I still have no idea why they went with UBW, since it's the route with the least relation to Zero.
Stop exporting posts from /jp/.
UBW is objectively the best route. That's why.
>>124394628
UBW is the route which contradicts Zero the least.
>>124394628
Maybe they wanted to show Shirou doing stuff and becoming like his father.
>>124394628
Because Zero left off with Kiritsugu passing on his ideals to Shirou and UBW has to do with him growing up faster than Kerry did and without having to kill hundreds and thousands of fucking people.
>>124394628
They are doing both UBW and HF, and will probably throw their budget and seriousness with HF.
notto disu shitto again.
>>124394628
The whole goal was to remake DEEN's fuck-up right? Zero was just a test run of sorts.
Precisely because it's the route less spoiled by Zero. Zero completely spoils the Fate's route biggest twists (Gil's existence, Saber's NP and identity) and it also spoils one of the biggest twists of HF (The Matou household being rotten, Zouken's existence and true personality, wormrape, Sakura and Rin being sisters)
>>124394628
because Fate is to boring and HF is to gore for TV
>>124395886
Well he is a counter guardian. He could have been part of many wars where he killed thousands.
I wonder if there's anyone at ufo who doesn't like Fate. That person must be stewing inside knowing that's all they'll be working on forever.
>>124398466
They obviously aren't trying that hard with UBW.
>>124394628
UBW is easily the worst route, Archer backstory is bullshit, Kotomine has no purpose, Shirou is gigantic faggot and had an absurd plot armor, literally pulls power of nowhere.
The only good thing is Rin, Lancer and Illya only is you know how she is if you see the Fate route.
Because Archer is the top in male characters.
>>124395769
So Heaven's Feel? You aren't making much sense anon. Kerry always WANTED to be a hero, sure, but all he ever DID was sacrifice people and be a douche bag that faltered at the last hurdle. Kerry is most like HF Shiro and least like UBW Shiro.
>>124398371
>Well he is a counter guardian. He could have been part of many wars where he killed thousands.
You have no idea what you are talking about, please read the novel.
>>124401470
This guy is right, these threads have been populated by Zero babies that just want to repeat Archer memes. Gay for archer days passed you by and now you want to revive memes that you were never even there for.
Fate and Heavens Feel are the best and most lore heavy.
>>124401470
>Archer backstory is bullshit
Explain.
>Kotomine has no purpose
So?
>Shirou is gigantic faggot and had an absurd plot armor, literally pulls power of nowhere
Explained through the time mechanics. And in what way was he bad? He's arguably at his best in UBW.
UBW is a great route that cuts the fat of Fate, and actually does something with the characters from the original route. The only character who was deeper than a puddle in Fate was Saber, meanwhile you get insight into Shirou, Archer, Rin, Lancer, Medea, Gil, and plenty of others. Hell, Ilya, despite being a ridiculously minor character in UBW, gets more depths here than in Fate.
>>124404899
confirmed for never reading the novel.
>>124407062
Nice fucking bump, dude. You gonna actually make an argument?
>>124394628
It's the least shitty route.
>>124407086
Yea, people who have never read the novel should not even be discussing what route is good or bad. Seriously fuck off. If you are judging how deep the characters are or how good a route is based on the DEEN anime then there is something wrong with your brain.
You can't have HF without UBW.
Besides the basics Rule Breaker is introduced in UBW. This is extremely important as it is only vaguely touched on in HF. Ufotable has to show the significance of it.
Ignoring everything else significant Ufotable had to do UBW first.
>>124407482
Finally someone with some sense.
>>124407520
I realized this the moment Ufotable showed the PV for UBW during the announcement stream.
UBW had to be done.
>>124407365
I've read the novel, man, and the Fate route only really spends time developing Saber. Practically all of the rest are cutouts.
Shirou obviously isn't nearly as developed as in the subsequent routes; you don't see people bringing up debates over his ideals in the Fate route, do you? It's because they're not particularly elaborated upon. Likewise Archer essentially serves as being a "cool guy" who jobs. Your perception of him completely turns in UBW. Gil is a nothing character who only wants a waifu, who, of course is Saber. Meanwhile in UBW you find out his larger goals and aspirations. Ilya in Fate is pretty bad too; a psychopath loli who literally gets away with murder, but then becomes a sweet little girl by the end. You learn more about her in a few brief scenes in UBW, and of course greatly in HF.
Fate is an establishing route, and it greatly suffers from it.
