Hey /a/
I'd like to have a conversation that goes outside our normal range of topics. I think we're all aware of the difference in animation separated by culture; in America we have cartoons and comics, and in Japan we have anime and manga. So, I was having a thought provoking conversation with my non-existent girlfriend on the transverse of styles that are opposite of someone's country of origin, and while we could point out many Japanese who have successfully crossed over into the American style of animation, we couldn't think of a single American who has successfully crossed over into the Japanese style of animation. Why is this? Certainly, there are American created cartoons that mimic the style of what one would see in Japan, but they're usually not up to snuff. We don't hear at all about Americans moving to Japan in order to create a big name anime or manga, but the reverse happens more frequently than one might think.
Long paragraph short: Why can't Americans into Japanese animation successfully?
>>124087424
>in America we have cartoons and comics, and in Japan we have anime and manga.
The way you say it makes it seem like you'd disagree with the terms Japanese comics and Japanese cartoons".
>>124087550
Two unique styles require different terminology, and not to mention that terminology also varies from culture to culture. Here in America we call them cartoons and comics, and in Japan they call them Anime and Manga. When someone affluent from Japanese migrates to America in order to publish work we really don't see the style dependent on their country of origin largely come into play, they always try to mimic the target audience's culture to become more successful. We see a lot of Japanese come to America and pan out region specific works to assimilate better, but I've frankly never heard of an American going to Japan and having created a successful Japanese style Anime or Manga.
>>124087989
>Two unique styles
>Two
>all western comics look the same
>all Japanese comics look the same
Fuck off.
>>124088042
Cool argument bro, I totally see where your coming from and your 10 point opposing presentation was very informative. I especially enjoyed the citations from established and well known accredited studies and research papers you deliberated. Very well done.
>>124087424
They're call Chinese cartoons for a reason.
>>124087424
Because anime is shit.
>>124087424
baka gaijins need to leave
Does that answer your question?
Japan is still a fairly xenophobic nation and although you're unlikely to run into hardcore nationalists demanding that white piggu go home, so it's harder for white people to immigrate to Japan and expect success in an all-japanese office space.
We need more shit like IGPX that's for sure
>>124087424
Megas XLR was somewhat successful, and that's as western as you can get.
>>124087424
Because Japan hasn't been infected with multiculturalism and doesn't truly accept foreigners into society. Anime studios would not hire a gaijin, and otaku wouldn't buy anime made by a gaijin.
boondocks
The french did it pretty well with Wakfu.
Basically american cartoons are made by americans who watch and read american comics, so you can't expect them to think like japs.
The japs though used to take inspiration from what the americans do, so they can easily make anime like american cartoons
>>124087424
>I think we're all aware of the difference in animation separated by culture; in America we have cartoons and comics, and in Japan we have anime and manga
Are you so sure of the differences? First of all, anime/manga in Japan is regulated as you already see it. But in the USA, the animation and comics are regulated VERY differently than their counterparts in Japan.
In the USA, animation and manga must apply for pornography licenses if they contain pornographic material. However, imported anime/manga are not currently subject to this rule, thus websites such as e-hentai can distribute hentai/ecchi images to usa ISP connections without the gov't getting involved on criminal licensing issues.
Originally, attorney general John Ashcroft (president Bush'scabinet) wanted to have all animation and print media regulated under the same laws without exceptions for anime/manga. That failed clinton's liberal supreme court and was watered down to form the Protect Act as we know it today. The court is conservative now, so if another attempt was made by the next republican president, it just might pass.
>>124089031
>If another attempt was made
It wouldn't pass. In fact the only manga/anime genre directly threatened by such a bill is lolicon/shota.
Weebs are a very vocal minority.
But they do as it's all made in Corea.
>>124088042
you can clearly tell the difference between the two,
is that not enough to say they have their own different styles.
>>124090966
There are a great many different art styles for cartoons in the west and the east. Sure, there are distinctive styles for both, but to use the term "art style" to define that difference is too broad.
No such thing as an "anime-style" or "manga-style" no matter how weeaboo you are.
anime literally is "animation from Japan"
saying "western anime" is like saying "live action anime"
>>124087424
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9r7q7t36Z8
But, America is best
>>124093195
That was shit just like you and your waifu
>>124087424
But Disney Channel has already mimicked it and perfected it.
>>124087424
>Why can't Americans into Japanese animation successfully?
Why would they?
>>124093195
Anon why.
>>124087424
>americans havent used japanese style animation
*cough*
Avatar the last Airbender
Avatar the legend of Korra
RWBY
*cough**cough*
>>124096744
Is this bait? Either way, kill yourself.
It blows my mind that there are westaboos who love watching stuff in english with japanese subtitles.
