Why are there so many fucking autists who cant understand that Evangelion is a character study, and the plot comes secondary.
>>120883525
The autism is thinking eva isn't a plot heavy anime that cannot simply end with the omedetou bullshit because is not satisfying at all and doesn't conclude shit. EoE on the other hand is perfect.
Cause it takes less effort to analyze aliens, then humans.
Anime tends to attract a lot of STEMfags who are notorious plebs that can't wrap their head around aesthetics or anything abstract. Hence their fetishization of plot.
>>120883525
Maybe because it doesn't reflect that in its airtime proportion from episodes 1-17.
Yes, it does include a lot inside dialogs and the like, but the change of focus is not smooth at all.
>>120884285
Enjoy being a NEET or working for starbuck in case you're a Liberal arts major
>>120883525
Why can't both be considered equally important? Fuck.
I haven't watched Evangelion yet because I'm not a fan of mechas. Is it really more about the characters than the giant robots?[\spoiler]
>>120885771
why would you write off an entire genre like that
are you dumb
>>120883525
>muh superbowl shark maymay
fuck off
>>120885771
It's not about giant robots. Does this look like a giant robot show to you?
fuck off with your forced meme
tumblr shark
>>120885856
>Why would you write off an entire genre like that
>No one bats an eye when /a/ unironically uses terms like "haremshit," "fujoshit," etc
>>120883525
A character study? Plot comes secondary? Is this supposed to be an actual thing that hack writers can use to get away with shit?
I'd believe it, it'd make it more believable as to why some of what I had to read in high school as to why it was considered not shit.
>>120885856
It's not like I want to. I just can't seem to get invested in most of the mecha anime that I've watched. I did watch the first one or two episodes of Eva, but it didn't catch my attention.
I guess the same thing happened with Cowboy Bebop to me, but I gave it another shot and liked it well enough. Yeah. I'll give Eva another shot too. Thanks anon.
>>120886143
It's almost like we're supposed to be watching a work of fiction with an actual story instead of a documentary on some 14 year old's depression
Certain characters are interesting (Gondem, Cajee, Retusko) but I much preferred the visual literacy, christian symbols (I don't give a fuck if Anno didn't intend it), and trying to follow the subtextual world building (which sometimes focused on character relationships). I cared a lot less about Shinji than I did about figuring out what the EVA units were and their purpose. Maybe if I had watched it when I was younger I would have been more invested in his character.
>>120886617
I care about the feelings it gives me more than the plot. I just immerse myself in the atmosphere it creates.
>>120886103
Fujo isn't a genre and Haremshit is used to describe seasonal trash. Lurk more.
>>120887042
Fujoshit may refer to a demographic, but you generally know what you're getting into if it's a show made for that demographic
>>120887152
Fujo can be anywhere. So can harem, but I won't argue that harem is a genre at this point. There are many different fujo shows though.
>>120885771
Watch it. I usually hate mecha, but Evangelion is one of my favorite shows.
>>120886969
Yes, I think that's a good way to watch it also.
Thank you Sharkman
>>120885459
Hey that's not fair, what if I want to be a NEET and have a worthless Lit degree? We're not Liberal Arts but damnit, we deserve recognition too.That moment when you're a Lit major and actually writing about Eva for a 20ish page research paper.
>>120883525
>i am fresh out of cringeworthy psychology studies about pathetic fucks and have to fall back on seeking 2deep meaning and justification for my faggotry in chinese cartoons.
>>120885459
>implying I can't teach this same nonsense to college students for the rest of my life
>implying I can't get tenure while doing it
>>120883525
>the average /a/non
>>120885459
You are both wrong and mad, really swinging for the fences.
>muh meanings
What I actually like alot about Evangelion is how they thought about alot of things and the explanations actually were all well thought out.
Things like the eva's needing a power supply, the aftermath of the second impact and the power of all the different angels.
>>120892272
>we order them in bulk
Every time.
>>120892690
Yeah, I remember the first time I watched Eva, the first thing I really took note of was Unit-01 needing a power cable like it was a giant weed trimmer. It seemed so silly, and yet it made perfect sense and was a smart way to limit the Evas
>>120884285
>be STEM major
>agree with OP completely
nice to see libarts majors being constantly butthurt about their bad decisions.
>>120884285
>eva
>deep in any way whatsoever
>implying Anno didn't say he made up the "symbolism" just because he felt like putting it in
Typical non-STEM major, trying to make something out of nothing. Just like your degree.
