>caster flashback
Based Ufo
>>118971448
That is probably her original Master. There is a mobile tray, a summoning circle and he is wearing modern clothes.
>>118971495
I really wonder who her original master was
>>118971495
this
>>118971912
There is a bit about him in the VN, but here they will probably give him more personality.
Did he summon her using a dry piece of shit?
I have to wonder what kind of person even wants to summon Medea. She isn't even technically a heroic spirit so it had to be pretty deliberate to summon her
>>118972934
A retard.
I mean the name "Witch of Betrayal" should tip people off.
Are we not past the point where we had the Caster flashback? Does that mean there is still hope of seeing Kuzuki bone Medea?
>>118972934
Plot Twist: The Einzbern plan B was to make the same shit that in the 4HGW
But they fucked it up, like always
>>118972969
>>118972934
Maybe he intended to summon Jason.
>>118972934
Look ay the image. The summoning Catalyst is the Golden Fleece.
The type of person who summons Medea is the type who was trying to summon Jason.
>>118973026
We always say how he was the worst Master ever, including Gordes.
But when you think about it, it can't be pleasant to summon by mistake someone with the nickname Witch of Betrayal as your Servant.
>>118973089
Just imagine how INCREDIBLY pissy she would have been when she realized he'd summoned her by mistake, and had actually wanted the guy who ruined her life.
>>118973024
>>118973089
>>118973089
>>118973172
Why Jason? They were superior Argonauts and other Greek heroes worth summoning compared to Jason.
Even someone from the Trojan War would have been better,
>>118973205
Because he was a crafty motherfucker. He was probably trying to summon Brains over Brawn.
whats with all those people in the back?
>>118973277
Mages are rich usually so they could be anything from his harem of prostitutes to the owners of the shrine hes renting.
>>118973089
>worst Master ever, including Gordes.
No
>>118971495
>skinny guy
her original master was a fat bastard though
Hard of soft /a/?
>>118973233
He really wasn't. Most of his accomplishments were because of Medea either telling him what to do or literally dong it for him.
If you want crafty you go for Perseus or Odysseus.
>>118973277
>>118973371
The people in the back don't look alive and look more like Greek statues, though
>>118973498
If he was good at taking orders he would be like the ideal servant really.
>>118973205
I can't imagine Jason not having the Argo as his NP, and that must surely be good.
Plus, the winged ram of the Golden Fleece is the one that became the Aries constellation, and the fleece itself a tribute to Ares, so you could easily get creative there when making an NP.
>>118973467
From where did you get this information?
>>118973498
>Perseus
>crafty
"Gee, all these ultra powerful magical items the gods gave me sure make me feel intelligent"
Odysseus and Herakles or bust
>>118973026
>>118973089
The anime is changing things.
Medea was summoned using Colchis literature, and there's no one else who could be summoned using that. She was summoned because of her power as a mage.
>>118974264
Good point, there's a good chance he would have some great NPs. I'd imagine him being formidable if summoned as a Rider.
>>118974440
Or it's a flashback to Medea's past
>>118974550
No way. The guy's clothes are too modern and there's a summoning circle.
>>118974375
Perseus was a goddamn munchkin. Proof that the loot system in Ancient Greece was fucking broken.
>>118974493
>summoned as a Rider
>people expect him to be on a horse or chariot
>instead summons a fucking ship
>>118974622
Yes just how Archer's enemies come from the past
>>118973000
That happens in HF.
>>118974749
No it doesn't. It happens between the betrayal and Gil vs Herc.
>>118974749
Are you retarded?
so lancer. and medusa past only appears in FHA?
>>118971448
>2014+1
>not summoning Big J
>summoning his fake wife
>>118974709
>>118974881
Who did Rin wanted to Summon anyways? I dont think her red crystal is any relic or atleast i dont know any myth with it.
>>118974934
Any Saber
>>118974934
Nobody in particular. Rin decided to wing it without a Catalyst, but didn't realize her pendant was itself a Catalyst.
She had the Snake Skin, if she'd used that she could have summoned Gil. Which would be amazingly enjoyable, since Servants are only a copy of the true Heroic Spirit, having two of the same Servant around should be possible.
