Why can't Western anime fans accept anime for what it is?
It's always the same in reviews like this
>the anime is good because of X, Y and Z
>but uh, uh, uh, the devil of fanservice is there too
>>119950026
>not freaking out
>not calling it disgusting or pathetic
>not complaining about otaku or pandering
That write-up is refreshingly reasonable to an absurd degree. You should be singing its praises, not whining about it.
What's evil about incest?
I understand the pedophilia thing, but incest? Two adults able to give consent that happen to be brothers or cousins.
>>119950026
Page views
>>119950145
Just because it's not as bad as it could be doesn't mean it's good.
>>119950257
Remember, gay is okay, but incest is not.
>>119950026
Why should they? They have right to complain if they don't like something. It's not like all anime are about incest or fanservice.
>>119950026
So you are saying criticism for your shit-tier shows isn't allowed?
Why are you readng anime reviews on Kotaku?
They've obviously watched Nisemonogatari, if they mark down "Incest Fanservice Humour" as a negative then I'm getting the slight feeling it might not be the show for them.
I get the feeling they might be a bit grossed out by Incest, just a feeling. I wonder what they feel about the rampant loli fanservice.
>>119950289
It isn't bad, though. It addresses a perceived flaw, provides reasoning for that perception, and does so without passing judgment on the people who disagree.
There are probably thousands of anime reviews that actually support the OP's view, yet he chose one of the precious few that don't.
>>119950145
I think you need to leave.
In the west we teach classes on 'genderqueer', trannynomics and other deprave shit and they try to criticize a fictional bath scene between fictional 'siblings'
>>119950372
this could go either way
>>119950440
Not that anon but basically what you're saying is. "He's reached the basic standard of how a review should be written"
We should give someone a pat on the back every time they do what is to be expected of them?
>>119950479
Sorry for not irrationally hating everything that disagrees with my opinions, newfriend.
>>119950026
>Can't into words
The criticism is not badly written and is reasonable, even gives hints on how it would have been better if they changed a few things.
Just cause you love your incest it does not mean they should put all their efforts in incest scenes almost at the level of a porn when the message the author wants to give is different. It is almost hipocrisy.
Like Me!Me!Me! where you catch both types of idiots with a show, the 2deep4you loving ones and the PLOT loving ones.
>>119950490
Featuring non sexual bathing between siblings
>>119950372
Indeed, and similarly others too have the right to call them out on their stupidity. That's how freedom of speech works, something that many don't seem to get.
>>119950508
No, but how about not complaining?
>>119950522
>>119950514
>shittaku devs
>>>/v/
>>119950404
Like this.
>>119950514
You clearly don't belong here.
>>yfw the bloggers that write these kinds of articles make over $75,000 per year while you are 24 years old and sitting at your mom's house with $400 in your bank account
I always blame Americans and their mindest that the entire world must cater to their tastes.
>>119950529
If it were an article criticizing queer shit it'd be considered a hate crime
>>119950522
>Just cause you love your incest it does not mean they should put all their efforts in incest scenes almost at the level of a porn when the message the author wants to give is different.
The fuck you know what message author wants to give.
The Kotaku reviewer says that Monogatari points out the absurdity of incest fanservice, but comes off as hypocritical because of how much it indulges in it.
Personally I see that as the point of said fanservice. Nishio just winks at the audience, "we all know this is a stupid fantasy", but then goes with it happily. That's the opposite of hypocrisy, it's honesty.
>>119950026
Plebs, anon. Plebs everywhere.
>>119950567
no way some fucking dude writing anime reviews is making 150% of the average american yearly income from it
>>119950026
You know you're reading the site that says that Yaoi/Yuri Fanservice is good because of "muh lgbtbbq", right?
>>119950026
>Monogatari
He is probably right. What a worthless franchise.
That's legit criticism though, it's common for anime to criticize or parody something but in the end it ends up being exact same thing as those series it's making fun of. Oregairu comes in my mind.
Because most idiots are in fact idiots and don't understand that different cultures have different valuea and that what they might perceive as wrong and unjust is normal and acceptable in other places.
They're in fact blind towards people other than the ones within their own country and judge or criticize based on their own, little, experience of life.
In short: They're dumbfuck nerds.
>>119950547
So we're not allowed to disagree with the review on which grounds? Just because it's written to standard doesn't suddenly mean it's immune to criticism.
Cause accepting fanservice and sexuality is not hipster enough.
Usually the rare instances inwhich i look for reviews, when the writer or the tuber start talking about fanservice, grimdark, and shock factor, is when i stop read/watch and add another name to my black list and another title to my to watch/read list.
>>119950522
You're a fucktard. Nisio Isin has been an incest fag since the beginning of his career.
He doesn't criticize incest at all.
>>119950647
>watches shitgatari
>calls other plebs
lol
>shitogatari
>>119950508
Given how fucking atrocious the West's track record is with this sort of thing, the "basic standard" isn't expected at all.
