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The deaths of OVAs was the greatest tragedy that ever happened to anime.
This has nothing to do with being nostalgic about the past. OVAs were a superior platform for high quality animation all around; they didn't have any censorship, their budgets were higher, the target audience was more mature, etc. They were for REAL fans of animation. It's a very sad thing that they have been relegated to just being complementary episodes nowadays.
Theatrical releases were always the best actually
>>122692934
true
>>122692993
I dunno, the OVA format allowed for longer stuff and less censorship.
>>122692993
You can't fit whole series into just a couple of hours though (fuck Berserk for thinking otherwise). OVAs were superior for that.
You can probably blame Eva for this, as well as most other things that are shit about anime today
>>122693049
>>122693081
There are still many anime movies that are far superior in every respect to any OVA or TV show thoguh
There are still OVA series from time to time. But yeah the format is very good, see Yamato 2199. You can show anything there and you have a higher budget.
>>122693196
Can you show girls' naked pussies
>>122693086
Explain further
>>122693160
Care to name some? Genuinely interested.
>>122693264
>Care to name some? Genuinely interested.
Try films from Isao Takahata, Hayao Miyazaki, Mamoru Oshii, Katsuhiro Otomo, Mamoru Hosoda and Satoshi Kon
digital anime is a mistake.
>>122693049
Honestly, there's tons of violence, nudity and sex in several movies, so I don't see how censorship is much of a problem for them
>>122693264
Before Eva, the only TV series were shonen or comedy whereas mature and violent shows were only released in OAVs
Eva abolished that by being released on TV and being way more violent than every tv anime
>>122693264
>Explain further
It was the first TV anime that did great in video sales, killing the need for OVAs.
>>122693396
A mistake was made
>>122693657
OAV's Jotaro looks ugly
>>122693657
>>122693657
the only particularly bad contrast here is sailor moon, but even she looked like shit most of the time in the original
>>122692993
Limited to 90 minutes technically.
OVAs were the bridge between TV shows and Film. They could be anywhere from 1 single 50 minute episode, to maybe 16 episodes. And they had budgets right between tv and films.
>>122693760
hurr durr
>>122693831
most of that looks kinda crap dude, though I guess it's better than modern Sailor Moon
>>122692934
You forgot to mention the part about how most of them had awful writing and were just vessels for people to try to shove whatever they liked drawing into every episode.
>>122694015
>You forgot to mention the part about how most of them had awful writing
Not all of them. And it's not like TV series can't suffer from bad writing also.
>and were just vessels for people to try to shove whatever they liked drawing into every episode.
What's wrong with this? You don't like the artists taking whatever liberty they want? Why?
>>122693081
A Berserk anime would be great if it were just a 50+ min OVA released every few months and covered absolutely everything in the manga
>>122693086
Eva indirectly started and continue the trend for late night anime
OVA got phased out for late night anime.
>>122693353
Well I've seen films from all of those people and I'm not sure I'd say that there's one single film better than every single OVA
>>122693438
>>122693441
I wasn't really expecting a serious answer, but that definitely makes sense.
>>122693703
I still don't understand why they even bothered with GitS2.0.
>>122695038
Yes, especially when it would have made more sense to make a "Director's Cut" expanded version with maybe 10 more minutes of footage.
>>122692934
> the target audience was more mature
Is this a joke?
Film > 12 episode anime > OVAs > TV
>>122695038
Same reason why they're still pumping out more remakes and video games and iterations of the franchise.
Because GITS babbies will eat it up, if only to compare it to the version they preferred.
>>122692934
I'll bite.
Are there any must-see OVAs from the past? I'm sorry for essentially asking for recs, but I'm just now hearing about OVAs being some sort of special medium so I'm interested.
>>122695187
No, use google you nigger. Or even read the archives which has a million threads on this shit.
DO NOT SPOON FEED THE NIGGER
>>122692934
Yeah, but what if you actually want a conclusion and not just "To be continued" followed by shit sales and a cancellation?
>>122693657
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>>122695141
>12 episode anime
Only that high when established filmmakers do them though
>>122695247
>he thinks this never happens to TV shows
>>122693657
Only actually bad one there is Sailor Moon though.
The JoJo one is extremely cherrypicked and I can say this as someone who has seen the OVA. It looks like shit compared to the current anime.
