're measuring is an interdimensional space whale.
>>124608750
Everyone knows that not using a catalysis is better, you end with a bro or waifu tier servant.
>>124607772
>pssh...nothin personnel...kid...
>>124607772
>>124608860
Just a shiki ego wanking doujin.