I bet Gil would hate himself.
>>118974989
How much bareback fucking would there be if the two Gils met one another?
>>118975030
They would HATE each other. Imagine them arguing over which one is the fake.
>>118974989
Rin could get child Gil, who will follow her orders and will not fuck around unlike his older self.
>>118974989
Zero Gil would destroy the new Gil.
>>118975067
I'd rather get wise-king oldfag Gil
>>118974440
The guy must have been stupid or ignorant. There are a bunch of magically gifted women in Greek mythology, and Medea's magical feats really are not very impressive in that context. Summoning her primarily for her prowess as a sorceress is just a bad idea.
> pick your servant by using a catalyst
> If you don't pick a servant it automatically assigns a good match for you, even if it isn't a real person or never was
Why would you ever want to use a catalyst? If Kiritsugu got someone who was like him in mind he would have crushed everyone in the previous war.
About the only case I can see for a purposeful summoning of a specific servant is Cu and Bazett, and we all know how that turned out.
>>118975271
Because maybe you're like Shakespeare.
Good luck with that.
>>118975271
It's probably because everyone is a try hard that only wants to win without having fun. We all saw Zero Caster and how KUURU that motherfucker was, imagine how good a war full of assignments like him would be.
>>118975271
What happens if it turns out you're like Aquaman? I hope you have an undersea base.
>>118975262
well also its what myth you can get in the first place, maybe hers was for sale or just found it first?Nasu just loves her tragic story and thats the real reason
>>118975271
Most Magi are backstabbing pricks. How well do you think it would turn out for them if they summoned a Servant with a similar personality?
>>118975305
A lot of Magi might be compatible with Shakespeare.
Wanting to remain in the sidelines and create the epitome of his Art.
>>118973026
>The summoning Catalyst is the Golden Fleece.
>has the golden fleece
>even needs a servant to rape everything
shit is like the rarest item of all rare items of all mythology
had to do some nasty shit to earn that title
>>118975271
Because good match does not equal good servant. He could try to wing it and get a shitty one or he could accept the gift and summon King Arthur with Excalibur, almost guaranteed saber class servant which everyone thinks is the best. He didn't know that King Arthur was a stubborn little girl.
>>118975142
What about CCC Gil?
>>118975271
If you wing it and don't use a catalyst, you could get fucking anyone who is like you. That could mean anything really, which could result in a high chance of someone who is shit.
When other people in the war are able to get catalysts for specific heroes they want, then do you really want to rely on blind luck just on the promise of them having a compatible personality?
>>118975433
Still an asshole.
>>118975271
Sometimes people want control over their servants. A known factor in servant summoning is preferred to a random summon for most magi because they can know their strengths/weakness.
>>118974493
Would he get the teeth that summon soldiers, and the pebble that sends everyone into a berserker rage? And what properties does the Argo and the Golden Fleece have? And does he get the Argonauts as summons, or are they disqualified on account of the number if them who are Heroic Spirits themselves?
>>118975462
Also, having a compatible personality with some of the greatest heroes would be incredibly rare.
You're more likely to get a weak one, I'd wager.
>>118975462
It has to be someone who's registered in the throne of heroes though doesn't it?
I wish I could summon a servant without a catalyst and get my waifu ;_;
>>118975262
Unless he knew about the corruption of the grail, the grail was believed to be unable to summon evil or bad spirits. The whole Angra Mainyu thing kinda fucked that though, which is why Medea became eligible. Not sure if the fact it could summon "evil" or not good spirits was common knowledge or not.
>>118975397
As long as their goals were roughly in line it would probably be alright.
>>118975430
It seems obvious to a truly knowledgable master (of which there obviously weren't many as the nature of the grail was fairly nebulous) that a servant capable of working with you would be better than a demigod who would backstab you. A rebellious servant is going to be trouble and eat command seals, and you have to keep at least one to get the servant to kill itself at the end. That said, Magi are pretty fucking dumb in universe and do some stupid shit. I don't like that excuse, but canonically you make a lot of sense, nasuverse magi do dumb shit like that just to stand out, and take the hardest route to the simplest ends.
