According to wikipedia:
"Ikuhara has stated that he likes anime with yuri elements because he feels that when a female character is given a male love interest, the relationship between them tends to overwhelm the other elements of the show."
Explain how this works please.
>>121968142
I guess he thinks that het romances often feel hamfisted and crowbared in, while homostuff starts off more subtle and stays in the background more.
Though I don't know if he's talking about anime where the romance is in focus or where it's just a token element.
But seeing as how Cross Ange lost a lot of its crazy steam just to sell you on Tusk and Ange becoming a couple, I kinda see what he means.
Although the same thing could have happened with a yuri romance.
He means he gets mad as shit that someones dicking his waifu and it's easier to sell lesbians to NEETS because they think all women are gay.
How much acid do you think Ikuni takes?
[_] a lot
[_] more
[_] all
By the end of Penguindrum I cared about a Shouma Ringo ending more than anything else that was going on, so he maybe has a point.
SURPRISE. Ikuhara is a hack.
>>121968142
>Explain how this works please.
He likes the taste of dick.
He wants his male characters to like the taste of dick.
>>121968414
>[x] a lot
>>121968142
That's the complete opposite of the truth.
Yuri overwhelms the show, whereas normal romance feels natural.
There's never been a case of yuri not taking over and ruining the series ever.
>>121968414
The important part is that he always have dicks in his ass when he do
He's a retard, that's how it works.
Also, he is Japanese so he is biologically incapable of being a competent writer.
>>121968585
You mean like how the moment a yuri character is introduced into any slice of life series lusting for the main girl she instantly makes any chapter she appears in worse?
Fuck you 14 sai no koi. Yuri ruins everything.
>>121968330
>NEETS
Stop using this word, it doesn't mean what you think it does.
"Heterosexuality was a mistake."
-Kunihiko Ikuhara
Well, all you have to do to a girl to make her a boring person is getting her a boyfriend.
>>121968330
I don't think Anno's wife has a dick.
>tfw no BL show by Ikuhara
>>121968142
Note how it doesn't that he likes lesbian anime, only anime "with yuri elements".
Yuri elements are usually part of most anime with a dominantly female cast. K-On! for example has quite a few yuri elements, but it does not contain any yuri romance. Actual yuri sells like shit, unlike retarded newfags like >>121968330 believe.
Yes, he makes yuri anime. But that's probably because he likes girl-on-girl stuff, not because he wants to protect the story from romance.
>>121968696
>neo-/a/
Please refrain from spilling /v/'s memes outside of their board.
> "I can't make a decent het pairing"
> "Let's blame ALL het pairings!"
And I used to respect the guy.
>>121968142
All hail Heterophobia
>>121968887
gyao gyao
I saw Legend of Korra, so now I actually agree with him.
>>121968142
Because with a male love interest it tends to be the focus even if the show is about something else whereas in anime with yuri it's almost always subtle, probably overly subtle in many cases, but never distracts from the actual plot.
Keep in mind he's clearly not talking about anime ABOUT yuri.
>>121968142
Ikuhara is insane, don't listen to his ramblings.
>>121969376
That is what they said about Louise Pastuer, and Tesla, and Einstein.
Insanity and genius are two sides of the same coin
>>121969432
You could've at least listed an artist, Ikuhara isn't a scientist of any kind.
He's 100% correct. There are innumerable anime that are ruined by absolutely terrible romantic 'sub-stories' that fail to run concurrently to the plot. Of course, anime gets away with it 9 times out of 10 because it has the most sex-starved demographic of any media.
>>121969471
He's a scientist of DEEP yuri.
>>121969471
Ok then:
van Goh and Da Vinci are both labeled as madmen but we know now that they are misunderstood geniuses
Precure, Aikatsu, PreRhy, and iM@S all need to take this guy's advice. No romance is the reason why shows like Love Live are so much better.
/u/tards will try and say otherwise but the truth is obvious - he thinks nothing of yuri romance. He sees it as such as small and stupid thing that it doesn't hurt the rest of the plot by actually having any meaning to it.
>>121968142
He looks like an Oriental version of the bad guy from Quantum of Solace.
He doesn't like to do hetero relationships because he finds them boring. Just about everything has been played out a lot so you really cant be creative in that department.
Ikuhara does love stories, but they are pretty unconventional. Penguindrum's love story was about ignoring biological survival strategies and sacrificing yourself for the people you love. It wasn't even love in the romantic sense.
Yurikuma is about sticking with the person you love even if society is telling you that you're wrong and nature is telling you that it doesn't make sense.
>>121969471
I also forgot Picasso, Michelangelo, and Edgar Allan Poe has questionable mental states
>>121968673
Where did this meme come from?
REMOVE YURI REMOVE YURI
REMOVE BEARS REMOVE BEARS
REMOVE YURI REMOVE BEARS
REMOVE BEARS REMOVE YURI
>>121968142
Otaku find male characters intimidating.
>>121969620
If I remember correctly, it was from some news site mistranslating a Miyazaki interview where he complained about Otaku and the current state of the industry as him complaining about anime in general
He can't do hetero right so he relies on yurishit, is as simple as that.
Nearly all his pairings so far have been:
>I WILL PROTECT YOU
>But I don't want to be protected...
