Alright, guys. It's time.
Who would win in this legendary match-up? Assume they're real creatures or their anime versions, no game mechanics as this is /a/ and plus it would be a clusterfuck of comparing gametypes across a multitude of genres.
>Charmander vs Agumon
http://strawpoll.me/4165955
>Charmeleon vs Agumon
http://strawpoll.me/4165957
>Greymon vs Charizard
http://strawpoll.me/4165963
>MetalGreymon vs Charizard
http://strawpoll.me/4165969
>MetalGreymon vs Mega Charizard (X or Y)
http://strawpoll.me/4165971
>WarGreymon vs Mega Charizard (X or Y)
http://strawpoll.me/4165973
I say:
>Agumon
>Charmeleon
>could go either way
>MetalGreymon
>Mega Charizard
>WarGreymon
It's a shame there aren't really many feats as far as what either of these creatures do in their own canon.
99% of anything that happens are fights vs another Mon, and never, say, destroying a mountain, lifting a building, etc, so it's somewhat hard to say how actually strong they really are (not just against other Mon in their own canon).
I'll give each Mon a rating as to how I see their powers go (in the next post). Defense, (Physical) Strength , Speed, and Special powers like projectiles/blasts, etc. on a scale from 1-10. 1-2 being about human level and 9-10 being able-to-destroy-a-whole-city level.
Feel free to call me retarded if you disagree. Just trying to generate discussion.
>Digimon
Agumon:
>Defense
4
>Strength
4
>Speed
2
>Special
4
Greymon:
>Defense
6
>Strength
7
>Speed
3
>Special
7
MetalGreymon:
>Defense
7
>Strength
8
>Speed
5
>Special
8
WarGreymon:
>Defense
8
>Strength
9
>Speed
7
>Special
9
WarGreymon's Strength and Special might even be a 10.
>>124286586
>Pokemon
Charmander:
>Defense
2
>Strength
3
>Speed
3
>Special
3
Charmeleon:
>Defense
3
>Strength
4
>Speed
5
>Special
4
Charizard:
>Defense
4
>Strength
5
>Speed
8
>Special
6
M-Zard X:
>Defense
6
>Strength
7
>Speed
8
>Special
7
M-Zard Y:
>Defense
5
>Strength
6
>Speed
8
>Special
8
Alright, well it seems the Digimon are generally more powerful, but far slower. Do these make sense or am I way off?
I'm assuming Greymon is extremely physically powerful basically because he's 30 or 40 feet tall, or around that area. This will also allow him to take more hits, but he's incredibly slow and as his power goes up his speed doesn't increase, other than being able to take larger strides, making him a little faster than Agumon.
Being able to fly is a huge asset, so Greymon gets a considerable speed increase with the addition of wings, but even as WarGreymon wouldn't be able to match Charizard. However in WarGreymon form, he's way more powerful than either of Charizard's ultimate forms. I dunno guys.
No one?
>these poll numbers
the fuck?
>checked on the poll before
>pretty balanced, a favorite on each side
>seems reasonable
>come back
>600+ votes
As strange as this might seem, I think you'd get better results from /tg/. They too like to be autistic about stats, number crunching, die rolling, and the like.
>>124286551
Pokefags everywhere
>>124287640
This is what happens when you give pokefuckers license to vote.
Digimon shit on Pokemon at power levels, this is common knowledge.
>Giratina vs ZeedMilleniummon.
>Arceus vs Imperialdramon PM (because Yggdrasil is not a Digimon)
>Mewtwo vs BlackWarGreymon
No fucking contest. Digimon wins
Digimon are to Pokemon what a 40k marine is to a Starcraft one.
There is no fucking competition, at all.
>>124288157
Arceus might be a tossup
>>124287640
They're votebots who just latch on any poll and vote one random choice continually.
>Thinking Pokemans have any kind of chance against adult or higher Digimon
Agumon vs Charmander would go easily to Agumon, Charmelon would stand a chance and Charizard would win
However, once Agumon evolves to Greymon its over, Greymon is far bigger than Charizard and unlike the monster in Pokemon, Digimon do not have to have their power toned down not to wreak massive havoc on their environments
To have a win against adult level Digimon you'd have to throw legendary Pokemon like Mewto and they'd be hard to take down, but it might be manageable.
Ultimates would very likely shit on legendary Pokemon, we're talking about giant fucking warbeasts that have magic, cybernetics, bullshit powers of friendship and can wreck entire cities very easily, as seen in Tamers.
