How do you feel about the anime industry currently, /a/?
As long as stuff like Parasyte, Bahamut, and HxH keep airing once or twice a season I'm satisfied and don't care about the other 90% going to pandering waifufags (be it harem, romance, SoL, pedos, or whatever else).
>>120416458
I don't think it has anything with the industry be more with my tastes.
I grew up and I can't watch high shool anime without getting bored at the second episode.
Of course I still watch 2 shows per season but I can't have as much fun as when I was around 20.
I still read manga but that's about it.
This is how I feel about it.Their agenda is to make shut ins more shut in and fap instead of finding a 3DP women, who are extinct in Nippon
>>120417343
This man shares my views.
That's not a GIF op.
>>120417343
When will anime start pandering tocucks?
>>120417638
>not self inserting as the childhood friend
>>120416458
I feel like its a mistake. Its nothing but trash.
>>120417343
Awful taste.
>>120417343
For the longest time it wasn't like that for me--I couldn't find even one show a season to be interested in. It seems to be changing a bit recently.
I don't want the Idol Sengoku to end.
I also want more mecha musume after Kancolle.
>>120417343
Are you 15?
>>120417815
Show us your cute girls, anon-san.
>>120417932
Parasyte and Bahamut are both garbage. It has little to do with cute girls but the fact that you have an 'us and them' mentality just highlights your juvenile thought process.
I'm fine.
>>120418007
You think they're garbage because there aren't enough cute girls in them, right anon-san? That's what you mean to say right?
>>120416458
Implying the average /a/ user actually has any real insight in the anime industry. Pointless thread, people only say >anything I don't like is bringing down the industry.
>>120418007
In a society with limited resources, everything is us vs them, anon. Have you ever followed politics? If someone besides you gets something, that could've gone to you instead, and thus they are an enemy.
I just want less terrible light novels. I like cute girls and stuff. but god damn most light novels are just way to fucking bad. Juuou Mujin no Fafnir and Saenai Heroine no Sodate-kata are some examples, they just look so god damn generic and plain BAD. why can't they adapt stuff like problem children from another world instead of this. also more original anime would be nice
Would be cool if the industry had more chance to make what they actually want to make instead of something that have to pander the audience.
I still can enjoy the average seasonal anime, so I don't really mind.
>>120418246
Why would you want less? Even with 5 LN adaptations, there's still a shit-ton of other stuff coming out. Just don't watch it.
Also Saenai is far from generic or bad. Did you watch only episode 00?
>>120416458
It's shit.
>>120418284
>instead of something that have to pander the audience
So you are not "the audience"?
>>120416458
It panders too much to fujoshi. Well they do want to make money, so who could blame them.
>>120418232
No, you have completely missed the point. The poster I was responding to is assuming that either you like to watch shows with "cute girls" and must therefore hate shows like parasyte or that you like to watch shows like parasyte and must therefore hate shows with cute girls. This is a false dichotomy you could like both or neither or you might not even primarily judge the value of something based on those two properties.
>>120418362
>90% airing RIGHT NOW is aimed 100% to straight men
>panders too much to fujoshi
>>120418284
Are you retarded? Everything you make that has anything to do with entertainment is for the audience. Also, how do you know that they don't enjoy the things they create themselves?
I'm very picky when it comes to watching anything, yet I still find at least 3 shows to watch every season and usually like them. So it's fine by me.
>>120418378
I am one of those people who watches shows like parasyte and not cute girl shows. Thus every cute girl show that airs could've been a show like parasyte instead. Cute girls are harming me. They must be destroyed.
>>120416458
I want to deport Karen!
>>120418284
They have the chance to make what they want to make. It just might not get the sales they want.
And that's how a free market works.
>>120418378
What if I watch shows about ugly girls? How do I fit into the equation?
More ovas and movies. really I feel like anime movies are dying. and OVAs that aren't complement to the TV series are pretty much over.
>>120418517
The execs will not let them make "what they want to make" due to it being guaranteed to not get sales.
>>120418472
>Cute girls are harming me. They must be destroyed.
>>120418558
Now you made me feel guilty. Alright, cute girl shows should still exist but they must be limited and not more than one fourth the shows in a season.
>>120418356
Not really. Just because I can enjoy, doesn't mean that it's something I really want.
It's the same when you don't have enough money to buy something good and have to get the average one. They can't make money without pandering. I'm not against pandering because of this reason.
>>120418554
How do you know what they want to make?
>>120418472
That is great but has nothing to do with the point I was making. I was calling the mindset displayed juvenile, assuming you must be one or the other when you could easily be both or none, not challenging the (false) idea that one show being made prevents another that you like more being made. There is no quota for anime stating that 45 shows must be made this season so it is not clear your logic applies even slightly. If the groups funding cute girl anime suddenly stopped paying studios to have them made there could just as easily be less anime rather than more of another sort.
>>120418544
People now will not really go out and buy an OAV if they don't know it'll be good. In fact I have no idea how they got people to buy OAVs back in the 80s and 90s. I guess people had more money then and at least some of the OAVs were based on mangas or the like so they had some audience. But now it's like "Well why not just make it a TV series instead of an OAV?"