I haven't been watching the bear show even though I loved Utena and Penguindrum. Is it good?
>>121970027
It's yuri.
That should answer your question.
>>121968761
>memes
If only.
>>121970041
It's bad?
I've always anime intentionally labeled as yuri so I don't know what a "yuri" anime is like.
>>121968142
Shippers. Normalfags shippers. Just take a look at how things went when Naruto ended. Or all the people obsessed with "winning" and muh kissu in threads.
How many people do you think watched Hyouka to ship the characters whith little interest in anything else happening?
Check how the Garo threads changed tone when plot devices with vaginas started to have more screentime.
>>121970117
>How many people do you think watched Hyouka to ship the characters whith little interest in anything else happening?
I'm willing to bet quite a lot based on how "boring" everyone thought it was.
Because romance plot are hamfisted into pretty much everything
People get incredibly ass-blasted if a manga/anime doesn't end with a kissu/some sort of romantic development
>>121970117
If you think shipping is exclusive to hetero romance shows you need to lurk more. A lot more.
>>121970117
Shipping exists and will always exist in any form of fiction, because people feel attached to the characters.
The advantage of yuri shippers is that, while being the most autistic of them all, they don't need much to ship rabidly.
You can have a girl tripping onto another and that's all they need to believe they're soulmates and furiously love eachother. And they will hold onto that for all eternity.
>>121970117
>Check how the Garo threads changed tone when plot devices with vaginas started to have more screentime.
Jesus this. I used to love Garo threads but now I can't go in there without seeing shitflung about Ema and Leon and his waifu who died
>>121970214
Pretty much this.
The most cancerous shippers are the ones with the gay fetishes.
>>121970288
Blame the writers, all that Leon suffering is completely unnecessary and just forced drama
>>121970337
I agree but there's no need to complain that much about it. Expecting competent writing in any anime series for more than 1 cour is nearly impossible
>>121970189
>Normalfags shippers
>>121970461
Precure, Aikatsu, PreRhy, and iM@S all need to take this guy's advice. No romance is the reason why shows like Love Live and Yuki Yuna are so much better.
>>121969295
But making the lead female into a dyke has retroactively overwhelmed all other elements of the show, even though they didn't even get it on while on-screen.
>>121970748
You do realize those are popular because of purity fags right?
And precure is the my little pony of Japan with its main audience being manchildren and little girls
>>121970948
Korra doesn't count, it started with very heavy focus on hetero stuff. Shit was ugly.
>>121968142
jap write bad het romance, he just writes friendship with sex. it works
>>121970972
I didn't watch Korra but didn't they only turn her lesbian in the end to pander to the tumblr crowd? I heard there were barely any hints for it in the whole show.
>>121970948
The Korra finale was mainly connected to the author joining tumblr, literally nobody expected Korrasami to happen and even their shippers joked about it being just a crack pairing, and see what happened
The fact that they succumbed to the fanbase so easily just shows how much professionalism they lacked as creators
>>121971027
There were hints, definitely, but not nearly enough to justify that ending.
>>121971027
There were like two hints during the last season that is.
Its funny how the authors tried to write it off by saying that they had planned this since S2 and yet that same season it Asami trying to suck Mako's face while Korra was away. Shit didn't make any sense. Season 3 was probably the best one because it didn't have any romance
>>121970948
The problem is that all the other elements of the show were garbage. The reason it overwhelmed everything else is because there wasn't anything else of note to talk about.
>>121971066
>The fact that they succumbed to the fanbase so easily just shows how much professionalism they lacked as creators
Korra wasn't even good to begin with. It lacked the coherence of the first. I just don't know what the hell were they thinking when they made this.
It's really a let down. Oh well. >>>/co/
>>121968142
Male/female relationship is serious business.
Female/female relationship is a silly game.
>>121968257
He says women cant love.
>>121970214
>Shipping exists and will always exist in any form of fiction that has a sizeable female fanbase.
Fixed that.
I thought Korra and Asami were a lot more compatible together than with Mako. No contrived melodramatic bullshit.
>>121971281
The survival of the human race depends on one.
The ever growing increase of mental illness depends on the other one
>>121968142
>he feels that when a female character is given a male love interest, the relationship between them tends to overwhelm the other elements of the show
Holy shit! fucking this
Based Ikuni
>>121971359
Funnily, both of those apply to only one option.
>>121971351
None of the romances in that show were done right. And Asami and Korra were compatible as friends that is
Also >>>/co/
>>121971359
Fuck off. There are more than enough people on the planet. If you think that everyone is going to suddenly turn gay and the entire human race will die off, you are an idiot.
>>121969513
He's gonehomo
Captcha: gedit
>Explain how this works please.
Yuri is literally so bland you can throw it in and it wont have any meaningful effect on the show, just like regular fanservice.
>>121971399
That's the beauty of yuri. In yuri relationships they're lovers as well as best friends and in het relationships it's more of a power struggle.
>>121971345
You're delusional if you think there aren't as much male shippers as female ones.
It's just that the female ones are more obnoxious about it.
>>121971453
>in het relationships it's more of a power struggle
Men are on top, women at the bottom, as nature intended. In healthy relationships, there's no struggle.
