>Getting rid of aircraft will stop war
What the fuck am I listening to?
>>124370005
That's why koko is naive, her brother is more realistic
sometimes you get frustrated with a situation, so you feel like you have to do something, even if it's not particularly effective
>>124370005
wouldnt it be awesome if koko was turned into a sex slave?
>>124370005
>Air Power stops being a thing
>Global powers have to ditch Aircraft Carriers and go back to big gun Battleships
>The Montana Class finally gets built
She was doing the world a favor.
>>124371415
That would be cool a setting for an anime/manga
>>124370005
>Getting rid of aircraft would display her power
>Power to instantly hack and control/disable any computer on earth
I'm so fucking tired of faggots who can't follow even the most basic plots.
>>124370005
>Implying it's just aircraft
Are you retarded? That's not the point, she has a goddamn quantum computer holy shit
>>124371415
What are nuclear submarines?
>>124371512
More or less, Muv Luv have this setting.
>Married and divorced ten times
But why
>>124371774
ICBMs and SLBMs are launched by a grid that is completely disconnected from any kind of outside influence by multiple layers of security, and they can be guided very accurately without the use of anything other than an inertial guidance system.
All you need to do is fire two of the fuckers up and drop one on the ground portion of Jormungand and use the other on the sattlelite.
>>124371751
>being this retarded about network security.
Her plan was fucking stupid from the get go. Her brother made an excellent point as well. Even if Koko brought us back to the Stone Age, we would just kill each other with clubs.
>>124370005
>Possess first and THE only quantum computer at the moment.
>Said that quantum computer theoretically (and partially proved) can control every single electronic that connected to network.
>Make sure nobody can duplicate quantum computer
>Every country left in the dark
>Nobody can make first move declaring war
>Cut off all air transportation
>Control all fucking logistic and information on earth.
>Obtain all information / technology available on earth.
>Make herself a god that nobody dare to oppose.
She is fucking god for god's sake, dammit. Of course she can stop war with everything in her arsenal.
I know I'm good samaritan that will go to heaven because I spoonfeed you. Now say your thanks to me.
>>124371887
She's probably mistakes lust or affection for love. It's how most short-lived marriages happen in real fie as well.
so, now we go back to classier forms of shooting each other face to face and not just pushing buttons?
>>124371910
And how do you think they're going to even find where Jormungand is located?
That's right, they can't. Koko has the means to intercept anything anyway.
>>124372066
>in real fie as well
Well fie to you too, sir!
>>124370005
The whole issue with Jona, why the fuck didnt she just tell the world to ground their shit? they Yanks would ignore it but it'd cut the kill rate by like 80%? no need for Jona to get all pissy
>>124372070
They already have the ground location on paper files and the location of Jormungand in orbit canbe determined using niggerrigged ground radar arrays. Her plan is fucked m8.
>>124372019
Isn't it be possible that HCLI possess anti-ICBM / anti-SLBM?
Koko isn't that stupid to not anticipate this basic mistake.
>>124372123
>months, maybe weeks from getting scientists to launching satelite version
>two fucking years before pressing the button
Implying there's still just a single vulnerable device
>>124372162
The problem with those types of weapons is that they are more expensive than Koko could ever ever ever afford. In addition. At most, the /entire/ US can shoot down maybe 20 ICBMs in at their highest point using technology that may or may not exist. ABM technology is very primitive at the moment. Also, after they reach their highest point, most ICBMs deploy multiple independently targetable warheads.
>>124372210
Then we blanket Earth's orbit with nukes and destroy all sattelites in orbit. There would then be no way for the ground unit of Jormungand to communicate with most parts of the world. At most, it would take 50 years to get back to current levels of development, this would be an acceptable sacrifice in preventing a mad dictator like Koko from ruling the planet.
>>124372282
I see, I got your point.
Let me ask one last question if I may.
Is there any chance that Koko predict all this outcome and successfully disable / destroy any threat to jormungand?
If not, she is just making thing worse and largest scale war will happen before long
>>124371415
What are Tomahawks?
