>think /a/ is being edgy as usual for saying Kaiki a best
>hurr generic nihilistic bad guy with bad aura
>watch S2
>get to koinomonogatari
holy shit 10/10 I'm sold
Kaiki best grillafter bat
Kaiki is amazing, definitely one of my top favorite characters. Still, in the terms of the exorcists, Oshino is my husbando.
>dat unwavering neutrality
Who is actually the strongest exorcist? Gaen?
I liked it when he was tricking middle schoolers. That was the funnest part.
>>121046755
Took you long enough
>>121048017
I know, I started Bake 10 days ago or so
>>121046755
kaiki is dead forever
Why is he so weak compared to the other specialists?
>>121048103
>implying
The moment his theme playing, I knew this guy is something.
>>121048103
>implications
>>121048182
Something which the other girls cannot even compete with.
>>121048127
Sure he has way with words but Dude cant fight for shit
>>121048288
He doesn't need to, precisely because of his way with words.
>>121048288
>stregth = punches
that dude kept calm in a literal ocean of snakes, whilst dealing with an agry and mental GOD,
then proceeded not only to calm her down, but to brainwash her, knock her out and pull a goddamn talisman out of her throat.
Meanwhile Hitagi was at home constantly changing panties because she was dripping wet for him
I really like Kaiki. He is an interesting guy, not completely black or white, his snake arc really made his character shine and he is not the piece of shit I thought he was.
Snake still a shit though.
>>121048372
>Snake still a shit though.
I would do the 100 visit ritual only toworship her feet
>>121048347
Yet he gets pawned by some frustrated middle schooler
Stop being a namefag and I might like you.
>>121049130
I'm a namefag on /p/ since it's pretty much the norm there and I'm too lazy to leave it off when I'm on /a/.
Feel free to consider me anonymous (I encourage you to do so) or filter me.
have a nice day.
>>121046755
>Kaiki is 2edgy4me saturday morning cartoon villain because Nise
>Kaiki is best grill, kyaaa~, because Koi
Can't any of you faggots see beyond what is obvious and think for yourselves?
>>121049480
>>121048372
Simply put, he's a well developed character that shows he isn't some generic villain.
>>121049480
What the fuck are you saying? We can't change our opinion of a character after they get some development?
>>121048551
That was a lie though.
>>121049582
>development
How exactly has Kaiki changed from hexing Karen to exorcising Nadeko?
>>121049733
>changed
it's more like we have been shown more of him, so we have a better picture
>>121049733
Exorcising Nadeko was the first time in the series he helped somebody out for reasons besides money.
>>121049733
He worded that wrong.
It's just that we got to know him better.
Remember that nise is from Rararagis viewpoint.
How would the other specialists have dealt with Nadeko Medusa? Gaen wanted to keep her installed as the god of that city, or was that just her way of manipulating Kaiki into going forward with his own plans?
>>121049764
Development doesn't have to be how the character has changed, just how we see them.
>>121050123
Meme would have tried to have her step down, just with a different approach. Yozuru would have just murdered her.
>>121050123
Manipulation. She saw it as partly her responsibility and wanted it resolved. Putting up the money he needed just had to be done indirectly as Kaiki wouldn't accept simply working for her.
>>121047697
She knows everything so yeah
>>121048288
The man is faster than kanbaru. As if he's not hiding mystic fighting powers. Probably smart enough to hid them to stay unnoticed and live it up with moneys.
>>121050934
Kagenui would probably fuck off because it's not her problem.
>>121051232
But dumb enough to not look behind him when given the chance.
>>121051257
She was going to kill bird just because she was a fake.
Snake wasn't even a real god, never mind being a menace to he entire town.
>>121051257
I think "god" falls under her purview, being an immortal being.
Kaiki really was best suited for the job, because the only way to beat her was to break her.
Oshino is slick enough to steal a vampire's heart without her noticing, but against a god? I have no idea.
>>121051368
how old is Oshino anyway?
In Kizu Arararararagi describes him as clearly old, even though juvenile
I think the anime failed in this regard and everybody looks 30 top
>>121051301
Shaft knew couldn't live up to expectations so they killed him, is what I like to believe. Maybe he just got complacent after declawing a demi-God and getting shit tonnes of cash.
>>121051416
An then in Hana he's a ghost?
