Can archer mimic tsubame gaeshi?
No but he can teleport behind you and unzip his katana.
It's not an attack inherent to the sword, but the swordsman.
Can Shirou project Tsubasa?
What about Shichika?
>>117770447
I was thinking that too, but then I remember NLBW.
Now I'm not so sure.
Can Archer recreate Rule Breaker?
>>117770648
Shirou did, so yeah.
>>117770353
No.
Archer can't into 2nd magic.
If UBW allows Archer to only create swords, and it completely matches Gates of Babylon in that effect, then why didn't Gil just draw a piano out of his treasures stores and drop it on Archer's head?
>>117770972
Because Gil is fucking stupid
>>117770353
Probably.
More importantly, why has there been no Miyamoto Musashi Servant yet?
The guy completely crushed Koujirou with a boken he made himself when he was 19.
>>117770972
I didn't know they had pianos in Gil's time.
>>117770353
Could archer have been summoned as a saber instead? Would he be stronger as a saber?
>>117770972
>>117770869
Why didn't Archer just Rule Break himself in UBW?
>>117770972
>If UBW allows Archer to only create swords
That's where you're wrong Frodo.
Archer/Shirou can reproduce the skill of the wielder of the weapon to some extent.
Nine Lives Blade Works is an example, but also an example of how the skills are inferior to the real thing.
He could probably use some form of it but it wouldn't be effective. The three slashes have to overlap to really do anything.
>>117771074
Because he wouldn't get mana from anywhere
>>117771029
I don't think he's strong enough to be qualified as a Saber.
>>117771021
Then why not an anvil, or any other ACME product for that matter?
>>117771029
He could, but would probably loose access to GoB.
He would still be strong with his sword, EA, Enkidu and bullshit OP golden armour.
>>117771095
Why didn't he collect sperm from gay bars?
>>117771205
Archer's parameters are too low to be summoned as Saber.
>>117771229
that's an interesting question Mr. Baggins
>>117771271
I think he mean Gil here
>>117771229
>>117771274
Actually, why hasn't any Servant gone and slutted it up? Sure, the rate may not be very high, but it'll add up and it won't make the news, unlike what Caster was doing.
>>117771106
>guy literally made out of swords
>not strong enough to be a proper sword wielder
are you serious?
>>117771229
But he did. How did you think he survived until the final showdown without a Master?
>>117771378
Because they are heroes not prostitutes.Atleast that was the plan. But than you have servants like medea and medusa
>>117771408
He's a maker, not a fighter.
Are the Knights Classes untainted or is it just a coincidence?
>>117771229
If a kiss is enough to transfer mana, why does everyone go straight to fucking instead of just smooching?
>>117770972
what if Archer creates a piano made of swords
>>117771514
What do you mean with tainted?
>>117771558
Can the grial summon gods?
Gil is technically a god and in Kaliedo Loli they have Thor
>>117771694
Only if they're part god, part human. Prisma fucked up since Thor is full god, so he's impossible to summon as a servant.
>>117771694
>Gil is technically a god
Nope he's a 2/3 god.
Cu is 1/2 god
Herakles is 1/2 god but ascended after death
Also
>PRISMA
>>117771694
>Can the grial summon gods?
Short Answer: No.
Long Answer: Technically no, but it can get you the closest thing to the god in question in can find.
The Einzberns tried that during the Third Heaven's Feel, it did not go well.
>>117771558
I can't remember the exact terms, but Medea and Medusa were allowed only because of Angra Manjuu, right?
Just wondering if that only applied outside knight classes.
>>117771757
aint cause they count as anti-heroes?
>>117771021
He pulled a fucking futuristic jet out of his ass, doesn't he have access to prototypes of nobel phantasms along with every single invention mankind has made?
>>117771843
yep
>>117771757
EMYA was also only summonable because of the taint.
>>117771746
>>117771749
>>117771755
dammit, would have been fun to see Zeus summoned as Lancer
>>117771746
Wasn't it some sort of rule with the HGW that only came into effect later?
Anyways, it sucks that they can't summon gods because it really limits what Servants they can use. Practically the entirety of Egyptian mythology is out of the question
>>117771884
>Zeus
>Lancer
>not Archer
Odin would be funny Lancer/Caster dual summon
>>117771857
>doesn't he have access to prototypes of nobel phantasms
more like any NF is a sub product of the treasure gil has
>>117771921
The worst thing Nasu ever came up with.
