Is this girl really the comedic, psychotic, sadistic, wall-climbing, duct-tape obsessing, chopstick enthusiast, intellectualand implied physical rapistpeople claim she is ?
I know few individuals in Umineko come off as being paragons of mental health but its said that this one is by far one of the nuttiest (and comical).
Also in relation to the Chiester sisters are they really as dangerous as the series would suggest ?
She's none of that because she's dead.
I want to deito Lucifer.
>>123508320
Are the stakes "furniture" or are they something else ?
Also is Gaap a Touhou reference or are her powers just coincidence ?
>>123508346
Yes, "furniture-level" demons.
As for Gaap, I remember seeing someone say that she was a reference to Touhou, but don't take my word for it.
>>123508016
Psychotic ✓
Sadistic ✓ Masochistic ✓
wall-climbing (in a swimsuit) ✓
duct-tape obsessing ✓✓✓
chopstick enthusiast ✓
intellectual rapist ✓
physical rapist (only on battler) ✓
She's hands down off the rails insane. Not as crazy as that crossdressing lunatic though.
>>123508346
Stakes are paper weights.
Gaap is Yukari.
>>123508484
Forgot about
>Pathetic ✓
>Managed to be btfo by Battler at End's ????? ✓
>Believes in magic ✓
>>123508189
/thread
>>123508189
Can't be dead when she didn't even exist.
>>123508518
>believes in magic
I was talking about Erika son
>>123508540
She drowned somewhere near Rokkenjima near the time of the incident. She definitely existed. Due to the catbox being closed it's possible that she found herself washed up on the island.
>>123508548
Erika believed in Bern.
>>123508484
> That Checklist.
I have to ask myself would anyone be crazy enough to actually marry her.
Even if it is a forced wedding.
> crossdressing lunatic though.
There is actually someone nuttier than Erika ?
>>123508486
> Stakes are paper weights.
As in not that powerful ?
>>123508737
>I have to ask myself would anyone be crazy enough to actually marry her.
>>123508737
I'd marry Erika in a blink.
And the crossdressing lunatic is Yasu/Shannon.
>>123508484
You forgot to add
Pirate ✓
Why is Battler so cool?
>>123508737
As in literally.
>>123508803
Hair and personality. Would love to get drunk with him.
Fucking Kyon!
I wonder if there's a translated version of this.
>>123508895
I wonder if Portopia is fun even if you already know the culprit. Everyone born in the last 20~25 years probably never had the chance to play it without being spoiled first.
>>123509189
Wasn't that game made when Square Enix was just called Enix ?
>>123509266
It was made back in 83, so obviously yes.
>>123508016
She's not nearly as crazy as Lambda
>>123509348
But Takano won almost every time.
>You'll never be as suave as this guy
>You'll never have your own glutton stake
>You'll never be an accomplished chef working for a millionaire family
Why even bother?
>>123509421
Lambda is not Takano. At most it's implied that she was Lambda's piece. What Lambda is referring to is something older than all that anyways. Her diary is very informative about her personality and how lonely she is.
>>123509465
>you'll never be magical gohda chef
Kill me
Every thread until we reach the Golden Land.
It's time to f-f-f-f-f-flip the chessboard
>>123508189
>dead
She not even exist
She's a failed mary sue.
She's both great and not at the same time.
It's quite a feat.
There's not a single thread that doesn't involve Erika. I wonder why.
Hey guys.
Does anybody have an image of the thread some anon posted on /adv/ where he was telling the umineko storyline from Battler's perspective and asked what he should do with a girl in question (Yasu)?
>>123510132
>>123509348
Lambda is not Takano or Miyo.
I wish people would stop thinking this.
Hell, if anything else, she pretends to be Satoko and we all damn well know that Lambda wasn't born from Satoko the same way Bernkastel was born from Rika.
One implied theory people have is that Tohya, while collecting his memories, used his broken mind to make characters for Umineko forgeries ep 3-4 and took the two blonde characters from Higurashi, since Battler mentioned many times that he had read that novel.
Although true, it's not accurate.
Lambda simply pretends to act like a bumbling idiot, similar to Satoko, because she wants to get close to Bern, who's past alteration best friend was Satoko.
Also, Lambda was the one who gave the power of causality and granted the wish to become a god to Takano.
So, you know, you can't really give your past version the motivation to become a god while also being that person who gives that power. It's a impossible paradox.
Higurashi was simply a game between Featherine and Lambda.
Lamda never showed signs of insanity. She's just high on candy and fun.