>>121051407
Pretty sure NisiO makes fun of the fact the anime would portray him as a cool, rugged middle-aged man. He has to be late-30's early-40's, and probably is meant to "look" older in the LN's because hes described as a dirty hobo.
>>121051232
This arc just made Kaiki looked good and really made me hate snake. I didn't like snake when they introduced her, and I sure as hell didn't like that brat in this story.
>>121051407
late 30s early 40s.
>>121051464
>>121051489
butdid something good happen?
>>121051504yes
>>121046755
That is not how you use the quote function.
I think doll is best, I said with a posed face.
>>121051416
>so they killed him
You're really stupid, aren't you? Go watch episode 1 of Koimonogatari again. Or don't, I'll just tell you:Koimonogatari in its entirety is told by Kaiki himself, he even said that the story will not be a 100% true but that it will be a good story. In other words he isn't dead you bozo.
>>121051563
>>121051723
It's the people who think Hana proves he was alive who are being stupid.
There's not really a good reason to decide he was lying about being attacked. In fact comments in the latter books support that it did happen.
Shaft didn't kill him off though.
>>121051606
>>121051772
>50% of Oshino pics are Oshino x Araragi
>>121052082
Well Oshino is part of Raragi's harem isn't he?
>>121052163who's the uke and who's the seme
>>121046755
Bat is shinobu, yes?
>>121053210
yes
>>121053222
Bat is best girl, followed by bee, followed by crab.
>>121053257
notu this shitu again-desu
>>121053270
Where ever there is anime there are also waifu wars.Also monkey a best
>>121046755
>edgy
>kiddie first buzzword
>ever using it at all
>>121047961
It's more or less implied he's making a living waking them up from their ignorance whilst scamming them.
Just finished Nisemonogatari
Best subs for Neko, Mono S2, Hana, Tsuki ?Crab best girl
>>121055603Commie
>>121055603
>tsuki
>subs
hahaha;_;
Has anyone here at all read the book?
Most part is in Kaiki's point of view and at the end,
he says that he met a group of people(kids) he fooled before and they beat him to the death.
But see,
he is a liar, and he says himself that he got killed doesn't make any sense.
The best man lives.
>>121055766
>Commie
>For all
I'm not sure if you're fucking with me or not
>>121055972
Well not for tsuki becausesubs neverbut yeah, pretty much everything after bake.
>>121055921
I've read Koi. Whereas you seem to have misread it.
>>121048288
violence is the last refuge of the incompetent
>>121056115
which part?
hanamonogatari is after koimonogatari in story time, he shows up.
>>121055603
Anything but commie.
>>121056224
Commie are the only decent subs for -monogatari.
>>121056223
It was specifically one middle schooler who attacked him, not a group.
He shows up in Hana, but that doesn't mean he was alive.
>>121056281
It's been a while so yes I was wrong about the "group" part.
but come on,
he buys Kanbaru a meat, he lied about himself dying. I mean, I don't know why I'm even telling you this, go to 2ch or any reviewing site there was a huge discussion when Koi first came out.
Btw, if you can't read Japanese, too bad, keep on believing the best man is dead.
>>121056395
It's because I can read Japanese that I think the ghost theory fits better than the lying about his death theory.
>>121056419
.....THE GHOST THEORY?
or the ghost nonsense?
a ghost buys Suruga meat
a ghost can be seen other than Araragi or ghosts
even before that,
Kaiki getting killed by a normal middle school kid with a bat?
Kaiki who overpowered Fire Sisters?
I don't think so.
I mean, really? or are you just messing with me?
>>121046755
>nihilism
tip top
>>121056608
I think that was OP's point, anon.
>>121048039
>up until 10 days ago there were people in /a/ that hadn't seen Bakemonogatari
I love kaiki!!
>>121051461
I haven't read LN summaries, so I'm under the impression that it was a fake sent by either gaen or ougi
>>121056395
>>121056419
It's never stated in the show that he dies. It just fades to black.Also there's the Kaiki stroll, no ghost can do that
>>121056582
You're just making dumb assumptions. Different types of ghosts have different rules so there's no sense in making assumption about what a ghost can't do or whether they can be seen. Like Numachi could be seen by the 2 people she directed to the authorities.