>>118975462
Well based on personality Shirou for example would have good chances to get either Saibah or Siegfried
>>118975433
>AUO Cast-Off
>>118975519
You're waifu is more compatible with me, dork.
>>118971448
This was the best episode of the season. I wish the rest of the episodes had built tension like this.
>>118975546
>As long as their goals were roughly in line it would probably be alright.
>Gambling your life on it "probably being alright" in the off chance you get a Servant that isn't shit
>>118971448
CASTER PLEASES HIS MASTER FOR... freedom?
>>118975516
> Emiya has shit tier stats
> UBW and broken phantasm are literally the most broken fucking shit and can counter anything up to and including Gate of Babylon
extreme example, but still. Even a weak servant has their pluses if you play to their strengths, and Emiya's projection skills, even as a nameless servant who therefore had little power of his own, made him capable of going toe to toe with pretty much everyone.
>>118975573
In my headcanon she's my destined soulmate. My love will retcon history!
>>118973026
Medea a shit.
>>118975551
>Shirou summons without a catalyst
>The grail uses his body as a Catalyst and gets Archer
>>118975476
>picking a wrong choice just leads to him fucking killing you
That was a pretty great part of that game
>>118975597
>he can project stats
retardest shit ever lmao
he was supposed to be a regular human
>>118975504
The Argo's prow speaks prophecies, the ship itself was built with the help of Athena, and some say it's the first greek war galley.
It also became a constellation, so maybe it can fly?
The fleece was for the God of War, and the Winged Ram probably a Phantasmal Beast, so it could be an NP like Karna's armor.
>>118975629
>Implying
If the Catalyst is a Sword, you should obviously get a Saber.
>>118975271
You never know what kind of servant you get till you summon them. Picking out a catalyst at least guarantees a strong servant even if they might not be compatible with you, personality or otherwise.
In all honesty i would wing it and rather work with someone i can agree with but it is tempting to summon heroes like Houyi who shot down suns with a normal bow or the user of Tyrfing who as killed so many man that the bodies of the numerous warriors choke the rivers, causing a flood which filled the valleys with dead men and horses.
The Redman must be someone from middle eastern judging his tan. Mehmed the II maybe?
>>118975271
I'll just summon Sir Gawain and win the entire war.
>>118975692
>Picking out a catalyst at least guarantees a strong servant even if they might not be compatible with you, personality or otherwise.
Only if it's a strong catalyst.
Best bet is still something like what Kairi used to summon Mordred in Apocrypha.
>>118975651
Shirou is always the lowest tier on the ladder.
>>118975752
He would surrender to Illya the moment he laid eyes on her.
>>118975757
You mean something which is tied to a lot of Heroes, so your character might play a chance in the summoning and get you a compatible one?
In that case, the Golden Fleece is not bad.
>>118975752
Green Knight lost a lot in his stories.
>>118975752
>The war takes place during the night
Gawain pls
>>118975801
What if you summonKratos?
He killedliteral gods
>>118975839
What the fuck is his NP, quick time events?
>>118975839
Fuck off.
>>118975719
Are you talking about Archer?
>>118975519
What is the likelihood of actually getting a waifu tier female servant that would actually like you?
Rider and Caster are at least nice to the people they like. Saber too.
>>118975787
>>118975813
>>118975833
>>118975839
That would beliterally ironicbecausegods can't be summoned in the Grail war
I AM a robot, by the way.
>>118975839
Then I'd summonAsuraand rape the shit out ofKratos.Dharmic/Vedic gods > Greek gods
>>118975752
Well the fights often occur during the night, so the pretty blonde boy would lose the biggest advantage he has.
>>118975923
isn't Herc a demigod?
>>118975895
>that would actually like you
You'd have to get someone with an obsessive personality that has no qualms about being summoned by a powerless human.
Literally the only servant we've seen like that is Gilles.
>>118975839
Only thing Kratos has done is as far as I'm aware is help bind a titan. Though I don't think hes even mortal so he'd be too divine to summon probably.
>>118975801
But would you actually have to use an authentic item for the catalyst or would something similar or related be able to substitute it. Like say a book or toy for instance.
Will using a story book give you a fictional hero just like kojiro? Might be interesting to see if you can summon people like Marco Polo or Scheherazade.
