Even they admit it
It takes a ton of work to produce, the market is tiny, and japanese people are absolutely terrible at business.
>>122489551
What is with this "market is tiny" thing? It keeps coming up. Every major network in Japan airs multiple anime a day. BD sales are not the only source of revenue.
>>122489690
The market is japan, and japan is tiny.
>>122489728
but there are otaku all around the world. Surely they are a market waiting to be tapped.
>>122489466
I like how they touch on the whole "don't worry i can make a living out of this anime stuff" but also present the difficulties and the reality of being on the edge of being broke and alone because of it.
every time i watch an episode i'm always left wondering if it was in support of young people joining the industry or against it.
>>122489728
The population of Japan is almost 1/2 the population of the US.
>>122489779
way too much work to pander to a slice of a slice of people in every part of the world.
this is why simulcasts and crunchyroll are a growing thing now.
>>122489779
How many otakus are there that will actually buy anime?
>>122489832
and what percent of that population enjoys anime?
and what percent of that slice has money to buy anime related things to support the industry?
>>122489779
japanese business model for anime is retarded anon, hopefully one day they will get their shit together before the industry completely crashes
>>122489832
Holy shit it's true, what the fuck.
>>122489872
I've been to 3 UNI anime clubs in the course of my schoolwork and only about ~10% of the people attending actually have money that they legitimately spend on legit anime merch. The rest are poor streamfags and fanartfags
>>122489964
>1. China 1,355,692,576
>2. India 1,236,344,631
>3. United States 318,892,103
That's a huge drop off.
>>122489913
The point was that anime that plays during primetime makes serious ad dollars (people don't need to buy anything) and even the late-night content makes the studio some money.ALSO, inb4 streamfag hatred, Crunchyroll has injected a large amount of cash into the industry, and also doesn't depend on merchandise sales. something like 40 shows/season are simulcast and paid for by CR.
>>122489941
I'm preserving my anime collection on M-Discs for the future where anime is a thing of the past and a small subset of children writing a history report on depreciated media come to me for physical sources of this mysterious "animu".
>>122489779
See >>122490046 spoilered section regarding tapping US market.
In short, faggots, if you actually care, shell out $8/mo for a subscription, even if you don't use it on principle and/or prefer BDrip quality.
>>122490160
>if you actually care, shell out $8/mo for a subscription
and how much of that makes it into the pockets of guys like Hiraoka-kun?
cr only funds licensing companies, not anime studios.
>>122490393
http://otakujournalist.com/where-your-crunchyroll-dollars-really-go-an-interview-with-the-ceo/
Believe what you will.
>>122490393
More recent Q&A
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2b26ou/im_kun_gao_the_cofounder_and_ceo_of_crunchyroll/
In any case, publishers pay studios, and have a vested interest in content being created so they can pad those pockets.
>>122490046
It didn't save the only thing I cared about from having no budget, so there's no point in me doing that now.
>>122490393
Seiyuu leech as much or more money from production as licensing companies.
>>122490587
Yeah you stay there you fucking faggot.
>anything said in shirobako
>relevant or remotely close to reality
HAHA
>>122490828
Didn't see that coming. First time on leddit via google search for that CEOfag. Not like I need to justify my shit to you faggot.
>>122490828
>deflects guilt over being a leech
>>122490587
I know you're a shill, but any economic model that is focal to the role of the middle-man in receiving and distributing the industry's capital is a bad one for that industry and its content producers. The publisher has no reason or incentive to pass its increased capital onto the studios it contracts, so they see no direct benefit. Rather, it uses that money and invests it externally, diversifying itself rather than putting capital back into its primary industry. Furthermore, if that improved bottom line takes a hit (say, CR's subscription-base drops and they pay for fewer shows in a season), the publisher recoups its losses by reducing the amount of money it puts into the industry in order to mitigate the loss of growth that will appear to its investors.
Funding 3rd-party goons like CR does not benefit the industry, and in the long term only harms it.
>>122489779
>but there are otaku all around the world.
Outside of Japan, and even within Japan, anime is plagued by rampant piracy. Companies like CR, Funi, etc. only pay one off license fees for shows and recoup their losses through sub fees. The only streaming service that actually constantly gives back to studios is Daisuki, and that's because its shareholders are several major Japanese companies who have a vested interest in keeping their shit in their own hands.
A global otaku market means nothing when the majority of said market prefer illegal means.