Why would you not encourage people who choose to apply tact and effort in a vocation that thrives on being as lazy and sensationalist as possible?
>>119950026
>still believing in the west
>still believing anime blogs have any worth
>still believing it's not all clickbait
Because they want to sound intelligent for hating on everything that doesn't conform to your average society, i.e. they're shit.
Just enjoy your chinese cartoon and ignore reviews in the first place.
>>119950690
>lol
>>119950026
They cant accept it as their minds have been shaped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g
This is now their mindset. They think their opinion is the only rightfull one.
>>119950666
Or maybe it's because criticism doesn't mean the creator is negative of it. It could be because the creator actually does like it and hence willing to explore it further, which includes examining the flaws.
>Oregairu comes in my mind
I can agree with you on that example though.
>Why can't Western anime fans accept anime for what it is?
>Western anime fans
>Western
Well there's your fucking answer.
>>119950440
The whole reasoning is "fanservice is bad because fanservice is bad"
>>119950671
Except this is not a part of Japanese culture. It's common only in otaku culture, which is the equivalent of shitty 70s exploitation movies.
>>119950522
>>119950730
Lurk more newfag.
Genji wanted to fuck his mom and adopted daughter/lover.
>>119950730
Same deal. An outsider commenting on something they have limited experience with. It doesn't just have to be country, it could extend to any community, sub-cultures etc.
>>119950728
No, the reasoning is that the fanservice smothers everything else going on in the scene.
>>119950757
You're talking about an ancient story, it has nothing to do with modern Japan.
Or if this is the case then why Europe isn't okay with incest if Greek gods fucked each other all the time?
>>119950709
This. Everything we see on the media/blogs/reviews.
Everything is so politically correct its stopping evolution(thats not the right wording but bare with me as English it not my native language)
I've given up in the human race, we are absolute trash.
>>119950671
>not hating every other culture except for your own
What the fuck man, did you forget about Pearl Harbor?
>>119950730
Bullshit. All japanese media, even non otaku related and even way before the word otaku was used to define anime fans, never shyed away from some light nudity. Only recently they are americanizing.
>>119950790
Only if the viewer is a retard. Like you, for example.
>>119950790
how does fanservice smother lighthearted sibling banter and otaku-oriented humor
>>119950703
The basic standard SHOULD be expected. It's the basic standard for a reason.
If someone doesn't meet the standard then you don't pay them any attention. If someone does meet it then do give them your clicks.
Just because Western Journalism is currently shit doesn't mean we should lower our expectations, we should keep them at the level where we need people to be and just ignore the stuff like clickbait articles.
Their reward is our continued support. The fact clickbait articles are a thing is what makes this entire situation a thing. Which is actually something I agree with you on.
>>119950809
Before you reply to other idiots, make sure you're not writing like an idiot yourself.
>>119950674
There is nothing wrong with criticism, but simply stating your disagreement with something is no criticism. It's basically whining that not everyone likes the same thing you do.
>>119950567
Citation needed.
>>119950817
>currently shit
>currently
Please. Journalism has ALWAYS been shit.
I have to ask -- how many of the autists on this board who believe incest should be a normalized concept actually have siblings of the opposite sex?
>stop talk shit about my shitty fanservice pandering, it's masterpiece. bla bla
You just asking for this, faggot
>>119950862
I hate to ask - which board did you come from, and why?
>>119950795
Europe is okay with bestiality though which is how the Minotaur was produced.
There are legal animal brothels in Europe where you can fuck animals.
So again, you should lurk more.
>>119950145
Wrong. He's calling a scene from an LN adaption fanservice. Fuck that.
>>119950800
>light nudity
This is not light nudity. And you're wrong. They started doing this in 60s because of the sexual and cultural revolution. You know, a Western revolution.
>>119950862
Normalized concept doesn't mean a majority has to be up for it. Western countries think being gay should be considered normal despite gay people being a minority. Incest is no different, but Western leftists look at it differently.
>>119950862
You might have problems if you cant divide real life from fantasy.
>>119950891
>Europe is okay with bestiality
It isn't. It's illegal in most European countries.
>>119950026
You just have to deal with it.
The western fandom only like stuff like Dandy, Death Parade and Lesbo Bears.
This is cause amerifags and many westerners in generals have such a deep-rooted idea that everything related to sexual exploitation is the shit off the shit, and nothing in any circumstance or context can be good if is about sexuality, that their brain caannot even process the concept of "good but fanservicey" their ears would begin to bleed.
"Fanservice is the shit! Period! Shut up! And if you like it is cause you're a masturbation obsessed retard!"
>>119950927
Unlike in murrica, you should have added.
>>119950915
Incest is different. Especially if there is some age-gap.
>>119950891
>There are legal animal brothels in Europe where you can fuck animals.
Did your redneck grandpa tell you this?
>>119950825
I would like to receive more constructive feedback, please go into detail why you think I was " writing like an idiot".
