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Who's the worst Gary Stu in anime and manga?
Fuck that negro. Let's have Yahello thread instead.
Haruno is love! Haruno is life!
Haruno ending when?
>>119378171
just finished rewatching it, then realized it was self insert bullshit and i have shit taste
>>119378171
>8man
>Gary Stu
The point of the entire character is that its FLAWED
8man is a lazy cynical bum that would rather let his ass be wiped by his sister into all eternity than better himself
his philosophical ramblings resonate with the viewer, but they are also inherentely flawed
thats the point
>>119379838
>not realizing it's the autist pushing his autistic opinion on everyone as to why Hachiman is a Garu Stu
>>119379951
i wouldn't go as far to say 8mans a gary stu, but some of the solutions to plot problems were just wimpy.
tennis ball windpowers, please.
depressed girl locater powers, eh.
>>119378171
and why is it Shiba Tatsuya?
ITS THE GUY THAT GOES IN CIRCLE SAYING 8MAN IS A GARY STU
HE WILL NOT BACK ANY OF HIS CLAIMS WITH FACTS
HE WILL INSULT YOU ON A PERSONAL LEVEL IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH HIM
>>119379838
>The point of the entire character is that its FLAWED
And James Bond only sleeps with married women and sluts because he can't commit, which definitely constitutes a flaw. He's still a Gary Stu.
>>119380021
Did you read the LN?
if no, fuck off
>>119378171
Not the character you posted, that's for sure.
>>119380071
Stop using capslock. This is a civilized image board.
>>119380133
ITS BROKEN, NOTHING I CAN DO.
>>119380021
And people wonder why animeonly fags are cancerous.
>>119380132
He's pretty Gary Stu. If by normal standards, he has a superhuman ability to not care about social interaction and the approval of others. From the point of view of a shut-in who watches anime all day, he's a hero.
>>119378171
He's to autistic.
>>119380363
>he has a superhuman ability to not care about social interaction and the approval of others.
That isn't superhuman at all.
>>119380415
How the fuck do I get this power so I can use it in everyday life.
>>119380363
In order to be a gary stu, he has to be a gary stu for everybody, not a select group. I already told you yesterday he is not, you're thinking of an underdog.
We had this EXACT same "discussion" in another thread yesterday. If you think hachiman is a gary stu you are literally fucking retarded and probably some filipino who watches bad anime all day and thought he was "deep"
I guess I have an idea of how shit the season 2 Yahari threads will be if this autist participates.
Mary Stu/Gary Stu is just a fanfic characters that steals the spotlight from the actual main character of whatever work the fanfic is based on.
That is the original and only meaning of the term.
Using the term for anything else is "Tumblr landwhale complaining about character she doesn't like" Tier.
You are just whining about romanticized takes on a loner (Hachiman), gamer (Kirito), NEET (Sora) and so on.
>>119380363
It's just like how Dr. Doom is a Gary Stu for world dictators.
>>119380496
I have to admit that it's hard for me not to care about those things. I think it's just really busying yourself with so much shit that you don't give half a fuck about anything.
Hachiman probably WANTS to be accepted in some way, but believes he will never be able to.
>>119380558
>bad Filipino who watches bad anime
10/10 giggled a bit
>>119380515
>In order to be a gary stu, he has to be a gary stu for everybody
Who is a Gary Stu for everybody?
You could write some super religious character that always acts godly, and people would call him a Gary Stu, but only religious people would see him that way. Similarly, you could write a manslut that always sleeps around as a Gary Stu, but people who are against sleeping around wouldn't see him that way.
Sherlock Holmes is a Gary Stu, but he never shows interest in women. There are people who find that pathetic.
>>119380662
But by who I feel like he has certain people he wants to accepted by.
>>119380113
>>119380267
there was barely any difference in the light novel for the tennis ball part from the show
>>119380860
Why would he show interest in women when he has Watson?
>>119378171
8man? I didn't watch this show either but the truth is that Jesus Yamato, Tatsuya, and Kirito are ultimate Gary Stues of the worst kind.
>>119380860
>not showing interest in women
As much as I want to agree with that statement didn't he actually like someone.
>>119378171
i r8 this b8 2/8, not that gr8
>>119381007
Kirito is fucking garbage.
>>119380085
James Bond got married, you sack of cum. In any case, nobody other than Ian Fleming thinks he's a realistic/flawed character
>>119380170
hold shift you complete cuntard
>>119380363
Then I'm a Gary Stu as well, since I couldn't give a shit what others think. You get bigger problems in life as you grow up, and you'll stop thinking of shit like how many people disapprove of you; they can just join the line-up of all the others that feel the same.
>>119381269
Thank you.
>>119380594
well let's be clear, Sora and Kirito actually are Gary Stus.
>>119381368
If you have friends or are married, that's normal. But it's not realistic for a person completely alone not to be lonely.
Funposting round two?
>>119381452
Why is this so true.
>>119381369
Anything to take shit down. No problem
>>119378171
Are you that autistic motherfucker who shitted up last nights thread?
You must be, holy shit please kill yourself.
