Why is so much charm lost when anime goes from hand drawn to completely digital?
Some day in the future anime won't be analogue or digital, just imaged straight into our brains by radio towers throughout neo-tokyo
The cherrypicking is strong in this one.
>>122071517
It depend of the genre
I prefer mecha with old style animation, but digital for moe anime is totally okay.
>>122071517
Since when did they start using more slender figures?
>implying anime today isn't hand-drawn
>>122071603
>muh cherrypicking
show me one digital screenshot and I can find a hand drawn one that looks 10 times better
>>122071517
Man, I fucking love Cherry Picking.
I'm pretty sure there is an inverted version of this chart somewhere.
>>122071616
I just want anime mecha again.
This 3D bullshit is killing me.
Left: OVAs with time and budget
Right: TV shows with tight scheduling and a bag of rice to feed the animators
![the.tale.of.the.princess.kaguya.2013.1080p.bluray.x264-psychd.mkv_snapshot_01.13.59_[2014.12.10_11.19.49].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dHx6KHl.jpg "the.tale.of.the.princess.kaguya.2013.1080p.bluray.x264-psychd.mkv_snapshot_01.13.59_[2014.12.10_11.19.49].jpg")
>>122071676
>Quality Nineties animation
>>122071517
Is anything on the left not an ova?
>>122071733
Holy shit, what's with those mutant fingers?
>>122071676
>show me one digital screenshot and I can find a hand drawn one that looks 10 times better
Yep, that's the definition of cherrypicking. Thanks for proving the point.
>>122071716
But that's hand drawn, you fucking idiot.
>>122071733
>>122071763
It's called a smear frame. It doesn't restrict itself to accurate anatomy so that the transition looks smoother in full motion, not the stilted gif.
>>122071784
So is all of anime. Even modern anime. There's no such thing as a non-hand-drawn anime unless you're talking about CGI anime.
>>122071821
That's not a smear, though, anon. And it doesn't make the movement smoother, it makes it look like extra fingers sprouted out of her palm.
>>122071821
Pro-tip: When making the best out of a low frame rate where it's 8 frames per second rather than 24 or 12, you should make sure you're not repeating three frames of a hand having seven fingers.
>>122071829
"Hand-drawn" is a bad term and people need to stop using it.
"Hand-painted" or "cel" animation is a better term.
Modern anime is digitally painted and mastered over sketches done on paper.
>>122071676
I bet you actually think the average 80s series looked like the examples you posted.
>>122071733
I didn't know about this genetic anomaly of Usagi.
>>122071884
>you should make sure you're not repeating three frames of a hand having seven fingers.
That frame is never repeated.
>>122071911
The older one still looks more charming.
>Muh superior cel animation
>>122071963
It's 8 frames per second. Of course it's going to be repeated.
>>122071676
:^)
>>122071517
Otaking pls go
>>122072003
So soulless.
>>122071686
I really hate 3D mecha too, I feel like its an insult to the genre.
>>122071969
Describe "charming".
>>122072023
>>122071998
Go look at the actual sequence, frame by frame. That image is only seen in a single frame.
>>122072035
To him it's probably just nostalgia.
>>122071517
Why use the JJBA OVA as an example when it looks like dogshit though
>>122072094
I did. You're wrong.
It's not just about the shift to digital, but also animators back then were better. Young animators these days only know how to do flashy action that stands out.
>>122071980
Using cells is objectively better for future quality.
>>122072021
What's your definition of soul? Grain? Shading? Made before 2000?
>>122071733
>>122072021
That's kind of the point of the imagery in that scene.
>>122071821
It's not a smear, but it is an intentional distortion and it's barely noticeable if you watch the actual sequence.
>>122071998
Let's play it back at regular speed. It's part of the stock footage, which is running much faster than 8 frames per second.
http://a.pomf.se/xeficc.webm
>>122072094 is correct.
>>122072145
No, you didn't.
>>122072226
>using cels that's prone to deterioration, mistakes, and inaccurate reproduction of the original animator, cleanup, and inbetweener's drawings
>has anything to do with quality
>>122072255
>Grain? Shading?