>>120893613
You understand that when people say eva is too deep for you, the for you part means something, right?
Also you dont understand what "being deep" is.
it means that the values are not superficial, and in that way eva is clearly deep, considering you cannot follow its themes.
>>120883525
Who would have guessed people are dumb? News @11.
>>120893404
>>120893613
As a non-STEM lit major, I agree, I will likely be less useful than a bench. I mean at least a bench can support a family of four.
>>120893705
Anno literally said he put that stuff in there for no reason. I'm going to see if I can find the link.
>>120885771
It's about elevators. The amount of time the anime takes to get any point across is ludicrous. A written work taken to eva's extremes would be scoffed at as a masturbatory exercise.
But as anime it's heralded as one of the best.
>>120893404
>Any major besides STEM is worthless
>>120893733
He is talking about why evangelion has so much christian imagery, glad to know im discussing with someone who has no fucking idea what he is talking about
>>120893758
That's because Eva is one of the few anime that actually does get a point across instead of being a children's toy commercial or a masturbation aid
Sad, isn't it?
>>120893733
>>120893705
>>120893804
>"There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice." ― Kazuya Tsurumaki
Pretty sure I read more too of this for other parts
tl;dr - it looked cool so we put it in.
>>120893733
Are you referencing the video when he was answering questions from KIDS?I wouldnt take those answers really seriously.
I would still watch Eva even if it had no robots.
>>120893861
You know, there's more to Eva than one specific visual quirk.
>>120893758
>A written work taken to eva's extremes would be scoffed at as a masturbatory exercise
You clearly aren't familiar with modernism.
>>120893861
Eva is not about the visuals, you fucking nerd.
please watch Eva once in your life, with a clear mind.
dont go in expecting to hate it, just watch it.
and dont try to talk shit about anime you never saw, you look like a british person
>>120893861
Oh here is another good one.
> "Evangelion is like a puzzle, you know. Any person can see it and give his/her own answer. In other words, we're offering viewers to think by themselves, so that each person can imagine his/her own world. We will never offer the answers, even in the theatrical version. As for any Evangelion viewers, they may expect us to provide the 'all-about Eva' manuals, but there is no such thing. Don't expect to get answers by someone. Don't expect to be catered to all the time. We all have to find our own answers." -- Hideaki Anno
There are no answers to any of this and its all just a big "Believe what you want to" thing. Meaning my interpretation of there is no symbolism would also be correct.
imo this is a big copout where really there was nothing there and they put a veil over the nothing to make it look like there is something.
>>120885771
Its kinda hard to describe, its pretty much about both. The core theme of the show is really about depression.
>>120894011
Are you retarded? Do you actually think it isn't about Shinji trying to be less of a shit to other people?
>>120893986
You wanna give an example, buddy?
>>120894100
Thats not symbolism at all. Theres no deepness to that. Its literally the same shit as everything else.
>>120894128
Finnegans Wake
>>120894161
Are you actually 13 years old?
>>120894161
No one is saying the symbolism is deep. The 'symbolism' isn't fucking there. It's the character development that people care about.
>>120894200
>Finnegans Wake
>anything like the elevator scene
>>120894290
There is some symbolism. The Christian symbolism is pretty thin, but there are lot of symbols about motherhood, stuff around the theme of "what are my hands for," plenty of callback scenes, phallic imagery, etc.
>>120894205
> Y-you don't understand. You disagree with me so you are wrong. I won't say why, or give a counterargument of any sort. B-but you are wrong
>>120894290
I don't think the character development is all that good. But anytime you hear anything about eva its usually newfags saying how deep it is or some shit and thats not true at all. Its a coming of age story for shinji and is the same as about every other anime in that sense.
Do I really have to cope with the terrible quality old broadcasts? Maybe I should just watch the newer rebuilds, as they're in HD.
>>120894374
No, the Rebuilds are different and worse by almost everyone's standards.
niggas get in here
http://animatorexpo.com/evangelionanotherimpact/
>>120894360
It's supposed to be a more realistic and nuanced look at a coming of age story.
>>120894360
>I don't think the character development is all that good
What dont you find all that good about it?
did you even watch the series?
Please point out some of the flaws so i can understand your argument
People with no education or real interest in art should not bother to talk about it.