>>123510226
Holy shit, that's fucking cute.
>>123510048
She's kinda the best thing that happened to Umineko after Beatrice died.
Can you imagine Umineko ep 6 without her?
>>123510227
That comic is a literal quote from the VN
>>123510227
But the forgeries don't include meta-world characters - such as Lamba - do they?
>>123510271
>Can you imagine Umineko ep 6 without her?
Yes.
>>123510447
Then you're really creative, because you must be making a whole new story.
>>123510204
Thanks man
>>123510316
Really? Huh.
I honestly don't remember that quote.
It really sounds like it's from ep 6 (since it's likely about the logic error) but Lambda never showed any mercy in that episode in any way. I might be horribly wrong.
>>123510365
it's assumed so but there is honestly no proof.
We don't know honestly what is written in the forgeries themselves. It's really a triple bind.
I personally think that only the actual physical events are written in the forgeries and everything else is just what the reader can see which characters on the internet can't see.
In ep 6, Ange goes to see Ikuko and tells her to stop using her as a character in her story, referencing ep 4. But I just think it references the parts of Ange's bullying in Lucia academy and ending up on the island and getting ambushed by the yakuza. Especially since the ending is very similar to the truth ending.
>>123510447
Good, now can you imagine ep 6 being enjoyable without Erika?
>>123510530
>Good, now can you imagine ep 6 being enjoyable without Erika?
Well, apparently you think ep 6 is enjoyable with Erika.
>>123510512
Thanks. When I become the wizard of theatergoing I'll post my stories here.
Finally found the quote. Now I have ammo against love advocates.
>>123510615
In order to become a witch, you need to wear a school swimsuit. Can't be a witch without one.
>>123510530
It's when Battler learns he's going to be trapped in the logic error room and there's nothing he can do about it. After failing to help him find any solutions Lambda offers him that tiny bit of comfort of telling her own experiences with it, but it has the opposite effect of showing how crazy it made her and Battler freaks out even more.
God I loved episode 6.
>>123510660
I didn't see Battler with a school swimsuit.
>>123510708
Well, you didn't see him naked either, did you? There are ways to hide it.
>>123510530
Another thing is that I think that the jumping from a high building never actually happened and was simply written by Tohya. It's also why I don't think Ange actually read the diary.
In ep 8, Ange jumps from a building the same way she did in ep 4. If she looks for the truth, she can survive anything, but finding the truth will kill her. Yet, obviously, Ange never jumped at any point and she never talked to Tohya since they only reunite years later. I find it hard to believe Ange would decide not to kill herself when Tohya predicted she would commit suicide.
>>123510621
>anon is an anti-love
Ahhhh, how I wish there were more people like you.
That's the quote from the asshole boyfriend, right?
>>123510740
He's obviously wearing a school swimsuit under his suit.
>>123510660
Great, now I'm imagining Featherine wearing a school swimsuit.
Thank you fucking much for that mental image you asshole.
>>123510848
>That's the quote from the asshole boyfriend, right?
Right
>>123510941
Anyone who can't provide proof or endure Erika isn't worthy of her.
He really just sounds like an asshole who just can't handle her shit for no reason.
>trust me, if you don't I won't love you
>what do you mean you find it hard to trust me, you don't trust me because you don't love me, is that it?
>well fuck you, if you don't love me enough to trust me, then I won't love you too you bitch
Also
>telling your ex that she's a bitch and tell her to go home
>surprised that she's crying and being emotional about it
The fact that there's SO little good Umineko hentai content saddens me greatly.
The only remotely decent thing is an album of the stakes in a rather ecchi poses, and aside from some Ange fucking at the end it features barely any nudity.
All I want is Battler hatefucking Eva, and having a threesome with Beato and Erika, maybe some Lambda and Bern fucking too - all drawn with a mangaka with a decent understanding of anatomy. Is that so much to ask?
>>123511125
I want some good Maria and Rosa threesome.
And someone slapping Maria with their dick as she goes Uuuuu Uuuu
>>123511186
please don't sexualize the maria
>>123511081
After re-reading that scene, the thing is
Erika made him choose between his acting/scriptwriting and her because Erika found evidence against him cheating or something along those lines. I feel like both of them over reacted way more than they should have and that it's really gray on who the responsibility lies.
That doesn't really change my view on her, just that they both were partially at fault and calling your ex a bitch just proves that he didn't love her. Maybe only a 'teenager love' which is probably the most shallow thing.