>>124404095
...Except no? The whole point of UBW is that Shirou is doing the exact same thing that Archer did, and Archer ended up having to kill people to save others, which is exactly what Kiritsugu did.
Heaven's Feel Shirou is the complete antithesis of Kiritsugu's ideal, because he abandons the many to save the few.
>>124394628
It's also the worst route too with shittiest heroine.
>>124407604
Jesus dude, no. Shirou wants to save everyone, and he'll always try. Kiritsugu murdered the few to save the many no matter what.
>>124407640
Rude.
>>124394628
because fate route is boring. We are getting HF movie as well.
Who are you kidding, theyll probably end up making the first route as well
>>124407604
Please fuck off, you have no idea what you are talking about. Fucking secondaries man, I love the series but the fanbase is cancer.
>People ignoring the significance Rule Breaker being shown in UBW.
Fate was skipped because it was world building and F/Z did it for Ufotable.
HF needs elements of UBW to be shown to be appreciated. Anyone that does not realize this is a dense motherfucker, even worse than DEEN Shirou.
Arguments over routes are absolutely retarded. There's a reason you were forced to read them in a linear order: they're three separate stories, yes, but one complete narrative. You can't have UBW without Fate, and you can't have HF without UBW. Which is why even this adaptation - as good as it is - is unfortunately still inferior to the VN as there is no proper adaptation of Fate.
>>124407725
Almost everything you needed to know from Fate got explained in Zero.
Like, the only missing things are a conclusion to Saber's story, and an explanation for Shirou's projection magic.
Heavens feel is getting a movie, and while i think its the best sequel to Zero its the best thing for it.
The pacing was a little slow for the VN, and having it condensed into a movie would get to all the important scenes quicker.
Besides all the good stuff is at the very end anyways.
>>124407683
Superior Heroine coming through.
>>124407547
I also Imagine the reason Fate route was not done was to distance themselves as much as possible from the DEEN version, but that is just a theory. Also like that other anon said, fate is spoiled by zero because of the George Lucas pull.
>>124407725
Finally people with sense, this whole UBW is the best augment so it was done first shit has got to stop.
I personally think Heaven Feel is the best because it expands the most into nasu lore and kinda binds fate in with tsukihime using Zelretch, one of the most bad ass mother fuckers of all time. Not some shitty reason like waifu wars.
ala
>>124407879
>>124407640
>>124407683
>>124407766
Zero is a poor substitute for Fate as it spoils several of the plot points that gave HF its significance as a final route.
Many character interactions in UBW and HF also hinge on Shirou's relationship with said characters that was established in Fate - particularly Saber, Ilya, and Kotomine.
>>124407766
With the anime only stuff being included, I wouldn't be surprised if they add both those. Continuation of the Dream would feel a bit out of place, but they could get it to work.
>>124397322
>>124407482
/thread
>>124408013
I agree, I pity the secondaries that will never know the joys of finding out the horrors that Sakura went though only after waifuing her and thinking her perfection incarnate.
>>124408026
Nasu said in the BD booklet that Saber isn't going to be focused on in this adaptation but c'mon now. I'd be more surprised if she didn't get a backstory episode than if she did.
>>124408013
HF is arguable, but I don't think UBW suffers from much so far. Ilya got introduced in Zero, and while a relationship between her and Shirou wasn't established, you still know her as Kerry's daughter and someone he would have wanted to protect; Kirei of course got plenty in Zero, so much so that people might actually expect more out of him in UBW.
>>124408081
>Waifuing Sakura at all
>>124408156
>Waifuing any of the 3 shit heroines
>>124408156
No one that read the novels without spoilers thought Sakura was shit.
Also, secondary spotted.
>>124408142
I won't disagree that Fate is boring as shit in the long run, but Zero shouldn't even factor into the equation here as it's not part of the original work and was meant to be read after it.
All this route augments and people getting basic shit wrong with only 2-3 people knowing that the fuck they are talking about.
Read the file name.
>>124408156
Sakura is the only good heroine.
>>124408358
Since the UBW anime is making direct connections to Zero, I think it does have to factor in to a degree. I mean look at that flashback from last week's episode. It would be nonsense unless you watched Zero.
>>124408263
Sorry, not everybody finds shitty "my senpai!" characters cute
I didn't like Sakura the second she was introduced
>>124396074
>>124408391
How can she be the only good one when Rin is great too?