Were there less slots on TV for anime back then and thats why there were so many OAVs...?
>>120418517
I know, see >>120418599
Should've worded better.
>>120418584
Cute girl shows this season:
Dog Days
Koufuku Grafitti
Shows where it just so happens that the girls are cute:
Kancolle
Rolling Girls
Everything else with girls is more about the sexual part rather than the "cute"
>>120418637
I'm sure at least some of those cute girl shows are crowding out other kinds of shows. I know it isn't 1:1 though.
>>120418599
Now I'm just getting confused. Are you upset that they are not making shows you want to watch? Or they are not making shows that "they" want to make, whoever "they" is?
>>120418685
I don't differentiate. If the main draw is DEM GIRLS then it's a cute girl show to me. Basically the girls must be incidental to the show, not the main reason people watch it
>>120416458
I still like my chinese cartoons so I must be okay with the industry.
>>120418766
I think he wants "auteur" shows. Basically, a creator has a vision and executes that vision according to his will. That seems to be what he wants.
>>120418768
Cute Girls Doing Cute Things and Hot Girls Harem are 2 complete different beasts with 2 different audiences.
Also, the fact that the cast is 100% girls, does not mean it's a Cute Girls show. I learned that one week after I started watching anime.
Industry's fine and doing even better than ever.
>>120418795
That's completely possible in today's industry, it just isn't prudent. And that's a problem with capitalism as a whole, not just the anime industry.
Who are you speaking towards when you say creator? The director?
>>120418702
No it is not down to crowding out anon but a pure unwillingness to take the risk on the part of investors. It is the fact that cute girls sell and thus get funded. Making a show like Bahamut or Parasyte is seen as a more risky prospect and thus investors are less willing to come forward to have them made. Especially when shows like these usually require a greater budget to animate whatever action shit they have going on to be a success. In a cute girl anime all you need to do is make sure the art is decent, the animation can be minimal and still be a success. You can rely on 3000 nerds buying your show if their waifu is in it regardless of how shit it is but you can't rely on 3000 nerds buying your show if it is extremely poorly made action manime.
>>120418795
Yuasa does that once in a while, though he probably loses money every time
>>120418839
I group them the same because I like neither and both have the same draw: pandering. Here is what I would ID as the "girl focused" shows of W2014-15
http://desudesu.co.uk/
>>120418970
Wait what? What do you mean "girl focused"?
Do you mean, aimed at girls? Then the chart is wrong.
Do you mean, cast is mostly girls? Then what the fuck is up with Kamisama Hajimemashita?
You are either dumb or extremely confused and have the usual prejudice against things you don't know if you'll like.
For starters: What IS that you don't like about the shows with cute girls?
>>120419055
kek
>>120418866
The whole industry, mainly directors.
>>120419074
He was told not to like them on MAL and reddit.
>>120418970
Fuck off
>>120419055
can't stop halp
>>120419074
>Wait what? What do you mean "girl focused"?
>Do you mean, aimed at girls? Then the chart is wrong.
>Do you mean, cast is mostly girls? Then what the fuck is up with Kamisama Hajimemashita?
Neither.
A show where the primary reason people watch it is for the girls.
> usual prejudice against things you don't know if you'll like.
But I've tried some of them and thus know I don't like them =3
>For starters: What IS that you don't like about the shows with cute girls?
They have no interesting factors besides the cute girls. An anime that has other things going for it but happens to have cute girls in it is fine.
>>120419104
I was watching anime before MAL or leddit existed, anon.
>>120419183
>=3
fuck off
>>120419183
>I was watching anime before MAL or leddit existed, anon.
All that time and you still remain ignorant and tasteless, unsurprising.
>>120419199
Don't respond to it.
>>120416458
The increase use of CGI is the real problem
>>120419226
We must enlighten him to the beauty of cute girls, anon ^__________^
10/10 it's ok
>>120419183
>A show where the primary reason people watch it is for the girls.
Kamisama Hashimemashita is shoujo. It's a comedy/romance with one girl and like 5 other men. You don't watch it for the girl. Also, you missed World Break, though you probably missed it because the promo image shows a man in the middle therefore you didn't notice.
>They have no interesting factors besides the cute girls.
That's not true for the majority of what you pointed at.
>=3
You made me stay at work replying for half an hour for nothing. I hate you
I like it.
>>120419249
In some situations CGI is okay--if the scene would not otherwise be able to be done without the CGI because it would be too destructive to the budget then using CGI is okay. The whole show being CGI? No that is not okay.
>>120419249
Budgets become tighter every year. Would you rather have the entire show with QUALITY animation?
>>120419323
>The whole show being CGI? No that is not okay.
Yes. It is ok.
>>120419370
>Budgets become tighter every year
Source?
>>120419370
>Yes. It is ok.
If a show is full CGI I don't even consider watching it.
