HF is probably the best despite me liking Sakura the least of the heroines even less so than Saber. It does tie up a lot of loose ends from Fate Zero and the tone is probably the most mature in that route. What they might do is something similar to what Deen did which is base the route on HF but take elements from the rest of the routes. That would probably be the best if they wanted the work to stand on its own. Again the key people are going to be the director and scriptwriter. That way they could still make the show surprising but also hit some of the emotional highs in the other arcs. The show is going to make or break on the script. Also needs Aoki back in the directing chair, his ass isn't doing anything right now anyway.
Nasu isn't Urobuchi and the director hopefully recognizes that.
>and the tone is probably the most mature in that route.
There wasn't any unreasonable angst though, it was a tough situation to deal with. Same with Sakura, just because you can't relate to being an experiment, doesn't mean you can't appreciate the struggles she makes to try to live a normal life despite being abnormal.
If you think that is angst, then Shirou's constant "I don't deserve happiness" throughout UBW should have thrown you off as well. Same with Fate.
>If you think that is angst, then Shirou's constant "I don't deserve happiness" throughout UBW should have thrown you off as well. Same with Fate.
Not that guy, but it actually did. I fucking hated how every character stopped being a character just to point out of BROKEN!!!! and CRAZY!!! and INSANE!!! (!!!!!!!) is Shirou. God fucking dammit just because you make characters repeat it 500 times throughout the route with a million of exclamation signs won't make it any more good. I think there was more time spent making characters talk about how fucked up Shirou is than, you know, actually making Shirou act like the supposedly insane broken person people and the narrative say he is. Even Sakura was better at acting like a broken individual than him, and that's saying something.
Really excited to hear Noriko as she really wants to express Sakura as she is probably the role she cares about the most.
Also hopefully they have the movies air internationally at the same time as the japanese release. Aniplex did it for the 1st episode of UBW so I can't see them not doing it for the movie. I will fly anywhere they say it plays in the states.
It wasn't shown correctly, but the difference between Ilya and Rin is total magical energy, nor skill. She can pour more magical energy than Rin is willing to sacrifice at one time, which is why she states those familiars are like mini mana factories.
There was even a Tiger Dojo where Ilya explains that magecraft is more of an instinctual thing to her than something she learns.
Give Rin a tool that enables her to use as much magical energy as Ilya and she would be more confident.
>Nasu Kinoko fell in love with the dangerous look of the swords, and applied them to Archer's version of the attack in reference material. Archer utilized them at some point during the battle with Berserker in the visual novel.
It's canon though.
Kanshou & Bakuya
Twin short swords wielded by Archer. When both are equipped at the same time, they enhance the user’s anti-magic and anti-physical attributes, and their own rank as both weapons and Noble Phantasms increases. Further, warding texts are inscribed on the swords’ blades.
Kanshou & Bakuya Overedge
A version of Kanshou & Bakuya used by Archer in the undescribed battle against Berserker in Fate route. Using reinforcement magecraft, the blades have been completely transformed into long swords.
Caladbolg is the demonic sword wielded by the Irish hero Fergus mac Róich in Celtic mythology. The version that Archer projects has been altered to improve its function as an arrow.
In the legends, Fergus mac Róich was the former king of Ulster and foster-father of the hero Cú Chulainn. However, he was tricked out of his kingship, and later allied with Connacht, an enemy of Ulster. During the decisive battle between Connacht and Ulster, Fergus was able to corner the enemy king who had betrayed him, but was prevented from killing him. It is said that he redirected his rage at this turn of events upon three hills, using Caladbolg to blast their tops clean off.
Cú Chulainn is affected by a geass that makes it his duty to be defeated once by the sword so long as the wielder is Ulster-born. For that reason, it could be said to be his natural enemy.
Also, there is a theory that the Caladbolg from Celtic mythology is the same sword as the Caledfwlch from Welsh mythology, making it a prototype of Excalibur.
People who are mentally ill aren't gonna be complete social shut ins, or at least, not all the time. It's about seeing how their mind works outside of the masks they make to function socially.
>Even Sakura was better at acting like a broken individual than him, and that's saying something.
Sakura acted realistically like what someone abused would behave, but again, she was trying to find normality in life. Rin notices her sullen other side because she stalks her all the time, so she'll notice all the times she is depressed and sad, which considering her life, is a lot of the time privately given she is more introspective personality wise.
Add in the supernatural element, and it's not really off the mark how these characters behave. Especially with the retarded way magi society operates. Which isn't far off of some facets of privileged societies in the past.