>>121971464
>It's just that the female ones are more obnoxious about it
That explains why the majority of yurifags are annoying as fuck.
>>121971464
>It's just that the female ones are more obnoxious about it.
Male shipperfags are some of the most obnoxious that I've seen, just look at Sayaka/Kyouko fags.
>>121971532
>no dick on the djinn
typical overcompensating douchebag.
>>121971597
I don't consider yurifags male
HETSHIT BTFO!
He should just admit he loves lesbians instead of pushing such a flimsy justification. At least Shirow Masamune admitted that the only reason the Major is bisexual is because he didn't want to draw the butts of men.
>>121968142
/u/ bait, the thread.
>>121968701
Anno, please. Ikuhara isn't into you, get over it
I'm guessing he's talking about audience expectations.
If you introduce a hetero romance everyone expects you to actually develop it because most media does. No one has any such expectations for yuri subtext.
Don't fall for yurifags lies.
It's his incompetence as a writer if he can't make a romance not overwhelming the story.
>>121971719
Just a shame that we've entered the age where you need a heterosexual romance just to shut the gay shippers up now.
Can't Ikuhara just do adaptations again? Ikuhara Cutie Honey when?
>>121971732
It doesn't matter how it's written, the fans will always make it overwhelming. And hetfags are much worse than yurifags in that regard.
![[Spork] Cutie Honey - 01 (DVD) [69D36E64].avi_snapshot_17.07_[2014.01.27_11.39.22].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wI1McQX.jpg "[Spork] Cutie Honey - 01 (DVD) [69D36E64].avi_snapshot_17.07_[2014.01.27_11.39.22].jpg")
>>121971767
>Ikuhara Cutie Honey when?
God damn I didn't even realize how much I want this.
>>121968330
>he gets mad as shit that someones dicking his waifu
>>121971769
Pixiv is literally calling you a liar right now. No one is more obnoxious and persistently atrocious than yaoi/yuri fags.
>>121971840
>No one is more obnoxious and persistently atrocious
Hetfags and cuckfags.
>>121968142
Because so many decent characters have turned into dere shit just because they got male love interests.
>>121971464
>female ones are more obnoxious
not in my experience, just take a look in any thread in which the mc has more than one potential love interest
>>121968142
You are now aware that this mindset is the reason why Ikuhara has major trouble to get his ideas for anime greenlit nowadays, even with all his old boys' club connections, and why Yurikuma got only one cour, even though it could've easily gotten more resources and everything if he'd rewritten it as Heterokuma.
In conclusion, he's just a bitter, disillusioned old fuck trying to rationalize why "nobody understands him."
>homosexual relationships are more unique
Please.
>>121971818
It's okay because he is Sailor Mars.
We got people who suddenly wake up wanting to be a female when he was born a male.
The funniest part is that they laugh at people who wake up suddenly thinking they are dragons or these "otherkin" people.
I wish i die before this shit is accepted as a norm.
>>121971858
You're proving my point. You can't even get the nature of NTR right.
Fucking yurifags are the worst. NTR isn't even my fetish of choice and I know why their fetish exists. It's the exact opposite of cuck.
>>121968142
He is right, just look at what happend with Shirobako and the Yano x Hiraoka shitstorm.
>>121968479
This, kinda.Shouma will never fuck a burning Ringo ;_;
>>121971719
That's how I interpreted it, but I think it mostly comes down to het romance having a disproportionately broader appeal than gay romance. There are people blowing romance out of proportion and letting it overshadow all other aspects of a given work in subtext yuri too, but it's just a small niche of the total anime fandom in comparison.
>>121971886
Cool fanfiction.
>>121968832
But he can.
Have you never seen Penguindrum or Utena?
>>121971969
Utena had a decent het pairing?
>>121971904
Then, how do you explain this?
>>121971886
I respect him for not sacrificing those elements in favor of appealing to networks.
>>121970337
>Forced drama
Opinion discarded, seriously. The suffering Leon went through actually allowed him to become a man through and through. It was necessary for his character to develop from whiny teen revengetard to protector and hero.
But the focus on the shipping in Garo threads is shit.
>>121968832
>"Oh a thread on /a/"
>"Damn I can't read"
And I used to respect you.
I WANT TO FUCK RINGO!
>>121972044
>people can only grow through suffering
Actual worst trope.
>>121968142
>Utena: 39 eps
>Penguindrum: 24 eps
>Bears: 12 eps
Is he going to make shorts next?
>>121971755
No you don't. It doesn't stop anyone.
Ange is firmly in love with Tusk. It doesn't stop people fantasizing about her and Hilda being together.
Edward Elric has a fucking family. It doesn't stop people from shipping him with Envy, Roy and Alphonse
Anna and Elsa are sisters and Anna is getting fucking married. Doesn't stop people from making incest fanfiction.
Forcing hetero romance doesn't stop shitall from happening.
>>121972061
Not that anon but that's basically what he is saying
The only decent het pairings he has done are Shoum/Ringo and the one from that obscure manga of his the Runaway bride or some shit
>>121968142
The explanation is quite simple:
>have male and female characters get close
>the viewers expect a romance with all that entails
meanwhile:
>have two male or female characters get close
>the viewers will not have this expectation
>>121972112
>ikuhara will never find somebody to keep him in his place
>>121972106
When you look at his previous character progression, he needed to suffer to get the point of becoming a protector, rather than use his powers for revenge.