I like the state the industry is currently in in terms of what is airing. There is a lot of "otaku pandering" but I am enjoying that a lot despite not being what is my understanding of an otaku.
I am more worried about the finances. I am not an expert to what is happening but as far as I hear anime is now carried by a few people spending A LOT of money on fan articles which is not a very solid system.
>>120419298
>Kamisama Hashimemashita is shoujo. It's a comedy/romance with one girl and like 5 other men. You don't watch it for the girl. Also, you missed World Break, though you probably missed it because the promo image shows a man in the middle therefore you didn't notice.
Obviously the reason it is crossed off is because if a man watches it, he's going to watch it for that girl and no other reason.
>Also, you missed World Break, though you probably missed it because the promo image shows a man in the middle therefore you didn't notice.
World Break, from the summary, actually looks like it has some semblance of a plot, but it may be a cute girl show in disguise. I haven't watched it so I can't be sure.
>That's not true for the majority of what you pointed at.
It is for me, anon. I read the summaries and they look like they offer nothing.
>>120419370
CGI looks like shit I'm not watching a whole show that is CGI
>>120419370
>Budgets become tighter every year.
Why? Eventually if that continues then not even all CGI will save them. It will go down to stick figure drawings being animated rather than anything of quality.
>>120419399
>I haven't watched it
>I read the summaries
Just kill yourself.
>>120418659
>how they got people to buy OAVs back in the 80s and 90s
They don't, it just the bubble era allowed people to take loans to greenlight everything
>>120416458
Afraid.
The TPP and Olympic could kill anime and manga.
Fucking white man ruining everything as always. I hope China would attack Japan and Abe resurrecting japs nationalism.
>>120419390
I see. That's interesting anon. Please tell me more.
>>120419385
The ever decreasing numbers in both sales and demography. Not to mention economy.
>>120419440
Do you expect me to watch every single show before I judge whether I want to watch it or not? No one does that. You all use these types of images of anicharts to decide whether to watch a show unless you already know about the manga/light novel
>>120419448
No where is your source on the decline in anime budgets?
https://livechart.me/spring
>Gintama
>Kinmoza
>Nanoha
>Yuki-chan
>Ninja Slayer
>KyoAni jazz
>Nisekoi
>Oregairu
>motherfucking Gintama
My body is not ready
>>120419465
I think he's implying that if Sales are declining and the demographics are getting smaller and the economy is getting worse there's simply no way the budgets are staying the same or growing
>>120419399
I don't even know where to start.
>Obviously the reason it is crossed off is because if a man watches it, he's going to watch it for that girl and no other reason.
I'm watching it. I watch it for the comedy and the slight romance.
>World Break, for the summary, actually looks like it has some semblance of a plot
That's the same for Absolute Duo, Fafnir, Testament and whatever other magic fantasy harem LN adaptation out there. EXACTLY THE SAME SHIT. You watch it for the fanservice.
>It is for me, anon.
That's ignoring the facts. I would say you are trolling, but I actually know poeple like this. Just stop being an ignorant.
>>120419249
>use CGI
>lower cost
>studios can make more anime
>more anime get released
>studios can take more risks because lower budget means not as much to lose
How is that bad?
>>120419615
It's bad because it looks shit and people won't buy that.
I really miss the mindblow effect.
Anime today can be well made but they do not challenge my way of thinking anymore.
I can still enjoy moe or great animation or a decent plot but it's just a pastime.
I guess it's like smoking, I light a cig out of habit, not because i want one.(mango is a tiny bit better)
>>120419615
You forgot
>anime looks like shit because it's CGI
>>120419415
You missed on a couple of good shows last year then.
>>120419464
Do you expect me to watch every single show before I judge whether I want to watch it or not? No one does that.
No, you don't watch all 40 seasonal shows to see if you like them. You go to Anichart and pick the ones that you have ABSOLUTELY -10000 chances to remotely enjoy, and then watch the other 35. You drop then as you see fit. I've discovered some good shit that way.
>>120419572
I know what he is implying it is just firstly that he can't even prove his premises true and secondly that the conclusion doesn't necessarily follow at all and of course it goes without saying he can't directly show his claim to be true either.
>>120419641
>People won't but that
You forget the 2 full 3DCG anime that came out last year that outsold everything else.
>>120417815
For you, maybe.
>>120419696
Say you are a tiny studio. You release your new shiny anime that you put so much effort into it. It's so good, it's wonderful.
However, it aired the same season as another incredibly famous franchise.
Also, next season there will me an anime just like that. BDs are expensive and Otaku are poor. Guess how well your anime will sell.
>>120419464
>Do you expect me to watch every single show before I judge whether I want to watch it or not? No one does that.
Man I thought everyone did that.
>>120419797
This has no relevance what so ever.
Which of this season's shows have this actual season (Winter) as a theme? There can be quite the variety regardless of time period by peering into a world with that kind of similarity.
>>120419574
>I'm watching it. I watch it for the comedy and the slight romance.
Comedy and romance don't count as reasons I'd watch a show though anon, so obviously that means it has nothing for me other than the girl.