I sometimes wonder whether Nasu actualy reads any stories or if the jap translations are just horrible.
>Cú Chulainn is affected by a geass that makes it his duty to be defeated once by the sword so long as the wielder is Ulster-born. For that reason, it could be said to be his natural enemy.
Is just straight up wrong
>It does tie up a lot of loose ends from Fate Zero and the tone is probably the most mature in that route.
This doesn't matter, since its not supposed to be a sequel to Fate/Zero in the first place.
>That would probably be the best if they wanted the work to stand on its own.
Thankfully, they're smart and they're not doing that.
>Also needs Aoki back in the directing chair, his ass isn't doing anything right now anyway.
God, no. Absolutely not. Aoki can't direct action scenes for anything. Miura is doing a fine job with Unlimited Blade Works anyway.
She's happy because she finally gets to be in a lead role again. It's pretty funny how out of Shirou,Rin,Saber,Taiga,Kotomine,IIya and Shinji she and Rider's VA's didn't explode into popularity.
The demonic spear used by Lancer. It is a cursed spear with an ominous design. It will unerringly pierce an opponent’s heart, and can annihilate dozens of people with a single throw.
In Celtic mythology, it is the legendary demonic spear possessed by the demigod Cú Chulainn. Because of its huge size for a throwing weapon, nobody except Cú Chulainn was powerful enough to wield it. In some stories, the spear is thrown from the fork of the toes in order to increase its power. The name of this throwing technique is also “Gáe Bolg”.
It is said that it would scatter into countless arrowheads when thrown, wiping out multiple opponents in a single throw. The name Gáe Bolg derives from “ga bool’ga” (serrated throwing weapon), which evokes images of lightning.
Pretty sure his actor is famous for something entirely different.
HF is good for Illya, Shirou, and Kotomine. Even Rin gets a chance to shine, moreso than he own route.
Anyone who thinks HF is the worst route has terrible taste. Rider vs Saber, Shirou stabbing Saber, Rin and Sakura confrontation, Shirou vs Kotomine, and Illya's goodbye to Shirou are literally some of the best scenes in the entire VN.
The only people I see who say that, never liked Sakura in the first place though.
And considering her and Saber VA had great success in Kannadzuki no Miko as Himuro and Chikane, I will say she has been doing alright over the years.
Her role as Kuro in Kurokami was awesome. Plus she did quite well with Maken-ki.
Rin was secondary in her own route. The Archer vs Shirou conflict was the primary focus, everything else was secondary.
But in HF everyone (excluding the Servants) got a chance to shine. Rin's final scene with Sakura (not just the action; the actual conclusion) is much better than anything in UBW. I'm a massive Rinfag and I like how she is handled in HF much more.
>It does tie up a lot of loose ends from Fate Zero
Who cares? It's not a sequel for F/Z. F/Z is a prequel it is supposed to tie in the loose ends from HF/UBW/Fate not the other way around.
>the tone is probably the most mature in that route
>That would probably be the best if they wanted the work to stand on its own.
Adaptations aren't ment to stand on their own, when will you faggots learn this? They are ment to advertise the product it's based on.
>Again the key people are going to be the director and scriptwriter
I doubt that'll save it. HF is the most cringeworthy and angst filled route in all of F/SN. They'd have to rewrite it completely.
>As I said I disagree with you but you're free to have your own opinion.
Saying "I disagree" is retarded, I don't give a fuck if you disagree. You should at least give your reasons why instead of just shitposting.
I agree Heaven's Feel and the eventual Tsukihime adaptation would be better off in Aoki's hands. Not sure if anyone would disagree with that assessment.
>I doubt that'll save it. HF is the most cringeworthy and angst filled route in all of F/SN. They'd have to rewrite it completely.
You call bait on him and then write this? Yellow card for anon.
Honestly I don't want to since this kind of discussion always leads to limitless shitposting on both sides.
But in general I found the way HF handles Rin outside of the final scene pretty lacking.
Most of the important parts on her character are in UBW while HF merely presents a conclusion to her relationship with Sakura and shows her "cold magus side"
>his conflict ends the second he doesn't choose MoS.
That's like saying the thematic conflict of UBW ends at the Archer vs Shirou fight. It doesn't. After the choice, the conflict is focused on Shirou's determination to protect Sakura at all costs, which becomes important when you take Archer's arm into account.
>being carried by himself
That doesn't make any sense.