>>123511200
Weirdly enough, I cannot sexuzality any loli in Ryukishi's stories.
However, I gave so little of a shit to Maria, even though she was constantly bullied, that I'm fine with sexualizing her.
She's the type of girl who would believe you if you said that all her magic spell required cum from the person she loves the most (you) and would do everything in her power to collect as much as possible from you.
Then she would figure out that simply blowing you isn't the most efficient way but to simply receive your cum from the inside, make a magic circle for her incantation and then release the cum from inside of her by pushing it out of her slit.
>>123511377
>this entire post
I should've expected this.
>>123511377
>>123511377
I can sympathize with Maria sometimes (when she's left by herself while Rosa goes to Hokkaido or somewhere to fuck), but sometimes I feel the brat deserves it for being so annoying.
I also really want to re-play Umineko voiced but I hesitate because of her uu-uuing.
>>123511529
Sometimes it's cute, sometimes it's annoying but replaying just for the voices is a great idea as the VA's are all top-notch and save for some scenes where battler tries to bring emotion into scenes where there is none with his yells, I'd say go for it.
>>123511309
I dunno, it really depends what that 'evidence' is.
For all it is, it could simply be Erika's ex going on an acting interview at a restaurant with a girl or something and Erika misinterpreted it as cheating somehow.
>Maybe only a 'teenager love' which is probably the most shallow thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Erika is still pretty young.
>>123511466
You know why compeled me to write that post?
Mydesire.
>>123511529
I like the fact that Maria understands why her mama isn't home and just takes care of herself. It's somewhat sad, seeing a young girl just going about her way, all autistic like with her doll, because she puts the happiness of her mother above her own.
I personally liked Maria and her uu-uuing.
What I found really meh was her 'mature' voice. It sounded more like, well, a mature voice rather than a creepy voice. As though Maria sounded older rather than creepy.
>>123510621
Pretty fucking clear he never loved her at all judging by that.
Poor Erika "With love you start imagining things." she must've imagined that he was always their for her and always so nice to her.
When he wasn't at all.
>>123511682
That's basically how it is when you're in love.
Love is irrational.
>>123510621
Where is this from?
>>123511782
The VN? Ch 6.
Anata...
>>123511982
Don't worry. We got some land on the moon. It's gonna be alright.
otp
>>123511501
One of these days, I'm going to request someone drawing a good image of that.
>>123512163
Erika didn't say it in red, I cast blue doubt!
>>123512235
Anon waved his hand dismissively.
Blue doubt was not very effective!
>>123512528
Grrr.
I demand a red truth!
>>123508016
I love when they cry for this
I can relate to most characters
>>123512615
Speaking of relating.
While my mother isn't as coo coo for cocopuffs as Rosa is, she's still a single mother that had to raise me alone and I can kinda empathize with Rosa and what she had to go through in order to raise Maria.
I was wondering if anyone else was in the same boat.
>>123512731
I was. And she was also an abusive bitch who was a control freak and went hysteric nuts if she thought I don't love her and support her enough.
>>123512731
Rosa and Eva had it the hardest imo.
Eva was incredibly talented and smart but was forced to simply being a housewife and Rosa was not very talented in anything even though she tried her hardest to be successful and a single mistake set her back so much.
Rosa really reminds me of Rena's mother except without the adultery.
>>123511200
>>123510660
>This will never happen
Who should I be angry at for this?
>>123513152
>flipping the chessboard like fucking fist of north star
Gets me every time.
>>123513198
I love rifyu's Erika.
>>123513427
You should be angry at these faggots.
>>123513427
Write a fanfic. That's the whole 'moral' of Umineko.
"Don't like it? Just write a fanfic and call it head canon" - Featherine
>>123513491
Yup. Me too
>>123513491
>>123513646
Are you the guy that just reads Rifyu's stuff without having read umineko?
Erikas breasts are a mystery. Sometimes they're small, sometimes they're big.
>>123513685
Those people don't exist.
I want to have sex with Furudo Erika.
>>123513750
They kinda grew in the manga.
Ep 5, iirc, had near flat and then by the end, she had actual breast.
>>123513843
I want to intellectually rape Erika and place her in a logic error.
>>123513782
a witch made it happen.
>>123513902
Now that's cruelty on the highest order.
>>123513942
>Not a lifeguard
>Not a professional swimmer
Get your mind out of the gutter Erikamom
Still the best episode.
>>123508016
Posting best Seacat.
>>123513852
How does it feel knowing that Bernkastelisn't real?