>>124372388
She was already insane, she was so absorbed in her own idealistic world that she ignored the threats she knew she couldn't defeat and just hoped that they would go away. Unfortunately, things don't just go away if you ignore them. She was wrong, and, in all likelihood, she just popped off the war to end civilization or, at the very least, kill billions of people.
>>124372004
>Said that quantum computer theoretically (and partially proved) can control every single electronic that connected to network.
What's the point in writing the rest if you're wrong on your second point?
>>124372642
That was outright stated in the show.
>>124372727
Yes, because anime is such a deacon of real life knowledge.
>>124372904
Oh, right. What's next, gonna argue that a human should not be able to jump from moon to earth just after doing some squats and push-ups?
How come military forces without nukes are taken seriously? (i.e Japan)
Isn't nukes the weapon to end all weapons?
>>124373015
What are you going to do with those nukes when you're not fighting a nation?
>>124373186
war crimes
>>124373015
Nukes are just stupid. You're shooting yourself in the foot with a fucking RPG. Nukes aren't a viable weapon for earth wars. Go nuke other planets
>>124373186
The reason N.Korea is considered a threat is because they can scorch Seoul with a nuke and kill millions before anyone can do anything about it
Her plan was to make peasant people feels ashame of their action and somewhat stop supporting warmongering big shots.
Also her world's situation is nothing like our present world, rewatch the last ep.
>>124371887
Because she just hasn't met the right one yetaka me
>>124370005
Did you even listen to the preview music? They tell you early in the seriesher name is Kokoand that she is quite loco
>>124372491
Watch me Swooce right in!
>>124371887
>banana in a wedding dress
>>124373819
>Za powa of yormungandu
It would get btfo in real life
>>124370005
The most annoyingly disappointing last two episodes ever.
>>124372282
>could ever ever ever afford
because a space program is so cheap right?
>>124372115
Villains should never tell people about their plans in general until it's way too late.
>>124372162
You launch stuff into space for a mere $8000 US these days. If we ballpark Koko's satellite launch costing 100 mil, that's still nowhere near the budget of the US defence department.
>>124374757
Meant to reply to >>124374509
>implying every networked missile defence system there was isn't in Koko's hands already
>implying Jormungand isn't capable of feats of finance, politics, and espionage that no person or group of people could dream of (ignoring it's military intelligence capabilities)
>implying Jormungand is Koko Hekmatyar's only resource
>implying the Closing of the Skies is Koko's endgame
>>124374757
>forgetting that Koko gets her hardware at cost price
>>124373015
If you ever use nukes you'll basically put a huge "attack here" sign for the rest of the world to band up and have a reason to get your resources.
It's okay when the US does it though.
>>124371869
>look it up
>it's a hentai visual novel
Nice try but you're not tricking me into THAT rabbit hole
>>124375132
Pretty irrelevant, it cost everyone an average of 100 mil to launch 4 tonnes of payload (usually a satellite)
>>124374757
>the budget of the US defence department
no no no you were talking about ICBMs noht about the whole budget of the US defence department.
>>124375094
THIS SO MUCH and especially this
>implying the Closing of the Skies is Koko's endgame
>>124375094
That would be a nice thought if every system used open loop crypto. The problem is most power facilities, developed countries and militaries use closed loop crypto that is designed to only accept a specific key at a specific time. A practical real example of where Jormungand would be useless is the Aster 15 and 30 which use nothing for guidance except an active RF seeker meaning they can engage targets based on practical radiowave calculations rather than syslinking with the firing ship.
Sure, the big J could hack a few banks and get some mad $ but nothing to the level the fools here think it could do.
>>124373015
Nukes are at best a defensive weapon. As no one would be retarded enough to risk the loss of millions at once.
Offensive they are a "hey world - declare war on me" weapon if used.
>>124375868
Protip: ICBMs are produced by the defence department.
>>124375986
>syslinking with the firing ship
there is the error in your plan you fool
>>124374446
Not when finished.
Counters everthing: ICBMs? Sure they are guarded against it, but someone higher up needs to give the command for launch, said command will never arrive.
Troop movements - your command chain stopped existing, won't work.