>>119381076
In the novels, he never did. But Arthur Conan Doyle didn't really give two fucks. He only continued the novel series because fans wouldn't let it go. So when they made a TV adaptation of Sherlock Holmes, Doyle was like, "Kill him off, marry him off, I don't care what you do with him". Since then, he's been paired with Irene Adler in some adaptations, but he was still asexual in the source material.
>>119381452
I'm completely alone, yet not lonelybecause I have /a/
>/a/
>where mary sue/gary stu has lost all meaning
Might as well just come out and say it, all it means to half the fuckers here is "something I don't like".
>>119381641
I love you to anon and your autism as well no homo.
>>119381697
I know. It's insane that /a/ could see some virgin like Tatsuya as a Gary Stu.
>>119380594
Sora's not a Gary. He's just afraid of loneliness and the outside world, sexually repressed, and lucky that he didn't have to fight for real.
A Gary Stu would've actually DID something and had sex. Shiki Touno can be considered a Gary Stu; but hes' physically weak and "his show does not exist."
>>119381855
Tatsuya is actually a good example of a Gary Stu as the word originally intended. All powerful, nearly everyone he meets loves him, those who don't are proven childish/wrong, even the rare who stay that way respect him, can accomplish feats beyond what is thought possible. He has the whole recipe.
It's not really lack of flaws that make a mary sue/gary stu (though it does contribute) it's lack of meaningful flaws and presence as a characterTatsuya did have some flaws, mostly his inability to feel, not that it even impacted him negatively for more than a few moments. Every main character should be special in some way, why else would the story revolve around them, but the idea of Mary Sue was invented for characters who take all tension from a plot with their ability to solve any situation with the flick of a wrist.Still like onii-sama, fucker had his moments
Can someone please tell what a gray stu is. I want to know.
>>119381697
>>Insulting someone that you'll never be.
Hey. After a while, I stopped blaming myself for not being able to get a real job in real life. It doesn't mean that I should give up, though.
>>119382125
The male version of a Mary Sue, which originated from a self-insert fanfic from Star Trek. Oh god, that fanfic was fucking horrible, yet so amusing at the same time.
>>119378171
Is that the guy from oriemo
>>119381007
It's funny, when I hear the name Yamato, this is the first character that comes to mind for me. And he was a near perfect character, but he was intentionally written that way.
>>119382125
A male character you don't like. You don't need to know any more to contribute to a discussion like this.
>>119381586
I heard he was like Caligula and in love with a horse. Maybe even a pony
Hachiman is just a shit character.
>>119382125
Originally, a Gary Stu or Mary Sue was an original character fanfiction authors would shove into their fanfiction, who was the best at everything and would have all the characters love them.
Overtime, the meaning has been watered down to something like, "A self-insert that's perfect in every way possible, who everyone wants to be".
>>119378973
haruno best nee-san
>>119382169
>>119382197
Thank you both Ill stay away from this cancer thread.
>>119381977
He's damn close. EVERY single time he was essentially "in danger" of a loss he turns around at the last second and then he explains it was all according to plan, all along, the entire time.
>>119381697
Same with poor writing, shit plot, bad execution etc. Nigga you really expect me to think you even know what good writing is when the most intellectually stimulating thing these people have experienced is fucking evangelion?
It's all literal buzzwords
>/a/ hates 8man all of a sudden
why?
>>119381317
Not realistically flawed, but let's be fair here, he's well-rounded and despite what some of the movies play him up as, not Ass-pull Godmode tier like some LN protagonist. The books go out of their way to paint him as someone who's competent but never the best at anything. There are characters, villains especially, that surpass him in one way or the other, shooting, driving, brawling.
Hell, don't forget he pretty much only survives Casino Royale through outside intervention(Soviet agent interrupting his torture and killing Le Chiffre, Vesper committing suicide to keep assassins off him), among other entries.
He's not quite a John le Carré character, but what he does is emotionally and psychologically damaging to him and others. He's a borderline rapist sometimes and it's presented matter-of-factly. Sure, he gets laid a lot but it's not like a fucking harem show, he's at least forging some kind of connection which every woman he meets and gets heartbroken quite a few times.
Does he echo Fleming's viewpoints? Sure, and they're a product of his time, or /pol/ at his worst, but outside of monologues he's never particularly sanctimonious outside of the virtues of coffee.
He's the protagonist, yes, but not a gravity well on the narrative the same way /a/'s usual suspects are.
>8man
>Gary Stu
6/10 troll OP.
The only reason this shit gets replies is because gary stu is such a fucking buzzword on /a/, used all the time yet has no set meaning.
Keep being a shithole /a/
Doesn't matter what term it is.
Characters that just happen to be talented at many fields are terribly boring.
>>119382453
>Because muh morals
>>119382169
>Oh god, that fanfic was fucking horrible, yet so amusing at the same time.
It was made as a parody of all the Mary Sues that were being made unironically. Of course it was going to be terrible and amusing.
>>119382259
>watered down
Not really, it's just that we never had a term for original characters in original works that fit the criteria, and the term works just fine even when out of fanfiction.
