I tried getting a job there but they said they weren't hiring.
Vertical pls hire me
>You mean you haven't already?
I just recently became a fan a couple of months ago, and other things take priority over Monogatari.
>not buying the translations as well
>How shit can you be?
That's just being stupid and throwing money away.
>You're the one being stupid here.
You're an idiot if you think there's a point in buying the original release and also someone's translation of it just to support the western manga/LN industry.
How about supporting the actual people who created the material at half the price?
>How about supporting the actual people who created the material at half the price?
Sure, by all means, please do that.
I do that as well.
I also want to support the western industry so we can keep getting anime, manga and light novel over here. If people didn't support the western anime/manga/light novel industry, we wouldn't get, for example, anime movies like Haruhi and Rebellion in cinemas overseas.
I don't trust the western light novel 'industry'
If it doesn't sell well they'll simply cut their losses and get out, anal-fucking everyone who bought it and leaving them with an incomplete collection. Not to mention the very act of licensing scares off translators from smaller projects.
>want to support the western industry so we can keep getting anime, manga and light novel over here
We're at the point where they'll only stop if it sells like shit.
Oh wait no Vertical didn't do that when GTO The Early years sold worse then anything they'd ever released.
We're at a point where we don't even have to worry about them fucking up the cover like what happened with Spice and Wolf. Even if the guy they have running the Vertical tumblr said he'd wish they could change every single cover to something that would sell more.
RIP Vertical. Translating Monogatari would be the death of the translation team.
That's why translations that need to maintain a level of income is the worst shit, even worse than fanmade ones.
I'm not really sure how I feel about this. I used to like Vertical for some of the stuff they published but I feel like even though they try to license some really good stuff they're pretty flaky on follow-ups.
Like, they published Litchi Hikari Club a while ago and never bothered releasing the prequel manga that goes with it. They said they were going to try releasing some of Asumiko Nakamuras anthologies and we've gotten nothing. And they have a recent tendency to only publish titles that have anime adaptations in production. I can see why they do it for money but it's really dissatisfying for some manga readers. Sometimes their name and quality is shielded by all the good stuff they license.
Isn't that only if they specify "don't change the cover" and even then Vertical and argue a change if they really wanted?
I know something like that happened with Animal Land but that wasn't put out by Vertical.
>Oh wait no Vertical didn't do that when GTO The Early years sold worse then anything they'd ever released.
This is why it was bullshit when they acted like if Gundam the Origin didn't get a certain number of preorders they'd cancel the release.
I know they changed the cover for Litchi Hikari Club and it annoyed Usamaru Furuya enough that he objected, so they had to change it again. But even then the final version they chose doesn't look as good as the Japanese cover.
>I also want to support the western industry so we can keep getting anime, manga and light novel over here
A decline in official localizations won't keep them away from American fans, and we have enough plebs buying AoT and other shit to satisfy companies.
I, myself, see no point in buying localized manga if I'm learning the language, can access most of them online for free, and the originals are half the price.
Anime is a different story due to dual-audio (or no english dub at all), but I'd only buy shit I really particularly like.
>we wouldn't get, for example, anime movies like Haruhi and Rebellion in cinemas overseas.
Nah, this is a different time. They cancelled Zaregoto, Gosick, Shana, Vamp!, Shinigami no Ballad and some other because they weren't a popular thing back then. It was too new for the mainstream fans.
But now Yen Press is licensing the shit out of everything, so other companies are giving it a go, too. Seven Seas already gave up, but Vertical is a bro-tier company. Besides, they're releasing Kizu, not the whole Monogatari series.
No. 1 sign of an author who has never been published internationally before. All Amerishit covers are bad, all UK/Australian, HK and Japanese covers are good. Others are variable. It's just a fact of life.
>It was too new for the mainstream fans.
Tokyopop was doing the same thing long before they tried, it wasn't new. They had Slayers, .//Hack, NHK, Trinity Blood, even Twelve Kingdoms and Kino's Journey.
>they published Litchi Hikari Club a while ago and never bothered releasing the prequel manga that goes with it.
I hate when that happens, but I hate it more when they just ignore the sequels that are just as long as the original series.
Goddamnit Yen Press, I just want more Bungaku Shoujo.
And none of that worked. I don't think anyone knew what a LN was until they started publishing Haruhi. Hell, I bet most people don't even know Slayers is a LN.