Kaiki being able to take Karen by surprise and knock her out doesn't mean he's some superhuman who isn't vulnerable to being taken out by a surprise blow to the head. He said Karen's mistake was coming alone.
>>121053804
Did you watch nise? For once this is being used correctly.
>>121049754
I'd have to believe there was some altruism behind bankrupting the cult that ruined Hitagi's family.
>>121048288
>>121051232
His whole point is that he doesn't "believe" in oddities.
If he has any kind of powers he wouldn't be able to "pretend to be retarded."
>>121049480
>not liking the old man who steals money from dumb kids
>not liking the guy who "pretends to be retarded"
>not liking his first appearence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GG8nJ5hItU&list=PLo7VeBmhIbQaxa7GCicF1XTCqjP1DZg0f&index=1
>Not loving the shit out of the mastermind of Nise
BakeSS just added to his developement.
His encounter with kambaru did even better.
>>121057331
And orchestrating the deaths of all the other con men.
Kaiki has always been a nice guy.
>>121047697
Strongest as in STRONGEST would be Kagenui.
In terms of knowledge, Gaen.
In terms of actually getting shit done, Oshino.
>>121058737
Only because Kanbaru started making monkey sounds.
>>121062077
And in terms of bullshitting, Kaiki.
>>121062207
Kaiki is sort of middle of the field. He's not extraordinarily knowledgable, strong or anything but he gets shit done via intricate scams.
>>121046755
Kaiki isn't really a nihilist.
He's more of an extreme materialist and a dick.
>this thread is still alive
kaiki a best indeed
>>121062077
I wonder if Kagenui's curse would make sex with her more interesting in some ways.
>>121062123
>monkeysounds.webm
http://a.pomf.se/avcnpw.webm
>>121049480
Nise is from Araragi's perspective. Koi is from Kaiki's perspective. You're seeing the character from two lenses, neither of which are necessarily accurate. Koi is moreso though, as it is Kaiki's thoughts, it just includes is egotistical bias.
Kaiki is shit.
>>121062630
That's not true. Kaiki's stating the bare, naked truth.
I still haven't watched Tsukimonogatari, is it good?
>>121062748
Better than Hana.
>>121062700
>believing in Kaiki's lies
Just because he's the only one who admits to lying does not mean he's more reliable.
>>121062748
It's okay.
>>121062748
>no subs
who knows
>>121062773
Even nise and neko-black were better than Hana
>>121062786
Kaiki never lies.
>>121062450
Probably not. She's got the strength to take you from behind whether or not she can stand on the ground.
>>121062811
>neko-black
Hana is actually interesting and nice to watch.
>>121056865
I think I heard in some thread that hes in one of the later books
>>121062872
Don't mind him, he's just in every thread hating on Hana.
>>121061231
Yeah, it's pretty obvious that's the case when he spends like two (?) whole episodes trying to devise a reasonably scummy justification for helping out Hitagi. He clearly wants to help her from the beginning, but his own code requires him to be as greedy and sleazy as he can about it.
>>121062938
He has an appearance in Final Season, but it's a scene set during Nise
>>121063141
well shit
>>121063123
Isn't his justification for helping out Senjougahara after his mental gymnastics just "Araragi knows Kanbaru. That's reason enough to do it for such a low price."
Obviously he wants to help Senjougahara but I don't think him honoring his promise to Tooe is really scummy justification.
>>121063328
>>121063123
The whole point of Koi was Kaiki pretending to be a good guy pretending to be a bad guy when he's neither.
>>121063428
I dunno, I'd take it that while his whole "Not everyone is evil all the time" speech from Hana shows that he's probably both.
To the people he conned, he's a bad guy.
To the people like Kanbaru, he's a good guy.
>>121063596
At least he doesn't drive a gay car.
>>121063596
That is what I meant.
![[Commie] Hanamonogatari [E055B3E8][00-20-30].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GG4Q8OG.jpg "[Commie] Hanamonogatari [E055B3E8][00-20-30].jpg")
>m-muh Kaiki
Not saying he is a bad character, but he is way overrated around here.
Oshino Meme was a way better character.
Kaiki is pretty much his replacement, though not nearly as good.
>>121047697
This guy knows what
>>121062831
He lied about a kid hitting him on the head with a rock. And the reason that Kaiki is never mentioned by name in Hana is because Kanbaru refuses to admit that Kaiki is being nice.