>>119382172
Yes, season three. With Ponkon8 as the character designer.
Read the thread, you fucking retard.
>>119381421
Kirito is far from a Gary Stu. He gets his ass kicked pretty often.
>>119382453
He's a good character.
But I think many people hate the fact that autists here believe that he's in the right.
He's well written, but he's supposed to be pathetic.
Can you imagine how annoying a guy like that would be in your high school? Always so smug, yet failing to do anything extraordinary. Looking down on people that have a social life.
He has no ambitions or purpose whatsoever.
He does develop into a less pathetic person later on, though.
>>119382492
Depends on the setting. Achilles, for example, would have been a major Gary Stu if only his mother had fucking dropped him inside the river. He would have been immune to everything.
toufag from index
>>119382650
Before Alicization he was a Gary Stu
>>119382491
He is a Gary Stu though. He's a loser who doesn't give a fuck and never puts himself out there to be laughed at, unless he's helping someone out and purposely making himself look bad. He doesn't say awkward things or act like a sperglord, the way real people like him do. He's everything that hikkis wish they were.
>>119382685
>hating touMAN
>>119382723
I'd say he was borderline Gary Stu in Aincrad. After that, nope. He's anything but a Gary Stu once Alicization rolls around.
>>119382653
And yet I think to myself why do feel what he's doing is right. He has no sense of social justice whatsoever why can't I be like him. Things would seem interesting through the eyes of him is he really a hero or a queer and, why does he want to do with himself.
>>119382453
It's just one faggot was shitting up a thread yesterday and decided to continue here.
>>119379838
>character is that its FLAWED
And yet he's portrayed as some kind of heroic martyr who we're supposed to sympathize with to ridiculous lengths and maybe even idolize to some extent. It's pretty fucked up.
>>119382748
You apparently missed the memo that he laughs like a creep in class or to himself.
>>119382748
Either stop trolling or fuck off. That's clear as day not the definition of a gary stu and I shouldn't even have to explain why, unless you really are retarded.
And for anyone else in this thread too retarded to understand why, read this shit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
>inb4 "8man is wish fullfillment, therefor he's gary stu!"
If your wish is to be a loner hated by most and can't have a successful relationship with the only two hot girls who'll acknowledge him, then you're an autistic sperglord
>>119378171
this edgey faggot who just refuses to die, damnit!
>>119382453
All of the "Man I was JUST like Hachiman in high school!" blogshit when it was airing made me hate him.
>>119382453
Ask yourself why /a/ even liked him in the first place. He's a completely generic character. The only explanation is that /a/ wishes they were like him.
>All this edgy hate for 8man
kek
>>119382895
>heroic martyr
>secondary at full power
>supposed to sympathize
Who told you that? If you don't sympathize with him, you don't, the author doesn't forced that on you. Or are you saying that the fanbase is forcing you to?
>>119379838
8man is only flawed in a self-sacrificial way. While he does look down on others, he doesn't hesitate to help them if they call out to him. In the end, he does nothing but good things for others.
While I don't necessarily agree that he's a gary stu, I do find issue with the later volumes where Yahari has basically turned into a harem with some of the most stand out girls in school falling for him. It's quite absurd.
>>119383047
>then you're an autistic sperglord
That describes most of /a/ and otaku culture in general. These are people who have made a culture around rejecting real women and real socialization in favor waifus and online socializing.
That said, Hachiman has qualities that most people in general would aspire to, namely his ability to not give a fuck and not get himself into awkward situations by chasing after the approval of others.
>>119382895
Funny since in an interview, Watari explicitly states that Hachiman isn't someone to be admired. The anime's a total fuckup in glorifying that portion of him which is why animeonly fags don't really have an opinion.
>>119383172
You mean Yukino, Yui, and arguably Iroha? There's no one else.
In essence, language accounts for a mere 30% of human communication. The other 70% is made up of information collected from eye movements and other body language. With that, even a loner who never takes part in conversation can pull off 70% of what we consider communication. This a quote from 8man and he clearly is a fucking gary stu.
>>119382653
this anon knows what's up
>>119382472
It really depends on which Bond we're talking about. Ever since Brosnan, Bond has been shown as badass and swag, but deeply flawed with some serious issues. In contrast, back in the Connery days for example, Bond was a one dimensional Stu who fucked up everyone and was in the moral highground every time.
>>119383263
I'd argue that at least two others have a crush on him, if not outright like him. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that 8man's 'flaws' are really downplayed or nonexistent in recent volumes in favour of the developing love triangle/pentagon.
>>119383281
He's the hero that autistic sperglords deserve, but not the one they need right now.
>>119383263
Forgot SakiSaki, aswell.Just like 8man.
>>119383263
>You mean Yukino, Yui, and arguably Iroha? There's no one else.
Yeah but I bet the guy you responded to, and many others, truly believe that the trap, bartender girl, and sensei also love him and are somehow actual love candidates.
>>119383384
8man wants to fuck that boypussy though
>>119383362
That pic is kek
>>119383384
Not him, but I'm pretty sure it's too early to dismiss the implications of Sensei's feelings.
