You know 3.33 ending with all 3 main kids back together again.
It's a shame any potential is ruined by Rei being Rei Q.
Would have been so nice to see the 3 working as a team again.
To bad Rei is basically dead, Shinji has lost it, Wille is a bunch of cunts. When Asuka is the only sane person left standing, shits not good.
You meant ''sane''.
>>118015428
Least insane I guess.
Unless Kaji shows up finally.
>>118015320
>It's a shame any potential is ruined by Rei being Rei Q.
Pretty much.
That's intentional. Anno hates Rei, leaves his favorite character as the only "sane".
Shinji gets shat on because it's tradition.
What's a Rei Q?
>>118016072
It's what they used to ruin Rei in 3.33, a clone that's not Rei.
Keeps Rei from developing, and makes a mockery out of Rei III.
>>118016072
>>118016015
>Anno hates Rei
Is there anything that Anno doesn't hate aside from Asuka?
He hates Rei, he hates America, he hates otaku. What a spiteful bitch.
>>118016015
>Asuka
>Anno's favorite character
This isn't 2005, grandpa.
cluck
>>118016530
He doesn't hate otaku, he only hates otaku with different tastes than him apparently.
>>118015320
They will end up working together in some weird way in the finale. Rebuild is dumb like that. Shinji will pilot 01 and Rei spirit will guide/help and Asuka will also come and they'll kill Gendo or something shit. Or they'll but Rei 2 in Q or some other clone body since they have so many.
>>118016530
>Is there anything that Anno doesn't hate aside from Asuka?
He doesn't really hate otaku. He hates people who aren't otaku that hate on otaku. So yeah, he doesn't like normal people pretty much. What a fag.
>>118016543
If not favorite, then up there.
>>118016015
>>118016530
>>118016746
Why does everyone jump at the face value of what Anno and Asukafags say?
Anno has mentioned plenty of times before that he doesn't like things where he can see himself. It's been speculated that many of the NGE characters show different signs of how people handle social pressure/depression. Where Asuka represents overconfidence to hide her weaknesses, Rei may represent deadened emotions to cope with social pressures. Based on how Anno acts in everything he does, Rei may be a character he recognizes with but dislikes because it reminds him of his own weaknesses.
As gay as that sounds, it should make sense.
>>118018383
No, it doesn't make sense. That sounds retarded.
Anno says he has zero emotional attachment to Rei. Zero.
He doesn't like it being popular.
>It's been speculated that many of the NGE characters show different signs of how people handle social pressure/depression.
For Rebuild, they're obviously wrong.
>>118018383
It does. Thank you.
>>118018659
>He doesn't like it being popular.
Not only that, Rei wasn't meant to be popular to begin with. He fucked up in that regard. It's his fault.
Rei Q is a fresh take on the character, just like Shikinami is for Asuka. Why are Eva fans rejecting this? Insane.
>>118018796
>Not only that, Rei wasn't meant to be popular to begin with.
[Citation needed]
Now please explain how you aren't a retarded fucktard.
>>118018659
I didn't say anything about Rebuild you fucking spaz. Also, he has said that Rei reminds him of himself so you're the person who's wrong.
>>118018796
>It's his fault
Actually, it's yours.
>>118018813
It's a rotten take on the character, intentionally os.
>>118018796
>>118018852
A lot of characters can be related to in the series. I don't understand how someone wouldn't understand that and start yelling "don't like my things!"
>>118018383
I'll take what Anno admits to himself over that crazy fanwank you just posted any day. With good reason, why the hell should you believe crazy fanwank over the actual word the man you're discussing gives you.
The characters in NGE are all various facets of humanity. But in Rebuild, they don't have the characters to support being that, and they spend more time talking about what a character is through third person and non-characterizing displays, rather than letting it show itself.
In Rebuild, the characters are just made to tailor fit Anno's agenda of making his own favorites look better.