There's so much stuff that would fit their old niche, I hate reading their blog posts where employees write about good manga that they're pretty much never going to license.
At least they released Prophecy I guess.
I'm optimistic about this. Vertical is probably the best publisher in the states for manga, and they tend to stick it out for series even if they don't sell particularly well.
They're not a bad company, and I've bought several titles by them (mostly LNs), but it just bothers me. I'd let it pass if they were simply side stories, but we're talking about actual sequels here. On top of not announcing the sequels, they announced a shit ton of other new LNs, meaning that they won't touch BS for several years. I hope they don't do the same to DRRR!! and Index, eventually.
Besides, they shortened their S&W release span. At least they care.
>Hell, I bet most people don't even know Slayers is a LN.
Probably. Something I would actually buy, being a Slayers fan, but lo and behold, it was cancelled and I won't buy a single volume. Guess I'll grab the originals but they seem hard to find despite the popularity.
That reminds me, damn I loved AI Buster. I thought it was the coolest shit.
I hope someone remembers that Vamp! was licensed several years ago and never released a single volume.
I also hope that Dengeki Climax helps boost the popularity of Dengeki titles in the west (not that it needs it, though, considering SAO, AW, S&W and many others are already being published).
I just want more Shinigami no Ballad.
>I hope someone remembers that Vamp! was licensed several years ago and never released a single volume.
First time hearing that, what the hell.
Vertical has admitted that they're in debt, it's not like there's a super high demand for them to reprint anything. They barely sell 4k as it is because faggots say
>buying english translations
and wonder why they drop series. I guess /a/ prefers machine translations or JP-Chinese- English translations from amateurs.
I wouldn't say they're shitty, but they have some really fucking retarded people working there.
>Which Gundam series would you like us to license?
>Crossbone? Sorry, that's too old.
I want them to release more Kyoko Okazaki stuff. I have both Pink and Helter Skelter, but it would be great to see some of her older stuff like Tokyo Girls Bravo and Happy House in English, or even a physical copy of River's Edge.
Vertical has done many series and generally doesn't drop any. They did all of flowers of evil, for example. They try to choose somewhat obscure but still popular series, though that's wavered a bit over the years and some titles don't exactly fit under that banner.
Well, no one wants to wait 10 years for something get translated just so that they abandon the projet after a few volumes.
Might as well learn the language and buy the original.
It has the worst pages to episodes ratio, they cut out a bunch of character moments with Shinobu, they phoned-in the Jianshi designs, and the scene with Kiss-Shot was rushed as all hell.
Would you buy more manga if companies only focused on manga that were either being fan translated slowly or not at all?
I really want to support vertical and see more translation of light novels, but I have already read the stuff in Japanese. Ed Chavez is a super cool guy, though, I always enjoy his panels. Unfortunately, Vertical is cutting back on the cons they do because they realized many of the people who go to the panels are the same people who just want to see Ed talk and they're not actually advertising effectively.
I wouldnt have a problem with english releases at all if they would start doing it right.
But lets take Index as an example. They released volume 1 last november and volume to will come out this month. It has like 22 volumes + specials + testament.
Who the fuck wants to wait years for them to catch up?
4 months between releases is pretty quick for a translation of that scale. People seem pretty ok with it for Spice and Wolf. More than anything I'm stunned at how fast the original author writes. Even in some of the later volumes (where presumably he doesn't have a lot of material built up), he's putting out a book with two months of turnaround. That's fucking crazy.
>Who the fuck wants to wait years for them to catch up?
I said the same thing about Haruhi, Bungaku Shoujo and Spice and Wolf. Turns out, Haruhi is completed, so is Bungaku Shoujo and S&W is already on its 13th volume. I didn't even realize.
Time is a scary thing.
Still, it sucks and no one wants to wait that much, specially for a series that has been translated for ages. I believe most people buying the volumes already read them and just want to have them physical, like I did with Haruhi.
>novel on november
>american screening on december
I want to believe.
Would buy if licensed.
The problem is that most of the translations on b-t are fucking awful and wildly incorrect. Some are a little better than others, but I know Accel world and monogatari in particular have errors on damn near every other line.
Not him but SHAFT prez said so in The Rebellion premiere in LA.
Oh, i see. Sounds like something that could happen to me as well.
But i can totally understand that people dont want to wait for them to catch up, seeing as i have all the ln's on my tablet. And honestly, its a long time to wait.