Especialy since there are famous weapons that only got created by godly smiths long after Gil died
>>117771857
That was an ancient Indian magic flying machine not a jet. Stupid yes but not actually wrong for Gil to be able to use
>>117771907
There are realy more than enough heroes in western mythology
>>117771963
Hindu myths are pretty ridiculous.
>>117771909
>Zeus
>Archer
ok, Poseidon is Lancer
Hades is Assassin
Apolo is Rider
Zeus is Archer
Hares is Berserkers
Era is Caster
I miss a saber
>>117771946
Yeah and the Epic of Gilgamesh was about Gil learning that he doesn't matters
Nasu can't into mythology
>>117770972
Because IG-ALIMA is there and probably wouldn't work.
>>117771989
>>117771907
He can summon Moises as Caster
>>117772053
Why would Moses want the grail?
>>117771989
So many that three in F/SN had to be taken from Greek mythology, of which two were anti-heroes that they had to fuck around with the rules to include.
>>117771907
If Gilgamesh is a Western hero, then Egyptian heroes should be allowed, especially since Greek/Roman occupation did a lot of spreading those legends.
>>117772068
>Why would Moses want the grail?
>40 years on the desert just to be told their wont get to enter the land of honey cause a gold cow
>>117772068
Want to see Holy lando... Eventually don't go on to gods quest and live with his waifu
>>117772162
You are aware that all his power derives from God, right?
>>117772053
Moses is no egyptain hero.
There are enough kings for the sabre or ride class
>>117772206
and?
>>117772009
Isn't Ares a pretty obvious choice for a Saber?
>>117772216
>ride class
they made medusa a fucking Rider
>>117772234
I see thast war junkie more as a berserker
Does Longirus count as Lancer?
Tsubame Gaeshi is a technique used by Fake Assassin uses. It is not a noble phantasm and it does not require a special weapon to use, unlike all the other weapons Archer/Shirou trace. I only read every Fate route one time 3 years ago, so I am probably talking bullshit.
>>117772325
>It is not a noble phantasm and it does not require a special weapon to use, unlike all the other weapons Archer/Shirou trace
Neither is Nine Lives and Shirou can still use it.
>>117772325
Fake Assassin doesn't even have a NF. That's how little they gave a shit about him
>>117772346
you mean the 9 strikes he uses on corrupted berserker?
>>117770353
>Tsubame Gaeshi
I hear Hisaka Yoko saying it in my head when I read it.
>>117771370
Then he should stop being such a fucking secondary and say Gil.
>>117772388
Nine Lives Blade Works is a degraded version of Nine Lives, but he still pulled it off.
>>117772269
>I see thast war junkie more as a berserker
Okay then how about Athena? The Goddess of strategic warfare, law and justice, courage, wisdom and like a dozen other things.
Seems like a good fit for a Saber class.
Or wait... She used a spear right? Crap... Shouldn't be too hard to just swap out her weapon though, right?
>>117772458
Every fucking war-god used spears.
Because spears > swords
>>117772009
>Archer
>Zeus
>Not Artemis
>Hecate isn't Caster
There is no good Saber, though, I'll give you that
>>117772346
Nine Lives is NP though
>Nine Lives [Noble Phantasm]
>"The Shooting Hundred Heads". Heroic Spirit Heracles' most trusted Noble Phantasm.
>>117772515
the closes thing I can think of a saber would be Aquiles, but this is the must useless Heroic spirit
>>117770447
So same as NLBW then/
>>117772521
Nine lives is a skill much Tsubame is. It's why Herca can use it with with many weapons such as bows and swords.
>>117770972
Shirou can also trace blankets.
>>117772644
Nine lives is listed as NP while tsubame is Kojiro Personal skill
What's the appeal of Saber?
She's like Ned Stark with a vagina only not cool. Total killjoy obsessed with her duty./
>>117772568
I doubt Aquiles would be the absolute most useless. I tried thinking of an Incan mythological figure that could be used as a Servant once. The closest I found was this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manco_C%C3%A1pac
He's neither well known enough to be powerful in any regard, nor does he seem to have anything going for him other than that golden staff
>>117772756
copy from the other thread
Cu is more like Ned though.