>>118018813
It's not a "fresh" take, it's a redundant take. It's not representative of the original, nor is it better or meaningful in any way either.
Shikinami is a flattering new version.
Rei Q is an insulting new version.
Anno says his favorite character is Asuka.
Anno says he doesn't like Rei.
Can you do the math, or are you going to let your fandom bias lead you into denial?
>>118018659
>zero emotional attachment
There's a difference between this and hating her.
>>118018852
Actually, no it's not. I'm not a fan of Rei. Didn't love her, didn't hate her.
>>118018846
>thinking it's wrong
>Anno: "The truth is, I have no emotional attachment to Rei at all."
He has never, ever said that Rei reminds him of himself. EVER. You're going to be arguing against me anyway because you're retarded.
At most, and I mean AT MOST, Anno said that Rei MIGHT be something in his subconscious.
>>118019083
>There's a difference between this and hating her.
It means he doesn't like Rei. Literally.
It's also something important to note the context. At that point, he was not being asked what he felt about Rei.
It's also the character which he is the only one to say he doesn't like being popular.
He hates Rei. You can see it in his words, and his works. Rei is the de facto worst treated major character after NGE/EoE.
>>118019021
>Anno says his favorite character is Asuka.
>Anno says he doesn't like Rei.
[citation needed]
I see people going on about this all the time but nobody ever proves its credibility.
>>118018383
>>118018796
Who let evageeks in?
Do you need to be liberated from your zany indoctrination or something?
Anno hates Rei for good reason: she came a doll for hugging, unlike Asuka who is respectable. She's boring, personality-less, pseudointellectual, and a doormat. Anno merely presented her in 3.0 the way Rei was in the hearts of her fans and they hated being confronted with the ugliness.
Asuka is vibrant, colorful, passionate, and tragic. She may be a little fanservicey in Rebuild but it captures all that is good about her.
>>118019021
Jesus christ. It was my speculation and you fucking sperged about it. I don't plan on or see myself sucking Anno's dick. I only marginally liked the rebuilds and can agree that they shit on NGE. I see a lot of Anno's personality in Rei. That's my speculation. Asuka is overconfident as a front to hide her emotions, Misato is irresponsible and promiscuous, Gendo uses cruel logic, and you could continue with almost all of the characters.
This isn't fan-wank. This is my speculation. If people share that, then that's great. If you don't, then continue being a spaz.
>>118019355
OK. There's an image version of this, which someone might post for you.
>Anno says his favorite character is Asuka.
Source:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020606012703/http://masterwork.animemedia.com/Evangelion/anno.html
>On his favorite Evangelion character...
>ANNO: Asuka , because she's cute.
>When told that the American audience favors Misato ...
>ANNO: I'm surprised. In Japan, the overwhelming favorite is Rei . They can't handle strong women such as Misato and Asuka .
Then the other one, and the above is proof he doesn't think of Rei as strong. (a negative thing)
>Anno says he doesn't like Rei.
Source:
http://www.gwern.net/otaku
>Anno: The truth is, I have no emotional attachment to her at all.
>Takekuma: Huh? Is that right?
>Anno: Yeah. I have no emotional attachment to her.
>>118019763
Your speculation (AKA fanwank) is inferior. Throw it away.
There are superior answers out today, answers that make more sense, that are more logical and considers the holistic existence of the Evangelion franchise.
Not that you don't have a correct observation in how their responses can be found in real life, but your speculation that it is the answer for how characters end up in Rebuild is is trash. It should be thrown away like trash, as it does not make sense.
I'm only countering you because you criticize people for taking what Anno says at "face value", when he is perfectly capable of giving his own opinion by his own, better than you are at "speculating".
Do you think he's lying? It's worth speculating, but then at least give some goddamned evidence.
>>118019678
Nah, if that was the truth then they'd feel at home with Rei Q. Which they don't.