>>119950849
Lets take my main criticism as the point of reference here. It's going to make me sound a lot more Otaku than I intend to be but fuck it.
My issue is that they marked down Incest Fanservice Humour as a negative.
Now this is applying a western viewpoint on a Japanese product written by a guy who is selling his entire series on Wordplay and Fanservice plus a company that is using that source material and combining it with slick visuals to make a high selling product.
Marking down a selling point as bad is just completely missing the point. It's like saying. "Oh there was too much talking" or "There were too many Japanese references."
Whether you enjoy Incest Fanservice Humour or not, it shows a complete lack of understanding in the show you are reviewing if you aren't at least understanding why people are watching it and the demographic it is trying to target.
>>119950862
>I have to ask -- how many of the autists on this movie theater who believe murder should be a normalized concept actually kill people that wronged them?
>>119950910
Yeah, the matherfucking 60s lots of time ago.
And why today the mentality is regressing to pre 60s like a fucking taliban invasion? What the hell our parents did wrong? We should have been the free sex while listening to metal generation.
>>119950980
No capitalization or punctuation, but I see that you've fixed that. Good job.
>>119950955
It's not different at all if all involved parties are above the age of consent. The fact that you think it's different itself shows how Westerners have been conditioned into thinking.
>>119951003
faggot
>>119950862
What's your problem with gay incest, bigot?
>>119950860
I'll give you that.
However it's never been more prevalent than in this current times with the advent of the internet connecting the entire world with everyone suddenly thinking they can be journalists on their blog.
>>119950982
Well, maybe they like the wordplay and dislike fanservice?
>>119950026
>Incestuous Fanservice Humor
>Bad
>>119951002
>We should have been the free sex while listening to metal generation.
Get back to the 90ies. Kids these days listen to niggerhop and wubstep.
>>119950927
Germany was okay with animal fucking until last year so pretty much since Germany's conception as a nation, animal fucking wasn't banned until 2013.
So just because you banned animal fucking 2 years ago still doesn't change the fact that for hundreds of years, you allowed animal fucking.
>>119951019
True, but they could pointed out what >>119950982 said about it being part of the selling point rather than shit on it just because.
>>119950310
Fuck that shit.
>>119950026
>Why can't Western anime fans accept anime for what it is?
Because they're mostly SJWs and normalfags - or rather, they'd like to be normalfags and yearn for acceptance. They're insecure people who are afraid of being judged, of being considered deviant - which is quite amusing, because these sorts of people usually pride themselves with being "different", "hipsters", etc.
On /a/, we're different. We've given up on society, we revel in being reviled.
I eagerly welcome any sort of fanservice, if only for the reason that it deters the insincere and makes them fell unwelcome.
Real question is why OP reads shitty Kotaku articles?
>>119950891
Yeah no. Finland and Denmark are apparently the only countries that don't actually care about it. Just can't sell any videos and what not.
>>119951019
Then Monogatari still isn't the show for them. It's prided itself on being Fanservice. It's been a plot point multiple times.
To the extent their immaculately animated panty shot is the very first thing you see and is the very first event which sets of the entire series.
The second episode is 10 minutes of Senjougahara naked or changing clothes but even that is justified by the context in which she doing it.
>>119951051
I would, i totally would.
No actually the '80s or even '70s.
>>119951059
Why did they ban it?
>>119950026
Next up on retarted complaints:
"Bad - Eroge has porn in it"
You know, if you are not ok with 80% of a medium, you could always not consume it...
>>119950921
>>119950989
>>119950915
You're just the same normalfags as the cross-boarding faggots. I fapped with my little sister's panties and I'm not afraid to say it.
>>119950862
Maybe you should realize some people only care about incest in anime/VNs etc.
Please don't criticize anime etc. with the reasoning of "it's gross IRL". Who the fuck cares?
The West doesn't realize that fun things are fun anymore.
>>119950817
>The basic standard SHOULD be expected.
Why would you expect something that is statistically improbable? That doesn't make sense.
Anyway, it was originally directed at people like the OP who are functionally illiterate and can't distinguish between "acceptable" and "burning bag of dogshit."
>>119950955
How?
>>119951143
Yes, see >>119950558
Because americans.
>pokemon is satanic
>videogames turn you into a killer machine
>the queen is actually lizardpeople and she will attack us soon to claim what is hers
>>119951146
Can you even read?
>tfw there are literally nolivinganime reviewers who actually have good taste
>>119951118
I think it's pretty clear that OP didn't read anything.
>>119951146
Well, you're a creepy fuck and you're probably proud of it. See, this is what incest anime can do to a person. You don't even understand what is morally wrong and right.
Sorry, but otaku culture is creepy as fuck. Incest isn't treated as some kind of forbidden love, but a disturbing sexualization of little sisters (naive girls that will do everything to their brothers). And guess what? Family rape is the most common kind of rape.
>>119951143
It happens!