>That's the same for Absolute Duo, Fafnir, Testament and whatever other magic fantasy harem LN adaptation out there. EXACTLY THE SAME SHIT. You watch it for the fanservice.
There are certain key portions of the summaries that let you in on the fact that their "plots" are just an excuse for the cute girl action. For example, Absolute Duo: "he ends up living with a beautiful silver-haired girl." Or Testament with "didn't you always used to say you wanted a little sister."
World Break lacks such a line so it does not advertise itself well as a cute girl pandering action anime, so I was fooled by it.
>That's ignoring the facts.
Do you mean the apparent fact that the anime acts like it offers more in the way of a plot for example? But again, read the above, there are techniques for discerning that it isn't really about the plot but about the pandering and showing off the girl(s) and that they plot is there as an excuse for the girl(s). It isn't 100% accurate of course as no method is going to be with just a summary and a pic.
>>120416458
it needs more loli
>>120419685
>No, you don't watch all 40 seasonal shows to see if you like them. You go to Anichart and pick the ones that you have ABSOLUTELY -10000 chances to remotely enjoy, and then watch the other 35. You drop then as you see fit. I've discovered some good shit that way.
That is what I do too anon, although usually it comes down to maybe 2-3 shows a season instead of 35
>>120419869
>Comedy and romance don't count as reasons I'd watch a show though anon, so obviously that means it has nothing for me other than the girl.
I just can't discuss anymore. I'm out of words. They don't pay me extra for this.
>>120419869
Well, for you.
>>120419904
Then that's a problem of taste. Not in the "shit" or "good" way, but in the variety. You probably just enjoy a couple of genres. In that case, good for you. Still, doing what you do is the best way to see what you may like and don't like.
>>120419869
You know those summaries are written by people on MAL and ANN right? Japanese anime producers are not busy writing enticing western taglines and building anime charts, just nerds like us.
>>120419869
>Comedy and romance don't count as reasons I'd watch a show though anon
Next season is going to be the best we had since a long time.
>>120419943
>>120420076
Obviously for other people that might be different.
>>120419281
Its IA you fuckwit
>>120420099
No. For other people it isn't different. Comedy and romance as a draw for entertainment is objective fact. It cannot be argued. It is not opinion.
>>120420055
As long as the line is true to what is in the anime you won't factor out something you'd want to watch by it being there. It's just if the line is absent you might end up having to try something that turns out to be a pandering anime. Then you just drop it
>>120416458
All I know is that there's some good shit airing and I'm enjoying it.
>>120420158
I am saying that anyone judging anime based on a tagline written by some nerd who hasn't seen the show and a single image is a fucking retard.
>>120420099
I can understand the discarding romance. But discarding something as wide as comedy is taking it too far. You shouldn't be talking about the industry if you like so little.
>>120420145
Then why aren't they draws for me? Doesn't that mean it isn't universal? How can it be an objective fact if it isn't true for everyone?
>>120420188
After all, Yuki Yuna was just a school slice of life.
>>120420196
>Then why aren't they draws for me?
You have autism.
It's alright. There are some neat shows here and there. I don't think I'm watching anything currently airing though, but I've been lazy.
>>120416458
It's too focused on tits, lolis and romcoms. I'll watch a series despite of ecchi, moe and so forth, but not for them, but it seems that most of the shit are meant to be watched for them.
>>120420238
Most people on /a/ probably do.
>>120420196
When you say something like
>Comedy and romance don't count as reasons I'd watch a show though anon, so obviously that means it has nothing for me other than the girl.
You aren't saying
>This show isn't for me
You are saying
>This show has no substance other than the girl
Which is objectively wrong, because comedy and romance can be draws for entertainment whether you see it as such or not.
>>120420189
Something only gets to be a wide classification because a lot of people like it though. What about the dissenters? What if in 2099 every anime except 4 per season are cute girl pandering animes and then the few people who don't like it get called out because "discarding something as wide as the cute girl pandering genre is taking it too far!"
>>120420299
Obviously we're talking about substance TO ME, anon, that's who is doing the evaluating of the anime and whether I'd want to watch them.
I despise it. Most of it is shit made for people who don't know how to real life that only serves to perpetuate stereotypes. Series not pandering to enough people? Add tits. That's the fucking solution, nowadays. Tits. I drop a series mid-episode if it has unnecessary sexual themes.
>>120420378
You really do have autism.
>>120420378
Do you have a single digit IQ?
>>120420353
But that's what would happen, anon. It's like going to a library while disliking books. The fact that you go because they may have coffee doesn't mean you have anything to say about the library.
>>120420353
Please refrain from using rhetorical question to support your argument as it's not proving anything.
>>120420426
Are you one of those people who has to hear someone say "in my opinion" after every line that is their opinion before they understand someone is expressing an opinion?
>>120420378
>substance TO ME
Substance =/= "stuff I enjoy".
>>120420448
Books are a medium, not a genre.