Asuka isn't vibrant, colorful passionate or what her Rebuild equivalent is, competent and capable of self-insight. The original Asuka was a deteriorating human being who Asuka fans represent and replaced with a doll called Shikinami. A sex doll who despite being less popular generates more pornography and erotic fantasies among fans than other characters.
You have it the other way, anon. What you have is what Asuka fans told themselves to ease the pain of Rei being the more popular and more liked character in Evangelion, and the only character ever being credited as thought-provoking and even original.
Even if 3.0 breaks both character's quality, it did prove that Asuka fans don't care about the character as much as a lively sex fantasy, now with Yuri option, while Rei fans care about the entire character.
>>118016530
I can only picture him drinking sake in a bar drunk off his ass bitching about how much he misses Nadia
>>118019355
>>118019848
/r/ the image magazine version of the roundtable discussion
Some of you have to have it.
>>118020310
Not the guy you were responding to, but saying that all fans of Asuka do not care about the complete character is a gross generalization.
You wouldn't have the pockets of fans opposed to Shikinami that being the case.
>>118019848
>>118020635
Found it myself.
>>118020653
Excuse me Asukafag. I'm going to call you out on not complaing that this guy: >>118019678
generalizes, but somehow I'm generalizing.
Check your bias.
...now, let's get to your post.
>Not the guy you were responding to, but saying that all fans of Asuka do not care about the complete character is a gross generalization.
I believe that is inherent to the sentence, it's not logically possible to account for every Asuka fan, but you can accurately describe the vast majority.
Hence why you have to say that there's only "pockets" of fans opposed to Shikinami:
>You wouldn't have the pockets of fans opposed to Shikinami that being the case.
which I also have an explanation for. They're shippers. 2.0 hurt their shipperfag feelings by not having as much Shinji x Asuka as they had hoped. They didn't like Asuka getting harmed. Post 2.0, there were pockets who hated Shikinami, or at least pretended to hate Shikinami as some form of protest. You can verify with the strong such pocket, Evageeks - where Asukafans didn't like 2.0/Shikinami, but for instance loved that Asuka "passed" on Kaji.
Now the same fans love Shikinami in 3.0, despite it having less character, less characterization, less development and is arguably more warped by giving it strange super-powers and a lesbian follower.
To me that tells me that nearly all Asuka fans even those who professed being against Shikinami initially, only ever wanted to self-insert and fantasize about a moe character in a giant robot franchise.
Which is coincidentally, why Shikinami appears to be Asuka's most popular variation in the franchise history.
>>118020310
Can't fool you, anon.
>>118020894
>Excuse me Asukafag. I'm going to call you out on not complaing that this guy
It wasn't my fight to begin with, I was lurking up until now since I'm posting in a few other threads at the moment.
>To me that tells me that nearly all Asuka fans
Okay so now you changed from "Asuka fans" to "nearly all Asuka fans". That's all I needed to hear.
Was pointing out a small mistake, no more no less.
>>118021207
It's not a mistake. You just don't want to admit you're the same.
>>118020310
>All this Reifag arrogance
Jesus Christ get the fuck over your persecution complex.
>>118021355
If it wasn't a mistake, I don't believe you would've changed the wording. You're welcome to believe whatever you want though.
>>118016015
>>118016543
His favorite is Misato now. He does like Asuka and Kaworu.
>>118021404
>all this asukafag denial
Jesus christ get the fuck over you being called out.
>>118021503
I was messing with you, although I do believe it is implicit that "Asuka fans" can't realistically mean every Asuka fan.
>>118021404
>>118021553
>asukafag
>reifag
pure cancer
>>118021528
>His favorite is Misato now
[Citation needed]
>>118021528
Kaworufags are eternally in denial
>>118021748
You don't need citation, her scenes are the only ones he was upset he had to cut from 2.0, while a lot of Kaworu and Asuka also got axed.
>>118021829
>You don't need citation
OPINION
DISCARDED
>>118021879
>
You are all fucking crazy.
>>118021829
You can't just waltz the fuck in and make claim, get called out for a citation, and then say "you don't need citations". You dumb or something?