>>123513979
Not if you tenderly love her while she struggles to get out of the logic error.
Would that be (physical) rape, though?
>>123514031
You don't understand, she *only* has school uniforms. If Erika was a lifeguard, she would wear a red and white swimsuit, not a school swimsuit.
And what kind of professional swimmer wears a school uniform to train? That's the least practical outfit to wear.
This of it this way, the only people who wear school uniforms are those who go to school. However, Erika likely never went to school because she feels superior to any form of education of any kind.
Now imagine Erika, walking down the street, only wearing a school uniform. What would think of such a person?
Now imagine Erika, at a street corner, at night, only wearing a school uniform. What would you think of such a person?
>>123514121
It gives me warm feeling of bliss and joy.
>>123514132
>tenderly loving her
>not mocking her every step of the way and rubbing it in each time she fails.
>Krauss and his ridiculous investments spinoff vnwill never happen
>>123514398
Will we ever see flags on space ship food?
>>123514398
Imagine that spin-off written by Isuna Hasekura.
>>123514398
reminds me of that one Stockbroking VN by the guy who made S&W
>>123514285
Think* of it this way
>>123514517
>>123514509
Oh shit nigga. Isunamind
>>123514454
No because WTC 5 never;_;
>>123514285
She's a working girl, right?
>>123514615
She's not a thinking girl, that's for sure. So a working girl is the only thing left for her.Why is bullying Erika so much fun?That image is my favorite.
>>123514743
>bullying
>>123514879
Why is Ryukishi so obsessed with bullying?
>>123514925
Because it's so much fun.
>>123514925
Because everyone experienced bullying in one form or another.
Do you remember that time someone threw you a piece of their eraser?
Do you remember the feeling of being absolutely powerless, just holding yourself back as a person constantly annoyed you?
Do you remember the feeling of the balls of erasers, hitting the back of your head?
>>123514879
>>123514925
>>123514979
>>123515070
So, this is the latest Novel that Ryukishi's been working on?
>>123514121
I saw her in a dream and after that I am convinced she is real
she exists forever in the world of ideas, which, according to plato, are more real then matter
>>123515242
No. The one he's working on now is Trianthorogy, together with Tonokawa Yuuto and Tanaka Romeo.
>>123515242
No you pleb, that's higanbana
new is something about alice in the wonderlando
>>123515242
Nah. The latest one that is finished is RGD - Rose Gun Days.
The one he announced at april 1 is, well >>123515320
what this anon said. Also he confirmed it with red truth, so it's not an april fools.
>>123510365
No they 99% likely don't.
In Episode 4 when the message bottles are brought up,all that's talked about is the events on the island. Nothing about any "game" between Battler and Beatrice.
>>123514925
>bullying
>>123515242
Nah, that came out in 2011.
RGD is his lastest completed work.
The last portion work is 100% translated and 60% edited.
>>123515320
I'm still unsure if that's true or an April fools but it's likely true.
Although I was skeptical about it, he seems to be working with competent writers so it might be good.
>>123515418
What the fuck is going on in that image?
>>123515513
God damn it Tomitake, this is not the 1930's.
>>123515513
He made another update on twitter yesterday saying that he had more announcements about TRT to come soon. Pretty sure it's safe to believe it's not april fools.
>>123513491
He's great. Too bad he's stopped with Umineko.
>>123515513
Definitely real. He confirmed it with red.
Man
George + Shannon and Jessica + Kanon are such unintereting pairings. Biggest chore in the VN
>>123515418
First Rifyu to make me laugh.
>>123515783
The deaths and their reactions were always the best.
Baaaaaaaaaa~
>>123515348
>>123515513
>>123515320
>>123515364
Thanks for the clarification:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higanbana_no_Saku_Yoru_ni
>>123515418
Also
>Ange's confession
The first time reading, I didn't really understand what she did but after a reread, it's pretty sad.
How broken do you have to be to acknowledge to the class that you are a worthless human being?
Though, to be fair, if you were the one who forced that person to be that broken and confess like that in front of you, you'd have a hard bully boner.
>>123515721
Awesome.
He was probably insanely busy trying to get everything done for Sui. I wonder if he'll release
>>123515783
Welcome to bullshit love, where people fall in love not because they are a good match but because they want to feel loved.
Shannon only loved George because she was crushed by being forgotten by Battler.
George loved Shannon because that was the absolute best he could get. He had less of a spine than a fucking servant girl who couldn't talk back to someone.