>>120420476
The rhetorical question is meant to make you say "oh it is unreasonable that someone must like comedy" or "oh it is unreasonable that someone must like cute girl pandering" or "oh it is unreasonable that someone must like action"
>>120418970
>I don't like pandering "dem girls" shows like Dyke Bear Hurricane, only REAL anime like Bahamut and Parasyte
You must be a real anime connoisseur.
>>120420535
Anime is a medium, not a genre.
>>120420552
Yes, which is why I don't dislike anime. I dislike certain kinds of anime.
>>120420495
Except you're making a point of expressing your opinion in an objective way.
You are not saying, "there isn't any substance in the show for me other than girls."
You are saying, "there isn't any substance in the show BECAUSE I am evaluating it and see none other than girls."
There is a clear difference. I'll chalk it up to a speculative Schrodinger's Cat of autism and "ebin trolling :^)".
>>120417921
Nah his taste is just better than yours
>>120420495
You are missing the point here. You are so accustomed to thinking that you only enjoy shows that have substance that you have become confused and switched that around in your mind to "all shows I don't like have no substance" which isn't the case. Substance is not something dependent on your personal opinion. I may hate Shakespeare and find it too dense and difficult to read but it certainly has substance. I may dislike the racism in The Birth of A Nation but it certainly has substance. Substance has no relation to your personal enjoyment. You may happen to enjoy something that has substance but whether or not something has substance is in no way dependent on your enjoyment.
>>120420353
That's completely irrelevant.
>tfw I have no problem with anime that comes out these days
>>120418151
Nah, Parasyte is shit (anime) whereas Parasyte (manga) is good.
Are you a anime-onlyfag?
>>120420586
You dislike MOST of anime. Therefore you don't like anime, you just so happen to like a couple.
It's fucking great. Fuck off back to wherever you came from.
>>120420726
Not him, but what are you trying to prove? He may like certain things about the medium or its potential while disliking where it's at now.
>>120420696
Could not make useless (brackets) where there should be (none) like a fucking (faggot)?
>>120420655
Anon. That is not what I'm doing. I firmly acknowledge that while Ansatsu Kyoushitsu does not appeal to me that it has substance for other people.
>>120420726
>Therefore you don't like anime, you just so happen to like a couple.
I don't like anime, but I like some anime. That makes no sense, anon.
>>120420624
>Except you're making a point of expressing your opinion in an objective way.
That is specifically what you're taught to do in any debate club or persuasive speaking class. It is meant to fool the plebs.
>You are saying, "there isn't any substance in the show BECAUSE I am evaluating it and see none other than girls."
But anon, it's understood that because I am evaluating it by MY standards that means it is lacking in substance FOR ME. Obviously using someone else's standards gets a totally different result which may not be my own.
I don't
>>120420800
>That is not what I'm doing
>it has substance for other people.
Holy fuck are you dim witted. Things having substance is in no way dependent on your opinion. Things do not have substance for some and not for others. They either have substance or they don't.
As long as they keep making shows like Amagi, i'm fine with it. How well did ABP sell by the way? I'm sitting here waiting for another season.>implying this will happen since they ended it already
>>120420914
Is it too hard for you to look at the sale threads from the archive and check for yourself?
>>120420800
I like chocolate covered coffee. That doesn't mean I like coffee
>>120420914
5-6k or something
>>120420906
Okay, anon, then tell me of 4 shows with no substance. Then you will piss off their fanbase and they will argue with you about it because they do believe those shows have substance.
Substance is opinion like everything else.
>>120420868
> any debate club or persuasive speaking class
Yes, and we don't want that bullshit here. You say that the only draw is the girls (which you don't like), and then people list other things, and you say that those don't count, so the only draw for you is the girls. That doesn't even make sense - if you don't like the girls, why are they 'substance' but the comedy or whatever isn't? Also, what are you looking for in your shoes?
>>120421015
>in your shows
Fixed for myself.
God damn it.
>>120420995
All 4 magic harem LN adapatations this season
>>120420976
The problem there, anon, is that with coffee there is such a thing as a "regular" coffee in our minds, while there is no such thing as a "regular" anime.
>>120421077
So you are saying Fafnir fans literally only watch it for the girls?
>>120420868
>That is specifically what you're taught to do in any debate club
This isn't debate club.
>it's understood that because I am evaluating it by MY standards that means it is lacking in substance FOR ME.
Then you should have said from the get-go that it only applied to you and was subjective.
Concerning substance, that isn't something that is subjective anyway. A show either has a plot or doesn't have a plot. The show has cute girls or doesn't have cute girls.
Your experience of the show may be subjective, but that doesn't matter, by collecting everyone experiences together we can get a rough estimate of the objective truth and take that as truth.
So analyzing substance from a subjective point of view is pointless as it is something objective.
If you say the red bird is not red, you are not opening up a debate for that. Rather, anyone in their right mind will call up the ad hominem ARGUMENT (which can be used to dismiss someone's argument in cases where they are quite clearly inebriated or mentally unsound) and dismiss your claim then and there.
>>120420906
Substance my ass, pseudo-intellectual fuck.
>>120420914
Shit taste.