Nor does the conflict end when he doesn't choose the Superhero end. One could argue that by choosing Superhero, is where thematically it would end, because he killed his own feelings.
He continued to wonder whether what he did would be the right thing, and did care about what happened to the people because he continued to do the patrols even in his condition.
The core point is that information was controlled by Zouken, Kirei, and to a point, Ilya. He was literally stumbling through the dark, unlike the other routes, where the villain to defeat and the objective to be met were always clear and fairly linear.
It doesn't. Archer vs Shirou is about Shirou deciding he will never stray from his ideals, even when faced with reality or impossible odds. The Gilgamesh fight is where he proves that.
Of course his conflict in UBW doesn't end with Archer's fight, he still has to prove his ideal is worth something.
In HF he throws away everything for Sakura, makes several retarded decisions and starts doubting himself which lead to one thing to another and he ended up with Archer's arm. He's essentially being carried by the ideals he had forsaken for Sakura in a way.
How doesn't that make sense? He's essentially being carried by Archer's arm for the rest of HF. He doesn't even rely on his own power but the power of himself that he abandoned.
How exactly is she a shitty angst teenager when she actually has to deal with being a magical experiment and trying to live a normal life, despite knowing she could lose it at anytime. Dismissing it as angst is basically just being narrow minded.
The way you sound, the advice you'd give someone in that situation is to just kill themselves, which is dumb.
You might as well just dumb Rin down to a daddy's girl who ended up in a Battle Royale where she might have to kill people just because her daddy told her to.
I ain't saying it couldn't have been written more tastefully, but you really sound like the same type that call UBW mindless shonen.
It's reinforcement, not broken phantasm, which only raises rank by one. Or maybe it's crane wing technique the A rank attack. Or maybe Archer didn't kill Berserker with overedge and using them was just pointless.
I never cared about Sakura. I don't get why people hate her if she's just boring.
The worm thing was unnecessary and disgusting, though. I fucking hate bugs, specially worms so the whole thing was twice as disgusting for me.
I don't get why did Archer didn't use 9 blade works or a stronger version of it? He is clearly above Shirou even with gaining his arm.
The way she deals with everything and how she lashed out at everything essentially made her an angsty teenager in the first place. She's a suicidal woe is me character without a personality who's afraid to off herself with an overprotective servant. Sakura says several times through HF that she wants to die, it's not advice but what she actually wants until Rin tells her otherwise in the end. I'm not saying that's all her character is you idiot, I'm saying the way she deals with it is pretty fucking angsty.
Because you weren't aloud to see anything awesome in the Fate route. They teased so much and explored it in the other two routes. The only thing I was left unsatisfied with was Lancer vs Gil, but that would be way too difficult to write up so let's not think about it.
Because that hurts him more than it helps him and is genuinely less effective in battle than normal projection. Which btw, he does practice on his own other than using the arm, if you paid attention.
The first axe sword he makes before Nine Bullet Revolver for example, was his own projection and he got smashed into a couple trees for it. Then he used the arm.
Using something that will make your brain turn to jelly during high speed battle takes guts. What carried him wasn't Archer's arm, but the will to keep going despite the consequences of using it, which he has in all three routes. As well as his own ingenuity.
Because it doesn't work that way, it doesn't cancel all magic, it cuts connections. Once he heard that she had a contract with Avenger he got the idea once he had time to sit down and think without going into a coma. You forget, at this point he has to continually cut himself to stay awake.
Was I a good villain in the Saber route?
I would. Aoki is overrated as hell. All his action scenes are garbage and Aldonoah Zero isn't doing anything to prove that statement otherwise. People hype him because "hurr HF is dark like F/0 so obviously he'd be best choice," but you give HF to him and you can be damn sure the climax, the heart of the route, will be underwhelming. People don't ever seem to acknowledge that Miura was given the opportunity to handle some of Fate/Zero's best episodes, and that he's doing a fine job with Unlimited Blade Works. I wish we had the BDs already so I can see how he handled those extra 100 minutes that couldn't fit onto the TV broadcast.
What? Not this again.
Ilya says herself that his projection is something he inherently has, not anything to do with ideals or whatnot.
I just mentioned he used a copy of Berserker's axe sword without the arm's help. He just used the theory behind it in the arm to learn. But that was him that thought of doing something desperate like that. Nothing to do with Archer.
It's similar to how Shirou got more powerful watching Archer, but this was done in a more intimate way. But both methods are essentially getting cheat sheets to unlocking what they already had inside them.