Speaking of LNs: Any series you'd like to see released or revived (because Seven Seas)?
I'd buy every HakoMari volume.
>Can't say the same about pretty much everything else, but hey, those are not licensed.
The two I listed, accel world and kizu, have been licensed. My point is that it doesn't make sense to say "oh, I've already read these" if you've read the trash that's there for many series. I think you're right in that the index translations are actually not bad (I just skimmed a couple pages and didn't see anything egregious) but they're the exception, and not the rule. Tons of stuff is being licensed for whatever reason and it should be interesting to see where the US LN market goes this year.
>if Kizu sells well, we might get the rest of the series.
>Is there someone I can pay to translate LNs on a per volume basis and have them do a good job?
Given the huge volume of text, I doubt you'd be willing to pay the price a decent translator commands.
>Is there someone I can pay to translate LNs on a per volume basis and have them do a good job?
Yes, any professional translator. The catch is that even LNs, that tend to be short (unless you're the author of Horizon), would be expensive as FUCK. Translator charge a shit ton of money per book.
I wonder why they don't just keep the original cover. Is it a fear that it won't jive with brick-and-mortar consumers (who I understand are still hugely important in physical book sales) or is it some kind of weird licensing thing with the Japanese publishers?
>So it's like Nichijou in that it was licensed and the the company that licensed it fucking died so it's in limbo forever.
I will never forgive Bandai for this. Fuck. Muh Nichijou.
>supporting the middle man who wants the bread, the money of the bread, the bakery, and your house.
Having the west putting its nose in a media I enjoy for not being bound by the same rules would be stupid.
I'd rather learn japanese and enjoy the original product for what it is : a story who was by some japanese man/woman and his editor while being free do things like talking about/drawing rape, showing nudity or any other shit he wanted to do as long as he published his shit where he should.
Unless I can win money by licensing translating and selling it, then I'm ok with it and I think that it would help our community a lot and I'm all for it.
Man, I'd forgotten about the whole Bandai-Nichijou thing.
A cover is an ad for the book. Different demographics need diffrent adds. This is standard practice with normal books - even between countries that speak the same language, covers will be changed.
I buy shit from Japan directly, I don't need localized shit.
There's absolutely no point to selling shit that simply not only don't have audience around casuals, but also can be found around web much faster.
Official localization is killing fandom, not helping it.
>bitching about different covers
As long as the art inside is unchanged and the translation is good, the sacrifice is worth it. I hate fucking seeing good series getting "picked up"
killedby people like larethian. Or those fucks at Viz/Tokyopop who take my money and jet.
Is manga that's only use is for masturbation material get licensed often?
Oh and Hyakki even managed to get far enough to have an Amazon page. It's been like this for five years.
>Spice & Wolf
>No Game No Life
Where were you when Yen Press saved the LN west market? Now they only need to release not-ultra mainstream shit and we'll be all good.
Hopefully Kizu comes out this year too.
But seriously don't most of the series have tons of Japanese only word play. This is probably a one off.
Also they'll need to keep the title the same.
>Also they'll need to keep the title the same.
They'll probably call it "Kizumonogatari: [subtitle]", just so people can actually read the title.
I just hope it's not something stupid like "A Vampire Love Story" or somethign Twilight-like like that.
I mean I know the vocal minority of /a/ are entitled leech NEETs but surely your cognitive dissonance can't be so strong as to think more money for what you like is bad....?
Do you understand they need funding to make things?
Do you remember Shakugan no Shana
>multiple volumes translated in BT
>LICENSED BY VIZ
>translations taken down
>Viz releases TWO FUCKING VOLUMES and never again
Enjoy your no more translations, official or fanmade.
In the case of LNs, this is a mercy killing. They're trash 95% of the time. Even manga is often translated by novices who are learning Japanese as they go. The only thing it's good for is increasing awareness in the hopes of a better translator or a proper publisher picking it up.
I'm talking about paying for stuff and I'm happy with the expansion of the English LN market. How is this poorfag or butthurt?
They announced it as KizuMonogatari, they would have come up with a new title for the announcement if they were going to use one at all. The worst you'll have to put up with is the capitalization.
I see a huge difference between buying localised LNs and localised manga.
Mainly because LNs are harder to translate well, so most fan translations are trash and also because reading manga in Japanese is generally easier than trying to read a full novel.