Monogatari is a series of unreliable narrators.
>>121063686
You mean from the Koi OP? Then yeah that car was nice.
Araragi driving that would have helped me look past his terrible outfit.
>>121063760
Indeed. Then we're in agreement, good hustle, anon.
>>121063761
As cool as Oshino is, he is nowhere even close to Kaiki as an actual character. For all of bake, all he is is a plot device to fix every problem with girls and teach araragi and shinobu about shit. He doesn't have a single development, yet alone a good one, in the entire series.
>>121064015
That's because he's supposed to be presented as is, because he's a straightforward person.
Unlike Kaiki who needed all the development because of the countless lies that surround him.
![[Commie] Hanamonogatari [E055B3E8][00-20-12].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8qGbWBM.jpg "[Commie] Hanamonogatari [E055B3E8][00-20-12].jpg")
>>121064015
Kaiki is a goddamn Mary Sue, thats what he is.
>>121064015
I have to agree. Kaiki's whole business of rejecting personal attachments and trying to fill the void with something disposable and replaceable like money is way more interesting then laid back hobo.
>>121064126
and which of those makes the better character in a show that is 70% engaging dialogue
>>121064148
>implying this is always a bad thing
>>121064015
Meme is above petty words such as character and development.
>>121064148
A mary sue isn't enjoyable.
Kaiki is very fun.
>>121064195
Obviously Kaiki makes it more entertaining, but Oshino's not meant to be that.
>>121064148
>Calls out Kaiki
>Posts Shinobu, the ultimate Mary Sue in Monogatari to the point her perfection had people kill themselves over her. Entire invading armies to stop her menace would fold at her beauty and kill themselves.
While I agree to an extent Kaiki is a Mary Sue, I don't think posting Shinobu shows much self-awareness.
>>121064148
>>121064277
How is Kaiki a Mary Sue?
>>121064277
>Entire invading armies to stop her menace would fold at her beauty and kill themselves.
That's fucking cool, where was this mentioned? I don't remember it in Kizu or Shinobu Time.
>>121064419
It's in Utsukushihime
>>121064314
Personally, I'm only to an extent. It's a feeling more than anything else and I'm not bothered either way if I'm right or wrong since it's just a gut feeling from a not very smart person.
>>121064634
Stop posting, Kaiki.
>that whole MEAT MEAT MEAT scene
>people still claiming he is kill
doushite?
>>121064869
Though I don't agree with the presumption,
Keep in mind Monkey was already interacting
with a ghost throughout the rest of Hana.
>>121064939
well fug I guess it's my fault I got spoilered right now. it's the handicapped girl, isn't she?
>>121064990
Yeah. Also, there's no yuri;_;
I don't know about you, but I think that with something like this entire series, spoilers aren't that bad. Even knowing what is going to happen, the ride is still tremendous amounts of fun.
Started Nisemonogatari after two years since watching Bake, and holy shit the sudden camera pans make me sick, I had forgotten how pretentious and avant-garde this shit was
>>121065030
We got it, just in the vaguest, most unsatisfying way possible.
>>121064488
I appreciate it anon.
>>121065030
I managed to avoid getting spoiled on anything butsnail sayonaraso far, but yeah, I'm enjoying this.
I kinda wished I started watching it with /a/ though.
Does anyone have the hitagi before hitagi now "what happened to anime" from Koi OP?
>>121065090
I wanted a full h-scene.
>>121065094
It's translated on baka-tsuki.
>>121065119
Oh boy. I pretty much know how the rest of the series is going to pan out. Rather, I know what happens, but I'm excited to find out how it happens.
>>121065090
I want middle school monkey and crab shenanigans with a side of yuri.
Why can't I get it? Why?
>>121065188
I could go for a SOL too though.
Something like Yuyushiki, but more lewd, dialogue, andSHAFT
>>121065186
We all wanted the full on H-scene. The fact there was a Numachi and Kanbaru shower scene in Hana that nobody talks about disappoints me.
>>121065188
NisiO doesn't like making money and it'll be a depressing as fuck ending because you know how it ends.
Kanbaru gets denied by Senjougahara after all the internal monologue build up, Senjou staples Kanbaru in the face and Kanbaru ends up heartbroken.