Perfect levels are god breakers, you have normal Perfect levels like Wargreymon that throw planet destroyers at shit, you have Perfect+ like Omegamon who just exists to shit on other Perfect levels, you have literal god Perfect levels and you have the Tamer + Digimon Perfect level that fucking punches said gods into submission.
Compared to Pokemon, Digimon is WH40k, which isn't surprising since Digimon exist for the sole purpose of fighting each other
>>124289068
Oh, and unlike Pokemon, Digimon have no fucking issue attacking humans
Digimon because they can talk and can thus better communicate with whoever controls them
>>124289130
>>124286551
I feel bad for the retarded OP making those polls.
>>124289068
>Ultimates would very likely shit on legendary Pokemon
It varies. All the legendaries can at least easily wreck a city, but some others operate on a level where they can sink and destroy continents and then it immediately jumps to universal fuckery with a few.
Other than that, you're right.
>>124287640
There is somebody on /a/ who considers strawpolls to be Reddit-tier cancer, but deals with it by proxyspamming any strawpoll posted on /a/ instead of telling whoever posted it to get out and kill themselves.
Someone tried to avoid that by posting a poll using Google Forms before, but then the proxyspammer came in, reported the person posting it (probably multiple times), cried about "ID harvesting" in the thread, and the mods believed him and deleted the posts.
>>124289344
>operate on a level where they can sink and destroy continents and then it immediately jumps to universal fuckery with a few.
Thats pretty much what ultimates in Digimon like MagnaAngemon do
>>124289068
I was on the fence, but you swayed me. You speak the truth.
There won't be a fight. You will just see digimon throwing pokeballs at the autist pokemon.
>>124286624
It comes down to Terra Nova vs Fire Blast.
And i don't know about you, but i'll put my money on the burning Spirit Bomb.
>>124289700
Overall, the ultimate realitybreakers from both series are Zeedmillenniummon and Arceus.
Where's the contest?
>>124289130
And Digimon are only about 10x more intelligent than Pokemon
Literally if it came down to it a Digimon could capture a Pokemon in a pokeball and train it
>>124292064
Zeedmillenniummon is a monster that controls the flow of time and appears in every single dimension in some form for the sole sake of existing and can't ever be defeated.
It fucking fucks with the dimensions of the anime so a form of it can appear in Tamers while being still canon in both.
Arceus is a Pokemon that has some minor time powers and can get defeated by normal Pokemon and caught.
>>124292441
>And Digimon are only about 10x more intelligent than Pokemon
Some psychic Pokémon (like Mewtwo, Alakazam or Malamar) are much smarter than humans.
>>124292480
That's just for the gameplay but Arceus is a legit omnipotent God that can manipulate time, space and create sentient life.
Pokemon's too low tier as far as monster franchises goes, even monster rancher had stronger creatures.
I would say that your average pokemon would only be able to face child level digimon and the really strong ones would struggle with adult level digimon. And then there's perfect and ultimate level digimon, who shits all over anything pokemon has to offer.
>>124289068
>>124289344
Pretty much this.
Just comparing the size of their bodies, pokemon seem to generally be no bigger than large bear. Almost all digimon past the child level are the size of a small house.
But, digimon might not be able to handle psychic-type pokemon as easily since most digimon are about destructive power.
I think the REAL monster we should be using are Garbodor and Garbgemon. More similar than the agumon line Vs charmander line, since dinosaurs vs lizards isn't really that fair. And by the time charmander hits dragon-type, agumon is throwing small suns and spinning its body fast enough to create a tornado.
>>124292836
A tornado made of fire.
>>124292836
>digimon might not be able to handle psychic-type pokemon as easily since most digimon are about destructive power.
Digimon has actual Cthulu type shit and far worse, psychotic and ghost powers isn't shit when you have existence erasing lovecraftian bullshit
![[PLSP-card] Digimon Tamers 49 (H264-AAC) [D718BCC4].mkv_20131001_230923.123.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/y2LcY0S.jpg "[PLSP-card] Digimon Tamers 49 (H264-AAC) [D718BCC4].mkv_20131001_230923.123.jpg")
>>124292963
I don't think people quite understand how fucking retardedly overpowered Digimon are and what shit they face.
We have dimension crossing programs that feed on the very concept of entropy
There is no contest really. I don't think Digimon can get hard.
>>124293205
Besides the digimon that are made by metals stronger than metal?
>>124293205
Metapod, I ...
>>124293264
But can they harden?
>>124292836
Actually, digimon in levels as early as adult gets some unique powers such as clockmon being able to stop time. The whole going crazy with exotic and unique abilities starts coming with force in perfect level and there's a fuckton of ultimates with bizarre abilities far more weird than just psychic power.