Jessica only loved Kanon because he was the only one around and she desperately wanted someone.
And Kanon only loved Jessica so that he could become a human rather than furniture, even if he knew it was an illusion, he accepted that pretending it was real was better than simply rejecting love altogether.
Say what you will about Umineko, Ryukishi's multiple depiction of love was absolutely perfect.
There is about 9 different versions of love and none of them are similar.
>>123515995
Also, what I love about Ryukishi is that even though he presents the reasons people fell in love to be insanely shallow, as it is in real life. he makes it a point that even though his characters fell in love for non-romantic reasons, you cannot dismiss that they are in love as we understand it.
You can dismiss the reasons for being in love but not love itself.
I find this very cynical and optimistic at the same time.
>>123515783
It's a shamethat Kanon and Shannon were the same personwho was born out of incest between Kinzo and his hidden daughter, Beatrice the 2nd and therefore, the one impersonating the Golden Witch and committed those murders on the island
>>123516178
>not believing in Rosatrice
>>123516178
Why did Kanon want to stop murder from happening if they are a single person?
Why was Shannon cool with murder happening if she doesn't exist?
How can a human ever fool someone by having two perfectly separate voice that fooled everyone?
How and where did Shannon get fake tits?
>>123516121
The message of Umineko is basically "The world sucks, but try and be happy anyways."
>>123516378
If you still think that's true in The Year of Our Lord 2015 then I just pity you.
>>123516394
Isn't that what it pretty much is?
>>123516512
I don't, I believe in multiple truths, but it's a possible way to make Kanon and Shannon different people.
>>123516384
Those are forgeries, we don't know what really happened on the island
here
we
go
>>123516384
>Why did Kanon want to stop murder from happening if they are a single person?
>Why was Shannon cool with murder happening if she doesn't exist?
It's called internal conflict.
>How can a human ever fool someone by having two perfectly separate voice that fooled everyone?
Dress differently, speak differently, etc. It's not like it hasn't happened irl.
>>123516330
You know what would be hilarious?
If one person just went up in flames, for no fucking reason, yet would get no degree burns.
Like, that person would still feel pain and burn alive, but wouldn't die nor be able to move around.
And the only way to stop the pain is to touch someone else.
I call it the Fire Tag.
So you would have the Ushiromiya running around the island with a man person on fire trying to catch them so stop burning.
How awesome would that be?
>>123516394
That's one of the themes, yes.
But, you know, even if you try and be happy, delusions isn't healthy. Which is funny because in Higanbana, with the actor story, he makes it a point that if delusions are the only thing that is keeping you from committing suicide, it's preferable to do that than lose your life.
>>123516564
Yes we do.
>>123516624
would still be able to move around despite the pain of being on fucking fire*
>>123516662
do tell
>>123516694
Remember the EP7 Tea Party? Where Rudolf and Kyrie killed everyone?
That's what happened.
>>123516662
If we do, how come people still can't figure that out?
>>123516694
Kyrie kill everyone, stop thinking.
Nothing you read mattes.
Can't you see the obvious? It's in front of you!
You don't need to think about any plot detail in that regards since Kyrie killed everyone and nothing else is impotant.
>>123516605
Is that image from the manga? I don't remember seeing it. That expression, holy shit.
>>123516759
Why is Erika so sensual?
>>123516802
She's perverted as fuck.
>>123516755
>If we do, how come people still can't figure that out?
Stupidity or willful ignorance.
Or trolling.
>You don't need to think about any plot detail in that regards since Kyrie killed everyone and nothing else is impotant.
You're in the second or third categories is seems.
>>123516831
Yet you still can't answer where Shannon got fake tits in ep 7's tea party.
>>123516869
She got them in a store I fail to see how her shopping trips are in any way needed to be explained.
>>123516911
Maybe a witch gave it to her!
>>123516759
The manga appears to be a gold mine of odd expressions.
>>123516755
>Kyrie kill everyone, stop thinking.
>Nothing you read mattes.
>
>Can't you see the obvious? It's in front of you!
>You don't need to think about any plot detail in that regards since Kyrie killed everyone and nothing else is important.
Oh look, it's one of those Goats that everyone hates.
>>123517014
Sarcasm pierces the heart.
>>123517014
He doesn't think about what Kyrie being the main killer means for the story from a thematic and dramatic level.
Not to mention ignoring the foreshadowing that lead to the reveal.
>>123516966
>>123516966
And both Erika and Bern have the best ones.