I mean fuck, Leon was insufferable during the first part. It's not like the suffering was just suffering and he didn't progress from it.
>>121972112
I wouldn't mind getting some experimental OVAs.
Usually as soon as there's a romantic subplot in anime everything revolves around it. Obstacles are based around keeping the two separated, the end game is about them being together, etc.
It perfectly understandable if you want your romance to not be the thing people focus on.
>>121972106
That's not a trope. It's reality.
>>121972133
>Not that anon but that's basically what he is saying
Except it is not at all what he is saying. I don't know how to explain it to you, as it is so plain and obvious. It's not about pairings. Only retards care about pairings. The relationships presented need to fit the story and the themes of the show. If a certain kind of relationship is more suited to this than another then including that one over the other is the obvious choice.
>>121972001
Utena has (non-)decent everything. Are you going to claim the yuri ships are healthyand/or decent? Anthy and Utena are barely a romantic, and there's no way these two pretendious fuck-ups are a healthy couple. Juri and Shiori are even further away from healthy and functioning. Nothing there functions. Evangelion almost has more functioning romantic relationships.
What seems to be a running theme in Ikuni's works is fucked up relationships. Shouma/Ringo isn't healthy either. Nothing in YKA seems to be healthy. His characters seem to lack this basic human trait called being able to communicate.
>>121972133
No, that's not what he was saying, it was a shitty strawman.
>>121968832
>>121972133
Why are you using a /u/ shibboleth like 'het' if you're not from /u/?
It just invites misunderstanding, like for instance using "Toxic" or "Problematic" or "Shitlord" - SJW Shibboleths.
Just a friendly recommendation that it'd be better not to do that as it muddies the water
>>121972248
No, but Anthy and Utena came to understand each other in the end and their relationship in Adolescence was more on the equal/healthy side.
Juri and Shiori are seen mending their relationship in the end. Shiori's pure evil in the movie, though.
>>121971769
>It doesn't matter how it's written, the fans will always make it overwhelming.
This is true.
>And hetfags are much worse than yurifags in that regard.
And this is where I disagree. Yaoi/Yurifags can get on the same levels of obnoxiouness as the regular het-shippers.
There's this example in Kill la Kill. Nowadays everyone can say the show is devoid of romance, but back then when it was on air, shipperfags of all kinds and flavors turned it into a shipperpalooza, as if the regular KLK threads weren't unbearable enough.
It took the head writer to BTFO the shippers after the show ended to shut them up.
>>121971886
>Pic
Never fails to make me laugh.
>>121972322
Same could be argued about any character but Akio. Revolution of some kind happened, conclusion is reached, relationships mended.
And I'm not sure whether the movie counts and how it should count when we talk about Ikuni's work, but it definitely shows more healthy relationships than the show.
>>121968142
He's partially right. More things to develop technically means that something else has to take a step back. But that goes for both relationships. At the end of the day it depends on the writing. YKA does have a good romance feeling too it. Certainly better than the majority of anime but that's because the focus is one sided and only lies on the romance side.
>>121972248
>Shouma/Ringo isn't healthy either
Why not? They seem perfect together to me
>>121972449
Utena's TV series was more of a team effort (BePapas) than solely an Ikuhara work. Ikuhara had the most control over Adolescence, I believe.
>>121972303
"het" is only used by /a/ shitposters false flagging as /u/. Actual /u/ never says it
Also "shibboleth" is a useful word I didn't know until now, thanks anon
>>121972438
Its funny because the hetero shippers were r=the most obnoxious out of all of them.
Trigger shows an inkling of a onesided crush on Gamagoori's part and the fanbase thinks that the finale is them getting married to each other.
>>121971755
Anon, please.
This isn't a "nowadays" thing.
Jotaro Kujo being married and with a child never stopped CLAMP to ship him with Kakyoin and ALSO give them a child.
>>121972593
You're right, that's the perfect example. Gamako is cancerous as fuck and overwhelms the show, while Ryumako is a nice easygoing ship preferred by gentlemen.
>>121972536
>Actual /u/ never says it
https://archive.moe/u/search/text/het/
>>121972593
To be fair, Mako isn't entirely oblivious to Gamagoori's advances; she seems to care about him at the very least.
>>121972593
They are more obnoxious to you because they like what you dislike.
The same thing happens on the other side, of course.
At the end, both are obnoxious.
>>121972106
If you don't drag your characters through shit, you're a hack of a writer. Something must go wrong for development to occur.
All shippers are equally stupid and annoying in my eyes.
>>121972690
No, I didn't dislike it at all.
But Gamako shippers were the worst of the bunch simply because if anyone voiced dislike or tried to put some common sense out there they suddenly feel attacked and they call anyone who disagrees with them a dirty /u/fag Ryuumako shipper.
>>121972683
That's true but Mako cares about almost everyone in the cast.