>>124096885
Are you saying anime is the only thing you watch with subtitles?
You watch French or Danish movies dubbed?
How horrifying.
>>124096911
Well besides documentaries and Japanese movies the only foreigne film I can recall off of the top of my head is Old Boy
>>124096975
Well, I'm not going to say you're missing out because that's a completely pointless remark that can be made anywhere and doesn't serve any purpose other than my e-peen, but if you do get the opportunity to watch something that is not in English or Japanese and if you care about spoken language at all, I urge you to go with the original voices.
>>124087989
> Here in America we call them cartoons and comics, and in Japan they call them Anime and Manga
No. No. I used to live in Japan for a few years. i worked with some Japanese, both women and men of varying ages. There is no distinction between the two ASIDE from obvious style choices.
Anime will always be "cartoon" to the normal Japanese folks. Seriously. In a dubbed "Who Framed Roger Rabit" they called Toon Town "Anime Town". They don't fucking care if one show has googly eyes and shiny ass hair and fucking glorious ass and legs and the other has bodies like lumpy ass clay town. IT'S STILL FUCKING CARTOON TO THEM. NOT SOMETHING TO PUT ON A FUCKING PEDESTAL.
It's just dumbass nerds that insist that "anime isn't cartoons there's a difference guys!"
NO. Fuck you. You and your forever unborn wasted children know that anime is literally defined as "animation".
WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE FUCKING DEFINITION OF CARTOON. DON'T FUCKING ACT STUPID.
And what was the point of this thread? You fucking know the answer already: It just so happened that America at this point still want fucking friendly looking ass cartoons for their kids. That, and the fact that cartoons don't get funded enough unless you're the Goddamn Mouse Overlord and even then it's still look like shit because the money has to go somewhere else to fund some rich butt's yacht than to fucking satisfy your goddamn eye buds taste whatever the fuck you called it.
JUST FUCKING ENJOY YOUR JAPANESE CARTOONS. Even if America made some "anime" styled you'd probably complain there's no fucking WAIFU LOLIS and PANTY SHOTS and FUCKING BLOOD GUSHING LIKE A GODDAMN KETCHUP FOUNTAIN IN MCDONALD'S GOD and you won't see them because this is America and there's fucking bat shit crazy parents here.
FUUUUUCCCCKKKK!!!!
America only has shounen/mecha on which to base themselves; no other genre of anime would work. A SoL, for example, wouldn't work in the states because people here expect "le randumb XD" humor. The subtle humor in SoLs would be considered a bit too "dry" for the majority of the American palate.
If you speak purely on terms of animation, I think there have been some successful series that are inspired by Nips. The Avatar series is the first thing that pops to mind. Teen Titans was pretty big. The Boondocks is without a doubt the most interesting show that has received this treatment. RWBY is also pretty big and has a lot of anime tropes, though this is interpolated with American humor and very, very mediocre voice acting, which makes the whole thing rather awkward.
>>124087424
I know a guy who can draw really good pornography "in anime style". In fact there are lots of Americans that can pull it off.
The reason we don't have any decent anime-like art is because no one wants to actually buy any. Weebus are a vocal minority and most of them pirate or stream their anime.
>>124097314
If that is what you truly believe, you are a damned fool.
>>124097340
He meant to say American weaboos.
Anime works fine in Japan because the fanbase is crazy enough to buy merchandise and fund it well in their territory.
Majority of American weaboos won't give a fucking dime. There are only very few willing to do so, and it's not enough to bring that type of funding to create an anime with a caliber compared to Japan's.
Search inside yourself. You know this to be true.
>>124088737
But you are wrong. Gaijin animators do exist & there was already a gaijin mangaka.
>>124094059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1yzoiUIGGs
>>124097663
By otaku pandering.
Getting nips to love a gaijin mangaka via any other means? You might as well start knowing how to do cute moe lolis.
>>124097517
I wouldn't say there isn't a market at all. Much of LWA 2 was funded by westerners on kickstarter.
Is there enough to make as many shows as Japan though? Definitely not. I think it's all because of cultural standards. King of the Hill is basically just an American slice of life show, but the differences are in the cultural context.
>Majority of American weaboos won't give a fucking dime.
I think that might have to do with the fact that most american weebs are weird fucks that happen to be young and poor, but there are definitely quite a few wealthy people purchasing rooms of figmas, manga, and blu-ray sets.
because Americans aren't worked to death like Japanese anime
also americans are autistic so making half ass comedy will always ensure profits, thus they make half ass shit shows as well, which doesnt even need good animation
>>124087424
>we couldn't think of a single American who has successfully crossed over into the Japanese style of animation
Because you're retarded:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Arias