>>123517092
And then there is this expression.
I know there is a spider-pig parody joke here somewhere but I can't find it.
>>123517168
Spiderika Spiderika, does whatever a Spiderika can.
>>123517168
>>123517081
>Not to mention ignoring the foreshadowing that lead to the reveal.
>foreshadowing
That's a laugh.
Oh, you mean Rudolf saying that he doesn't want to cross Kyrie after she only suggests the idea of blackmailing Krauss?
Or the meta scenes that never happened in which Kyrie is cool with killing people like flying stakes or Jessica?
The Kyrie and Rudolf culprit murder is simply the popular goat theory in the post-Prime world that tormented Ange since her youth.
It's false, and Ryukishi showed it when Erika came back in ep 8 to destroy it, stating that 'another answer' can be made.
And we all know Ryukishi loves to tease yet provides no answers.
But, you know, obviously the answer is the one all the goats agree.
>>123517318
Also, the Kyrie + Rudolf culprit theory is the most popular theory among goats.
Bernkastel is the collective representation of the mystery fans trying to find the answer on Prime.
In ep 8, Tohya makes a board game for Ange which gets hijacked by mystery fans who are bored of waiting for Tohya to come back.
So two forgeries are posted on the internet and Ange doesn't know which is the real one.
What's interesting is the whodunnit of the Bern mystery. It's the same Kyrie + Rudolf culprit killer but with Battler in the mix.
The mystery fans simply cannot think of another possible theory.
Now, I'm not taking sides here, but I'd just like to point out that I think that using the manga only content in arguments is a sort of a cheap shot. While certainly valid since it's official and that I'm not siding with anyone here, but I just wanted to point that out.
>>123517318
>Oh, you mean Rudolf saying that he doesn't want to cross Kyrie after she only suggests the idea of blackmailing Krauss?
Yes that shows how ruthless she is and how Rudolf will just go along with her plans.
>Or the meta scenes that never happened in which Kyrie is cool with killing people like flying stakes or Jessica?
Yes because those scenes are meant to reveal aspects of the character. It shows the kind of person Kyrie is. Cold and ruthless.
>It's false, and Ryukishi showed it when Erika came back in ep 8 to destroy it, stating that 'another answer' can be made.
Erika's "other answer" was a pile of crap based off a stupid unsupported technicality in Bern's game?
>And we all know Ryukishi loves to tease yet provides no answers.
You do realize that the contents of Eva's diary have been shown to be the events of the EP7 Tea Party and the truth of the Rokkenjima incident in Red, right?
>>123517463
It's in the manga, man. Just, you know, stop thinking.
Ryukishi got a trillion angry letters from fans bulled out of goat's assholes saying that they really really wanted an answer.
And I'm a good friend of Ryukishi, so at the second trillion letter, he snapped and decided that the manga would give the answer. Because it's OBVIOUS that Ryukishi was coerced by his fans into giving the answer.
Hey nerds, if you know so much about Umineko, then tell me why everyone in the family has weird as fuck names.
>>123517463
>cheap shot
Have you not learned anything?
Did Erika not teach you to think?
Why slice the cheese if you can fold it?
>>123517647
I'd just like to say that the only things the manga revealed that I didn't already know was Kinzo's Skeleton Room and Yasu projecting her attraction to Battler, George, and Jesssca to Kinzo rapimg his daughter.
>>123517720
goddamit I love this game
>>123517738
kinze was obsessed with western shit
literally a japanese version of weeaboo
>>123517738
BecauseDESIRE
>>123517622
A person being shown to be ruthless is not enough to confirm guilt.
You're an idiot. It's quite a leap to say that someone who can make plans for blackmail is also cool with murder.
>Erika's "other answer" was a pile of crap based off a stupid unsupported technicality in Bern's game?
Erika never gave 'another answer', she said another answer CAN be given.
That's Ryukishi basically telling you that if another answer can be given, it's obviously not the right one or else it would be entirely conclusive.
Also, the point I'm making is that goats are all in favor in the theory that Kyrie is the one who killed everyone.
What do you think that means?
>>123517738
Cuz Kinzo's a westaboo.
>>123517778
I'm just sayin
>>123517738
Kinzo's eccentric.
>>123517831
>>123517843
>>123517844
Yeah? Then why did Krauss, Eva, Rudolf and Rosa named their sons and daughters with strange names as well?
Check.
>>123517903
Kinzo was the one who approved the names.
Un-recheck.
>>123517903
>implying that they could decide the names of their children
It's all Kinzo's work, anon.