>>119383425
don't we all?
>>119383353
>downplayed
More likes he's slowly improving himself, and all the development lately doesn't really leave room for 8man issues
>>119383353
>In contrast, back in the Connery days for example, Bond was a one dimensional Stu who fucked up everyone and was in the moral highground every time.
That's just old school filmmaking.
Bond being really good at his job doesn't make him a Gary Stu. He fucks up plenty of times and survives most movies because of at least one stroke of dumb luck.
>>119383444
Yeah but let's be real, 8man and sensei ending up in any sort of romantic relationship would be either a complete asspull or would require some twisted reasoning as to why that makes sense for them.
>>119383353
How are they downplayed? There's a reason why the conflict happened in volumes 7-9. It took two whole volumes to clear that up.
The only actual love candidates are Yukino and Yui. Shipperfags and waifufags need not apply.
Unlike other harems, there's actual character development going on. I don't see the problem.
>>119383425
I'm not so sure he's after futa cock considering he can't get any for being, an edge lord all the time. but its questionable that's for sure.
>>119383552
When he picks Iroha i look forward to your mad
>>119383516
>Bond being really good at his job doesn't make him a Gary Stu.
No, but Bond getting the job done and getting the girl every time with swagger and no sort of meaningful conflict to his character beyond risk of his life is Gary Stu.
People shit on Craig's Bond all the time, but let's be real - he's probably the most nuanced Bond yet and not just a walking stereotype.
>>119383523
There's 2 more volumes, no? Plenty of time to wrap up loose plot threads are build up romance with X character. Hell, progress wasn't made with Yukino until literally this volume.
>>119383523
No there's a way to prove her feelings for him.
>>119383588
>being this delusional
Yeah, right.
>>119383647
>implying its not more delusional to think he'll pick Yukino or Yui
>>119378171
You want to self-insert yourself as a loser with no friends, who has just started having women take notice of him, and he has the balls to mouth off to anyone.
Dream a little bigger anon
See>>119380067
>not giving a fuck what anyone else thinks of you is a Gary Stu
Literally kill yourselves if that's your main argument.
>>119383588
Somebody other than Yukino might have had a chance before volume 10, but now you'd have to be as dense as the average harem MC not to see where this is going.
>>119383281
how?
A gary stu would resolve the whole thing without saying a word. just being himself, loved by everyone and with no repecursions in the end..
>>119383703
>implying he will end up with someone at all for that matter
>>119380067
some one needs to post the jesus ED
>>119383281
>8man bullshitting around
>he took that seriously
>>119383707
There are people who don't give a fuck what others think about them, but none of them are lonely virgins.
Hachiman is a Gary Stu because he's an outcast like the audience is, but unlike them, he doesn't worry about what other people think and doesn't make a fool of himself. Meanwhile, he lives in a world where it's the popular, attractive people who are always saying dumb things, while he just sighs and shakes his head.
>>119383703
The problem is you think a girl who has two volumes of focus is going to win over Yukino or Yui who had been present since volume 1.
It's more probable that he'll end with either of the two or friendship end than with a girl who was introduced near the end of the story. Who's delusional now?
>>119382051
Animeoyfag or LN reader?
In the anime, I admit that he does appear Stuish.
However, in the light novel he is characterized as a emotionally and socially crippled teenager whose only goal is to make his sister happy.
He cares for nothing else and a lot of other characters who have some idea of the extent of his abilities either fear him, hate him or love him.
He is overpowered and that is irritating at times however it makes sense since he was created that way through genetics and upbringing.
I find it hard to consider him a perfect character who everyone loves and nothing can go wrong for in light of those circumstances.
>>119383822
Just you wait
>>119383807
I'm exactly one of them. And I choose to live that way. So you're wrong.
>>119383625
>Hell, progress wasn't made with Yukino until literally this volume
Maybe as a romantic relationship, but his development with Yukino as a friend has been developed since volume 1. Remember the cultural festival?
>>119383707
>>119383909
Don't get me wrong. If she had been a main character from the beginning, I'd be okay with her end, but she's not the focus of the story. Hachiman and Yukino are.
Considering that Yukino still has her final arc to go, it's a no brainer at this point.
>>119383911
I don't know you personally, but I don't you're as detached as Hachiman, and you probably make a fool of yourself much more often.
What would make an MC in haremshit a Mary Sue?
>>119382653
He has a pretty pathetic personality at start but what he did later on was extraordinary though. Maybe not that high but the works he has done in Service club were certainly more than what your average high school student would have done, in both their own life or in 8man position
The girl with "Y" in her name is going to end up with the guy with an "H" in their name. The question is who's who.
>>119383975
>Not the main focal point
>Gets more time in the novels than Yui does at this point
>>119383994
The point is that there is nothing unbelievable in not caring about what others think of you. There is no reason whatsoever unless you're a little bitch who needs to be loved by everyone.
>>119383994
>doesn't know that anon enough to make a judgment
>apparently knows enough about Hachiman to generalize his character into a Gary Stu from a butchered adaption
Is this autist for real?