>>124408135
It wouldn't surprise me, either. Though I'm guessing GoA filled that in. I have a feeling Saber will get some type of conclusion, especially with True End.Unless they go full retard and do Good End Saber as third wheel to Rin and Shirou's Adventures in London.
>>124408401
I'm pretty sure the average viewer would be able to connect the dots that Kiritsugu is Illya's father or at least someone similar.
>>124408358
Really? I think Fate is really good, It had some of the best fights and lines. I think it's version of Shiro was the worst and hated the whole "I want to date saber!" aspect, but other than that it was good. No one would have finished the novel if Fate was a weak route. We really need to think of fate as a cohesive work and not as 3 individual stories.
>>124408423
Don't blame me for your shit taste anon.
>>124408496
Maybe that, but Iri showing up, the stuff with the homunculi, the vast majority of it would be a pretty big head scratcher for newbies.
>>124407683
>>124408457
>Starting waifuwars
Why are Rinfags so cancerous?
>>124408566
And that's fine since those types of questions get answered in Heaven's Feel. Nothing wrong with a little mystery.
>>124408401
But my point is that Zero cannot function as a substitute for Fate regardless of how ufotable chose to adapt it. Just off the top of my head, and pulling from some of the other posts in this thread, Zero spoils:
-Saber's identity/her connection to Kiritsugu
-Kotomine's participation in the previous war/his conflict with Kiritsugu
-Ilya's connection to Shirou
-Gilgamesh's existence
-Rin/Sakura
-Zouken's penis worms
-The nature of the Grail
And I'm sure the list goes on. The pacing of Stay Night depends upon the reader not knowing the majority of these. Fate is the only proper introduction.
>>124408614
Because they are mainly secondaries.
>>124408644
There's nothing wrong with F/Z replacing Fate as a introduction either.
>>124408644
The way it was handled it was meant to be viewed from Zero to UBW, though.
>>124408656
Honestly, the Zero anime was a mistake. They should have done Fate then UBW then HF, then Zero. No one anticipated Zero to be a big as it was.
Because anal with Rin will sell more disks
>>124404095
Wrong, HF is him doing things the opposite of Kerry. Just because both Zero and HF have the same tone doesn't mean they've the same message.
>>124408758
Except that happens in HF (Even though it's really Rider)
>>124408656
All that spoils is HF. It doesn't take away from UBW.
>>124408656
The fact that Zero has those spoilers is exactly why UBW was done first. Notice how nothing from UBW got covered there?
You have to look at things from their perspective after having made the Zero anime. Why should they adapt Fate? What is its purpose? It introduces you to Saber, the grail war system, Gil, Kirei, and all that stuff. Because of the way they chose to approach things, Fate would have required massive tweaking to be anything other than a retread of Zero's content.
>>124408858
For fuck's sake, F/SN is a linear narrative. Sure, you can pull UBW out from the middle of it and Frankenstein it together with F/Z, but it ends up having no meaning past the flashy fight scenes.
>>124408735
It wasn't a mistake, it's success brought in the current adaptations we are getting.
>>124408939
Stop being so obtuse it's been fine so far.
>>124408939
I can only think of one major loss of not having the Fate route animated, and that's Shirou's projection stuff not really being covered.
>>124394628
>with the least relation to Zero.
I am so ashamed of this statement as a person who enjoyed fate zero. The fate series come first.
It doesn't need to have relation to zero.
>>124409016
UBW covers that better though. It's the route where he masters it and learns all about it.
>>124394628
Stop treating this as a sequel to zero.
>>124409193
Yeah, but it leads to a minor problem where it looks like he first did it during his fight with Kuzuki, when he's actually been doing it for a while.
>>124408872
I do not care what ufotable does. I don't care how they do the adaptation; it's not my problem if a bunch of secondaries experience the story out of order.
The only thing I am saying is that you can't replace the Fate route with F/Z and still have a properly-paced work. You can't rearrange the three routes in F/SN, and you can't remove any of them, because they all build on each other very deliberately both in terms of world-building and in theme.
>>124396074
Even if you posted the exact same bait on this board for three years straight, someone will always just right onto the hook without fail.
It's the reason you'll always see the exact same shit again and again without fail every thread.
Fate threads are easy in terms of feeding trolls, people will always go along with it in just the right way like "Oooo, it must be those (other waifu/route lovers fags) that are different than the one I like, they're the ones causing the fuss for sure. I'll quickly tell them how shit they are" and it then takes on the same flare without fail.