In many boards i continuosly read about ECCHI manga or anime being shit cause they're ecchi!
>muh christian values
>think of the children
That's why.
>>119951175
>because protestants
FTFY
>>119950982
In that case take the review for what it is:
A western viewpoint on a Japanese product
If you think that there review holds no meaning because the writer does not belong to the product's target group, then you are in no position to judge his review, because you obviously don't belong to his target group.
That logic holds no ground. Even people who do not belong to the product's audience should be free to review the product. You're essentially reviewing his review. If you only let people who admire your work review it, you'll never receive any worthy criticism.
>>119951156
>Why would you expect something that is statistically improbable?
Because we need to keep this dream alive, anon. We need to believe there is a goal to reach so that we don't continue to fall into shit.
If we lower our standards then we will continue to lower them as the situation gets worse and worse.
If we're able to against all odds reach the fabled basic standard then we will have succeeded.Or some equally uplifting speech preaching that humanity isn't completely shit and that we can make ourselves better
>>119951212
Only retarded protestants.
We kicked them out of yurope for a reason.
>>119951190
That is not t-tru.... why the fuck am I trying to argue back?
Fuck reviewers, especially those that think "This is shit because hur hur I'm a moralfag therefore I'm cool".
>>119951205
>Family rape is the most common kind of rape.
If you were my family, I would rape you every day, fuccboi.
>>119951211
Is it time to tip?
>>119951212
Aren't Murricans mostly Catholic?
>>119950982
In that case i should like Oreimo because it makes of incest its main selling point? Fuck both of these shits.
>>119951190
RIP jii-san
May your bones be bleached under the Arizona sun
There's too much self-importance in reviews. "What will other people think about ME if I don't criticize fanservice as being the devil?"
>>119950558
The funniest thing is that these people don't realise that they're the exact same thing as Muslims demanding bans of depictions of the prophet because it hurts their feelings. It's the exact same thing.
>>119951205
That's fine, but if you engulf yourself in otaku culture and even write reviews about it, you're just retarded if you still stand to this mindset.
>>119951247
Only murricans who are not from USA.
>>119951247
>Yuropoor education
No
>>119951253
Good point.
>>119950390
fake ,right?
>>119951293
No, it's not.
>>119951262
I don't think they are really that interested in otaku culture. They just like "cool" stuff in anime. Not all shows are about fanservice, incest and similar crap.
>>119950026
I actually won't watch anything with Fire Sisters having more than 5min of screentime thanks to Nise.
I won't touch Tsuki anyway.
>>119951253
Kotaku writers (and most anime bloggers) have no shame. They just write about what panders to their demographic.
>>119951310
Fag.
>>119951205
>You don't even understand what is morally wrong and right.
How about you go fuck yourself and grow up. There is no right and wrong in terms of morals. The concept of morals itself is standing on thin fucking legs. If anon wants to fap with his imoutos pantsu he can fucking do that.
>>119950026
>Why can't Western anime fans accept anime for what it is?
Why can't I have my own opinion?
>>119951310
>I'm actually a faggot
Okay.
>>119951253
An hero?
A worthy and open minded reviewer able to contextualize the events and the humor and not restricted by moral faggottry?
>>119950310
Is gay incest okay?
>>119951218
And if you only let pessimists review your work, you'll never get any praise. The person doing the reviewing should be a fan of the work. That means there actually is some credibility to their judgement. You're right in saying that it can lead to receiving no harsh criticism, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.
Let's go with a simpler example. If I want to buy the most efficient car available, I'll go to someone who actually knows the shit they're talking about. I wouldn't be asking a hobo which vehicle has the best fuel efficiency. I don't give a shit if he can speak like a lawyer, that'll just be plain stupidity.
>>119951116
Not OP, but I agree with you. It seems like when it comes to being a deviant, say like watching anime, there's an "accepted" way of doing so and you have to watch the right series (eg. "Attack on Titan" for fuck's sake) and think the right opinions in order to be accepted.
Every time I hear someone say they've recently gotten into anime and they've started watching SnK or SAO, they think they're so different from everyone else. But at the same time they're still conforming to watch the same drivel like with Western TV shows.
>>119951355
Between girls.
>>119951334
Like I said, you're all morally bankrupt. Read more rape doujinshi. That will certainly help.
>>119951310
This.
The quality of a Monogatari arc is directly proportional to the quality of the girl it pertains to.
This is why Crab's and Nadeko's arcs are the best, and why Hanekawa arcs are shit.
>>119951218
I don't think it lacks meaning. I just think it should be taken with a grain of salt because he is going into a series he knows what to expect and then complains about what he's seeing even when he knew what to expect.
He's a western person looking at this thinking. "Hmm, it's got incest. Which is something I don't like." which is 99% sure a cultural opinion, hence why I stated western.
Then he's reviewing a show which sells itself on stuff like Incest Fanservice Humour.
It's like watching Yosuga no Sora and saying you didn't like the last arc because of the incest.