>>119383961
Is manwhore supposed to be an insult?
>>119383281
It doesn't mean that's true. He believes his own bullshit about not having to talk to people when in reality he's actually just too much of an autist to communicate like a normal person.
>>119383961
Ken reached his goal of creating a harem and even got a new cast on board with it in the sequel LN. He's also just an entertaining likable guy with his own issues each of the girls he knew first helped him get through.
The harem king himself easily crushes that chart.
>>119384056
It's pretty unrealistic unless you're a successful normalfag. Losers can't be as cool as Hachiman.
>>119384112
Yes. What mainstream hero can you think of that's a manwhore? People with values don't like sluts.
>taking 8man's bullshit at face value
Can't wait for S2. There will be a lot of self-insert fags that will be crying that '8man has turned into a normalfag'.
>>119384237
Other anons already mentioned him. James Bond.
>>119384237
>men can be sluts
That's rich. Actually, it's too stupid to even be remotely funny.
>>119384237
theres fernando
>>119384022
>implying Yui isn't going to be a large presence in the Yukino arc
Nigga plsWell actually, I'm not too sure either.
>>119384237
is there a difference between a manwhore and a womanizer?
>>119383994
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope
>>119384382
Manwhore sounds like a moralfaggot term, so I dismiss it.
>>119384382
A manwhore is like a college kid who just goes and sleeps with drunk college chicks at parties.
A womanizer is someone who is actually able to seduce women, often by suggesting to them that the relationship will be more than physical.Both are sluts.
>>119384382
They both mean the same damn thing, it's just a matter of connotation.
Man sleeps with a lot of girls + I DO like him = womanizer
Mans sleeps with a lof of girls + I DON'T like him = manwhore
Hachiman is a real loser here's why and my points are, more blunt and real than anyone else alright.
>8man is so slef centered
>he is a dick to people even if he knows them
>he's an immoral twit who likes his sister a bit to much I say
>so fucking deep with his philosophical views on things and their his views are negitive hlaf the time
>is a terribale fucking flirt with girls
>lazy bum
>talks to himself way to much
>likes boys with small penisis who look like girls
>used to be an otaku
>nobody likes him even if he doesn't say anything
>to cocky at times
>try's at times to play bad guy and good guy
>virgin
What else needs to be said I respect him but he try's so hard not to fit in for what purpose. He's clearly a gary stu folks prove me wrong. And someone stop 8man he's just making himself look like a fool.
>>119384440
>>119384413
A womanizer is someone who takes advantage of women. A manwhore is just someone who sleeps around.
All womanizers are manwhores, but not all manwhores are womanizers.
>>119384493
Then what is a boy who actually works to get his harem to love him rather than bother with retarded "who's gonna win" shit?
>>119384539
Ken sugisaki
>>119384493
So sleeping around with a bunch of women isn't taking advantage of women?
Sounds like the patriarchy's rape culture has you good, you white cis scum
Has Hachiman managed to make a single "friend" yet?
I stopped reading a while back to wait for the translations to progress.
>>119384457
>>8man is so slef centered
Most Gary Stus are.
>>he is a dick to people even if he knows them
Most Gary Stus are. Think Mr. Darcy.
>>he's an immoral twit who likes his sister a bit to much I say
Otaku love wincest.
>>so fucking deep with his philosophical views on things and their his views are negitive hlaf the time
He sounds like an autist to normal people, but losers think he's an intellectual.
>>is a terribale fucking flirt with girls
He's not that terrible. He doesn't come off as a creeper. Girls still like him.
>>lazy bum
Positive trait to hikkis.
>>talks to himself way to much
Positive trait to hikkis.
>>used to be an otaku
Positive trait to target audience.
>>nobody likes him even if he doesn't say anything
Right, he's the outsider. He doesn't need their normalfag approval.
>>to cocky at times
That's a very positive trait for most people in general.
>>try's at times to play bad guy and good guy
Lots of Gary Stus are like this. Think James Bond.
>>virgin
Right, but he doesn't care that he's a virgin. That's why they love him.
>>119384590
>So sleeping around with a bunch of women isn't taking advantage of women?
Not if they're just looking for a quick fling, too. The concept of a womanizer comes from the idea that men just want sex, but women want commitment. That isn't true all the time.
>>119384599
I like your answers great points.
>>119380363
If you notice, the guy does care. However he justifies his loneliness as just something that is, something that can't be changed. He takes "pride" in it because he's grown to see no other way he can live his high school life. It's hopelessness and delusion at the fact that he can't change his situation, so he tries to take "pride" in it so it doesn't hurt.
>>119384599
Why is this guy trying so hard?
>>119384590
No? Because they can just be looking to get pounded. It's beneficial for both if them.
>>119384585
Someone tried to tell me once that /a/ would one day be so shit, retards would try to argue that anyone who ever achieves harem end is a Gary Stu. Bullshit.
>>119384833
m8 you prob weren't in the 400+ reply thread earlier where this guy was spouting the same nonsense.
This guy is literally autism incarnate, he's trying to project his loser qualitites on all of /a/ so hard to back his argument.