>>123517844
>A person being shown to be ruthless is not enough to confirm guilt.
But it's enough to foreshadow her performing ruthless acts later in the story.
>>123517950
Not by a longshot. You don't know what foreshadowing even means.
It's as vain as saying that anyone can do anything because money.
I can make the claim that Kyrie was a nice loving person because I can see it with love.
Kyrie, in her final dying words, loved Battler.
A ruthless person wouldn't have given a fuck.
Also, a lot of people like to shit on ''without love it cannot be seen''.
Where's Kyrie's love you hypocrites?
Where are all of you proclaiming that Kyrie was a human and not a mindless psychopath who just killed everyone without a single fuck.
A person who never cared about her daughter and only cared about herself.
A person who didn't even care if her husband died.
Such a lack of love.
Simply to agree to the obvious truth and have a conclusive answer.
>>123518154
>never cared about her daughter
If she hadn't cared, she would've taken Ange with her.
>>123518040
>It's as vain as saying that anyone can do anything because money.
Yes they would. Because the Ushiryomia adults were terrible people.
Krauss was an incompetent embezzler, Natsuhi murdered a woman and attempted to murder a child. Eva was a passive aggressive sarcastic backbiter. Hodeyoshi enabled Eva's behavior. Rudolf was just a sleazy piece pf crap who just went along with his wife. Kyrie was an obsessive sociopath from a Yakuza family.Rosa was The Worst Mother. Oh yeah and Kinzo was a murderer and rapist.
>>123517939
>>123517948
>implying Kinzo would approve a name like Maria
>>123518299
It's western enough.
Where the fuck is Will and his bullshit Hart shit wit Kyrie?
You faggots love to preach about Shannon's heart or everyone else's heart.
But Kyrie? Fuck that.
>>123518233
Exactly.
Even more proof of Kyrie showing compassion.
>>123518272
Without love, only the worst traits are seen.
You are ignoring the heart.
The Ushiryomia family are dicks but they are still human.
To simply see them by their worst traits is inhumane and wrong.
>>123518299
Isn't Maria a saint name or something?
>>123518154
I can understand Kyrie's frustrations with her relationship with Rudolf because really, the man's a slut.
"Having love" in Umineko means understanding their mindset and circumstances. It doesn't mean excusing their sins
>>123518319
What about Battler then?
>>123518457
That's Ryukishi's way of saying Battler will endure hardships.
>>123518432
What sins has Kyrie committed you assface?
You damn hypocrite seem to be cool with understanding the mindset of Shannon yet will push Kyrie under the bus because of 'foreshadowing' with her simply being the one to plan a blackmail.
Kyrie had no frustrations with Rudolf once Asumu died. That's a thing of the past.
>>123518457
I don't remember anyone else called Battler in anime or manga, so I guess Kinzo just wanted to have someone with a cool name which includes battle, I don't know. Better than Fighter, atleast.
>>123518597
>Ushiromiya FAITAAAAAAAAAA
>>123518357
>Even more proof of Kyrie showing compassion.
You do realize that if Kyrie not taking Ange to the conference is ""compassion" that means she knew that a murder was going down that day.
>>123518581
>What sins has Kyrie committed you assface?
Wellll she did murder at minimum Natsuhi, Gohda, and Jessica. That's just the ones we're directly shown on screem
>>123518678
>You do realize that if Kyrie not taking Ange to the conference is ""compassion" that means she knew that a murder was going down that day.
It's still better to leave her home to live rather than taking her to Rokkenjima, to get killed.
>>123516605
>>123518646
cackle
How can George be fat if he can jump around kicking Gaap like it's nothing?
>>123518678
>she knew a murder was going down that day
Are you stupid?
She didn't bring Ange because she was sick.
Goddamn fucking idiot.
It's the other way around you fucking idiot.
If I didn't give a fuck about my daughter and knew there would be a murder, I would have brought her to the island and gotten her potentially killed.
What fucking proof do you have that Kyrie even knew about anything.
Goddamn it, you fucking goat idiot.
Even in ep 7, shit happened at goddamn random. Kyrie started killing somewhat by accident, not because she knew there would be murder or because she premeditate it.
>Wellll she did murder at minimum Natsuhi, Gohda, and Jessica.
That's not a sin you fuckface.
I meant outside of ep 7 and before the events on Prime.