>>124376049
>rather than syslinking with the firing ship
>rather
Can you read?
>>124370005
This show was fucking retarded. I can't believe I didn't drop it
>>124376032
Protip: ICBMs are produced by HCLI with the budget of the US defence department.
>>124376032
Which is irrelevant as all communication is in Koko's hands.
>>124375094
To bad that's functionally impossible due to the fact that both the Russians and Americans keep their missile systems running on isolated systems that require you to be physically present in order to engage them.
There's a reason those two Israeli spies were caught by the US, and it's because they were dumb enough to think they could access the networks via remote insertion.
It's basically super science written by someone that has no idea how the military world works and based all their ideas on Hollywood.
Like the retardation of the EMP plotline in GTAV.
>>124375258
Muv Luv is the greatest VN ever made
>Identify satellite carrying Jormungand (which is very easy to do because lol public registry and telescopes)
>Fire ASAT
Shows over kids
>>124376142
>in order to engage them.
No need for that when you want world peace. Just cut the power and let them rot in the silos.
>>124375258
It's pretty suffering heavy if that's your thing
>>124376119
Epic post
>>124376175
>Shot down shitty F-15 via drone.
Show goes on kiddo
>>124376181
>Just cut the power
It's like I'm really watching a shitty movie
>>124376200
>F-15
>Being shot down by a drone
Oh my fucking god, how do I even respond to this level of retardation?
>>124376181
Isolated power networks running on nuclear fuel cells. The systems were designed in the late 50s to allow silos to operate independently in a catastrophic communications failure.
>>124376200
> drone
> shooting down an F-15
Nihon pls go.
>>124376200
>This entire post
>>124376192
>>124376172
how about no?
>>124376346
There aren't enough people in this thread to notice your meme tabs champ
>>124376346
Why did you highlight the part describing how every VN ever works?
>>124376346
>I'm a gigantic faggot
It really is the best VN ever in terms of story
I felt like I got shot at least twice
>>124376346
telling you man, If suffering is your thing then that shit is like a birthday cake
>hurr durr unbeatable nuke program
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y1ya-yF35g
>>124371869
>Can't use plains
>Better build Robots
The best outcome possible for anyone.
>>124376346
This guy
>>124376628
Wait, so it's basically same setting as Red Eyes?
>>124376700
Well I'm not sure, does it feature an MC that keeps looping in an alternate universe with humanity experiencing the apocalypse for almost 30 years while fighting Aliens?If that's the case then yes
>>124376778
Oh, nope.
Just losto tekunorogy invincible satelites shooting down planes, icbms or anything flying at certain level above ground. Since nuking the neighbours got that much harder, wars are waged using somewhat realistic powersuits and tanks.
>>124376897
Well instead of invincible Satelites it's Laser Aliens
>>124371819
Ineffective against armed naval vessels.
>>124376897
The lasers are ground based rather than space based but otherwise yes. They're numerous and accurate enough that they can act as defense against missiles and artillery too. The main purpose of the mecha is to have a platform that you can put jet/rocket hybrid engines on so as to bring some of the functions that fighters used to fill closer to the ground. One of the first things the humans do in any engagement is to attempt to confirm laser presence, deploy heavy metal smoke clouds to dampen the effects of lasers, and send jet-powered robots to strike behind enemy lines and suppress enemy air defenses so that bombers can be brought in.
>>124376992
lol, shall I post a link to the cold war era South African sub that destroyed an entire NATO task force by itself in an excercise?
>>124377054
Ineffective against armed naval vessels.
>>124376897
>>124377102
Since you asked
http://mg.co.za/article/2007-09-04-sa-submarine-outwits-nato-force
>>124376346
>>124375258
Are you a Mormon or something?
>>124374020
I need this.
>>124376346
Eroge is the pinnacle of literature whether you like it or not.
>>124376451
>It really is the best VN ever in terms of story
That's not Higurashi.
>get a sr-71
>use a radar to locate jormungand satellite (easy)
>take it down
>???
>profit
Alternatively, NSA can just shut down our conscience with the microdrones they have in our bloodstream.
>>124377365
I think you mean sea cats
>>124377899
Acceptable only if you aren't talking about Chiru.