Damn right it is. Modern anime is too sterile, too perfect. It no longer gives the feeling that each frame was drawn by a pair of human hands.
>>122072317
You have seriously shit taste.
![[pleins] Yoru no Yatterman - 01 (720p) [51B2262C].mkv_snapshot_14.28_[2015.01.24_23.58.53].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bs2ayya.jpg "[pleins] Yoru no Yatterman - 01 (720p) [51B2262C].mkv_snapshot_14.28_[2015.01.24_23.58.53].jpg")
>>122072317
Too sterile, too perfect.
>>122072210
You're retarded.
>>122072317
>It no longer gives the feeling that each frame was drawn by a pair of human hands.
No it still gives that feeling.
Full cgi doesn't.
>>122071517
idk, but drawing on paper feels so much rewarding than drawing digitally, even some professional artists that works digitally aspire to do more painting on real canvas.
>>122072358
Disgusting artificial bloom, not to mention that line art is so bland. I bet that shit was made on a tablet.
>>122072386
>idk
>being this stupid
>>>/reddit/
>>122072386
Anime is still animated on paper.
>>122072317
>I want mistakes, dammit
>>122072404
Nah, man :).
>>122072386
You are aware that they still animate, cleanup, and put in-betweens on paper and the only ones who use the Wacom are the colorists in the digital ink and paint department, right?
If digital animation is superior to cels, then why do animators not use detailed shading anymore?
>>122072386
>drawing on paper feels so much rewarding than drawing digitally
But they still draw on paper. The only thing that changed is that they don't photocopy the end result on cels.
>mastering theatrical anime at ~900p
Japan is literally worse than George Lucas. The standards have been in the fucking shitter for high budget anime since the transition.
>b-but my cheap shit looks better
I DON'T FUCKING CARE about your pedestrian 99% garbage outings looking better.
>>122072530
>then why do animators not use detailed shading anymore?
Uh-huh.
>>122072530
>no better than disney
disney has amazing animation though.
I miss the mainstream nipples
>>122071517
>goes from hand drawn to completely digital
>hand drawn to completely digital
>hand drawn
>completely digital
What?
>>122072530
This image is cancer and paul is a fag.
>>122072608
What rustles me most about that image is that Pocahontas wasn't stunning
Otaking a shit
>>122072696
I wish more OVAs had Plastic Little tier breasts
>>122072317
>drawing each frame by a pair of human hands doesn't give a feeling that each frame was drawn by a pair of human hands
You are aware that even during the cel era of animation, people were already depending on machines like the photocopier to put drawings into cels, right? The only thing that changed is what is scanned and where it's scanned.
>>122072530
This was made as a troll image right? That Paul guy doesn't actually exist right?
>>122071517
If you're into pretty stills then sure. Also, old anime had very little variety in designs. We'd never have shows like kaiba, mononoke, tatami, saraiya goyou, gankutsuou, tekkon kinkreet, tatami, kuuchuu buranko or kyousou giga back than.
So stop this onegaishi fuckin masu.
>>122072530
I'm amazed at how shit his drawings are below and reminded of how shit and full of rotoscoping bullshit his Doctor Who anime has.
Just... take a look at it.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20527066
>>122072815
He does, but it was indeed meant to troll people. He loves shading, but he's kinda reasonable about it. Or at least he is these days.
>>122072815
He posts on /m/ with streams of him shading things. He regrets his reign of image-making.
He has a point, though. Why is anime so pale and lifeless nowadays?
Also, its quality is atrocious, more so than past anime.
I think I preferred Anime when it has both drawn art and digital art; Like Shadow Skill.
>>122072852
>Doctor Who anime
mite b cool
>watches it
>mfw
>>122072895
Naotoshi Shida confirmed for hack
>cowboy bebop is nearly a decade old and still looks better than most anime airing right now
>>122072919
Gatekeepers, even though it was made by Gonzo, was the last digital anime I've seen with vibrant colors before the palefaced ghetto we're occupying now happened.
>>122072852
>Made by Toei Philippines
>How to Draw Anime Vol. 12
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