>>121972674
I love how /u/ fags love to grab onto this one screencap to prove their point when the whole random gay moment with your bro is not a uncommon trope in any sort of media and is usually just played as comedy relief
>>121972683
>To be fair, Mako isn't entirely oblivious to Gamagoori's advances; she seems to care about him at the very least.
The thing is that it took Nui to stab him to death for her to notice him. Anyone with a lick of heart would have been at least moved and we all know Mako it's not a heartless bitch and that's the kind of guy Gama is.
>>121970117
You understand that the relationship between Oreki and Chitanda, and the one between Mayaka and Fuboshi was like 80% of the development in the show, right?
>>121971769
>the fans will always make it overwhelming
Naruto is proof enough.
>>121972112
Obviously since he won't be able to get enough funding to procude more. You can bet that Yurikuma is this short plus episode 8.5 because he didn't manage to get enough money. Considering the sales, people just knew it would bombed and didn't invest more.
>>121972125
>Ange is firmly in love with Tusk. It doesn't stop people fantasizing about her and Hilda being together
That mostly come from how poorly developed her "relationship" with Tusk and that unlike Tusk, Hilda has an actual personality.
>>121972954
Stop trying to turn it into Toradora.
To anyone who thinks yurifags aren't as bad as hetfags, I invite you to take a look at this cancer:
>>121970537
>>121972125
>Edward Elric has a fucking family. It doesn't stop people from shipping him with Envy, Roy and Alphonse
People do this? Fucking degenerates.
>>121973127
You mean going to a shipping thread where even the creators shipped the two together in the recent movie?
Wow, they sure are evil degenerates.
>>121973143
People ship Sora and Riku together even though they both blatantly have interest in Kairi and that's what started their whole fucking rivalry.
>>121972690
>They are more obnoxious to you because they like what you dislike.
Not the same anon, but jokes on you Gamako was my fave, the thing was thag after the effects of the euphoria and "hype" the show left, I realized everyone blew everything out of proportion.
Ep.25 and Nakashima shutting the fuck up every shipfag just was what they needed. Seriously.
I still ship them nowadays, but I perfectly know they aren't canon.
>>121973127
nice false flagging, hetshit
>>121973120
Did you miss every bit of subtext, symbolism and character development? It's a romance that focuses on character development instead of contrived romantic tension or conflict, and it's absolutely phenomenal.
Ikuhara should give us two shows a fucking year.
He's one of the few who thinks outside the box.
>>121973061
Not to mention a pulse.
>>121973127
Yuri shipping can get as obnoxious as any, but Madokafags are a class of their own. They should have gotten their own containment board like the ponyfuckers and get banned on sight everywhere else.
>>121973211
>it's absolutely phenomenal
OH BOOBS
THOSE BOOBS ARE SO CLOSE
make up for 50% of it.
>>121971359
>yfw
>>121972044
Except he already learned everything he needed and developed as a character, before farm girl died. It achieved nothing. Absolutely fucking nothing.
>>121973408
Did you have a stroke?
>>121972767
>simply because if anyone voiced dislike or tried to put some common sense out there they suddenly feel attacked and they call anyone who disagrees with them a dirty /u/fag Ryuumako shipper.
I have to say: This.
They tried to "send me back to /u/" more than once just because I was one of those who kept saying they were exaggerating their "relationship".
Welp, turns out we were right in the end. Based Nakashima.
>People ship Sora and Riku together even though they both blatantly have interest in Kairi and that's what started their whole fucking rivalry.
That's right. Also your post really takes me back. Is like I'm in 2002 again.
Kingdom Hearts fanbase must have being one of the biggest Yaoifags stews of the 21th Century.
And the one who messed up Tetsuya Nomura and started to recycle the The Bouncer character designs over and over.
>>121973543
If a lack of understanding of personal space counts as phenomenal then your average romcom LN is a bloody masterpiece.
Can someone explain how Ikuni and Anno are gay for each other? I know Kaworu is him and all but what inspired it?
It goes for Hollywood too. How many movies have dumb forgettable "romance" just for the sake of having it.
>>121973690
Every hollywood movie that isn't about romance. see: every action, sci-fi, horror, etc. genre.
>>121973672
I wasn't aware of that.
Then again, I don't hang out in EVA threads, so...
...damn, I now imagine Anno is Shinji and Ikuni is Kaworu.
>>121973690
Romance is the cheapest and easiest way to make people relate to the characters, so it's obviously used.
>>121973761
庵野 その辺が作り事だっていうことは、みんな、分かってるんだけど、逆にそれだからこそピュアな感じかして、よりのめりこみ度数高くなるんですけどね。アニメのキャラクターは基本的には裏切らないと思い込んでいるですよ。幾ちゃんが言ってたけど「最終回で、綾波レイが妊娠して、腹がデカくなっているというのをやってくださいよ！」って。「とにかく綾波ファンを裏切ってくれ」ってね。「君達が考えている綾波レイというのは、本物じゃないんだ。本当の綾波レイは、ちゃんと妊娠して腹が」。
Anno: Everyone understands that it's a fiction, but precisely because it's a fiction you have a pure feeling, you fall for the character to an even greater extent. You assume that an anime character will not betray you. Iku-chan said [to me], "in the last episode, please have Rei Ayanami get married and become pregnant. Just please betray the Ayanami fans. The Rei Ayanami they are thinking of is not real. The real Rei Ayanami gets married, and her belly..."