>>124371966
Jormungand is one of my favorite shows, but it could have been so much better without that bizarre plot hole. Sure somebody with a quantum computer could do massive damage in the short term, but it's so uncharacteristically naive for Koko to think that it could end war. Best case it knocks back military technology by a century, but literally every country on earth would devote 100% of its resources to developing alternative technology and directing it against Koko. Throughout history war has been the single greatest motivator of men and driver of innovation. That's not going to change just because one small group manages to compromise communications encryption.
The show could have been a solid A instead of a tenuous B if she had just intended to use Jormungand for fucking with the CIA, subtly manipulating world politics, and other less patently unrealistic purposes.
>>124377150
>Training Exercises
Are you being serious? If you seriously think that fucking INTERNATIONAL TRAINING EXERCISES are a measuring stick for military capability, then you are absolutely retarded. According to you, fighters like the Rafale, Eurofighter and the F35 regularly get shot down by cold war relics more than 50 years their senior, rubber dinghies with RPGs are able to defeat every single navy on the face of the earth combined, and a shithole like India is able to go toe-to-toe with the US and win the vast majority of the time. If you think that training exercises are anything more than irrelevant countries circlejerking each other about how falsely stronk their shitty militaries are so they can feel better about their existence Then you are absolutely butt-fucking retarded.
Borderland > UNDER/SHAFT
>>124377490
>sr-71
>relevant
>>124378500
Huh? What was that? Can't hear you from up here.
>>124378547
Can't hear you from being shot down m8
KOKO STRONK
>>124378608
I'm not falling down, I'm just THAT fast.
>>124370005
>Its purpose was to end war and arms trade by closing off the skies for all air travel. If humanity was not completely discouraged from war, Jormungand would be adapted to denying sea and land travel as well.
>>124378376
Wow there's some defensiveness in that post, maybe a little desparation?
>>124378653
>UCAV killed an unescorted low flying surveillance predator
Amazing
>>124373867
Basically this.
>>124378852
Quite sure nobody uses the full extent of their radar/sensor/sonars etc during exercise since nobody wants the other guy to get data and create counters.
>>124377958
What were they going to do, dig up some pre-computerization hardware from WWII?
>>124378972
Do you really believe Jormungand could fantastically hack every piece of networked hardware out there despite the wealth of points disproving that including some in this thread?
>>124373772
Fuck you cunt, she's mine.
>>124378991
You don't even have to go that far back. I know it's hard to imagine when you're 11 years old, but there are people alive today who remember what the world was like before the internet. Engineers in their 50s today started their careers when you drafted on paper and did calculations on slide rules.
Besides, the ability to crack encryption only helps you if the system you're trying to attack is connected to the internet. It's standard practice for hardware used to control weapons systems and computers that store TS information to be physically isolated from any external networks -- as in the only way to hack them is to get physical access to the console. The idea that a hostile entity could compromise network security has not escaped the DOD.
>get a teenager kid with hidden potential in him
>give him a dull knife and the location of jormungand
>say that his osananahjimmy are in danger if he doesn't act
>say that his nakama all depend on him
>?????
>profit
There, I just defeated Jormungand the japanese way.
>>124379399
Don't bother replying, he probably thinks that russia can hack into the US defense system and launch all nukes over the earth.
>>124379227
>disproving
first you woould have to understand the power of jormungand which none of you fags do.
>>124379399
>connected to the internet
yeah like stuxnet right?
>>124379710
And what exactly is this glorious power of jormungand champ?
>>124379400
That's pretty clever, anon.
>>124379768
If you didn't understand it while watching the show you won't understand it now, pal. But you should try to read and comprehend >>124375094
>>124379710
Ah stuxnet, the first 'cyberweapon'
Did you know it did not damage Iran's nuclear centrifuge production capacity at all?
>>124379860
>you should try and comprehend misinformed fanwank
Nope, can't do it. I can't comprehend how someone can be so wrong yet write so much.
>>124379907
>can't comprehend
told you so.
>>124377102
Submarines have always been more dangerous to surface vessels than vice versa.. It's not for no reason that navies devote a lot of effort into ASW programs.