>>122490930
So what's your proposed solution? Set up a Patreon for each and every anime studio?
>>122490930
Rationalize more.
>doesn't buy anything
>doesn't pay for anything
>justifies it because middlemen
Like every fucking form of entertainment doesn't have all the same forces at play. Netflix and Hulu are the same to Hollywood and they're glad to get the $ too.
>>122491018
Don't do anything.
>>122491018
make a walking billboard anime like tiger and bunny.
>>122490981
I wonder; do animation studios see any profit from the subscription that the average consumer pays for their television service to watch that anime?
Because if not, then the distinction between downloading or streaming an episode illegally and watching it legally on television is pretty minor. It just comes down to the fact that the pirate has an ostensibly permanent copy for rewatching, as well as convenience.
>>122490981
Probably doesn't help when the alternative is amazoning expensive DVDs.
>>122490930
He's a shill that was lurking /a/ waiting for a post on Shirobako's commentary on the anime industry so he could convince a bunch of NEETs to spend money they don't have.
>>122491098
Profit, who knows, but they see revenue. How much depends on how many times it's streamed.
>>122490981
Because anime producers make little, no, or shitty attempts to reach an international market.
The anime industry is such a horrible place.
>>122491098
Assuming it works like everything else, then they only get their share if they're in the production committee.
>>122491018
The solution is simple; buy what is worth buying, don't by what isn't. If you really want to support the industry in the most direct way possible, import BDs and related merchandise.
People who watch anime on tv don't benefit the anime industry whatsoever. Streaming or downloading your anime isn't particularly different in that regard. Buy something when you believe it is worth buying and want your money to support the industry. You're not harming the industry by not paying to watch cartoons that can be legally watched without paying. That's just a silly notion CR shills parade around to bait you gullible fucks.
Hopefully understanding how the industry works, and how unpleasant the conditions can be will inspire some folks to actually import those expensive BDs, because frankly they're worth it, and the best way to show your gratitude and support. But you do not owe anyone anything for watching chinese cartoons on your computer.
>>122491208
I'm sure that if they improved the workplace quality we could get better stuff out of anime. Unfortunately, I doubt they'll ever do it.
>>122491239
It's simple economics. Anybody making money off anime has a vested interest in anime being made, and so they part with just enough cash to keep the spice flowing. It's the same as everything else.
>>122491297
This just makes no sense. No money is better than some money from a source I don't approve of.
Be honest, do people even buy anime BDs anymore?
>>122491117
Japan doesn't really have social welfare, so they're not really NEETs who buy this shit.
>>122491297
What about merch? That's more jusifiable than expensive BDs I won't watch because pirated encodes are better.
>>122491414
I've set aside $500 or so for this season's BDs.
>>122491425
We're talking about /a/merican NEETs.
But http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_in_Japan#Public_assistance
>>122491454
I would assume merch has some benefit, but I honestly don't know how direct a benefit it is or who the money is going to with regards to it. At the very least, you can't go wrong with buying merch that you want.
>>122491297
I can't support good anime if no good anime is made first.
>>122490981
>Companies like ..only pay one off license fees
Objectively not true according to articles posted ITT.
>>122491537
If that's your issue then don't buy, it's that simple. You don't owe it to anybody to throw money at a product you don't find worthwhile.
>>122491484
Which isn't much at all. It's typically geared towards the ageing population, not NEETs or anyone who is technically able.
>>122491571
>articles
>reddit AMA
>>122491208
>The anime industry is such a horrible place.
And shirobako is making it even worse, cause people now think it's a fucking piece of cake
>>122491367
You're giving significantly more money to the industry with merchandise than by buying streaming services. Buy merchandise and don't waste it on shitty middlemen.
>>122491651
oh man, just imagine the overworked animators whit shitty wages working behind it, i can almost taste that irony
>>122491571
>>122491624
The standard is something called a "minimum guarantee" of $1-2k per episode and then a per-stream share of a $1-2 bucks.
>>122491688
It's two separate issues. Buy merch or don't, get your content free or pay a nominal fee for it.
>>122491753
>$1-2 bucks.
I doubt they're getting anywhere close to that per stream. The share will probably be like 0-2 cents.
>>122491651
It's a studio being paid by the government to essentially create propaganda pieces. "Look at these wonderful Japanese cultural institutions! What a great place to live or visit!"
Meanwhile anyone who's there for a length of time greater than a week realizes how fucking miserable it is for everyone, doubly so for anyone not a pureblood japanese male.