>>119384638
>>119384864
>thinking my post was serious
I even used the P word.
>>119382653
He's a pathetic guy, but at the same time he's a good guy. Like he comes through for people despite complaining all the way, like Zaimokuza. He looks down on people not because he truly believes his way of life is great, but rather to grant himself the delusion that his life is fine, that it's fine to be alone and isolated. All of his smugness and general being an asshole is pretty much coping with his belief that things can't change for the better, that it's fine for everything to stay the way they are.
>>119384901
No, I was. As a LN reader, his arguments don't make any sense.
It's kind of funny though, hope he keeps going.
>>119384905
I thought cisshit would be enough to give away the joke seeing as they didn't even tell you to fuck off back to tumblr.
>>119384803
Yeah, but there's a big difference between having a secret desire deep down inside you that doesn't affect how you act, and having a desperate longing that colors everything you do.
If no one bothered Hachiman, he'd keep to himself. He may actually want to be normal somewhere deep inside him, but it's a small thing he keeps under wraps.
Compare that to most social anxious weirdos, who can't stop thinking about other people, even though they wish they could.
>>119384901
>400+ reply thread
Anon, that thread got to 600+ replies.
>>119384899
>Trusting on /a/
Why would you do that?
>>119384994
That's the thing, he does constantly think about other people, deriding their lifestyle as meaningless and fleeting. It's pure jealousy at the fact they can live fulfilling school lives, the fact they can have the wonderful school life while he's stuck being alone and a loser. It colors his essays, his view on life, self justification to keep up the pretense of happiness.
>>119380067
he is the best though
just the best
Is Casshern from Casshern Sins a gary stu?
>>119382453
>omg hachiman is so cool, everything he says is true XD
He is arguably an entertaining character but he's not worth all the cancer he brought into this world.
Kenshi is a ridiculous Gary Stu if you don't know any more context than the anime you see him in.
>>119385138
are you saying anyone who derides others lifestyles as meaningless and fleeting is inherently jealous?
Type Moon MCs are Mary Sues. Ordinary high school students is actually super special unique snowflakes that can beat up legendary/mythical creatures without real training? Sues
>>119385281
Considering how 8man obsesses over it, I would say so.
>>119383807
You have been saying this same fucking garbage since yesterday. Stop.
Not giving a fuck does not make a character a gary stu, and it doesn't even APPLY to hachiman because he DOES give a fuck but is too much of a fucking basket case and will always rationalize away that he doesn't care.
>>119383704
>You want to self-insert yourself as a loser with no friends, who has just started having women take notice of him, and he has the balls to mouth off to anyone.
No, but i'm sure most of /a/ does
>>119383704
>See>>119380067
no
he's shit
>>119381421
Why? if everybody here says having severe social flaws disqualifies you from being a Gary Stu, then Sora is even more flawed than 8man in that concept.
>But he always wins
So, Oliver Atom is a Gary Stu? It's not his victory alone, most of the time Shiro is the one who does most of the work.
8man is a hero.
>>119385875
key word here is "severe"
>>119382472
tinker tialor soldier spy sequel when
>>119385875
I would say that Sora is more perfect in the sense that none of his actions have ever had negative consequences, while a lot of 8man's do.
moot, please make a banner of 8man being a Gary Stu.
>>119383902
>However, in the light novel he is characterized as a emotionally and socially crippled teenager whose only goal is to make his sister happy.
Uh, no.
He is characterized as a robot whose only goal is to make his sister happy.
>He cares for nothing else and a lot of other characters who have some idea of the extent of his abilities either fear him, hate him or love him.
Everyone is always in awe over how awesome he is or love him. Anyone who DOESN'T is usually either a bad guy, or is proven wrong and they begin to love him soon anyways.
>I find it hard to consider him a perfect character who everyone loves and nothing can go wrong for in light of those circumstances.
He's a Stu. Anyone who's good or matters loves him and rarely does anything actually go wrong for him. Keep in mind that he doesn't give a fuck about his 'tragic' situation, so the viewer/reader wouldn't either.
>>119385985
pls no.
For better or worse, that'd inflate the faggot autis's ego so much.
We're all Gary Stus here.
>>119385228
>more context
Like what? him being the distant relative of the strongest being in the universe? or his sisters trained him to be a super capable guy? That doesn't change the fact that he is a Gary Stu though.I still like him regardless
>>119381421
>Kirito
>Gary Stu
He's that autist that spends thousands of hours in his MMO and absolutely destroys everyone at it through a combination of dedication and skill. There's nothing stu about him.
>>119386044
Why do you even care that much about someone's opinion of your self-insert? Grow up, christ.
>>119385138
It's not pure jealousy. It's maybe 20 proof jealousy at most.
>>119385899
Yes, and? Sora's flaws are even more severe than 8man's. 8man doesn't need his sister to go with him everywhere or gets a nervous attack
>>119385969
In the LN there was already a case where Shiro pointed out his plan was wrong and Izuna's father ended as a captive as a consequence.