Trying to watch this anime, already ep 3 on Bakemonogatari, will this show gets any better or will it remain talking and powerpoint slideshow?
>>121065304
Even if it I know the ending and it hurts I would like to see it.
Although Niso would have to write it and that's not going to happen.
>>121065119
>Does anyone have the hitagi before hitagi now "what happened to anime" from Koi OP?
nvm based archive had it
>>121065375
>>121051777
He wasn't lying about being attacked, but he lied about dying.
>>121065394
>already ep 3 on Bakemonogatari
it gets 30% better, the plateaus for a while, then gets worse.
>>121065397
Honestly. I'd read it because its Monogatari and I know it'll be good but I'm not sure my heart could take it.
For all the harem aspects about the show, the show is really just about no-one getting a happy ending and/or laid.
>>121065394
You either like it or you don't.
Some people get hooked by the end of Crab's arc.
Some people get hooked by the end of Snail's arc.
Some people just have shit taste and drop it.
>>121065186
>It's translated on baka-tsuki.
And so are more of the short stories, looks like I've got some reading to catch up on.
>>121065394
Bake 3-5 is basically the slowest, powerpointiest of the lot.
I'm pretty sure I was falling asleep on my first watchthrough. On rewatches it's great but on the first time it's the hump you have to get through.
>>121065536
Indeed. I highly recommendall of it
And if you haven't read what's translated of the time-warp arc (Kabuki?) I highly recommend that. The anime did Shinobu's cuteness no justice.
>>121065559
I fell asleep plenty of times, mainly because my anime watching time is usually at around 2am.
I slept through Hanamonogatari every time I tried to watch it.
>>121065608
Let me guess, you fall asleep around the time Numachi goes into her life story?Cause that's what happened to me the second time I watched Hana. The first time I was hype so I didn't really feel the drag. The second time was murder. Every other time I've been alright though.
>>121065586
I'll do that then, Kizu and what's been translated of Koyomi were fun, I could use more reading material.
>>121066394
The beginning of Tsuki is a ride.I hate alarm clocks
>>121065952
I don't remember.
It was definitely during or after Kaiki's meat speech.
Also my player loops video files and for some reason I always woke up either when Arararararargi showed up or during that basketball game.
>>121066453
So yeah, basically you sleep through the speech. Let's just assume you watch the Kaiki scene, sleep through the Numachi speech and wake up at the Araragi scene.
You've effectively just made Hanamonogatari the best monogatari.
>>121066436
Oh yeah, the wholeconversation in their underwear.Great stuff.
>>121066563
Nevermind what the fuck am i thinking
>>121064277
>>121064488
Nice fanfiction, Kaikifag.
>>121051232
>The man is faster than kanbaru.
Not canon. Kaiki could never run faster than Kanbaru,
Shaft animated an empty mall scene but what happened in canon was that Kanbaru could not really run away from Kaiki because of the crowd that was at the mall and Kaiki could only catch up to Kanbaru because he can slip and dart around the crowd better than Kanbaru.
>>121067026
No really, not even a kaikifag but how is he a Mary Sue?
>>121067169
I don't think they know what Mary Sue means.
>>121067155
>SHAFT
>animating background characters
Sasuga
>>121050934
>>121051321
You're fucktards if you think Yozuru would need to kill Snake when her source of power is the shrine and a simple Unlimited Rulebook can easily force Snake away from the shrine, depowering her in the process since Rulebook is good enough to escape from Kurayami.
>>121067169
>>121067187
You're pathetic Kaikifags pretending to have read the novels when there was no such thing as Shinobu causing invading armies to kill themselves.
Once again, Kaikifags prove themselves to be pathetic lairs who bekl
Reminder that the story is told from the perspectives of the characters in the show
>>121067247
>never having read Shinobu's heroine bookhttp://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Princess_Beauty
Also, I'm not a kaikifag. I am a batfag though.bekl?
>>121067247
Yeah I don't know about that but Shinbou is what you could describe as a Mary Sue, or was in the past. I don't really care about that though, I want to know how Kaiki is a Mary Sue.
>>121051232
>as if he's not hiding mystic fighting powers
Kaiki doesn't have mystic fighting powers, he's just so good at pretending he does that it's better than actually having them.
>>121067155
This simply isn't true. Kaiki was described as running past her, faster than her. Definitely not because of crowds or anything like that.