>>122491651
It's done a pretty good job of making it seem shitty, that's why this topic even emerged in the first place. It's one thing to read some bullshit article complaining about the conditions, it's another entirely to see a cute anime girl eat bland curry in her ratty, rundown apartment with no shower and cry over her desk at work because she can't draw cats fast enough.
If anything, Shirobako made me realize that BDs are worth buying for those hidden gem shows that I really enjoy and appreciate.
>>122491208
aren't places like madhouse, bones, and ufotable somewhat okay? Could just be saving face in public but i recall staff interviews for Fate/zero saying that the workplace atmosphere was pretty good.
Then studios like madhouse and bones don't have to completely rely on otaku sales.
What does it take for an adaption to actually get budget?
Less popular things aren't worth the investment. More popular things shouldn't need to be good to sell.
Following that logic, how is the industry suppose to survive?
>>122490160
>BDrip quality
Go get a trial at CR and, assuming you have a 5Mb connection, do a side-by-side compare of their 720p with your BD release.
>>122491863
You have the right attitude. Ultimately, the viewer has the option of being a patron by actually purchasing the BDs of a show. That's how you provide support and show appreciation.
>>122491883
Does the word exposure mean nothing to you?
How do you think popular things end up getting popular?
>>122491098
>It just comes down to the fact that the pirate has an ostensibly permanent copy for rewatching
You mean the ENTIRE CONCEPT OF OWNERSHIP?
Yep, just a little thing
>>122491826
The middle man thing. Probably more like 10% trickles to the studios. That's not zero. CR has like 500k subscribers.
>>122491914
>still trying this hard
Nobody is taking you seriously, CR. You're way too obvious.
>>122491968
>speaks for /a/
>>122491877
>Then studios like madhouse and bones don't have to completely rely on otaku sales.
That's dependent on the anime, not the studio.
>>122491925
If the anime is shit, it fails to give the source material exposure.
>>122491859
>It's a studio being paid by the government to essentially create propaganda pieces.
[Citation needed]
>>122491914
>assuming you have a 5Mb connection
Who literally doesn't have a 10Mb or more connection these days? It's not 2007 any more.
![[HorribleSubs] Military! - 02 [720p].mkv_snapshot_02.13_[2015.02.25_17.33.36].png](https://i.imgur.com/11akBX7.png "[HorribleSubs] Military! - 02 [720p].mkv_snapshot_02.13_[2015.02.25_17.33.36].png")
>>122491914
oh yeah, real quality broadcasting here.
ITT: Faggots who wouldn't know what to do without HorribleSubs complaining about Crunchyroll.
>>122492044
>Who literally doesn't have a 10Mb or more connection these days?
The average American.
>>122492112
CrunchyRoll, and by extension, HorribleSubs have done a pretty fucking good job of killing fansubbing.
>>122492112
Only because CR has almost killed fansubs, for better or worse.
>>122492075
I usually go nyaa but when I want to see an episode or two of what's new this season I pull up the app on my smart tv and the quality is pretty solid.
>>122491688
>[citation needed]
I see this argument thrown around a lot and I actually think it's important, but no one ever posts sources.
>>122492139
http://www.netindex.com/download/2,1/United-States/
>>122492165
>>122492177
TLs getting paid, fuck that shit.
>>122491956
>pay for a television and TV subscription
>experience initial viewing of an anime without any additional fees, no money goes towards the studio
>buy the BDs if I enjoyed my initial viewing and want to spend money to support the creators
vs
>pay for a computer and internet subscription
>experience initial viewing of an anime without additional fees, no money goes towards the studio
>buy the BDs if I enjoyed my initial viewing and want to spend money to support the creators
There isn't much of a significant difference. A tv-based viewer can still create a permanent copy with any of the numerous pieces of recording software that are commercially available and perfectly legal.
>>122492165
>>122492177
Fansubbing deserved to die.
>>122492044
I don't.
When will Ema shiro Ai's bako?
>>122492232
>pay for a television and TV subscription
>experience initial viewing of an anime without any additional fees
Huh? TV apps/subscriptions do have fees, and some little bit does go to creators. CR, Netflix, whatever.
>>122492182
Not him, but I sometimes watch CR on my XB1 and the quality certainly isn't horrible.