Also, I don't see what's the problem with psychic pokemon.
>>124292963
>At first I thought it was gonna be the massive dragonite
>see the tips of Dragomons wings dwarf that Dragonite
Chills. Digimon you scary
Why are strawpolls reddit-tier cancer?
What autist decided that?
What's wrong with a simple system of voting?
>>124291293
>it just grows a wig
disgusting
Better question is who is more cuter, Lillymon or Lilligant?
http://strawpoll.me/4167359
Arceus is stronger than 99% of Digimon. I think even GameFreak themselves is ashamed of the mythology they came up for Diamond/Pearl since it's really over-the-top. They have God, the God of Time, the God of Space, the God of Anti-Matter and the physical representations of consciousness.
guys?
>>>/vp/23278847
>>124293820
you saw it too, huh?
>>124293873
>/a/
>cites references from respective anime to determine the winner
>/vp/
>shitposts about semantics
Although, what about Mewtwo? In Pokemon the 1st Movie he was pretty OP >>>/vp/23279027
>>124293324
Just thought that pokemon like Mewtwo and Alakazam would put up a decent fight. That is IF they can do mind-control stuff like I think they can? Or maybe just attack the digimon's mind directly? Or are they limited to just telekinesis type stuff?
i don't know. I always figured Mewtwo could psychically crush your brain inside your skull if it ever wished to. But doesn't because pokemon is targeted at the super young/early teen demographic.
>>124294062
>Alakazam
top kek
>Mewtwo
maybe
Digifags need to get in here and address that.
>>124293956
He was only OP compared with other pokemon. I don't remember well how it was worded before, but somebody commented before that the only reason the facility he was in blew up wasn't due his sheer power but because he damaged important electronics and weakened the structural integrity of the place he was in.
Take your wanfank shit and fuck off to your own board.
>>124294130
But his storm he casually stirred up was going to wipe out all life on Earth.
What if he maxed out and summoned every bit of power he had? Could he destroy the whole planet? Seems feasible.
>>124294211
Digimon is /a/ and Pokemon is an anime, are you fucking retarded? This is in no way un-/a/-related.
>>124294062
>That is IF they can do mind-control stuff like I think they can?
Mind control is a common theme in Digimon, a fuckton of them can do mind control shit, there even are body invading parasites like parasimon that take full control of the host
>>124294211
Digimon and Pokemon are both anime
Kill yourself faggot
>>124288384
This, Arceus is one of the few Pokemon that could probably hold its own against its Digimon world counterpart without taking Pokedex bullshit into account. Like letting Tyranitar crush mountains with one hand, or giving Gardevoir the ability to create black holes, or making Magcargo hot enough to cause widespread destruction just by existing.
Arceus has actually been shown creating a new universe for the sake of giving the player a gift.
>>124294062
Hoopa's really the only psychic that might be able to keep up with Digimon in the same weight class. It wouldn't be able to take more than a few hits, but portal bullshit would let it pull some stupid tricks like dropping a world-breaking meteor or sending a foe into the core of the sun.
>>124294241
Puppetmon can control to some extent I believe. Not in the seemingly omnipotent way Mewtwo can though.
>>124294062
It's been ages since I watched pokemon and the movie, but I don't remember mind control being involved there. I vaguely remember them being able to use telekinesis to manipulate the bodies of weaker mons and humans, but that's all I remember them doing besides the usual psychic blast attacks.
>>124294288
What did Mewtwo mind control other than that one nurse?
>>124287786
Seconds
>>124294288
Mass mind control is a thing for quite a few Digimon, it happens in quite a few season and is usually carried out by random enemies as if the act wasn't difficult.
Some of them even have bullshit long range MC that only has the victim look at a mirror and then get mindfucked.
>>124294288
Don't forget Ebemon in Xros Wars. Nigga can mind control several digimon effortlessly and he was just a grunt rather than a high ranked general
![219Magcargo[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/kwnmsLm.png "219Magcargo[1].png")
>>124289068
>Wrecking a city
Can they handle 18,000 F snails
>>124287786
I think most anons ITT have posted in favor of Digimon, not Pokemon.
>>124294595
If we all agree that Mewtwo's extinction storm was summoned up with little effort, could Ebemon survive a full-power Mewtwo attack?
Would a CHILD defeat both Pokemon and Digimon at the same time
>>124294596
Anyone have the numbers on just how destructive Magcargo's mere presence should be?
>>124294790
Twice as much as Primal Groudon's?