>>122692934
They realized they could make more money by being cheap and making more until they finally get something that would push the audience's right buttons.
>>>/m/12282257
Since /a/ threads die easily, I made the thread on /m/ so the conversation can continue.
>>122695297
TV anime at least will end after 12 episodes at the earliest. OVA could end in one or two.
The OVAs OP speaks of were products of passion. Passion is almost non existent in the industry nowadays.
>>122695187
Rurouni Kenshin: Tsuiokuhen (Avoid Seisouhen)
Legend of Galactic Heroes
08th MS Team
Tenchi Muyo! (Avoid the third OVA series)
Kyou Kara Ore Wa!!
Golden Boy
Shonan Junai Gumi
Giant Robo
Macross Plus
Memories
Gunbuster
What's the difference between an OAV and OVA??
![normcrop[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2esFKqt.jpg "normcrop[2].jpg")
>>122695547
>hand holding
>thinking Memories is an OVA and not a feature film
>>122695547
>overrated shit, all inferior to many theatrical releases
>>122695581
Same shit different initials. I go with OVA but some people use OAV to be contrarian.
>>122695581
Same shit.
>>122695634
>Falling for bait
You know he included one non OVA to make his list stand out and get people to reply, right?
>>122695634
Kill yourself faggot.
Do you just go around making sure your precious /a/-culture is upheld? Get fucked.
![mpv_ss_Dirty Pair - Flight 005 Conspiracy [OnDeed] [2CFA083B].mkv_00_00_03_00012015-03-18_13'46'52.png](https://i.imgur.com/IdLE9Mh.png "mpv_ss_Dirty Pair - Flight 005 Conspiracy [OnDeed] [2CFA083B].mkv_00_00_03_00012015-03-18_13'46'52.png")
>>122695639
>>122695581
OVA is original. I go with that. OVA is a newer term. And the Nips used it so I'm going with that.
>>122695581
I personally used OAV because it sounds more professional.
Why did they die?
Commercially nonviable or waning interest?
>>122695861
Anno killed it.
>>122695861
Read the thread.
>>122692934
>The deaths of OVAs was the greatest tragedy that ever happened to anime.
They aren't dead
>>122693657
So cherry picked. The Jojo OVA's artist has a nice artstyle, but other than the first OVA the characters look nothing like they are supposed to. The Vanilla Ice episode looks particularly gross, and the Dio episode has everyone looking incorrect. Also, there was a muddy brown/yellow filter on everything.
The new Stardust Crusaders is perfect. Everyone looks nearly exactly the same as they do in the manga, it's colorful as fuck, and the animation is a billion times better than Part 1 & 2's anime. Plus, it gets the tone correct - while OVA was far too serious for it's own good.
>>122695998
>it's own good
>it is own good
>>122693438
>Before Eva, the only TV series were shonen or comedy whereas mature and violent shows were only released in OAVs
>>122695998
>Also, there was a muddy brown/yellow filter on everything.
Almost certain that's the poor DVD transfer. It would look glorious with a proper HD remaster.
>>122695090
>>122695171
>>122695038
To be fair, 2.0 has an HD version of the original film as an extra.
>>122695323
There is two OVA you fucktard.
The TV series is cheap digital shit
>>122696054
Curious about examples to the contrary.
>>122696045
Incorrect use of an intended possessive. Big whoop, shitposter.
>>122695899
>>122695904
I'm not prepared to accept that as a complete answer.
Sure, Eva's serialisation and subsequent popularity is part of the issue, but OVAs can accomplish things that TV series/films cannot due to budget, runtime and/or censorship. What we've seen is a near-complete abandonment of the format though, and Eva alone is insufficient in explaining why the industry moved away from it. At this point OVAs are mainly used for extra screentime when an anime cannot justify additional seasons (see: 90% of them in a given season).
>>122696152
Got you to reply :^)
>>122696090
>The TV series is cheap digital shit
It's all the coloring and some of the cheap backgrounds. It would look great if it were not for the digipaint colors.
>>122695861
It's just shift to night anime, nothing change
>>122696190
Eva really was the sole reason for it's downfall.
>>122696103
Onii-sama e isn't a comedy or a shonen
>>122696259
True: it's a shoujo
>>122696212
That's why 00s OVA is crap too, lazy digipaint
>>122696243
>>122696249
Well, shit.