He's going into a show he should understand he's not going to like and then marking it down negatively because he doesn't like it even though he knew exactly what he was getting in to. He watched Nisemonogatari, he knew better.
>>119950026
Because there are westerners that want to push western "values" into anime, to the point that we will stop watching anime because it will become a copy-paste of western cartoons.
thank god the japs never listen too much to what the outside world tells themI'm no weaboo, I don't want to be japanese but I admire them for that
>>119950982
-monogatari might be full of gratuitous fanservice, but it's predominantly known for being banter: the anime.
It's not unreasonable for someone to really enjoy the banter and not the fanservice.
Or another way to look at it: you can find gratuitous fanservice anime anywhere, but well-executed banter anime is something unique to -monogatari.
>>119951376
It will certainly help my cock. You want me to shove it up your ass as well so we can figure out whether or not your "morals" are backwards shit?
>>119951253
This. All anime reviewers are self-important, pretentious retards. Maybe even all bloggers are.
>>119951247
No, protestants. Like catholics from an old age. They still try to deny evolution and that earth is not the center of the universe. And then they review anime and manga.
>>119951251
Did you go into Oreimo knowing it was incest? You don't have to like OreImo. I don't but I'm not going to mark down a show for incest when it's entire premise is "My Little Sister Cannot Be This Cute"OreImo is just a terrible show in general. Even if you don't like Incest.
There was a time when I complained about these things too (fanservice, loli, etc) but then /a/ made me realize that I actually love these things and I was just pretending to hate.
I'm sure those faggots feel the same way.
>>119951324
>>119951336
Nah, even if I watch vietnam cartoons I still have some standards.
They're nothing but fanservice, fanservice, fanservice with a side dish of exposition, not to mention their characters are shit. I know Monogatari is not the pinacle of characterization and development, but when some girls have it good and other have it absolutely bad it hurts the experience.
>>119951383
Crab is a good character, Nadeko not so much but her arc is fun. Cat is too 3D for anons, that's why you hate her.
>>119951233
It's the other way around, anon. If you set the bar too high, the writers down in Burning Dogshit Valley won't even be able to see it, and thus won't even try to strive for it. By setting the bar higher bit by bit, we may be able to finally reach the Steins;Article worldline.
>>119950903
>He's calling a scene from an LN adaption fanservice. Fuck that.
Do you think LNs don't have fanservice or something?
>>119951439
I will always laugh at people who are "surprised" at Oreimo's incestual ending. The show is called "My Little Sister cannot be this Cute!" Take a fucking hint.
>>119950026
Like any medium/genre there's good and bad aspects. Stop being an autist and realize that your opinion isn't special. Your image is retarded too though, Monogatari is a bad series with or without fanservice.
>>119951464
>I'm sure those faggots feel the same way.
No. Those faggots are concerned that their audience like, so they can get more hits. They also get hits by enraging retards like /a/nons, and getting them to spread their articles. Clickbait at work. This thread is part of it too, just that OP forgot to post the link.
>Stop with the character-driven shows that are more about the lives of the characters than some grand plot with a big bad!
>Stop with the episodes that are just the characters screwing around!
>Stop with the drawn boobs that make me feel uncomfortable!
>Stop with the teenage protagonists!
>Stop with the shitty Japanese humor!
>WRITE YOUR JAPANESE SHOWS AROUND MY WESTERN TASTES
What I don't get is why these people are even watching anime to begin with.
There are thousands and thousands of shows out that do exactly what they're asking for. It's called western television.
What does it matter? It's not like any of their reviews do anything.
Just ignore the idiotic fucks. Maybe one day they'll get that stick surgically removed out of their ass and finally have fun. Until then, just laugh at 'em. Their stupidity is frustrating? Don't read clickbait in the first place.
>>119951438
>deny...earth is not the center of the universe
But anon, it's actually not.
>>119951364
>If I want to buy the most efficient car available, I'll go to someone who actually knows the shit they're talking about. I wouldn't be asking a hobo which vehicle has the best fuel efficiency. I don't give a shit if he can speak like a lawyer, that'll just be plain stupidity.
That's a different topic, because a car will have it's up and down sides. Anime, or shows (or even entertainment in general) are a subjective matter, which is why there will be no objective opinion, unlike with cars. With cars it's closer to math.
>>119951384
Like I said, in that case take it for what you see it as:
A western viewpoint on a Japanese product
It will help the average american know wether he'll like the show or not.
The only way I can think of a compromise between you and the author would be, if the author mentioned that he obviously does not belong to the targeted audience. I think if that was the case, no one in this thread would complain.
>>119951501
You're doubly clueless.
>>119951501
I hate Monogatari. I usually don't hate anime, but Monogatari is insufferable.
>>119951486
But Kuroneko is best girl.
>>119951486
Wait you mean that there is some kind of connection?
>>119951501
Your whatevergatari hating is not the point here genius.
>>119951520
This. I doubt westerners even matter since majority doesn't even buy their show.