Meanwhile nine out of ten times it's probably just some guy on neither side just trying to start shit to see the autists fight it out.
>>124409324
Well people seem to be enjoying the show just fine as is.
>>124409362
Are you being intentionally obtuse or are you just retarded?
>>124407683
Old men, money. You know the drill.
>>124409324
You're acting like the Fate route hasn't been adapted before. Nasu himself admits it's the most well known route, and has gotten plenty of exposure through DEEN and a manga that ran for six years.
>>124409239
Ufo UBW has shown more than once he practises at night for strengthening and analysing, as well as pipes/desk with Rin and other occasions.
>>124409480
>>124409482
How many times do I need to repeat myself? I'm not talking exclusively about the anime adaptation at all. Christ you fucking animefags are defensive.
>>124409503
They covered his tracing, but his first actual projection shown was Kanshou & Bakuya.
World of Darkness Mages can kill servants
>>124409552
The reason the Fate route was skipped in the first place was because people already know it. It's old hat. People already know the story, so no point in bothering doing it again.
>>124409666
alright ebin i got trolled
why the fuck do i try to have any kind of discourse on this shit website
>>124409480
>drill
is that a pun on luvia's hair?
>>124409709
The fuck are you on about? You're saying Fate is a story that can't be split up and builds off of each other, but Nasu himself admits the Fate route is already known, so the foundation is there. That means hopping to UBW works.
>>124409764
I don't know what the fuck you're trying to argue. I never said anything negative about the ufotable adaptation. Yes, given current circumstances, it would be strange to adapt Fate. UBW will be more successful than Fate would have been.
This does not change the fact that, yes, F/SN is a cohesive story made up of 3 routes, and F/Z is a prequel that is meant to be read after it and no sooner.
>>124394628
Emiya and Kiritsugu parallels maybe? I'm still expecting a special past episode for Emiya similar to the ones Kiritsugu got in FZ, especially since a lot of Rin's dreams haven't been covered properly.
calling it now, archer's past lover is retconned to be rin
>>124409884
I'm not disagreeing that Fate is one story done in multiple parts, but there are several circumstances that have factored into it getting cut up. The 2006 series is well known and popular, and it mostly followed the Fate route, Zero then got adapted by another company due to DEEN being a clusterfuck, which also covered stuff from Fate, which meant starting from the beginning again likely wouldn't have panned out too well.
>>124409993
That would kind of defeat the ending of UBW.
>>124394628
>I still have no idea why they went with the best route
I wonder.
>>124410077
This
People that want it to be Rin, you're kind of making the entire ending out to be a bit stupid. Rin is the one that now failed him in the past that led him to this path if that's what you want. Meaning you've just created a loop, she keeps failing him, he keeps becoming this. Not sure why you want that.
It's confirmed to be none of the main three girls, but Saber or Ilya are still "maybe" at best.
>>124410161
It was obviously Taiga. Ufotable secretly set it up with the new frames they added in the BD box.
>>124410077
>>124410161
nasu doesn't really give a fuck about contradictions
also rin failing in an alternate timeline doesn't really mean anything, we had no idea what their theoretical relationship would have been like in that situation
not that it really matters, it's not super important either way and there's definitely going to be some new info about archer anyways
>>124409480
Who is she ?
>>124410030
>DEEN being a clusterfuck
I wonder how DEEN managed to lose their contract with making Fate Anime anyhow?
People when they get told why their original ideas are off, always try to play the "Nasu a hack, don't know shit" card. Gives them a free card to head-canon how they want, ignore what is said.
It's pretty much the only time when this is used. Even if Nasu directly said something is impossible, they'll just choose "Well he's contradicted himself before, so it's 300% possible". Even if most every time I see people talking about a contradictions its usually just them getting shit from the game wrong and being indignant about it. Like "Bullshit, Shirou is totally servant tier, Nasu's is a contradicting hack to say otherwise". Or "Bullshit, Nasu said Gilgamesh wasn't corrupted by the black mud, but he so was. What a hack", even though he wasn't corrupted by the mud at all which has held true entirely, but was instead corrupted by humanity. There's no contradiction there, he said it wasn't the mud, and it wasn't the mud.
It's why it feels like a meme more so than not, it's just used as an excuse more so to head-canon than not.
>>124412642
Ufotable showed up at their door and shamed them into embarrassment so deep DEEN heads begged Alienfurniture to correct their mistakes.
Rider's story will be told in the HF movies.