>>118975957
Robots have no gods, dude.
>>118975957
Herc was raised to a god after his death, but he was already in the Throne as a Heroic Spirit and Mortal before that. Basiclaly God Herc and Servant Herc are separate entities.
For the same reason, Thor can be summoned, and is in Prisma.
>>118975923
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Saver_%28Fate/Extra%29
Saver exist, although he is just a depowered figma. Same with Caster.
What's the name of the remix of the original F/SN OP used in the ending scene(s) of the latest episode? Is that song released yet?
>>118975998
Thor was never a human, you twit.
>>118975872
The square button.
>>118975895
What if I'm so incompatible with everyone else that the grail is forced to summon a perfect waifu for me as it's the only being in the universe that I'm compatible with?
>>118975998
Hercule was half-god son of Zeus. So he was a God.
>>118976031
No shit you dumb nigger, but we wasn't a full blooded Aesir. Hercules was half god, Gilgamesh is two thirds god, Thor was half god.
>>118976019
The Moon Cell has different rules
>>118976051
Half-gods aren't gods.
>>118976051
It's not hard, Anon.
HALF-God.
>>118975397
Conflicting personality have generated friction in the past, resulting in the master's and/or servants death.
Don't underestimate the benefits of getting along with the person to whom you're entrusting your life.
>hurt durr imma summon lu bu because fuck year dem stats
>what could possibly go wrong?
>>118976051
Not a full god. He was just strong and malicious like a god.
>>118976024
disillusion...or is it This illusion since the new credits have changed the name for it.
>>118975962
You could get someone like saber or pretty much anyone else obsessesd with honor or valor or whatever. Or a bro it up like Alexander and Waver. They wouldn't even care that you used all the command seals
>>118975504
>Noble Phantasm: Pebble
>Anti-army
>Outwardly unremarkable, when thrown at a group of enemies, it sends them into a berserker rage and compels them to fight amongst themselves over the Pebble until they have all perished. Once the Pebble is in effect, any individual who holds the Pebble will be singled out as the target of the cursed rage induced by the Pebble.
>>118976083
As long as the servant is indoctrinated enough and doesn't know the true nature of the gail and has a wish they want to fulfill there shouldn't be any problems.
>>118976063
>Son of Odin and Gaia
>half human
Just no.
>>118971448
so the master wanted to summon Jason, but he ended up summon Medea? and because of that, his master called her useless?
>>118976105
>>118976133
It's known he limits her abilities with a CS, so he probably became paranoid after summoning the Witch of Betrayal.
>>118976067
>>118976076
Half-god is still god. He has divinity. He was friends and fighting equally with Thanatos(greek god of death). Myth states when his mortal body died, he went and became full god.
>>118976085
Thanks anon but that's not the version used in the anime. It was some sort of dubstep remix I guess?
This episode made me trust Ufotable a bit more. We're getting more of Caster's backstory, Archer's past, and more original scenes. I just hope we get more Illya before her death.
>>118976128
>Being this retarded
>>118976103
>They wouldn't even care
You are so getting backstabbed.
You think Saber and Rider would've been okay with someone who just wanted to dick around? You're not as heroic as Shirou or as sincere as Waver.
>>118976169
Gil and Cu have divinity too. Only 100% Divine Spirits can't be summoned.
>>118976169
>Half-god is still god.
It isn't.
>He has divinity.
But not ENOUGH divinity.
>fighting equally with Thanatos
That just means he's freaking beefy.
>Myth states when his mortal body died, he went and became full god.
No, it said his soul split in half and one half went up to party on mount olympus and the other half went down to party in the elysian fields.
>>118976183
Might you be talking about the ZTS remix?
>>118976192
>hurr durr muh video game canon is real mythology
Just fuck off, you cunt.
Secondaryfag here.
Why was Rin so cold to Shirou when she obviously wanted the dick literally 20 minutes earlier?
I just saw episode 12 and seibah is so moe.
>>118976237
bitches be fickle
>>118976237
Because she didn't want him to get killed by doing something stupid.
Why can't Archer just trace Gil's key and use Gate of Babylon himself? That would solve a lot of problems.