Being watchable does not mean the best, though. A BD will always look better than something streamed because of better encoding, source and no chance of the inconsistencies of the Internet possibly fucking things up. It's like why people use MPC-HC and madVR to watch over VLC. VLC is watchable, but people want better, even if its subtle or nearly imperceivable.
>>122492182
>I pull up the app on my smart tv
gross
>>122492289
>That pic
>My dick
Anon pls I was about to go to bad
>>122492391
>notalwayshuddled over jizz-covered pc in bedroom next to bottles filled with piss.
>gross
>>122492433
that's some heavy level projection there.
>>122492493
Not denying it. But I also have a smart tv in my living room.
>>122492528
>having more than one room
fucking capitalist pigs
>>122492298
I'm talking about actual television, shillnon, not your streaming tripe. Unless you're trying to watch a premium of PPV channel, there's no additional cost associated with watching anime on television after you've paid your actual television subscription. Your 'little bit' goes to the middleman that you acquire the license through. The creators see none of it.
The point I was trying to make this that being readily viewable for no additional cost is the primary business model of the industry. Producers pay to have their anime aired on a certain timeblock which they generate no direct revenue from. The vast majority of consumers of anime experience it through their television in its airing timeslot, and legal means of producing a permanent copy of that television broadcast for personal use are common and widely available (it's even how most raws are created). There is no ethical dilemma here, and it;s absurd to imply there is some degree of ethical dilemma associated with viewing anime for free online when viewing anime for free on a television is perfectly acceptable.
Nobody owes the industry your shitty little subscription to your shitty little streaming site because they like anime, and people who actually want to support the industry they love have much better and more direct means of doing so, just as domestic television viewers do.
So CR get shows for free or what? why are people saying the creators get nothing?
>>122492596
>anime on basic television
What country do you live in?
>>122492625
Because they're rationalizing being hypocrites about pirating anime and then complaining about how broke the industry is.
>>122492528
do you piss in bottles while you watch your smart tv?
>>122492596
>owes
What in the actual fuck are you talking about? You're kind of a full-on faggot, aren't you?
>shitty little .. site
>on /a/
Does anyone have that chart containing all the bako's vaginas?I need it for reasons.
>>122492704
No because when no one is home I don't mind using the bathroom.
>>122492625
They're saying that you are not really contributing much, if anything at all. CR have already paid for shows by the time you watch them and are just getting their money back through you and ad revenue.
Plus you're not supporting the shows you like; you're supporting Crunchy Roll and everything they license. Great if you like everything. Not so great if there's one series you really like and would like to support, where it's better to buy BDs.
>>122492664
Yeah that is what I get from reading those wall of texts, right now I just buy manga directly from Japan, I don't have a CR subscription as I get my shit from nyaa
>>122492766
Once fucking again, faggot, they pay per stream also.
So you ARE supporting the shows you like.
>>122492625
They don't deal with the production studio directly, and instead license through a 3rd-party, usually a publishing company. That 3rd party has no legal obligation or economic incentive to pass any of that money back to the studio that produced the license being bartered, and traditionally none of that money ends up trickling back into the animation-side of the industry as a whole.
It's not really CR's fault that none the money they pay to be able to legally offer their product ends up in the hands of the people who actually made the product, but they are their shills have a tendency to market themselves as though they're supporting the creators and the industry, which is patently false.
>>122492833
Methinks anon is just making shit up as he goes along.
>>122492815
Not as much as if you bought a BD. Unless you think that watching two episodes on CR gives anywhere close to the cost of a single volume.
>>122492885
Get it through your head, nobody here is buying BDs for hundreds of bucks for a single season of animu. They might fucking pay a few bucks a month to watch anything they want though.
I need a webm of that underwear scene.
>>122492938
>nobody here is buying BDs for hundreds of bucks for a single season of animu.
Speak for yourself.
How many BDs, do you guys think get imported to USA?, for example from this season winter
>>122492885
BD sales also play into the success of a series and its creators. Even setting aside the amount of money made directly off those sales, the number of volumes sold itself is a universal indication of success and prestige that is considered seriously within the industry.
No anime has ever, or will ever get an S2 because "it got a lot of people to pay for crunchyroll subscriptions", but the number of bluray sales for the first volume of an anime is a value considered seriously by sponsors, investors and the studio itself when considering future projects, and is an element of prestige attached to the individual names that contribute to the project's success.
>>122492833
Go to sleep Daiz.
>>122492938
>Implying I'm not a buyfag
So you "support" things you like in the most bare minimum fashion possible then brag about how you're saving the industry.