This is only good to fill in gaps in the story for those who want to read a better translation. Fuck all money will go to VOFAN / Nisio unless you buy the Jap books.
I don't think you actually read Kizu.
That was fucking Viz, though. They fucked up, along with Tokyopop and Seven Seas, back in the day. They released tons of series and killed them after one or two volumes (Gosick, Kino, Shana, Shinigami no Ballad, etc).
Vertical and Yen Press at least finish their stuff. So far, they haven't dropped anything, as far as I know. It helps that people are actually buying the damn books now.
Stop it already, it's just embracing to look at.
>don't want to buy shit I can easily download and probably read it already long time ago
>can buy original anytime
>hurrdurrr u must be a poorfag NEETXD
>they'll need to keep the title the same.
The title can't be translated.
Is there a word who can describe scar/bruise story and damaged good story ?
But well, even if the word play isn't that great anymore, the story alone make it better than most LNs you can find.
>Oshino Meme will shines like never in that one
I predict a lot of threads made by anons who will be all over his dick like what happened after Kaiki MSS2.
>Fuck all money will go to VOFAN / Nisio unless you buy the Jap books.
From what I've heard from Ed at his panels, a fairly significant portion actually goes back to the Japanese company. How much of that goes to the actual author I don't know, but the revenue for the company is what matters when deciding whether to maintain a series (not that monogatari is hurting in popularity). Many titles require them to publish a certain number and they are forced to pay per book published rather than book sold (Japan/US difference, apparently) so they can easily lose money if something sells poorly. Still, Vertical is very deliberate in their releases and they carefully gauge interest rather than shotgunning any garbage they can a la Tokyopop.
They all fucked up back then, everyone licensed loads of shit that no one bought, because it was really shit. Exactly the same thing that caused the video game crash a few decades ago.
Yen were tiny back then so came through it without dropping anything.
What would you buy if it was licensed?
Not fishing for what's popular on 4Chan that isn't being translated and might make Vertical money I promise.
Seriously, fuck off and go back to reddit, you look like huge fucking retard.
You will have more luck on some shitty animeforum, since they are major audience for his kind of crap.
That's fine with me. I'm just still bitter I have to wait like 4 years for Yen Press to catch up to fan translations of No Game No Life. (If they even get that far.)
The western industry as I see it operates like parasites. They lie in wait while fans do work, see what's popular, then finally license the content, kill fan projects, and delay the progress of the translations (that were fine without them) by 5 years or more depending on if they drop it.
Do you have a source for this?
I don't have a source for the fact they don't get money, but considering how most licensing works for shit like anime and manga it's more likely they don't then they don't.
Better in what sense? Vertical releases more slowly than YP in many cases and I hear they pay translators somewhat better. I was talking to the guy who translated S&W at Otakon, and he was saying they (YP) were giving like 2 month deadlines for translation on some newer works, which is about half what he had when working on S&W (which YP also published, but it was before this new LN push). So it's possible the translations are better, though a lot of that is subjective. They also tend to work closely with the Japanese company, releasing the books in a variety of formats depending on what is best for the series and what the author wants.
Probably not unless they confirm they're doing the whole series.
You're a fucking moron. This goes under /a/ related news you faggot. Do you report buyfag threads as well?
It is true for anime, since the Japanese BDs cost a lot more.
Yen press and Vertical are ok. Wouldn't give my money to viz ever though.
Speaking of which viz is owned by Shueisha anyway, how are they middlemen?
If you've been into anime/manga for longer than a couple years you should've been learning Japanese a long time ago. It's pretty sad that the current /a/ is all for this instead of actually supporting the original author.
Just goes to show how much this place has declined, glad I barely come on here anymore.
>It is true for anime, since the Japanese BDs cost a lot more.
That doesn't make a difference. The anime studios get paid a flat rate for a series, then all the money from sales goes to the publisher.
This shit doesn't support industry because west is fucking irrelevant with it's sales.
Only ignorant newfags think it's relevant and supporting anything, not to mention that most of western audience don't care about anything other big 3 or some really popular entry level shit, they won't buy some unknown manga/LN which like already happend, will be simply ignored, and thanks for that, no one will make a fan translation because it's already officially owned.
>The anime studios get paid a flat rate for a series, then all the money from sales goes to the publisher.
And normally the publisher gets the anime made in the first place.
Unless it's a sunrise or Kyoani original, studios are almost always just contracted.