>>120421235
Yes.
>>120421182
That's not true. And if it was, there's always all those little shows loved by a few and disliked by a few
>>120421277
Based UnderTheDogPR
>>120421015
Every straight man likes girls, anon. Thus the girls may be appealing but I don't enjoy a show that has no appeal BUT the girls because it just gets too boring when I have watched shows like that. My view on cute girls is, they're fine when you have pics of them posted on /a/, but they can't stand alone on a whole show and carry it all by themselves, thus pandering shows are out for me to be able to enjoy.
>Also, what are you looking for in your shows?
#1 Villains, extremely interesting and imposing ones.
#2 Themes not previously explored with some relation to: religion, the supernatural, or high technology.
#3 Tragedy and mindrape.
Last season had funny things like Amaburi, serious like Parasyte and a mix of two in Cross Ange.
If it keeps up like this it would be perfect
>>120421475
>all that you are looking for
Let me tell you this overused buzzword. Edgy.
>>120421253
>Concerning substance, that isn't something that is subjective anyway. A show either has a plot or doesn't have a plot.
Sometimes people will use substance to just colloquially mean their subjective view of it rather than the strict objective definition. I mean, almost every show has some kind of substance but we will write that off if it doesn't appeal to us.
>by collecting everyone experiences together we can get a rough estimate of the objective truth and take that as truth.
I don't think objective truth is the sum of subjective truth though anon. And even if it were we cannot "collect" everyone's experiences because we don't have the poll technology for that.
>If you say the red bird is not red, you are not opening up a debate for that.
I don't think substance is the same thing as a color. It's far more subjective. Although I'm not sure how that would work for color blind people. For them the bird might be orange so maybe color isn't so objective either.
>>120420995
This is really besides the point. Things can't have substance for you and not someone else unless. I may not enjoy comedy for example but comedy shows can have substance. I may not like romance but romance shows can have substance. Substance has nothing to do with you or your opinion. I may find a biography of Hitler dull as fuck but it certainly has substance. I may really enjoy seeing anime girls making excuses to show off their tits in novel ways but that doesn't mean the show has substance. You see what I am getting at here? It really isn't a difficult concept. Substance is something that exists in a work independent of whether you appreciate that substance.
Bahamut was not a risk, it came from a wildly successful mobile game.
>>120421326
Okay anon, what are examples of "regular" anime? Then I can see if I like one of them and then I can say I like anime.
>>120421651
>every show has some kind of substance but we will write that off if it doesn't appeal to us.
No you are just conflating enjoyment and substance.
>>120421662
Maybe you should define your impression of what substance is because I'm sure someone could come up with a couple examples of shows they consider to have substance that I don't think have any and vice versa.
My views is indifferent to the industry of anime. I am not necessarily concern where the industry venture from here on out because ten years from now I probably will not watch anime, not to type I'll out grow anime and move forward past this hobby yet it is more or less me becoming disinterested, anhedonic.
In my eyes, there is a polarizing stagnation of uncreativity.
What would interest me is:
- Originality: I would love to see studios take risks and create original anime rather it is SoL, romcoms, psychological, mecha, war anime of any kind.
There seem to have become an over saturation of light novel adaptations and no matter how the synopsis read or how unique the studio try to make the adaptation it is regurgiated lowbrow popcorn entertainment. It seem so fucking soulless watching some of these anime. I feel there are few adaptaions of light novels I can earnestly admit I like.
It seem a lot of these light novelist have the wrong idea and not writing because they sought a career in becoming a writer but decide "I'll write and have this become a anime adaptation!" It is tragic.
Moreover, I would like to see less of the same trite of anime where studios try to copy off the success of another anime thinking it would have the same impact of its predecessors.
>>120421475
>villains
>technology and religion
>tragedy and mindrape
It's pretty cool. I like cute girls and anime has them in spades. The past has always had cute girls, the present has cute girls, and the future? More cute girls.
>>120421729
No I am not. I already said here that I don't enjoy Ansatsu Kyoushitsu but I can understand how someone would say it has substance.
>>120421635
Yeah I really like edginess. My other car is a Sephiroth. I bet you can tell I like Evangelion too =3
>>120421826
Holy shit.
>>120421926
Fractale was the hero we didn't deserve.
>>120421926
Aku no Hana isn't artistic. It's ugly. Find some way to make something artistic AND beautiful.
>>120421826
> This is my first anime ever: the Blog.
>>120421770
Maybe you should accept that something having substance does not depend on your appreciation of it.
People who enjoy harem anime on the whole don't think they have substance, they enjoy them knowing they are vapid and pandering and don't care. They are watching for that pandering, that pandering isn't suddenly substance because it appeals to those people. It is still just vapid. Likewise I might not enjoy an anime with a intricate meaningful plot but I would still be able to recognize that it has substance. Any reasonable person being honest with themselves can tell the difference.
>>120421840
Tell me how is it that a show can have substance for one person and not for another if you don't think substance depends on your appreciation and enjoyment?