>>122492885
I'll be buying each and every volume as it comes up for order.
>>122493025
>sees future
>>122490020
looks like india and china could use a few nukes.
>>122492528
>But I also have a smart tv in my living room.
I have bought several smart TVs over the years and never actually tried out their "smart" features. How is it, as an anime viewer?
For actual anime viewing each TV just has a media PC attached.
>>122489551
>the market is tiny
Not difference from audiophile's market I guess?. Absolute tin, overpriced produce, fan still pay for it.
>>122493073
Disregard tripfagotry, that was left on from a /k/ thread.
http://strawpoll.me/3866302
>>122493073
>How is it, as an anime viewer?
Shit in every conceivable way.
You better of buying android set top box/rasberri pi or Intel NUC.
What if I just buy donuts?
>>122493073
Have google tv so any android app runs pretty well. Also have plex with my entire torrent catalog. No complaints.
>>122493020
For most shows, imported sales probably constitute less than 1% of the total. It's part of the reason why the west is not really considered much of a market by most of the industry.
It's an interesting issue really. I personally feel really good about buying a volume of something I really liked because when average sales are in the 4 digit numbers, being one out of 4 or 5 thousand is pretty significant of a contribution towards something I loved. Even moreso if you're only 1 of 300 people who had shitty enough taste to buy some awful show that you happened to love.
But at the same time, the western market as a whole is pretty much statistically irrelevant with regards to BD sales.
>>122493122
>you have to support all shows you watch
>this level of straw grasping
Yeah, no. I'm not going to buy blurays and boxsets of every TV show and movie I watch on TV either.
>buying BDs
Everyone knows the only real way to support the creators is stalking them and getting their personal bank accounts.
>>122493172
>watch on tv
>supported by network ad sales
>like crunchyroll
>>122493196
And order donuts using their accounts?
>>122493224
>supported by network ad sales
Not on japanese television.
>>122493127
I assumed as much. Like I said, each TV has a media PC on it so its not like I need to stream or anything. I was just curious what all they could offer.
The only "smart" feature I ever used on my samsung TVs is screen mirroring from my phone.
>>122493224
*ad sales or subscription fees
She won't be voicing the pig, guys
>>122493224
>has never heard of free to view TV
>paying for TV
>>122493241
Yes, actually. Lots for primetime shows, a trickle for late night but not zero. Also, this isn't Japan.
>>122493224
TV that I'm not paying for, yeah.
You're not a Brit who has to pay a TV license, are you?
>>122493270
>Also, this isn't Japan.
Then what 'tv' are you talking about?
CR isn't a tv network.
You also don't seem to understand how this industry works at all. Protip: it's not the same as america.
>2015
>buying a physical copy
It's nonsense.
>>122493258
that's kinda sad
>>122493269
>misses point entirely
Free tv pays for content based on ads
In japan that content includes anime
The only way to do that with anime here is a streaming service
>>122493301
You made some shit point about not buying tv shows and movies on BD. I countered that you're still paying for it buy watching ads (or HBO subscription, etc).
CR is a network much like Netflix, except that for non-subscribing viewers they also get ad revenue, like tv. The future. Welcome to it.
Protip: Networks actually do pay for content in Japan, just not very much for otaku shit.
>>122493312
Or you know, I could continue to buy blurays like I already do and support the shows and franchises I like in a big way instead of a token $0.05 per stream contribution and pretend like that means as much as having a physical copy with bonuses.
>>122493377
Go for it. Keep pretending you're spending thousands supporting all the decent shows that way. Most of /a/ really does not.
>>122493122
>http://strawpoll.me/3866302
Thread has 6 samefags.
>>122493411
>supporting all the decent shows
I don't support every show. I support the ones I like the most.
>Most of /a/ really does not
Unlike you, I only speak for myself. I don't have such a self-inflated ego that I think I speak for others.
>>122493312
Anime producers actually have to pay to air their shows on a network's time block. They don't make money directly off of airing the show on television. Not from the ratings, not from the ads. Nothing. An anime timeslot is essentially a ~30 minute commercial.
The business model is based entirely on the merchandising that exploits the airing of that tv anime. This is why manga and LN adaptations are so common. Anime is frequently used as a means of advertising another form of media that's sold in physical copies. Outside of that, profit is generated entirely through physical releases, including BDs and the various forms of merchandise.