>>119951538
What's insufferable about it?
>>119951551
Why are you so upset?
>>119951205
Aww, did someone touch you in some uncomfortable place when you were young? All that projection make it sound like you're speaking from experience.
Who the fuck cares, anon?
Another Rapelay isn't going to happen any time soon.Well maybe until the Olympics but that's another can of worms to worry about later.
>>119951399
>gratuitous fanservice
Whoa there, anon. Gratuitous implies its tacked on. That 10 second Panty Shot is the shining example of Monogatari's high standards for interweaving ecchi fanservice and plot together.
As for the banter part. I think that's why most people stay for Monogatari. I'm not going to deny that. It's probably the main selling point even over the fanservice but that doesn't make the fanservice less of a selling point.
My issue comes from saying the fanservice is a negative in a show that actively prides itself on having well done fanservice. You remove the Fanservice from Monogatari and it's no longer the same beast.
Other shows with actual gratuitous fanservice like generic harem #90012 where the girl falls and gives you a non-sequitor panty shot could have that scene removed and not lose anything.
>>119951464
I think incest in real life is kinda fucked up. Dunno if it's because I have a oneesan, but it just don't work in my head.
But in anime, I'm like pic related
>>119951563
Everything. It's pure otaku bait that pretends to be something more.
>>119951547
She is and sadly we will only see her getting the tender loving she deserves in various doujins.
>>119951607
So you're unhappy some people see something more in it?
If only everything was as stupid as you want it to be, eh?
>>119951588
>Rapelay
Man, it's been a while since I heard that name again.
>>119951588
>Well maybe until the Olympics but that's another can of worms to worry about later.
Are they still going to demolish Akihabara?
>>119951600
>I think incest in real life is kinda fucked up.
If both parties are willing, I see no problem with it. I have a little sister and I would never touch her, though.
2d makes everything great, by the way.
>>119951565
When people try to spout dumbassery while trying to be all "i'm better than you" like the reviewer in OP it always upset me. Fuck "is an opinion", if they are free to make shitty review, i'm free to complain about how shitty are their review.
>>119951623
But it is. Everything about Monogatari is bad. From annoying characters to atrocious editing.
>>119951632
LOL, if feminazis didn't go on rampage probably you would never heard of it.
>>119951680
>LOL
>>119951650
You've already made it very clear that you're able to make an idiot out of yourself, don't worry.
>>119951597
It's a negative for the person who wrote the review, and he explains why.
Stop assuming that everything is coming from /a/'s "x is objectively SHIT because I say so" mindset.
>>119951675
And what is good to you?
When faggots bitch about incest in 2D, I immediately lose all respect for their opinion and condescendingly attack them as hard as possible. The words "retarded" and "pathetic" are my personal favorites.
>>119951687
Your words make me proud, master.
>>119951702
With similar style? Tatami Galaxy is good.
>>119950257
Two siblings giving birth to a child raises the chances of retardation. Other than that I never understood why it is "wrong".Somehow the topic came up a few months ago with my father (we were watching the news or something) and the only reasoning he had against incest was that it's "wrong". Right.
A woman and a man loving each other is ok.
Two faggots loving each other is ok.
Two dykes loving each other is ok.
Two siblings loving each other is apparently wrong.
It's not like incest is my fetish but who am I (or who's anyone else for that matter) to tell two people that it's wrong to love each other?
>>119951600
Who cares? You're not okay with it because you don't feel like fucking your sister? That's some fucked up shit right there. I like incest in 2D as well but I would never fuck my mom or non existing sister. But what is the fucking problem if you do actually feel like doing it and your significant other is all for it? There is no problem. It doesn't affect me. People can fuck dead cows for all I care. Just don't do it in front of me.
>>119951528
My example definitely was a bit flawed, but my main point was simply to say a reviewer who is interested in the product has more credibility than someone who's reviewing just for the sake of it.
>The only way I can think of a compromise between you and the author would be, if the author mentioned that he obviously does not belong to the targeted audience.
That would be ideal scenario, except I can never recall such a case ever happening before.
>>119950257
It's disdurbing for people who actually have silbings and aren't attracted to them.
>>119951481
It's not too high. It's the lowest we can possibly put it before we start falling into shit. Also fuck I hate you so much right now. You're making me want to rewatch Steins; Gate. I haven't watch that in years.
>>119951486
You know, I think they were sidetracked by the fact Kirino was unlikable and just wished so hard that the title was a misnomer.
>>119951528
He could just not put under "Bad" and put it as its own thing. Maybe just explain that if you don't like Fanservice that you might not be the kind of show for you.
>>119951721
As expected.
>>119951650
>can't even type English
>criticizes other people's writing
Please find a website that actually uses your native language.
>>119951680
Nah. I liked Battle Raper more anyway.
>>119951373
Yuri incest is shit unless it's twincest. Prove me wrong.