>>120421692
Chaika. Equally liked and disliked. Popularity was not exactly because of the quality of the show.
>>120421883
I like Eva, but not in the edgy way. You can stop pretending now.
>>120422065
Didn't watch Chaika yet, try to go older, like 2000-2007ish
>>120422089
Enough.
>>120421926
Whoever wrote that seem prententious.
Aku No Hana wasn't trying to serve as something artistic. Hiroshi thought Shuuzou artstyle felt realistic and he tried to capture what he sought through rotoscope.
>>120422050
>Likewise I might not enjoy an anime with a intricate meaningful plot but I would still be able to recognize that it has substance. Any reasonable person being honest with themselves can tell the difference.
For all the people who say "Code Geass has no substance" or "Attack on Titan has no substance" and yet all the people who think they do, I tend to think you're wrong anon.
>>120422110
>2000-2007ish
That's backlog-tier. I don't have "regular" anime in my backlog, or at least I haven't seen them yet.
However, I can give you Rozen Maiden.
>>120422065
Pretending what? I don't openly say "I like things that are edgy" but what I like does tend to coincide with /a/'s stereotype of edgy in some cases.
>>120422133
I once saw a blog post by that TripleR faggot from Animesuki where he directly compared Denpa Onna to Nichijou and from that concluded that Kyoani was losing the "moe market" to Shaft.
>>120422050
Could please just tell me your definition of substance.
Is substance: reason to watch show?
Is substance: good qualities of a show?
Is substance: wholesome content of a show?
It seems odd that you say pandering does not fall under substance. How so? It seems like a positive quality people watch anime for.
>>120422223
The fact that people disagree on if a show possess a property is not evidence of that property being subjective. People might disagree about the shape of the earth before it was objectively measurable but still only one shape was the truth. The nature of the property is not altered by the inability of some people to properly identify it.
It suffices.
>>120422277
Pretending to be retarded by adding a "=3"
>>120422275
Your "backlog" tier was my "all of animu" tier. Well and the occasional stuff from the 80s and 90s. But yeah I somewhat liked Rozen Maiden. Not too much but enough to watch it.
>>120422335
I don't really use =3 to mean that. I use it to be whimsical.
>>120422321
>The nature of the property is not altered by the inability of some people to properly identify it.
It is for something not detectable by scientific instruments. You can tell the shape of the earth using said instruments. You can't measure the "substance" of an anime with scientific instruments though.
>>120422373
That's pretending to be retarded.
I don't want to say this, but this thread is already insufferable enough. Lurk moar.
We need more explecit yuri.
>>120422432
Whimsy is not pretending to be retarded. Pretending to be retarded is saying something I don't believe just to get a rise out of people. I didn't do that ITT
>this entire thread
Fuck off.
>>120422302
Substance is not a positive or negative quality. It is something a show has or does not have. Just like being art is neither a positive or negative quality. A show that has substance is the opposite of one that is vapid. Take a Hollywood action flick for example. It might entertaining to a lot of people but is just mindless entertainment, it has no substance.
>>120422427
Try reading the full point. The ability to measure is irrelevant, unless that is you think prior to the instruments to measure the Earths shape the shape was somehow magically different for everyone.
>>120422522
If you can't measure it then you can't be sure it's objectively true.
>>120422565
That doesn't change if it is objectively true or not though.
>>120422467
Using emoticons on /a/ and baiting with Eva is trolling. Trolling is pretending to be retarded.
>>120422522
>Take a Hollywood action flick for example. It might entertaining to a lot of people but is just mindless entertainment, it has no substance.
Ok, so substance is thought-provoking content?
Stuff that makes the average viewer ponder deeper questions?
In which case there are a lot of variable elements that make evaluations of "substance" futile.
>>120422321
So do Code Geass and Attack on Titan have substance or not? I want to know which side of /a/ you're going to piss off today.
Also I really can't tell whether they do because I'm not sure my definition of substance is the same as everyone else's. Or rather even which definition to use: a strong one, where only truly DEEP and MEANINGFUL anime have it or a weaker one that allows in some other stuff like interesting characters.
>>120422638
>thought-provoking content
>stuff that makes the average viewer ponder deeper questions?
Not necessarily.
>>120422627
I don't believe it counts as trolling if I believe it. I really do like Evangelion.
There needs to be a middle ground between normalfag children's anime and late night obsessive otaku freak anime. It's never been this stratified before.
>>120422653
They have more substance than something like Asobi ni Iku yo!
>>120422653
I want to know which side of /a/ thinks Geass has substance. Last I checked, shouting quotes and JIBUN WO wasn't how you expressed that opinion.
>>120422687
And it's my favorite anime of all time, yet that emoticon and the way you phrased it made it look like trolling.