>>122493443
I voted 0, but I buy manga or LN of the anime I liked, I would like to point out that the mail service is the one who gets more of my money
>>122493370
>you're still paying for it buy watching ads
Are you even still being serious?
>>122493495
[citation needed]
We all agree that for most of the late night crap they couldn't get by without merch, but the literal paying to get aired is an unsupported claim.
I'm not kidding when I say I want to hang out with Zuka the most. I don't even mean that in a "lel which bako would you fug" way. I mean that kid, and she's just a fucking kid, needs someone outside of her social circle to tell her that this is all part of the process of being young and ambitious, and that so long as she wants it, and has a gig on the side to pay the rent, then she just needs to stay focused and go for it.
Somebody coach this poor kid.
>tfw Shirobako ends in 2 weeks
>tfw Zuka will always be a failure
>>122493524
>still misses point if he thinks he's not paying for content on free tv in the US
>>122493569
I'd love to hang out with her because she knows how to hold her drink and has a really positive attitude. I'd probably end up trying to get her to imitate a bunch of random characters as we get smashed on sapporo and talk shit about Diesel.
>>122493641
What's your point?
>>122493594
Well, he's not. Not directly. If you really want to stretch things, you could say that by having gone to McDonald's, you're supporting TV shows in which McD's buy an advert during the commercial break or a network that McD's spend $X,000,000 a year on to host their adverts and he's supporting them through that, but that's really pushing things.
>>122493651
Zuka has a problem with Diesel-chan?
>>122493669
It's not a stretch, it's why there is free tv.
>>122493641
This is why everyboy should get CR subs. It's only, what, $9 a month and you can support the industry without having to pretend that you buy Blu-Ray discs to impress your Internet friends and you support every show you watch, not just the ones you pretend to like the most.
>>122493696
I can't even tell if you're shilling ironically or not.
>>122493696
/a/ restores faith in humanity occasionally. Funny that all it takes is some /a/non not feeling peer-pressured by other /a/nons.
>>122493673
The impression of the /a/ Unified Council is that Diesel-chan has hit Zuka with backhanded compliments in the past.
>>122493696
Or you shut the fuck up.
Why would I pay for something that's free?
>you will never be her 'my bat'
>>122493696
But I prefer buying a figure.
>>122493696
>Implying CR offers enough to warrant even as little as $9 per month.
Make good product or service and I'll pay for it you shill.
>>122493722
Fuck off, not him. I'm the one you've been calling a shill, faggot.
>>122493695
It's a stretch to say that you're paying for free TV because the contribution is that it may as well not exist. I doubt the 99 cents I paid for a burger is floating a TV show like Game of Thrones, or a TV show that I've never watched, like Breaking Bad. Or the 9302840923840924 other things McDonald's puts money towards.
>>122493748
She's 40 years old. Where are her children?
>>122493772
I'm sorry but you've been outshilled. Maybe you should've asked for a better slice of that 9$ per month?
>>122493767
>implies he's looked at catalog
CR literally offers the show in thread used to be about. HorribleSubs is the #1 fansub now. Guess why?
>>122493790
How do you think she stays so young-looking?
>>122493696
This is so fucking stupid. You're not supporting the industry, you're supporting a streaming service.
That's like saying because I have a Netflix subscription I support all the TV/Movies on there.
Also Nip animators/studios don't give two fucks about any market other than Nippon.
>>122489832
Wait, how.
How can a small island hold so many people.
>paying for these
>>122493785
Umm.
You just mentioned one subscription-only and one premium cable show. Breaking Bad is supported by subscriber fees AND ad sales.
What are you even thinking? Where do YOU think the money comes from?
>>122493820
>HorribleSubs is the #1 fansub now.
Fansub is categorically wrong.
They are #1 because of the convenience, though. Quickest releases for watchable translations. Convenience > quality.
>>122493696
>$9 a month
>supports the industry
more like insults the industry.
>>122493857
They have their eco shit together.
>>122493820
They allow me to stream the show.
WOW, SUCH VALUE.
So I'm supposed to pay for a worse quality then I can get from free torrents?
>>122493873
>You just mentioned one subscription-only and one premium cable show.
Just big name examples, don't take them as absolute fact. Replace the shows with whatever you want.
>>122493857
They don't need much space
>>122493820
>horriblesubs
>fansub
Hahaha muh fucking sides man.
This thread is getting too good.
>>122493854
>hasn't bothered to do any research at all about where CR revenue goes
Fuck it, keep on rationalizing