>>119950026
Because internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekr3n17iQSc
>>119951559
Honestly, even if westerners were importing BDs by the shipload, the complainers still wouldn't get what they want.
The Japanese have always had a very hard time understanding foreign thought processes. Attempts to cater to foreigners usually don't turn out well, and they tend to see them as one united entity with a single set of opinions. Which is why they're surprised when they find out that there are westerners who want stuff like Senran Kagura, Neptunia, etc.
Also, unless the fanbase is overwhelmingly western (i.e. Zelda or MGS), the Japanese will gear their works towards Japanese audiences and just let the westerners respond as they will. That's really for the best, given the above.
>>119950624
>"we all know this is a stupid fantasy"
He said that Monogatari was originally masturbatory piece of writing he did for himself but ended up published, that's why is actually good and why it has incest.
>>119951723
Because one party almost always is in the position of authority. An older brother can literally groom his younger sister into his sexual partner. This is not okay.
>>119951743
You and me both.
I've wrote anything about grammarnazism.
>>119950026
To be honest, fanservice gets stale after awhile and is almost always subpar to what you can get on sadpanda. I kind of wish they stop doing it altogether, as less fanservice almost always equates to more and better doujinshi. Also, 90% of the time it feels forced and juvenile, which makes it far less likely to excite and far more likely to get an eyeroll. Again, the superior product is on sadpanda.
>>119951479
If you're not an /a/non, then I have no idea what you're still doing here.
>>119951757
Yes, very honest of him.
>>119951738
We've been mired in this turdsea for ages, anon. It is clearly too high.
>You're making me want to rewatch Steins; Gate.
Do it, faggot. I just rewatched it a couple weeks ago and it's still amazing.
The movie had its ups and downs.
>>119951754
It's amazing how the Japanese not giving a shit in this case is a good thing. Normally, I'll be crying for the opposite.
>>119951754
>implying Nintendo is not trying to appeal to the japanese audience with every new Zelda that is not TP
>>119950026
western anime fans need to understand that their opinion on anime doesn't matter now and wont mater for a long time. its like somebody in russias opinon on the next US election. what do people hate fanservice so much? its literally a service to them. anime is visual entertainment so why would you want to watch still shots of the background or just two characters standing next to each other talking when you could have cool stylized shots of legs/ass/tits or anything to keep your eyes on screen?
>>119951721
Tatami Galaxy is nothing like Bakemonogatari in terms of anything.
>>119951486
Hindsightfags are hilarious. You can search in some database how many titles have imouto in the title, and how many of them actually have a full-blown incest ending. And no, not related doesn't count.
>>119950891
Just because there are some pervs doesn't mean the general population doesn't look down on them or aren't disgusted by it.
>>119951807
Yet the "I'm too good for Monogatari" people always name it as their go-to anime.
>>119951806
>anime is visual entertainment so why would you want to watch still shots of the background or just two characters standing next to each other talking when you could have cool stylized shots of legs/ass/tits or anything to keep your eyes on screen?
I'd rather have not boring shots.
>>119951723
>Two dykes loving each other is okay
Nothing wrong with cute, lewd 2D lillies. Just their hideous buzzcut 3Dshit world counterparts. And the only thing against incest is retarded moralfaggot stigma perpetuated since who knows when even though the most kind and noble men in the Old Testament were spreading pure love left and right and having actually happy harems.
>>119951754
Just few westerners import anime BDs and most of them aren't normalfaggots, this means that western audinece and opinions are WORTHLESS for anime as whole.
>>119950891
>bestiality
This reminds me that xxzero just explained why Faithful Tepig 2 was so shit.
Gotta love that guy.
>>119951765
Sure that is possible (and not okay) but I was talking about what >>119950257 mentioned.
>Two adults able to give consent that happen to be brothers or cousins.
The emphasis is on adults who are able to give consent.
>>119951355
I wish we'd get more incest between shota twins.
>>119951765
Full hikaru genji
>>119951694
He's disliking a show based on it's selling point. He's not even uninformed either, he watched Nisemonogatari, he knew exactly what he was getting in for.
He's denying the show's other core concept. I don't think going into something you know you're not going to like is going to be fair to the show you're reviewing.
>>119951528
I think the different is point there is incest and "wholly shit there is incest and messing up the show"
I mean if the incest is is ruining the show they might have a point.
That is why I hate western anime fan base for bring their expectation in anime.
>>119951723
I don't understand why there's a higher chance of retardation. Aren't we all related by blood in some way, shape or form?
>>119951785
It had a movie?! Oh sweet lord just how long has it been since I watched it. All I can remember from it now is that Suzuha, Masta Hakka, Tuturu, Kurisu...actually, I remember a fair bit. Though that movie is definitely on my list now.
>>119951867
My nigga
http://exhentai.org/g/626186/19af44363e/
>>119951607
>It's pure otaku bait that pretends to be something more.
I don't think the show pretends to be something more.