>>124294814
Anyone have the numbers on just how destructive Primal Groudon's mere presence should be?
Because neither the show nor the games do a very good job of conveying what temperatures high enough to evaporate hundreds of gallons of water in an instant would do to everything else.
I don't think it's that much compared to the toppest-tier Digimon, but it's still an insane amount of power.
Hmm should be common knowledge that most digimon would be able to curb stomp most pokemon with a few exceptions like the time/space legendary trio and Arceus.
Wargreymon VS mega charizard shouldn't even be a contest.
*checks polls*
Oh gawd why /a/?
>>124294969
he's the equivalent of the /vp/ Slugfucker except he's autistic towards Strawpolls for some reason
>>124294353
Everyone in the ending.
>>124294353
He reversed time and/or reset everyone on the planet's minds after his dark tournament or whatever was over.
>>124294969
I know of one Digimon that would be able to stomp Arceus.
>>124294912
I remember someone calculated how much power it needs to release to create a miniature sun like in that cutscene
>>124295379
Right, and that put it at planet-buster levels IIRC.
>>124295496
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=24970
Here it is
>>124295496
But is Mewtwo also a planet buster? In theory?
>>124295355
Does ZeedMilleniumon have the power to create things, or is it purely destructive?
>>124295543
No, Mewtwo is a life-wiper. Ending all life on Earth is much easier than flat-out destroying the planet itself.
>>124295654
>Ending all life on Earth is much easier than flat-out destroying the planet itself
Yes, but he did it by just lounging in his chair and casually waving his hand.
Bulked-out at full power could he destroy the planet is the question.
Moltres vs Birdramon?
>>124295890
Sounds like a much better matchup than Charizard/Greymon.
>>124295890
Even though I think Digimon are generally more powerful I'd have to give that one to Moltres
>>124296032
this
>>124296032
I feel it would be pretty close but yeah Moltres would probably win
>>124296032
>>124296078
Would Garudamon smoke Moltres?
>>124296152
Yes
>>124296152
Garudamon would make a totem out of Moltres's bones. Shadow Wing is too much high power for Moltres and in a melee brawl, it clearly has more brute force.
>>124295766
Probably not.
>>124296202
>Garudamon would make a totem out of Moltres's bones
kek
that's what I thought
>>124296290
the plot thickens
>>124295766
Was he shown creating the storm in his tower or just urging it on? Been a while since I've seen that movie
>>124296352
He created a storm to wipe out all life on Earth, and he made the eye around his island so he and the other clones would be the only survivors
>>124296387
Pokemon's earth must be incredibly small if just a genetically created pokemon can cover it entirely in a deathstorm
>>124297274
Nope, same size.
Mewtwo is just a fucking beast. And he's kind of like Cell in that he was created using only the best genes from the host DNA, making him more powerful.
Also note it took little to no effort to do this.
>>124297274
>just a genetically created pokemon
They dreamed of creating the world's strongest Pokemon.
>>124297693
This is what a 10 year old comes up with in DigimonIts so powerful its mere existance starts shattering the world
>>124298142
That was in the digital world. It's extremely powerful, but I don't think it has that same effect on the physical world.
>>124298374
>I don't think it has that same effect on the physical world.
It actually was affecting the physical world already m8
>>124298498
Oh.
My mistake, then.
Still, Dukemon was able to exist in both worlds without causing any damage, and I always figured that he was stronger than Megidramon. Am I wrong on that note as well, or is Megidramon's destructive aura the result of being unableor just not caring enoughto properly control its own overwhelming power?
>>124292547
Arceus ain't got shit on ZeedMilleniummon
>>124298929
>Dukemon was able to exist in both worlds without causing any damage
Dukemon was also sentient and able to direct his power.
>I always figured that he was stronger than Megidramon
Nobody knows
>Megidramon's destructive aura the result of being unable or just not caring enough to properly control its own overwhelming power
Something like that afaik, you'd have to dig through Konaka's notes, as far as I am aware it just started breaking reality by existing
>>124298142
Didn't that have as much to do with its evil virus shit as its power?
>>>>>/vp/
>>124299913
wat
Arceus got its shit kicked in the anime. Arceus got its shit kicked in the manga. Arceus can get its shit kicked in the games. Arceus has no destructive feats.
>>124299963
So all those pokegods just have special powers but no actual combat power?
>>124300085
Seems like it.
>>124295654
Zeed recreated all the villians of the series for the protagonist to fight in his videogame.
Shits broken.
>>124300085
Mega Rayquaza is the strongest combat Pokemon
>>124300746
Forgot pic