>>120894348
I'm not saying there's an analogous scene. I'm saying that suggesting that literature would not abide 'the amount of time it takes to get any point across' is just ridiculous. "Longwinded, masturbatory, and taken to extremes" is the rallying cry of everyone who dislikes the last century of writing.
>>120894542
They should. It'll keep them out of discussions about better anime with actual symbolism.
Me personally, I went in liking Evangelion. Then I saw the point where they ran out of money/effort/ideas. Like Lost, The Prisoner, and other pseudo-philosophical media they didn't have a fucking clue how to finish it. Given the creator of the show once said in an interview the Christian imagery is in there because it looks cool, I will always see it as the pinnacle of overrated anime laden with fap-worthy characters.
TL:DR - Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining
>>120894591
like?
>>120894360
>coming of age story
If Eva's a coming-of-age story, then so is every story about a teenager that involves character development.
>>120894656
>Christian imagery is in there because it looks cool
This will never be enough to discredit all of NGE. That is literally ONE PART. There is other symbolism. Character interaction. Larger themes. Almost no one who praises NGE talks about the Christian themes.
>>120894656
1/10
I can bait harder than that in my sleep (especially to Asuka).
>>120894739
misato's coming of age story
>>120894484
I get what it was trying to be and it just didn't work for me like that. Shinji never progressed and just regressed as a character. You can say how thats "so realistic" or whatever you want but either way its still just a writer arbitrarily deciding what happens so to me its no more realistic or anything else that other stories. Then when it comes down to just pure enjoyment I don't like shinji at all cause hes a fuck. Rei is lifeless and contributes nothing but being a shitty plot device and asuka is tsundere with issues. The characters never change into something else. So thats why I don't think its that good. Its alright. But completely overrated.
>>120894767
>>120894759
I'm not baiting. I saw Evangelion as a brilliant starter, a lovely meal, and crumbs for dessert. If you enjoy it, cool, but I don't think this anime is anything more than the Emperor's New Clothes, and you're all gasping at a naked man's ass, thinking it's fashion
>>120894888
M8, go back to YouTube.
>>120894888
its legit too deep for you
>>120894838
Did you watch the end? It's all downhill until Ep. 25/26 and EoE, then the characters start to progress again.
Also, regression is still development.
I will never understand why Eva gets daily shitpost threads but Lain doesn't. What is it about this show that attracts terrible posters so?
>>120894990
I'm not saying there isn't any development, just that I don't think the development is all that great. Yes I watched EoE and that certainly did a better job but it still didn't interest me all that much. Like I said I'm not saying there is no development. If you like it for its development then thats fine its just not my personal tastes. I just don't see how one can call this an amazing anime for all the reasons I've listed above. Its good at best imo.
>>120895064
Eva is much more known than lain, as simple as that.
After some time browsing 4chan you learn that people tend to hate things just because they see too many people praising it, im not saying "you just hate it because its popular"
its the human nature or whatever, i need to go to sleep and by morning i'll have forgotten about this thread and probably so there is no point in explaining everything, im going to kill myself.
see you
>>120894954
>>120894967
Now who's baiting? You've got a good mecha show that becomes a mediocre mecha show / love hina that eventually becomes a dire rorschach birthed from creator laziness, and poor deadlines and budgeting. Any symbolism or meaning is you trying to fill the gaps, nay chasms.
>>120895178
But Lain is extremely well-known.
>>120895196
>nay
kek
You're trying far too hard.
>>120895219
I'll give it a try once I'm done with Bible Black
>>120895219
>>120895219
>Eva is much more known than lain
thats all the explanation you guys need
>>120895219
Sure, people have heard of it but no where near as many people have watched it relative to eva.
>>120895064
Billion dollar franchise that changed animu
>>120895196
No dude, eva is legit too deep for you.
you dont like the best part of eva
>>120895350
LOL thank fuck I slept through the worst part then
So I guess its official that eva isn't that good as seeing how everything went in here?
>>120895796
Yes, evangelion is the worst show ever made, never mention it again.
>>120895796
/a/ hates eva
>>120895857
/a/ is anno
>>120895196
Don't worry anon, evafags are like all over the place right now (and always have been) and it won't stop, it just got so popular that kids under 16 like it. Remember, Asuka and Rei fags are retarded and virgins.
>>120895924
Look, I may be a virgin, but I'm not a retard.
>>120895905
sasuga The Master
>>120883525
>2015
>still talking about eva