>>119382453
the fuck nigga? i love 8man simply because of his character, simple as that, no morals and belief here.
>>119385358
>Not giving a fuck does not make a character a gary stu
You've been saying this same fucking garbage since yesterday. Stop.
No one said not giving a fuck makes you a Gary Stu. Being an otakubait loser and not giving a fuck does make you a Gary Stu, however.
>>119386153
Like being the son of one of the three artificial people or whatever they were called from that world and being trained form birth specifically for the purpose of being sent to the world to accomplish what his mother was supposed to do, not just to be a super capable guy.
He was just capable of doing what he did, he was made specifically to do it. His entire existence up to the end of Isekai is defined by it.
>>119386305
>He was just capable
He wasn't just capable*
>>119385161
Ask and ye shall receive.
>>119383625
>he's probably the most nuanced Bond yet and not just a walking stereotype.
It's also boring and generic run of the mill gritty action flick
>>119386215
>implying I give a shit about the opinion of an autistic animeonly fag
Tripfags are annoying and the last thing we need is some autist getting more attention than he deserves by giving him a banner as suggested by the previous anon.No fun allowed.
>>119386465
That transition to Jesus gets me every time; the only good thing to come out of this shit show.
>>119386466
Which one? QoS was all sorts of shit, but I wouldn't call it a generic action flick.
>>119386044
But what written here and the last thread deserves to be in the history book.
A banner will remind us not to get tick off in Gary Stu thread.
is Saitama a gary stu?
Don't think anyone beats Onii-sama in terms of Gary Stu. Literally able to do whatever the plot demands him to do -- martial arts? speed shooting? wallhack? invent levitation? be a great brother? nuke things at a distance? yet still somehow have time to hang out with friends? well you got it, Onii-sama does it all.
>>119386904
a meme gary stu.
worst fanbase ever.
>>119384597
Translations already caught up, last year actually
>>119386904
He's the worst kind of Stu.
>>119386905
The sad thing is, you have people defending him because he's a robot.
Season 2 Yahari bitching isn't going to be plesant
>>119386904
No, the entire plot is that he is overpowered, no one's pretending otherwise. A Gary Stu has the author pretending that his power and abilities are justified.
is inaho a gary stu if he died
>>119386905
can he make spice and wolf season 3?
>>119383807
Hachiman says dumb shit that makes people cringe a fair bit, you spastic.
>>119387183
He's Jesus, not God.
>>119387104
Hopefully the shitposters stay away from volume 11 threads.
>>119387236
![[Vivid] Amagi Brilliant Park - 01 [3AEAF3B3].mkv_snapshot_20.52_[2014.10.06_23.54.16].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ED3XH5n.jpg "[Vivid] Amagi Brilliant Park - 01 [3AEAF3B3].mkv_snapshot_20.52_[2014.10.06_23.54.16].jpg")
>>119378171
It's easy to tell a Gary Stu by how much his fanboys deny he's a Gary Stu.
>>119387104
It's also going to be nothing like the first season, no Batman memes for you.
>>119387140
How is that different from Mahouka, Hagure Yuusha or NGNL? All of them revolve precisely about their MC's being overpowered.
>>119387345
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/bandwagon/
>>119387354
I'm pretty sure people are going to bitch a lot about it becoming Haremshit cause of Iroha and how 8man changes.
>>119387443
I know I did. I'm still reading the LNs, but I'm not digging this new love triangle shit. Feels really bland after reading WA2.
>>119386041
Most of his family hates his guts or is scared of him. His cousins' father wants to lock him away in the basement. His aunt wants to control and constrain him. His military group view as a tool rather than a person. He can't give a shit about anything other than his sister. He is born and raised as a weapon and he will remain as one until his death. Also he is not the most powerful person in his world. He nearly got his ass kicked by an American the same age as him. He is not the smartest. A guy at another high school is. He is not the best at martial arts. His sensei is.
I can't view him as a stew in light of those facts.
>>119387364
Because Saitama is a joke, he exists for comedy and not to be jerked off by the author.
>>119387328
>tfw Amagi even have a Mary Sue
>>119381855
sasuga oni sama,
your greatness far surpasses mere cropping
>>119387607
Most of his family are traditional pompous assholes. The military is the typical animu military.
>He can't give a shit about anything other than his sister.
Not a bad thing.
>He is born and raised as a weapon and he will remain as one until his death.
Also not a bad thing considering he the sheath for his sister.
>Also he is not the most powerful person in his world.
He's powerful enough and when he loses, he's holding back.
>I can't view him as a stew in light of those facts.
Then you'd be right at home reading fanfics written by 12 year old girls where the Sues aren't Sues because of superficial negatives.
>Tfw I never once did care about this self insert bullshit
I find Hachiman to be an amusing character, that's it. Truth be told I love Yukinoshita more. The conversations between them I find enjoyable.
>>119386041
Well Morisaki, Shippou, Ichijou and George don't particularly love him and still want to win against him even if they respect him. The one also wants to get in the imouto's panties so he can't outwardly show his distaste too much. Though if you can name the only people who dislike him versus the huge cast of characters who like him it's proving the stu point.