Thanks.
>>122694860
>>122693086
No. It has more to do with the fact 80's Japan had an enormous economic boom, which recessed greatly in the 90's. In the 80's, studios had money to throw around - which was syphoned into a shitton of OVA'S.
The reason 2000's anime generally looks like trash is because the move to digital was done as a necessity to survive the next recession. It is cheaper, but it looked like shit most of the time. Japan has recovered a bit in recent years, and artists are more skilled with the digital medium, so digital anime actually looks good now.
>>122696297
The animation on the cards is so good I forgot it was animation.
And that guy before was right about that brown/yellow filter throughout the series. But that's just crap dvd source. A remaster would fix all that. It's crazy how good these old shows look in high definition. Really crisp and clear, great colors. They look like brand new shows, but with better coloring.
>>122695547
Shonan Junai ova are fucking TRASH
>>122696291
so?
>>122692934
most OVAs I have seen so far had shit plots and the animation wasn't that good most of the time ( see Lodoss ova)
>>122696522
Lodoss had very detailed character designs, gorgeous backgrounds, shading, etc. You can't have outstanding animation and these things at the same time. You need to direct your budget appropriately. This is what they wanted to direct at.
>>122692934
Iczer was so shit. It wasn't even Zeorymer so bad its good
>>122693831
>all that sameface
>>122697024
It's not shit, just not very good. I posted it because that's where my waifu is from. Her design is just pure sex.
>>122697170
Pretty sure I had her as a waifu first.
anime was good before the waifu meme was invented
>>122696190
>Eva alone is insufficient in explaining why the industry moved away from it.
Eva came too late to really affect anything, it was more riding the wave when it came out and only got popular by chance.
OVA's haven't totally died, we just get television previews now for some and you hefta to go buy the uncensored BDs to get the real deal.
Absolutely despise everything being so pigeon-holed into 12~/24~ episode boxes though.
>>122697410
The source of 'waifu' as we use it is one of the best anime, though.
>>122697535
That's true.
Anime was good before DVD replaced VHS which also just happens to be the time my childhood ended and all hope was lost.
>>122698222
There are more OVAs than ever. Nearly every series has another 1 or 2 OVAs that comes with the BD/DVD. And really, their budgets aren't higher, I've seen enough of these old OVAs on AAA.
>>122700146
thatsthepoint.jpg
>>122697421
>Eva came too late to really affect anything, it was more riding the wave when it came out and only got popular by chance.
kek this is what newfag believe
>Fuuta pinpoints Evangelion as the catalyst for what eventually became the modern industry business model of creating shows that exist as advertisements for their home video release. Eva didn’t just change the perception of anime in the public consciousness, it also sold 1.5 million copies on laserdisc alone, opened the floodgates on shows geared towards otaku, and was instrumental in creating a concept Fuuta refers to as “My Anime”: niche shows with early-morning TV timeslots that shoot to make their money back on home video sales.
>Hiro has to ask: what is moe, exactly? Fuuta answers “there’s no set definition or even accepted premises for what moe is, but that vagueness allows fans to find their own personal definition of moe and go with it.”
>This period also saw the rise of production committees as a means to finance anime, splitting the risk up among a large number of investors, including some -- like financial institutions, banks, and so on -- who never would have been involved in anime production before this point.
http://www.otakuusamagazine.com/Anime/News1/Anime_Real_vs_Dream_InDepth_Review_5316.aspx
>Hiro points out this trend towards a otaku-only subject matter that the fans themselves can’t even define makes anime in general harder to approach and get into, Fuuta points to the industry catch-22: it sells. And if a show somehow gets branded as being not moe? Good luck making your money back.
>>122700185
I'm talking about these old OVAs having no budget.
>>122700344
They used to be better quality than TV series for the most part.
>>122700258
It's a shame because Eva isn't even that good
>>122700459
It's shame you don't know why Eva is good.
>>122700617
No, I know exactly why it's overrated.
>>122696090
1994 literally looks worse in all three of those screenshots. The colors are the only thing it has over the series.
>>122700258
>kek this is what newfag believe
stopped reading there, if you think otherwise you need to get a better view of the industry over eva fanwankers.