Why would Anno be upset at anything with Asuka in 2.0? 2.0 is sucking her giant ego phallus just like 3.0 does, it took Asuka from NGE and turned her into some sort of "wonder girl", non-ironically this time.
Asuka kicks Toji the fuck out, and Asuka gets a lot of screentime. More than Misato too.
Kaworu getting anything axed? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. Nigger had ONE episode in the original, and now he's in from the fucking start. Nothing got axed, it got fucking added.
As for Misato, I can actually see getting mad, because she could use more focus. But that's perfect for 3.0 right? So Anno being the sensible person you imply he is, and the Misato fan you claim he is, would naturally spend 3.0 on developing Misato and adding many scenes that emphasize her character, what was "cut".
then you watch the movie
then you realize the only characters he really cares about are Asuka and Kaworu, and he hates the shit out of Rei and has no qualms abandoning Misato and turning her into a dumb plot device.
>>118022158
see
>>118021828
>>118022158
I don't understand what got you so upset. I'm speaking about 2.0 script which featured more Misato (and Kaji's and Ritsuko's) scenes with Asuka's backstory and Kaworu's scenes but got cut to make it all about Shinji. Tsurumaki complained about Asuka and Anno about losing his Misato scenes. It's in CRC. How does this have to do with the original show at all?
Is Anno a Midorifag because she didn't exist in the original and suddenly she does in Rebuild? Get a grip.
>>118022480
Because you're making bullshit claims without evidence or citations. You need that. Makes me mad when someone thinks they can just say shit then think they don't have to back it up.
Also everything you wrote in your post was bullshit that doesn't at all mean anything to the argument.
>hurrhudru midori ;^)
literally WHO anyway?
Give me a call when that character is portrayed as a time-looping god-thing who appears in all four movies, give me a call when that character is featured front and centre on the movie's poster and she's the focus of the movie.
Maybe when she gets her own EVA and goes to space or something.
maybe when that characters has any lines that isn't just technobabble
>>118022480
are you implying there was supposed to be MORE Kaworu scenes?!
ASJODHASFBHUIDSBGFIDIUABSUIDASIUDGIW;MNX
>>118020689
>The Japanese occupied Hawaii.
yeah cuz that worked out well the first time
>>118022805
>There's a Japanese Empire. In the year 2000, the U.S. and Japan had a war, and Japan occupied Hawaii. Sorry.
>>118022707
Are you retarded? The very evidence are the movies.
>>118016530
he loves Ikuhara
>>118023037
Are you retarded? Here's is what the movie evidences:
>then you realize the only characters he really cares about are Asuka and Kaworu, and he hates the shit out of Rei and has no qualms abandoning Misato and turning her into a dumb plot device.
>>118023103
Knowing Anno, he changed Asuka so much because he probably wasn't satisfied with NGE Asuka. He didn't abandon Misato, for fuck's sake, nigger got a real character development too. She just became a female Gendo, not much to be said. If we are going to talk about plot device, let's start talking about Mari then. The girl just came in so Asuka wouldn't pilot by herself.
>>118023037
1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 combined treats
- Kaworu like a king
- Asuka like a princess
- Misato like a angry space battleship captain ripped from Nadia
- Rei like something he hates
That's the evidence you've got. Don't come here telling anyone Anno somehow likes Misato the most. Not that he doesn't, but he had no issues ignoring the character.
>>118023311
I don't think he hated Rei so much, I mean, he erased her suffering. Just resetted all the bad memories Rei could have, when everyone else is suffering. It gives a good contrast.
>>118023305
>Knowing Anno, he changed Asuka so much because he probably wasn't satisfied with NGE Asuka.
His favorite character? He changed it because he knows NGE Asuka doesn't match up well against other characters.
>He didn't abandon Misato
Looks abandoned to me. Less screentime than Asuka, Rei Q and Kaworu. She turned into a retard just to make Kawoshin. Abandoned.