>>119387177
He lives though so there you go.
>>119387765
Self-insert fags are the worst thing about the series. People don't realize the story's about him growing out of his pretentious phase along with Yukino.
Reading through the thread, according that anon description of Gary Stu, is Kurosawa also a Gary Stu?
Pro tip:
A character that reminds you of yourself by virtue of what a sad sack of shit he is (i.e. 8man, Shinji) is not a self-insert.
A self-insert is a character that has functionally no personality, allowing you to project yourself onto them.
![[HorribleSubs] Mahouka - 03 [720p].mkv_snapshot_10.47_[2014.04.19_16.00.18].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FfBr2Id.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Mahouka - 03 [720p].mkv_snapshot_10.47_[2014.04.19_16.00.18].jpg")
>>119388047
>A self-insert is a character that has functionally no personality
>>119388047
By word of god, Shinji was specifically made to depict the average otaku teenager. You can't get any more self insert than that.
>>119387607
You also forgot that he's just average looking.
Lina conveniently loses because she starts getting wet for him and is too naive for a soldier. Masaki loses because he freaks out he kills him and stops in his tracks. George only discovered 1 cardinal code when Tatsuya's ES is hinted to be able to uncover all 13 easily. Maya was supposed to be stronger than Tatsuya but he beats her anyway. I find it hard to see the sympathy when Tatsuya's supposed flaws and BS abilities actually make him more efficient and badass. Everyone else looks stupid for having emotions and not being robots. If anything the story glorifies Tatsuya as a robot.
>>119388201
Onii sama is too boring for me.
>>119388249
>BS abilities
Every time. Sasuga Tsutomu for that unintended pun.
>>119388215
You're a fucking idiot.
Shinji depicts the average otaku teenager in order to criticize the average otaku teenager. Not as an empty vessel for wish fulfillment fantasies.
>>119388047
>A self-insert is a character that has functionally no personality, allowing you to project yourself onto them.
Utter bullshit.
A self-insert is a character who is written in a way that the audience can identify with him.
Hachiman is the perfect self-insert for the target audience. Why do you think derail threads about the show into blogfests? It's because so many people on /a/ identify with him. He's the perfect self-insert.
>>119388252
Yet his fanboys defend him to no end. All characters that don't suck his dick are hated by the rabid fanbase. Mari, Sayaka and Kanon have been called sluts and used goods simply because they aren't Tatsuya's haremettes and have other boyfriends.
>>119388348
It's great really. Sometimes I wonder if it really isn't intended to be a parody.
>>119388371
>A self-insert is a character who is written in a way that the audience can identify with him.
So you're saying that any character that the audience can empathize with is a self-insert?
Wow, thanks for enlightening me /a/. I had no idea that trying to illicit an emotional connection between the audience and the protagonist was bad writing and something to be avoided.
Jesus Christ, this board is filled with teenagers. Fucking kill yourself.
>>119388482
>illicit
elicit*
>This thread
How can people keep answering to this guy? It's hilarious.
>>119388371
Self-insert fags are cancer. What else is new?
That shouldn't detract you from the character itself since he's actually worth following.
>>119388249
>Just average looking
>But tons of bitches want my dick
>Just of average intelligence
>But still a pioneer in magic and engineering technology
>Mediocre magician
>Except with a unique specialization that makes me terrifyingly deadly
>Just a tool, a weapon, a robot
>But that makes me into an efficient killing machine
>No emotions
>Except emotions conveniently related to my sister so I can protect her
>No sense of self
>But I don't give a shit
It makes me wonder when the author is going to flat out say, "HE'S NOT A GARY STU".
>>119388370
You're a fucking idiot.
I never said he was a wish fulfillment fantasy. Not every self insert is a wish fulfillment fantasy. Those who are both things are Mary sue's. Shinji is the first one but not the other one.
>>119388371
I agree, Hachiman is a perfect Gary Stu for otaku and other social outcasts. He is basically how they want to be perceived by environment and the so called 'flaws' (their main defense) of his are there to allow those sad individuals to identify with him easier.
In real life otaku losers are much more similar to Shinji but notice that they are unable to identify with him, because he has flaws they are unable to accept as theirs.
This whole thing is obviously self-defense mechanism.
>>119388047
I consider a self-insert any character that the audience lives vicariously through to get something they want. So any harem MC is a self-insert.
>>119388547
>No sense of self
>But I don't give a shit
This is perfect for cynical otaku and pathetic losers who fail at life.10/10 would self-insert into.
>>119388617
So in other words, you're spewing the same shit as >>119388371, and making the ridiculous claim that a protagonist whom the audience can identify with is somehow a bad thing.
Choke on your own dick and your shitty buzzwords and die, you pretentious little shit. You can't even grasp the basic fundamentals of storytelling.
>>119388687
>I agree, Hachiman is a perfect Gary Stu for otaku and other social outcasts
God, why do we have these kind of special retarded people here?
Gary stu is someone perfect, charismatic, it has nothing to do to a character being relatable or sympathized with.
God fucking damn, too many retards here.