Caster got an extended flashback ending.
Berserker and Ilya got their extended flashback.
Will Lancer get his half-episode flashback with Bazette right before he murder Kotomine?Or are they saving that for when they animated Ataraxia?
>>124394628
You are partially right and wrong: The bridge that connects it to Zero is mainly Kiritsugu's ideals and its implications to Shirou; on the other hand, its because it can better build its own story without things being too spoiled by Zero, in short, the UBW adaptation was done in a manner that you would have to watch Zero first before watching it.
Just because its not as grimdark as Zero, it doesn't mean it loses its spirit.
HF>UBW>Fate
Mitsuduri>Taiga>Rin>Illya>Sakura>Rider>Saber
>Caster
>>124412942
Trust Ufotable to do that, if they managed to make up for Ilya's backstory, they will find a way to insert Lancer's and Bazette's first meeting.
Bonus points if they show them in the building where Kayneth died.
>>124412942
They didn't animate Zero Lancer's summoning scene but had a small flashback, so who knows.
>>124413349
Close enough
![Fate stay night [Unlimited Blade Works] - 03.mkv_snapshot_07.36_[2015.04.23_17.20.13].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zZFYJO2.jpg "Fate stay night [Unlimited Blade Works] - 03.mkv_snapshot_07.36_[2015.04.23_17.20.13].jpg")
Who was more effective at displaying monstrous abilities, Zero Berserker or Berserker?
>>124413475
How is this even a comparison? Zero version had a dogfight.
>>124414378
Lancelot held out against sixteen gates, Heracles held out against well more than 64 gates.
>>124413349
I disagree.
>>124407640
>It's also the worst route too with shittiest heroine.
I disagree, Archer is a good character.
>>124409224
But ufotable and Nasu are the ones doing that.
>>124414829
Pretty sure the Fate/Zero novel uses "Heaven's Feel IV" while F/Z anime uses "Holy Grail War"
I actually prefer Deen's designs over Ufo's
Seriously, why did Ufo make them so ugly?
Clarify this for me /a/: Does Azaka have magic circuits?
>>124407576
Confirmed for actually reading the novel
>>124394628
money
***,**7位/***,**7位 ◎ (**2,139 pt) [*,*25予約] 2015/10/07 FSN
***,*13位/***,*13位 ◎ (**3,764 pt) [*,*41予約] 2015/10/07 FSN
>>124415538
She doesn't.
>Although she had no talent as a magus (Magic Circuits), she was still able to learn ignition spells due to her inborn ability of triggering spontaneous combustion.
>>124415158
I think you might be a bit nostalgic.
>>124395675
>>124395675
In your mind maybe yes.
>>124415703
Project your mind into reality, anon.
>>124415158
The only complaint I have with ufotable's F/SN UBW so far is the lack of Lancer. It's so weird how he just shows up at the beginning, then disappears until towards the end.
>>124407604
Don't worry. Apparently some people didn't understand that the whole point of HF was a Shirou renouncing to become a super hero and even a hero like kiritsugu. Some people can't read. It's okay.
>>124415777
He's been working behind the scenes. The OPs even hint at that. They show you him fighting Berserker in OP1, and fighting Caster in OP2.
The part in OP could happen just after his appearance in episode 14.
>>124415834
OP2, I mean.
>>124394628
>>124415834
Yeah I know, but I feel like they could at least reference Lancer. I can't complain, as we had to explore the other characters before he came back to steal the show.
I wonder how Caster felt after she murdered Kirei and saw Lancer on the roof?
Ufo is doing routes in relation to their amount of Saber.
They will do Fate after the HF movies.
>>124415777
I'm pretty sure Lancer's going to be a big part of the next episode
How else are Shirou and Rin going to escape from doctor Gil?
>>124415948
Fate route isn't even in their sights. They don't want to do it because it would require serious tweaking.
>>124415963
Outlast style.
>>124416017
>it would require serious tweaking.
Extrapolate.
>>124416071
Nasu says it himself. It would require "significant alterations".
>>124416128
The twist is only adding Zero flashbacks for Shirou to dream about
It would require changes as a show, but it will be a set of movies, like HF will be.
>>124416165
I doubt that. They're saying UBW is being kept "as is", despite some serious additional content being added in just the last two episodes, and a bit in the first season. Nasu would probably want some major restructuring with Fate.
>Play Fate/unlimited codes
>Saber is a midget
>>124416264
I was joking, anon
>>124416273
>154cm