>>118976237
it's just a facade, she wants to protect him
>>118976237
Because she doesn't want him to die
>>118976226
No, I'm talking about what literally was in Episode 12 at the ending credits, that started playing when Rin jumped from the roof. It's obviously an official remix.
>>118976128
>>Son of Odin and Gaia
You what. Thor's mother is Fjörgyn. (Who Fjörgyn is, however, is not clear.)
>>118976237
Because she doesn't want him to get killed
>>118976237
Rin sees Shirou is a liability without a servant. Shit has hit the fan and the last thing she wants is her sisters husbando to die because he's too stupid to see how bad the situation is.
>>118976279
This Illusion, Sung by LiSa.
>>118976278
>>118976277
>>118976258
>>118976257
Jesus christ. When will they finally fuck?
>>118976287
it's not like he'll die when he gets killed
>>118976229
Eat your own words, faggot. Thor was the son of Odin and a Giant. Giants were mortal, therefore his divinity is low enough to be summoned in the grail war.
>>118976237
She's a hot & cold character.
>>118976128
There's a reason Thor is designated as the protector of mankind, and it isn't because he likes hanging out with the avengers, anon.
>>118976285
>Who Fjörgyn is, however, is not clear.
The spirit of the earth, ie Gaia.
It is clear.
>>118976315
You mean when will Shirou assault Rins unprotected anus?
>>118976323
Dat giant pussy.
>>118976309
>This Illusion, Sung by LiSa
Thanks alot anon, unfortunately there's no official version out yet. Thanks anyway.
>>118976194
Well I would definitely not count on not getting my ass blown off the moment my command seals disappear, just saying that Gilles wasn't the only case where it worked out.
>>118976315
Well, the jackhammer happens at some point, not here though so enjoy your dolphins
>>118976316
doesn't he have caliburn inside of him or some shit?
>>118976272
key isn't sword
>>118976323
>>118976334
The stories actually say who or what Fjörgyn is.
One of those things that just wasn't written down.
Maybe a god? Maybe not? We just don't know.
The name means "earth" (as in soil), but that doesn't necessarily indicate a divine body representing earth, as the norse believed earth was just the remains of Ymir's body; it would have no being to represent it.
>>118976323
>Giants were mortal
>Surt
Almost the "immortal" gods you're talking about die anyway.
>>118976357
>not here though so enjoy your dolphins
Has it been confirmed yet?
>>118976359
Read the VN.
>>118976389No. {/spoiler]
>>118976359
that's gay as shit anon lmao
he has the sheath of excalibur not a sword up his anus
>>118976359
Avalon, which is useless right now as he isn't Saber's master anymore.
Damn, i really want a carnival phantasm with the zero cast.
>>118976237
Tsun(cold)-dere(warm)
>>118976406
I'm not sure why I double typed it
>>118976389
I don't know how to read.
>>118976385
Has what been confirmed? That there won't be sex scenes in a TV anime?
HF movie(s) might have fucking in it like KnK but I really doubt there'll be anything of the sort here.
>>118976272
He can trace the key no problem.
He can use his own GoB NP no problem.
It'll have shit power and no items, though.
>launches his car keys as a broken phantasm
>>118971448
More medea screentime = more of a chance they'll make a figure. Or so I hope.
One decent figure is all I ask for.
>>118976359
Excalibur's Sheath.
Its from the same person who avoids an avoidable blow.
So naturally, Shirou now doesn't die, even when he is killed.
>>118976237
that's tsun mode for you
>>118976433
What's wrong with implied sex? They did it in F/Z too.
>>118976416
Carnival episode where it's just a slice of life where Kiritsugu, Irisviel, Ilya and Shirou are a happy family when.
>The Witch of Betrayal will be defeated thanks to a betrayal
Thank you based Redman
>>118976469
kerry doesn't deserve happiness
>>118976467
The Gil/Kirei scene? That was symbolic, not implied.
>>118976467
well, dolphins was implied sex wasn't it?
I'm just saying you won't see any jackhammer action
>>118976469Prisma
>>118976469
I just want one CP episode of Tohno Family Con Game.
I don't think it's too much to ask.