>>120422731
>I want to know which side of /a/ thinks Geass has substance.The me side
>>120422735
That's because I know it's a position that would be satired by many on /a/. Maybe subconsciously I do that so that people who agree with me will pass it over and get the message and people who don't like it will just assume I'm trolling and not go "HAHA YOU LIKE EVANGELION YOURE A STEREOTYPE EDGY KID"
>>120422731
JIBUN WOOO
>>120422731
CONDITIONS CLEARED
>>120422731
You don't think someone can spout some ebin memes about a show and still think it has substance? Even something like Eva has some ebic memes come out of it like TANG
>>120422638
>>120422666
To expand on that for example something like Seirei no Moribito or Escaflowne could be said to have substance yet neither of them are particularly deep or thought provoking. It is more like the difference between popcorn (TLR, KissXSiS, Seikon no Qwaser) and steak.
>>120422934
I find that the best anime is usually around midway between average and thought provoking. If you get too thought provoking the thing just begins to get too stiff and boring like Texhnolyze or GitS. But between average and that you hit the JIBUN WOO point where you can have some fun too with stuff like Eva, RahXephon or SoulTaker or Noein.
>>120422464
We need more implicit yuri
>>120422934
>>120423121
Ok, substance is stuff you like. Got it.
Speed Grapher is deep and meaningful. Not on a transcendental level but on a modern human level due to the demonic nature of money that has overtaken our society. Prove me wrong.
>>120422903
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that the memes aren't a sign that they think it has substance. People like/watch Geass (on /a/, at least) because they find it ridiculous and fun, whereas they watch/like Eva, congratulations and sasuga Anno aside, because they enjoy the themes and character development.
>>120423181
No, anon, I don't like GitS but it has substance. I just said too much substance hurts a show.
>>120423121
>Texhnolyze
>not great
>>120423227
I guess it partially depends on what you mean by themes. I enjoy some themes in Geass, like future dystopian world, insane fast over the top action, etc.
>>120423300
>insane fast action
>I don't know what a theme is.
>>120423280
It has a great final ED I'll give you that. But it moves too slowly and doesn't introduce its more interesting themes early enough. Too much at the beginning is just Ichise being a bum.
>>120423181
Substance had nothing to do with what I like that was my entire point. They are just shows to be enjoyed indifferent ways .
>>120423345
Yeah I don't. Why is dystopia a theme but insane fast over the top action not one? Are "mechs" a theme? Who the fuck knows.
>>120423422
Dystopia CAN be a theme, or at least stuff about dystopia. I wouldn't say that was really one of Geass', though I guess oppression/self-determination technically count, not that it said much of interest about them.
industry is better than ever money wise I guess, they can create high quality pandering anime with typical SoL, harems, mecha and RPGs, so otakus are happy.
but... what about originality? interesting shows? NOPE
>>120423372
The very beginning is atmospherics (like much of the show, which I guess is fair to dislike), and I thought it worked really well to establish the alien feel and stuff. I thought the weakest point was the early Kano arc.
>>120423469
See that's where things turn a bit sour for me. I don't necessarily need a show to "tell me" something about the themes. It's like looking at a painting. It doesn't always tell you something but it can still be beautiful for the convergence and arrangement of entities. Like this is beautiful. But does it tell me anything? Probably not.
>>120423574
Beauty and themes aren't the same thing.
>>120423673
I know, but themes can be USED in such a way to create a beautiful anime. Even if the anime doesn't tell you anything revelatory about the themes. Like a dystopian anime can be beautiful without saying something meaningful about dystopias. For me, themes are often a means to an end.
>>120423543
>originality?
No such thing as originality, from this point onwards everything is just the same thing forever repeated endlessly.
It's because the universe is in a dense spiritual state, anime needs more magic. Anime has to become REAL.
I am anime, hear me roar~nanodesu
>>120416458
Little witch academy 2 will save the industry.
And before I am killed, let me explain.
The future for animation lies in crowdfunding as it is the only means to create an anime without depending on blue-ray sales, softcore pornografy and marketable toys/sex-aids in order to generate investment capital.
>>120423712
Yeah, but then you're not watching for the themes, which is sort of what I was saying about Geass in the first place. You can totally admire a show on an aesthetic basis (which I guess is a category distinct from substance), but I wouldn't say that's why most people like Geass, either. The story isn't beautiful or emotional or feel like a really accomplished depiction of society or anything. It's just fun and insane.
>>120423835
So is this the same for all mediums given that movies, music and etc are all older than anime? How did gangsta rap come to exist in the 80s and early 90s if there was no originality left to be had in music?
There was originality left--and there is still originality left in anime.
Wait til Japan becomes 50% black in 2099, and then >>120423895 Furude Rika gon' busta cap in a niggaz azz
>>120423933
>>120423939
>The story isn't ... emotional
Um I wouldn't entirely agree with that. I don't necessarily recall being saddened at some of the deaths but I'm sure some people were especially if they really liked the characters. And tbh for some reason I don't remember a huge chunk of R2. I must have marathoned it.
>>120423982
>hey mane play dis beat while I talk really fast
>I'll rhyme and shit, its coo
And music was so much better off because of it.
>>120424024
Please tell me that's still going to be made. It looks interesting
>>120424150
>It looks interesting
Maybe if you're 13.
>>120424112
The discussion was about originality, not quality.