>>124379937
And could you prove any of the points he makes?
>>124379710
>the power of jormungand
There's those words again
>>124370005
Post more Jormungand girls
>>124379342
Fight me bitch nigga 1v1 right now
>>124381689
my waifu can beat you up
>>124381802
>implying she'd even touch me
You and me shitcunt rite now come on
>>124381837
I will kill you one hit lets go cunt
>>124381862
Yer ded kid I have6 monthsof military experience m8>tfw I'm gonna go back soon and then I'll be able to oberate again
>>124381689
>>124381802
Fuck you niggas
>>124375258
>>124376346
I don't think you really understand. Muv-Luv is essentially three games: Muv-Luv Extra (The typical high-school rom-com harem setting) Muv-Luv Unlimited (shit changes, but not to an insane degree) and Muv-Luv Alternative (which will tear your soul in half).
After finishing Muv-Luv Alternative I was completely depressed for a month afterwards. That ending was extremely depressing.
Muv-Luv is one of the best VNs out there, but it's biggest flaw and also one of it's strengths is that you need a lot of patience.
>>124381802
I have protagonist plot armor. If I activated my power of friendship as well, I could wreck her with my little finger.
Koko is a shitty bond.villain and the best thing that could happen to her as a fictional character would be to lose utterly after her dogma is proven false.
She's also loco.
>>124373819
If was the president, I could just nigger rig a radio and send an unjammable message to a nuke sub. One on the ground, a couple in orbit. Jormungand gone. Koko a fried up crisp of shit.
I have to say I was expecting something a bit more nuanced than shatter their skies.
With such a device, you know what is being communicated just about everywhere, thanks to even secure, closed systems leaking like sieves the moment someone makes a mistake. And you can modify the contents of just about anything as well.
You can literally rewrite history as it's happening. That's some illuminati shit right there.
>>124384376
Jormungand would just intercept your radioshack order and cancel it.
>>124376069
You do realize that we had methods of communicating before the advent of digital communications technology.
>>124385061
Not if it was done in person.
>>124378794
>Jormungand would be adapted to denying sea and land travel as well.
Citation needed.
>>124370005
>Jormungand
Hurr. Quantum Computer Encryption Cracker will solve everything.
The Author wasn't even clever enough to develop his reasoning better.
(After Jormungands Activation Humanity is at War. With Skynet?)
>>124376628
>plains
Sure, they can't use open plains.
>>124385576
>Sorry sir, the cash register declined your sale.
THE POWER
I am big gun.
>>124380180
What episode is the not kokojonah bath scene from?
>>124371415
>Air Power stops being a thing
well, arpeggio has that one down. satellites get shot down too
>>124385685
>Citation needed.
Jormungand Wiki. Also Jormungand canon like in the introduction speech in the first episode. It's like you people didn't even watch the show.
>>124384642
finally a smart person in the thread.
>>124386413
Oh no, it blocks GPS. How horrible, how will anyone ever get around without it. It's not like there's other, many equally effective, ways of navigation.
>>124386706
never mentioned gps but whatever gets you through the nightninem8...
All the people defending the concept of Jormungand ending war in this thread are
RETARDED
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>>124371512
sequel to Jormungand, yes please.
the finale was basically teasing an amazing alternate reality cold war setting.
>>124386797
But that's pretty much the only thing it can use to try to deny land and sea travel.
>>124386849
That'll never happenbut you already know that
>>124370005
Getting rid of air traffic resolves the problem pretty well.
It resolves the decline of Marine warfare, by destroying Yamamoto's core tactics.
It also makes logistics a lot more difficult and controls the flow of weaponry around the world.
>>124386866
I know, it's hilarious. It's like most of the people in this thread apparently think that all of the worlds tanks and ships have self destruct buttons connected to the internet
>>124386866
>>124386967
Except no. The idea that she was able to ground all aircraft was retarded in and of itself. Many aviators are skilled in using navigation techniques other than GPS. In addition, many planes don't even have digital systems in them. Jormungand had a shitty premise for its last two episodes.