小黒 (笑)。あ、ホントに綾波がいたら。
Oguro: (laughs) Ah, if Ayanami really existed.
庵野 「ホントだったら、妊娠して腹がデカくなって子供産んだりして、年を取ったりするんだっていうのを思い知らせてやってくれ」みたいな事を言われて。俺は「そこまでせんでも……」と思ったんですけど(笑)。
Anno: He told me something like, "please, make them realize that, If she were real, she would get married, become pregnant, have a child, and grow older." I was thinking, "we don't have to go that far..." (laughs).
小黒 (笑)。幾ちゃんの方が悪人ですね。
Oguro: (laughs) Iku-chan is a wicked man.
>>121973659
So you did miss everything the series actually did. Man I feel bad for people who found Hyouka boring.
>>121973503
>Except he already learned everything he needed and developed as a character, before farm girl died. It achieved nothing. Absolutely fucking nothing.
It's ok to be mad about farm girl, but to say it achieved nothing is just wrong.
Leon had given up his life as a makai knight because of his failure to contain his rage, and had fucking attempted suicide. The whole farm arc was him learning to accept his failure and move on, and try to live a normal happy life. However, he gets blindsided by a horror, everyone dies, and he has a revelation. He realizes that he can't have a normal happy life, and needs to go back to being a knight for the sake of protecting the world/his loved ones (the ones still alive anyway). He never cared about the idea of "protecting", which you should fucking know by now is quite possibly the strongest theme in any fighting anime, but now he knows how important it is. His character was changed completely.
>>121973728
>Every hollywood movie that isn't about romance.
And every Hollywood movie that actually IS about romance.
>>121968638
>>121968638
Yuri make everything awesome, is just happend that you male character is silly and easy to beat
yuri character far had more charactization than male lead
>>121973568
>They tried to "send me back to /u/"
This is not how you use quotation marks.
>>121973503
Leon had yet to fail to protect someone meaningful to him. His mother died when he was born. Garo was taken from him because of his failure to control it. When Lara died he finally went through the pain of losing something he didn't have the power to protect. This shit was necessary for him to understand his duty as protector.
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>>121973938
Early designs of Kaworu looked like Ikuhara and one of the conversations Shinji has with Kaworu is based on a discussion Ikuhara and Anno had. Ikuhara denies that Kaworu is based off of him but he never tells the truth. Anno also admired Ikuhara's work on Sailor Moon. Rei is named after Sailor Mars/Rei. Rei is Anno's favorite sailor senshi. He even cosplayed as her claiming that it wasn't him but Sailor Mars.
There are a lot of shoujo romances where the guy takes over the girl and series to the point he is the focus of her world (and thus the series). Its kinda like Twilight where the girl just wants or "needs" a boyfriend. So even in Sailor Moon, I wouldn't have minded Ikuhara killing off Tuxedo Mask. The focus on Netpune and Uranus helping Sailor Moon was more refreshing.
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>>121973999
You are this retarded.
I question Ikuhara's taste in yaoi. Lily Hoshino is better at shoujo romances than yaoi. At least he likes Nakamura Asumiko.
is Ikuni gay or bi?
>>121971027
No, it was developed in book 3. Of course it was subtle so only other dykes recognized what was happening.
>>121973938
>The Rei Ayanami they are thinking of is not real.
He's got a point there.
I liked Utena, it had nice music and nice art but Ikuhara is a goddamned disgusting hack.
>>121975058
Eva tells people to stop living in a fantasy world and learn to love yourself and open up to others. Fans do the opposite and start fapping to cartoons in their rooms. Anno tells them to stop, they don't. Japan loves Rei best. Ikuhara could have stopped this. He is the savior Anno and Eva needed but didn't deserve.
>>121968142
Based Ikuni
>>121975183
If Anno had included the scene, the anime would simply have crashed and burned.
>>121975240And nothing of value would have been lost.Make it happen Anno in 4.0. There is nothing for you to lose this time!
>>121974814
>Lily Hoshino is better at shoujo romances than yaoi
Her "yaoi" stories are usually about a boy and a girl with a dick
>>121975610
That's what yaoi is though.
For everything else, there's bara.
>>121975610
>boys love
>love between a boy and a hermaphrodite
Why is this allowed? Yaoi hole is the most retarded shit Japan has ever invented
>>121975641
There are a lot of artists who don't do this anon.
>>121973938
So Ikuhara is a filthy NTRfaggot, who would've guessed
>>121975610
Is basically porn for trapfags not really yaoi
>>121968142
I've always interpreted this as he's an idiot who can barely stay focused as a director, is semi-self aware of it and tries to avoid things he knows are just going to distract him even further. I get serious manchild vibes off of the guy so I attribute it to that, because anyone with any level of self-control and focus could pretty readily handle romantic elements and not allow them to completely overwhelm other elements of a story....like it can't be that hard that most normal directors would need to make the relationship a same sex one to keep themselves honest. It just makes no sense whatsoever.
>>121970948
>But making the lead female into a dyke has retroactively overwhelmed all other elements of the show, even though they didn't even get it on while on-screen.