Monogatari is a peculiar example because it's one of the few shows that are actually very much otaku oriented but appeal to a wide audience. Mostly because of the somewhat unusual art direction and how the first season started off more of a romance story (featuring vampires nonetheless) rather than the harem anime that it actually is. This gave normalfags a wrong impression of what they're getting into. Now they're confronted with this show they've liked and they're trying to make sense of it. Rather than admitting to themselves that they've enjoyed a silly, otaku oriented harem show with plenty of fanservice, they're trying to attribute deeper meaning to it than it has. Some are denying the harem aspects - claiming it were nothing more than a regular romance story, some are attempting to find allegories within the fanservice, others are blowing Araragi's character out of proportion, claiming he was such an usual and deep character never found before in harem anime. The whole show is surrounded by this huge bubble of fanwankery coming from a part of its fanbase that is simply in denial about what type of show it is. Monogatari isn't a bad show, it's technically reasonably well made, or rather they made a lot out of very little given its slideshow character - but it certainly doesn't pretend to be more than it is. It's the fanbase who does.
This also tells you a lot about these sorts of mature people who watch mature shows - they care more about the reputation of a show than its actual content. They're not the discerning viewers they claim to be, but they're sheep who watch what others claim to be good and regurgitate those opinions rather than being able to make up their own mind. And this shouldn't come as a surprise: they only watch a fraction of the shows available after all because everything else is "beneath" them. They lack experience.
>>119951873
Murasaki wasn't his sister.
>>119950390
This shit was painful.
>>119951918
Yes and the movie was pretty good. Kurisu a cute.
Fanservice is ok, so long as its kept to the point where one can easily ignore it. It does become annoying when a good chunk of a 20 minute episode is spent forcing characters into scenarios that don't even resonate with their characters. And honestly, if you want to see porn of the characters, there are ways to do that without ruining the show in the progress.
I wish anime had more geniune sex scenes that are in compliance with character rather than a male protagonist accidently rubbing the female's tits and awkward moment ensues as the female slaps the guy and drops her towel in the process. Just let them fuck instead. Atleast you'll skip the pandering criticism that way. But I guess otaku would be too frightened of two characters actually bonding in a sexual manner.
>>119951898
Have you passed your high school biology class yet?
>>119950490
Ah, so if it is something you agree with it is not depraved and if it isn't then it must be depraved? Why not be non-critical of both?
>>119951752
That faggot actually put Onee-chan ga Kita that low? Holy fuck this is some true moralfag shit. Did he even watch past the first episode?:<
>>119951335
Because your kind of opinion is obnoxious moralfaggotry and shit.
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>>119951918
What a beautiful discussion without resorting to ad hominem.
I'm being serious. You guys >>> 99% of /a/
>>119951205
Man-on-woman rape is the most common kind of rape. Ban heterosexual sex.
>>119950026
It's because of autists like this that we end up with 500 post threads of people who can't tell the difference between the atmosphere and context in the "walk me home gently" scene and the toothbrush scene in Nise.
>>119951752
>check AgK and TG instead
Made me laugh harder than I should have.
>>119951918
An OVA episode and a movie, in that order.
My only real complain with them is that the original ending was too good, so if you weren't crazy about the ending then you should enjoy it.
>>119951960
You mean the part where they teach you about recessive genes? For example blond hair or different shape of face? There's a reason why human-grown fauna and flora are often of the same lines. You can get desired results more easily.
>>119951898
Higher chance of rare recessive genetic traits because very similar genetics are crossing each other. Although actually only one generation of incest between brother and sister is not significantly higher than a normal non incest pairing.
>>119951547
What the fuck does that kind of shit have to do with anything, you stupid faggot? How does that makes Oreimo's ending any less fitting regardless of the actual quality of the characters themselves?
>>119951925
We need more like this and a PA Works anime adaptation.
>>119951953
Is the movie like a sequel or something. Or is it just like a retelling like Madoka had going for it for the first two movies?
>>119950257
Pic related is your typical normalfag.
>>119950026
Why even give a damn about people with below shit-tier opinions.
Just let them rot on fuckbook or whatever in obscurity surrounded by their own retarded kind.
Meanwhile I'll keep on enjoying the good stuff instead of reading things sure to further degrade my faith in humanity.
>>119952083
It's a sequel.
>>119952006
Don't like people attacking you while they shit on your opinion?
>>119952006
Such is the will of Steins Gate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTn_nz1I9_Y
>>119951765
I like older brothers that groom their younger brothers into cock suckers.
>>119952092
What does ohb mean?
>>119950257
It's bad example for the kids.
>>119952024
I think from memory (don't use it as a reliable source. It's been a while) I liked the ending. If I recall HOUOUIN KYOUMA actually manages to get shit done like a boss.
So I should prepare myself and/or my anus for some mild disappointment about the movie/OVA or should I be alright?
>>119952092
Where's OHB gone to?
>>119952154
It means that you're a newfag who doen't know oral hygiene bro.