>>123509903
Clarification: Furudo Erika did exist as a living human being but the Furudo Erika we see on the island is not the same Furudo Erika but a conveniently created plot-instrument. She does not have the same personality or background or anything similar to that, she was just created on the base assumption that she may have ended up on the island. Which means the Furudo Erika we know does not exist. She is just a fake replica.
>>123518852
Because unlike his colossal weight, the fight was an illusion.
>>123518889
Prove it, faggot. Oh wait, you can't. Welcome to Umineko. Erika exists.
>>123518852
It's magic, shit never happened.
George simply waited for the culprit and got shot in the face.
>>123518933
She exists and does not exist at the same time.
>>123518889
You can't actually prove that their personas are different at all.
>>123518973
She exists and exists at the same time, anon.
Something I don't understand here; which interpretation does R07 use in the story, the collapse of the wave function or the many world theory?
>>123518991
>She exists and exists at the same time
Woah.
>>123518978
There is a chance. A million in one. A miracle if you'd like.
I can't believe there are still people who think Kyire didn't do it.
So is this furniture right here any good ?
Also outside of eliminating things what do they even do in the series ?
>>123518991
It's almost like she super-exists.
>>123519037
Did you take anything away from Umineko?
>>123519048
They're good at being useless.
>>123519048
Comedic relief.
>>123519066
Ignore goats, anon.
>>123519013
Let make break it down for you.
The only things that happened post-Prime is ep 6 with Ange meeting Ikuko and ep 3 with Eva dying and giving Ange the ring.
Along with the ????? ending with Ange meeting Tohya.
Everything else is simply story within the forgery or meta that did not happen.
>>123508016
She's MC's alt ego.
>>123519048
They comfort Maria. Before one is destroyed by Rosa at least.
>>123519048
They symbolize the rifles.
>>123519135
No they don't
>>123519113
She's not. You've already been proven wrong in the past.
>>123519037
Ange never read the diary just as much as Ange jumped off a building and died.
It's simply what Tohya feared would happen.
>>123519108
What does it have to do with quantum mechanics?
Is Erika an extension of Ange's personality?
>>123519066
More then you did.
What happened on Rokkenjima is far less important then the circumstances that lead up to it, the emotions of all involved, and the reactions after the event.
>>123518878
>Goddamn it, you fucking goat idiot.
This has got to be the most ironic post /seacats/ has ever seen.
>>123519135
They symbolize Maria's bunnies.
>>123519208
See pic related.
>>123519224
No.
If Ange seeks the truh, she will simply be a pawn, a piece if you will, of the mystery fans who also want to find out the truth, much like what Erika is to Bernkastel.
This is why Ange sees a meta image of Erika in the Truth end.
I believe in magic
>>123519324
It's not real you moron.
>>123519244
That's fair enough. I kind of wrongly inferred the kind of other ideas you'd have about Umineko from your post. I apologize.
>>123519340
Stop trying to destroy Maria's dreams!
>>123519292
>They symbolize Maria's bunnies.
They're both.
>>123519418
Her sweet and plush bunnies.
I just want to caress them and pet them all day.
I want to make sure I see them grow say after day.
I recently picked up the manga and finished EP1. It reminded me of the significant number of times George and co would bring up the idea of creating an alternate personality when talking about Maria. It all makes sense now - it was some juicy foreshadowing.
>>123519497
Krauss actually said that Kinzo is dead and all that remains is his something something
>>123519497
No, actually, you're wrong.
That's simply psychology.
People show different versions of themselves around others.
You don't act the same with your family as you do when you're with friends.
You don't act the same way at school the same way when you are alone.
Get some Jung up in that shit.
>>123519600
>you're wrong
I never even included my own interpretation of anything, I merely said what was in the vn.
Reminder that Lambda is confirmed to be real during the Confessions chapter of the Manga.
>>123519702
Meh, alright, sorry.
>>123519737
Of course she's real.
The same way 'God' gave Miyo the will to reach her dream.
>>123519737
Is that it? That page is supposed to prove her existence?
>>123519074
>>123519096
So this depiction is accurate then ?
I at least expected 00 to be epic if the other 3 weren't.
>>123519891
The entire chapter is completely raw and bare of any embellishment and fantasy. Then, at the end, as Sayo is writing her stories Lambda shows up.
Obviously it means that "higher" beings like Lambda and Bern are real.
>>123519976
>bunnies
>epic
They're rapist. Didn't you read Higanbana?
>>123519976
Ep 1, 2 - Stakes
Ep 3, 4 - Chiesters
Ep 5, 6 - Let it be known sisters.