It really didn't.
It's just that your autistic ass can't stop complaining about it on the internet.
The "normal" viewers were basically going:
>Oh what, those two are hooking up? That's a bit surprising, but they went through a lot together and have some chemistry at least. Good on 'em.
And that was the end of it.
And how the hell can you retroactively overwhelm a story? You watch the story that's unfolding on screen, some last minute asspull might sour your opinion of the series as a whole, but that doesn't change the way the rest of the series played out.
For the record, I expected these two hooking up more than I expected Korrasami. But I could still buy it.
>>121975667
Not a hermaphrodite but I get your point. I think yaoi with girly guy has to do with the fact women are tired of the one being sexualized. So for it to be a male, makes it better for them.
>>121968585
From everything I've seen lately indeed yuri stuff in shows is a horrible distraction for pretty much everyone involved. It's mostly cause series that have yuri elements tend to indulge in them heavily and entire episodes will grind to a halt for an awkward yuri fanservice scene to be shoed in and fans of such things also tend to go batshit fucking bonkers and feel the need to point it out and talk about it endlessly any time it happens in a show to the point where anything else that might happen gets ignored.
I'm totally for the extinction of the human race through lesbianism.
>>121975240
Just as the monk destroys a picture of the buddha to show others the concept of sunyata, so must Anno destroy evangelion to teach the otaku the concept of fiction.
>>121976008
Thats not how it works.
>>121969295
>>121970948
>>121970972
>>121971066
>>121971216
>>121975880
>tumblr: the show
Yeah how about you end yourselves
>>121975880
>And how the hell can you retroactively overwhelm a story?
I think he's more getting at the fact that, after the last episode of LOK, the ship was practically the only thing anybody talked about in relation to the show.
That said, I think he has the base problem all wrong; the problem isn't that the shipping overwhelmed the rest of the show, it's that the show itself had nothing to be overwhelmed. That single event was the only notable thing to discuss.
>>121976035
You misunderstand.
People would have refused to acknowledge the anime if it had treated their waifus that way.
It's like the difference between
1) giving people advice
and
2) telling people they are fucking retarded for not understanding it and that they should have asked you in the first place if they were this goddamn useless. Also, by the way, here's how it works.
In one of these cases, people don't listen to you.
>>121976008
Me too, and I want all anons to be gay with each other as well. It will be a beautiful twilight for the human race, full of gay love.
>>121975857
>anyone with any level of self-control and focus could pretty readily handle romantic elements and not allow them to completely overwhelm other elements of a stor
Congrats on missing his point.
>It just makes no sense whatsoever
Because you're an idiot who missed the whole point.
>>121973315
Yuri shipping with Madoka was kind of to the point where it outright seemed to influence the plot of the 3rd movie which implied that Yuri butthurt loev was what essentially gave Homura her power up. They also played up the kind of yuri angle of her and Madoka's relationship as well as Sayaka and Kyoko.
>>121976377
Not to mention the shitty loli they added just to ship with Mami. This is why Rebellion is crap.
>>121976438
Rebellion is the best part of Madoka.
>>121976487
How can taste this shit even exist?
>>121976438
I wouldn't call it outright crap but I could barely take it seriously development and focus wise and in retrospect can't say I really enjoyed the experience.
>>121976539
It's the truth.
Not that it was hard to surpass the mediocre TV series.
>>121976438
Rebellion was good. Token loli was not.
>>121976639
Who even cares, she had like 2 minutes of screen time.
>>121968142
Uh huh, that why anime that get has even the slightest of yuri pandering gets literally "overwhelmed" by nothing but yurifags that only care about the yuri elements no matter how little or unimportant they are.
Pretty much every yuri pandering show serves as example, but Nanoha is probably the best case study.
>>121976562
I liked the developments that involved Homura.
Her being homosex for Madoka already seemed pretty believable in the series proper. The developments at the end, contrary to what a lot of people say, made perfect sense when you consider her character and the events of the TV series, and really did not surprise me in the slightest.
I think it was an alright movie, not great. Most things involving the other characters were blatant fanservice, like the Sayaka Kyouko ship pandering, despite Sayaka clearly being in love with Kyosuke in the TV series. Mami was mostly just used to write cool action scenes and didn't have an active role in the plot, nor was she developed in any way. Bebe was a completely useless character worth absolutely nothing. In general I felt that in areas not involving the main story between Homura and Madoka, rebellion was rather weak, but the backbone of the movie was engaging enough for me to enjoy it.
Like I don't enjoy yuri at all, but let it not be said that I won't give a yuri couple the benefit of the doubt if that is basically the center of the plot. I don't even think Madoka reciprocates, so even calling it a couple feels wrong to me, honestly.
>>121976377
>outright seemed to influence the plot of the 3rd movie
It did influence the movie a lot.
>>121976800
Yuri for girls, which it was orignally aimed at? Those don't overtake the series. Most male yurifags aren't intrested in yuri or "girls love girls is the purest form of love" they want lesbo sex and pandering. They just want that, not actual roance and love. Sex !=Romance/love
>>121976639
She may not be the best character but she did serve an important role as a plot device.
>>121975183
Bait.