Mari isn't a plot device any more than the rest, less so even in 3.0 since she's got so little presence.
>>118023447
How can you say Mari is not a plot device when she got little screentime and claim the same about Misato when she got little screentime too?
Although I can understand what you mean; Ritsuko and Misato did so much, had character development yet had little screentime. Although Mari is just about Asuka having someone arround to call her princess and bandwagon. They are both plot devices for different meanings.
I don't mind Asuka changing in the rebuild movies.
I liked her arc in NGE, but it didn't have much potentially to really go anywhere, and there was no need to do a repeat of it.
I do think they may have gone a little overboard on making her awesome. She has very few flaws, and in general is a pretty great person.
Have to wait for 3+1 to see how they handle her, and her interactions with Shinji to see how much she actually changed.
>>118023431
If he breaks the character and makes it look like a turd, then he hates the character. He reset a character's memory and let it live like an unloved doll.
There are only bad memories left, not even the good ones.
That's only if Rei Q somehow IS Rei. But the movie tells you Rei is inside EVA01, and Rei Q is just another retarded clone. So that can't be the case.
Here's what happened:
Anno removed Rei's developing character, killed the "save", and brought in Rei Q.
This tells you that Anno would rather kill off Rei off screen and introduce an equivalent plot device character with the same face, name and voice actor instead of developing Rei's character.
He would rather bring out a SDAT player than Rei from EVA01.
At the same time he's letting people who hate the character go to town with "Rei is a doll" insults and fantasies.
He hates the character. There is no doubt whatsoever.
>>118023665
>How can you say Mari is not a plot device when she got little screentime and claim the same about Misato when she got little screentime too?
Because Mari's character is a static that doesn't have too much effect on the plot.
Misato does, you see. Misato's character was warped into a convenient plot device from what she was in 2.0.
Both plot devices, but Misato is far worse because her being a plot device is terrible. Mari is the new girl, so nothing gained, nothing lost.
>>118023705
>That's only if Rei Q somehow IS Rei. But the movie tells you Rei is inside EVA01, and Rei Q is just another retarded clone. So that can't be the case.
So we can expect some development on Rei on the next movie regarding Rei being inside EVA01. Anno may be conflicting but he wouldn't disappoint Rei fans so much. After all, he likes money, everyone does.
>>118023762
If you keep saying Misato's character was warped, when she got character development, which not everyone did, you should just stick to EoE ending. Do not bother with rebuilds if you don't like seeing your beloved Misato getting older.
>>118023852
He already has disappointed them, and developing Rei Q isn't going to do shit.
>>118023852
>Anno may be conflicting but he wouldn't disappoint Rei fans so much.
Then what do you call 3.0 and Rei Q?
Rei Q has nowhere to develop that matters.
Rei is 14 years out of date with no time to catch up.
In the meantime, Rei Q and the clone thing ruins the character's ability for any sort of insight.
I bet you anything that 3.0+1.0 is only going to ruin Rei evne further, making a joke out of the character.
>>118023904
>If you keep saying Misato's character was warped, when she got character development
Off screen character development is not development. It's basically warping an twisting the character to suit the plot.
>don't like seeing your beloved Misato getting older.
are you fucking kidding me
MISATO DOESNT EVEN LOOK OLDER. Same smooth face, virtually no changes except a goddamned hairstyle change.
Don't get me started on Asuka and Mari either and that retarded curse of eva thing.
>>118016530
I hate the fact that I hate the same things as the Master Autist.
>>118024096
Nigger
Do you even timeskip and how it works?
Also
>100min movie
>asking to be shown what and how they did
gr8 b8 m8
>>118024862
Your post is just nonsense.
>>118024932
Do you want to be spoonfed? Or can't you see what I mean when I say timeskip? Please enhance your interpretation skills.
>>118025001
Making a working argument will be enough, thank you.
Misato did nothing in the rebuilds.
She was basically a complete non entity.