The dialogue in this episode was fun, but it went full retard when Nasu's magic shenanigans started.
>>118976503
>>118976508
Did Kerry and the ninja woman (ffucks sake I am bad with names, Maya?) have sex and it was obvious as fuck?
>>118976514
Not enough Kiritsugu and Iris. At least not as far as I've seen anyway.
>>118976508
>jackhammer action
Wait and you think they will have this in the HF movie(s)?
>>118976491
>knows everything
>literally saw the future
>can't even win the war
>dies like a bitch
>>118976441
Why can't he just trace the entire armory then? It's not like it'll be hard for him. He could be a knockoff gil
>>118976556
No but i should have some more graphic sakura stuff, remember fujino?
>>118976562
WHY DOESN'T HE JUST TRACE GIL'S ARMOR???
>>118976542
That's not implied sex, you tard.
That's like saying that there was implied sex between the old Canadians since they mentioned having kids.
Yes, Maya and Kerry were having an affair.
>>118976559
>>can't even win the war
>>dies like a bitch
Not in this route
>>118976441
>He can trace the key no problem.
Can he? Isn't that some divine construct bullshit?
>>118976562
He can trace any one of them he sees. He doesn't have access to Gil's vault just by tracing the key.
And putting traced items into his own vault is functionally less than useless.
>>118976602
They were literally seen in bed after they fucked. Fuck off you piece of shit.
So the blue yatsu is Lu Bu, right?
>>118976469
Watch Prism Illya.
It's the happy ending spin-off.
>>118976637
So is Caladbolg and Gae Bolg and Rho Aias.
He can't trace Excalibur or Ea, though.
>>118976664
>being this fucking retarded
>being this butthurt
>being this ignorant of cinematic language
Those steamy scenes of the old Canadians sure rocked your mind, huh?
![[UTW]_Fate_Zero_-_03_[BD][h264-1080p_FLAC][A9CEF535].mkv_snapshot_16.12_[2014.10.24_23.44.26].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/l75YTHa.jpg "[UTW]_Fate_Zero_-_03_[BD][h264-1080p_FLAC][A9CEF535].mkv_snapshot_16.12_[2014.10.24_23.44.26].jpg")
>>118976542
Maiya. My favorite F/Z.
>tfw liking side characters
>>118976562
>Wanting GoB when UBW is better
>>118976581
Sex=/=Rape, They are going to go with fade to black with HF too.
>>118976678
He traced caliburn though which is even more ancient and old = better.
>>118976710
>gets disproven
>talks shit totally unrelated
kek
>>118976667
you called?
>>118976733
Hahaha, your asspain is enormous.
If you don't want to get told off for spouting off retarded posts, don't post.
Why is Spartacus the best Servant?
Is it the 8 tentacle-arms?
>>118976759
You're so mad right now.
>>118976667
He already showed his gay bulge in episode 1. It's not hard to figure out who he is by that alone.
>>118976743
If you chase him does he get stronger?
>>118976711
I want to be a teenage boy and I want Maiya to take advantage of me in a hotel room.
>>118976732
>caliburn though which is even more ancient
No it's not you retard.
Caliburn was forged by Merlin.
Excalibur was forged by the Fae at the beginning of the Earth.
>>118976743
Would pursue.
>>118976761
I want to protect that smile
>>118976732
Didn't he only trace it as Shirou and just because of the link between him and Saber though? I'm not really sure if he could pull that thing off as a red man with just ubw and no seiba.
If so then insert frodo.jpg and "Why doesn't he just shoot caliburns?"
>>118976779
>no u
Woah, slow down on those witty comebacks, cutie.
You literally can't be THIS buttflustered over your own ignorance, can you?
>>118976802
Still a strong sword because he can project Saber's stats when using it.
What kind of servant would Jesus Christ be summoned as? What would his NP be? Would he have a Reality marble?
I don't think I can wait till april for bone of my mojo
>>118976802
Wasn't it at the beginning of Mankind, since it carries the Hope of Man or whatever?
>>118976834
Fuck off.
Why didn't Kuzuki keep Medea as his sex slave?
She was perfectly submissive.
>>118976826
>offtopic
How can one be this mad about something that he has to avoid the topic