I think that is a copout response. You can do all sorts of storytelling with hetero couples. It's not 'played out'. I get that he prefers yuri and that is fine. No need to jab at hetero like that though. And I love yuri myself.
As for Madoka, she definitely is very close to being a couple material. Most magical girl shows has a bit of a yuri edge where it's extremely easy to headcanon it.
>>121976969
Okay, anon, if you say so.
>>121970972
>it started with very heavy focus on hetero stuff
The problem wasn't the focus on hetero stuff, it was the focus on Mako. He was a terrible character, and I feel sorry that the guy who voiced Iroh in TLAB had a faggot like that named as a memorial to him. But then that's probably why he was a terrible character, he kept being forced into a bigger role than he deserved because he was named in memorial. Bolin was the better brother.
>>121976881
>despite Sayaka clearly being in love with Kyosuke in the TV series
Sayaka is Kyousexual. She's attracted to people with a kyou sound in their name, regardless of gender.
>>121976627
It's not though. Not even a little bit.
>>121977335
You're right. My god, it all makes sense...
Mind blown, anon.
Is there no school today?
>>121977502Kids just post from their phones nowadays.
>>121977335
It's just her phone really. She saved Kyousuke's number under "Kyou-chan", and when she gave up on him she was looking for a boyfriend that wouldn't require her to go into the menu and change the name.
>>121977588sounds uncomfortable ty
>>121977861
To them it's just an excuse to not be forced to reverse-image-search.
>>121977502
More like is there no Yuri Kuma today?
>[Ohys-Raws] Yuri Kuma Arashi - 08.5 SP (MX 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4
Don't tell me it's a recap episode.
This thread is taken largely out of context, I think people are forgetting he said this around when he was working on Sailor Moon.
Compare the old Sailor Moon anime where the focus was always on the girls and their friendship/teamwork while Mamoru and Usagi's relationship took a backseat. It allowed for all the girls to have a really strong and believable team and care about each other. All the senshi interacted and had unique relationships with each other. Relationship meaning friendship or yuri depending on if the viewer is wearing /u/gogglesunless we're talking about Michiru and Haruka which is straight up yuri
On the other hand the manga and Crystal, which can largely be agreed on are shit, focus almost solely on Usagi/Mamoru's romance and also sensei/shitennou ships. The whole story simply functions around the fact Usagi and Mamoru are destined lovers and everything else is just secondary.
So, in that sense I agree with Ikuhara. He's since proved with Penguindrum he doesn't mind het romances and can do them really well.
>>121978033
Recaps get proper numbering - unless you use commie.
.5 probably means it's not part of the regular series. Maybe an onsen episode?
>>121971805
>>Ikuhara Cutie Honey when?
>God damn I didn't even realize how much I want this.
Let's put it this way. When is Cutie Honey's next anniversary celebration?
>>121978033
It's an 8.5. Quick run-down here
>>121972869
>>121978086
2023 will be the 50th anniversary.
Lots of time to hope.
>>121978076
>which can largely be agreed on are shit
If only.
>>121978076
Clearly, he was traumatized by Sailor Moon.
>I hate Utena-sama now!! She's not noble anymore! (sob) And I want to kill Akio, from the bottom of my heart.
>Akio, you bastard! You put your dirty penis, the one you shoved up Touga's butt, in Utena-sama!
>>121970098
Utena is a fucking masterpiece, anon.
>>121979027
I hate Ginko-sama now!! She's not noble anymore! (gau) And I want to kill Mitsuko, from the bottom of my heart.
Mitsuko, you bastard! You put your dirty tongue, the one you shoved Sumika's dead body, in Ginko-sama!
>>121979690
Lulu please
>>121972739
>Aria
>>121979759
It's about the daily struggle of an autistic girl.
>>121979027
For all the autism in that article (if you want to call it that) it's really just an exaggerated version of the intended reaction. I too was shocked at that scene, as it involved Utena finally "losing" to Akio. Made the ending even better.
>>121968142
Go watch some romance animes, kid
>>121968724
He said he reads BL manga, so there'svery slimhope.
What do you think his favorites are?
>>121969376
>Ikuhara is insane, listen to his ramblings.
Fixed.
>>121980273
In an insane world, people appearing insane are actually rational.
>>121980372
That's not how it works.
Insanity is not binary.
>>121980232
Probably Kawoshin doujinshi.
>Q: Ikuhara-san, Utena and Sailor Moon are two of the most popular anime amongst yuri fans. Do you intentionally include shoujo-ai subtexts in your work?
>A: No. I'm still able to make a story where it's between a boy and a girl. But I feel irritated to see my girl getting together with some other guy. I've tried to kill off Tuxedo Mask in Sailor Moon many times. But no matter how many times I tried to kill him, he gets resurrected so I only get angrier. So I decided it would be way better if the girl just didn't have a boyfriend to begin with. Of course I'm just kidding. In reality, if I have a guy in the show, the love relationship gets to have a bigger role than the show. And that would be an interesting element, but I wouldn't want that to make that the scene-stealer of the show. Most other shoujo shows are in that direction. It's about who-and-who are getting together, or who-and-who are breaking up. I thought it would be a loss if that would be the big motif just because a girl was the main character. I think there could be more shows with other motives than that.