Only smart enough to not get dragged on the court.
>>117772786
>I doubt Aquiles would be the absolute most useless
>his weak point is the text book name of all weak points
>>117772842
see apocrypha.
>>117772458
athena: literally born through splitting open her father's head, so why not assassin?
also, ares is a coward who joins in when a winning side already emerges. does not recommend.
>>117772786
>Manco
this servant will never be summoned due to reasons
>>117773069
just summon ketzalcoat
>>117772736
That's because Kojiro isn't a proper heroic spirit thus nothing of his is stored in the hall of heroes. They are however essentially the same sort of thing.
>>117773111
But that's a Mayan/Aztec deity, not an Incan hero
>>117773187
im sure there should be a grey area, they fucken summoned medusa
>>117772030
Well, that's wrong.
Epic of Gil was about Gil becoming someone who matters, turning into a smug asshole, stop being a smug asshole, and then realizing that a person isn't as important as his works and the only path to true immortality is through your own deeds.
>>117770353
Asking can Archer use GB or tsubame is pointless. Even if we assuming he can his version is so shit it's not even worth mentioning in any "versus"
What would the 5th holy grail war be like if illya had summoned archer as archer?
>>117773415
Not to mention it's pointless when he can just UBW anyway
>>117773505
depends, who would have summoned a berserker
>>117773555
luvia
Can someone remind me how was teacher able to fucking summon Caster?
>>117773555
isn't Illya the only one capable of controlling berserker that well
>>117773555
If we just switched places and made Rin summon Berserker, she'd be fucking unstoppable. Berserker in the hands of someone who's capable of using both tactics and magic to a competent level would be dangerous as all hell.
>>117771446
He's a faker, not a mighter.
>>117773649
He didn't.
>>117773705
>Rin
>Tactics
>EMIYA
>Good Berserker
>Able to even think
>>117773649
He didn't.
Someone else summoned her, she killed her own master then he found her nearly dead in the rain.
Now fuck off.
>>117770972
Why doesn't he trace a Boeing 747 made out of sword then?
>>117773649
>Can someone remind me how was teacher able to fuck Caster?
FIFY
>>117773763
Granted, Rin was only competent in F/SN because except for Kotomine (and Zouken too, I guess), her competition consisted of nothing but idiots and people who barely even knew what was going on
Had F/SN Rin been a master in Fate/Zero, she would've barely been above Waver or Kariya
>>117773843
power of love
>>117773843
He unzipped his dick and then j-jammed it in.
>>117770353
Archer can trace the experience and skill of a weapon's wielder and there's nothing special about Assassin's sword that would prevent it from being projected, so I don't see why not.
>>117773863
Being barely above Kariya or Waver isn't a compliment. Rin has the tendency to do retarded things (Archer's first command) on impulse, if anything she isn't competnt in Tactics unless someone is there to make sure she goes with it.
>>117773863
>Had F/SN Rin been a master in Fate/Zero, she would've barely been above Waver or Kariya
That still puts her above Wheels and COOL. So, top three isn't too bad. The bigger question is if Tokiomi is a worse master.
>>117773863
4th Grail War: Monster masters, useless servants
5th Grail War: Useless masters, monster servants
Why would he do that if Tri-Wing Connect is the basically the same thing but adapted to his own style?
>>117773999
I know it wasn't a compliment. Like I said, the only reason she was able to get as far as she did in F/SN is because almost everyone else was dumber than her. Still, she would be able to handle Berserker a lot better than Ilya or Kariya because she's capable on her own.
>>117774037
Tokiomi generally can keep a cooler head than his daughter, and I think that goes a longer way than Rin potentially being able to better control her Servant. Tokiomi just got shafted by having the most unruly Servant of them all
>>117774064
3rd Grail war: Alright masters, meh servants.
>people think Rin has a chance in 4th the war
Kerry would have killed her in the first day.
>Gil
>total dick
>swordspam
>archer
>EMIYA
>total dick
>swordspam
>archer
>Zeus
>God of being a dick
>Lightningspam
>archer
It fits the bill