Shirou uses the power of Archer who lived his entire life by the ideal that HF Shirou threw away.
Also I'm pretty sure that somewhere in UBW it was stated that his ideals are the "power" behind his projections. Don't remember where though
>his ideals are the "power" behind his projections.
That doesn't make sense, if we go by that Shirou shouldn't be able to use projection after throwing away his ideals. Or at least they shouldn't be as effective, and they are.
Did you even read Nine Bullet Revolver? Shirou was searching with Archer's UBW for a weapon that can match Berserkers, he is using Archer's magic and not his own. Shirou has the ability for projection but does not know how to fully utilize it by himself. Hence he is essentially being given everything by Archer and is carrying him to victory.
Shirou's reality marble is dependent on his Ideals.
Yes, but it's not like he knew all the details until later. The only thing he knew was that it felt like Sakura, and even then, that was an extremely vague thing. Is it Sakura? Did someone put something in Sakura? Is it her magic being used by someone else? None of this is clear. Especially considering when we the audience see that Sakura is not hurt, wet, or cut up like the Shadow is until the two become one much, much later.
So imagine how confused and uncertain Shirou is when he doesn't have our outward viewpoint. Hell, Rin is the most seasoned magi in their group, and she almost guessed it right about the grail malfunctioning as the cause, but then went full magus with "must kill the heretic" instead of finishing that route of thought. And she even has a map to the Greater Grail! So how do you expect a novice like Shirou to connect the dots without our perspective?
Why is Ufotable's Sakura so fucking cute? She's even prettier than Saber and Rin.
>The one(?) time he projected wasn't effective at all.
He projected a lot. Gem sword, Rule Breaker, Berserker's sword. The faggy magical petal shield during the Alter Saber vs. Rider fight. The gem sword wasn't very good by his standards, but still effective, as Rin proved.
I was making the point that projection us bad for him in that state since Archer's arm was already attached to his circuits. The restraint was still on, meaning the flow was cut off from the arm. He got the fee back from trying to project when his body was in that condition, take a look at it again.
And no, ideals have nothing to do with him having UBW. Avalon was the reason his origin turned to "Sword" and his magic on close combat weaponry, read the articles in the CM3.
>ideals have nothing to do with him having UBW
His reality marble changes as his world view changes. UBW changes depends on that. Ideals are a factors. Are you an idiot? It's the reason he couldn't use Archer's UBW, their realities were different.
The technique can be used with almost anything. A sword, a bow, even a shield, the weapon doesn't matter. The axe-sword is not even a Noble Phantasm, just like Medusa's chain daggers or Assassin's dirks.
>Yes, but it's not like he knew all the details until later.
He knew enough to try to kill her in her sleep with a kitchen knife, and that's way before she fused with the shadow. The rest of the route was them watching and suffering over Sakura being one with the shadow and doing mean things (which was like half of the route), and it wasn't until the last minute Shirou came up with that shit.
>all the heroines are underweight by BMI.
There's no such thing as an underweight woman, there are fat women, not as fat women and almost not fat women.
What you're saying is equivalent to saying men can be raped.
His world and Archer's are different means exactly what it says it means. If it was attached to UBW Shirou he would have the same issues. Otherwise Rin would never say that he could use his RM if he trained post HF, where the only problem was the magical energy not flowing properly.
This romantic viewpoint of him being able to not use what is inherent to him is wrong. UBW is projection, and projection is UBW, if he really lost it, he would never be able to project anything, and he makes knives and such in practice during the route without the arm, because as it was said many times, USING THE ARM IS DANGEROUS.
Why do you think Rin is so pissed with her caging herself trying to be perfect all the time, and her baby sister gets bazookas and a booty that doesn't quit, while just enjoying food normally?
This is now a Tamamo thread
You missed the entire point I was trying to make. Everything works if Shirou has Ideals or not, UBW is the only thing that changes if his view changes hence him having his ideals or not. I never said he wasn't able to use it, I'm saying that his UBW will be different than the others but the function should be the same.
Still waiting on translation of pic related.
Why there are only two or three images of this scene? It's the best scene from the entire game.
She is the best waifu you can find and she's not a slut.
He's not the best, but he is broken as fuck.
>yfw you will never be one half of a duo as kuuruu as Gil and Uryuu
That's a really good point there. She is indeed a little perverted and she constantly talk about making love etc. but her "good" traits still outshine her "bad" ones.
That's why you post ugly as fuck Tamamo's pic?